Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-27 Thread Nori Heikkinen
just in case this hasn't been answered yet ... on Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson insinuated: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 20:47, Erik Steffl wrote: Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: ... of course, you can create various

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:12, David Palmer. wrote: ... Most of our modern knowledge of the Celts comes from the Roman campaigners' reports, in particular Julius Caesar who fought a protracted campaign against the Celts in Britain, as the Celts had an oral history not written. There are Welsh

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-25 Thread Erinn
One time on Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:20:57AM +0100 this person named Pigeon wrote: People who insist on using eg. chairperson instead of chairman or chairwoman, and invent ugly pronouns like hir to do duty for both him and her instead of using the they fudge that everyone else has been happy

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-25 Thread David Palmer.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:00:53 +0100 Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:12, David Palmer. wrote: ... Most of our modern knowledge of the Celts comes from the Roman campaigners' reports, in particular Julius Caesar who fought a protracted campaign against the

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:58, Cam Ellison wrote: * Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: ... - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, does have gender? looks like a lot of unneccessary stuff was removed from english language

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:58, Cam Ellison wrote: * Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: ... - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, does have gender? looks like a lot of unneccessary stuff was removed from english language

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:08:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Here's another one: http://www.nature.com/nsu/030616/030616-15.html 'But the Y chromosomes of the regions tell a different story. The Celts weren't pushed to the fringes of Scotland and Wales; a lot of them remained in England and

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:49:14 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:58, Cam Ellison wrote: * Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: ... - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, does have

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 05:24, Tom wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:08:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Here's another one: http://www.nature.com/nsu/030616/030616-15.html 'But the Y chromosomes of the regions tell a different story. The Celts weren't pushed to the fringes of Scotland and

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Nori Heikkinen
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:10AM +0100, Pigeon insinuated: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered - What is the purpose of gender in grammar/language? Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Erik Steffl
David Palmer. wrote: ... First in were the Gaels (Irish) through Skandinavia, then the Icenii Brythonics (which is where 'Briton' and then 'Britain' came from) and some lesser tribes, such as the Manx. But none of these spoke German, either high, middle or low. Germany as a territory was defined

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Erik Steffl
Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered - What is the purpose of gender in grammar/language? Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come across things like all the words for female genitals

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Erik Steffl
Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:10AM +0100, Pigeon insinuated: ... Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come across things like all the words for female genitals in lots of languages having the masculine gender. Work that one out. yeah, or a fork being feminine,

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:43:17AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Pigeon wrote: Also, what do the advocates of gender-neutral language do in German? And what do they do in French? not sure about those countries but in slovakia (with 'genderic' language) there is no such thing as gender

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread David Jardine
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:56:09AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:10AM +0100, Pigeon insinuated: ... Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come across things like all the words for female genitals in lots of languages having the

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:24, Tom wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:43:17AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Pigeon wrote: [snip] English has a neuter pronoun: one, but it became associated with aristocratic speech and is unpopular. If there's one thing I will never understand, it is New Yorkers

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-24 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:10AM +0100, Pigeon insinuated: Also, what do the advocates of gender-neutral language do in German? And what do they do in French? what do you mean by advocates of gender-neutral languages? people

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-23 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 20:47, Erik Steffl wrote: Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: ... of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in english, the

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-23 Thread Erik Steffl
Ron Johnson wrote: ... Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered - What is the purpose of gender in grammar/language? as far as I can tell there's no purpose (not a linguist but my native language has genders, can't find any reason other then that it has genders:-) - Is it only

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-23 Thread Cam Ellison
* Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: ... - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, does have gender? looks like a lot of unneccessary stuff was removed from english language (last century or two?), as far as I can tell it's because

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-23 Thread Tom
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:58:39PM -0700, Cam Ellison wrote: If you want to know what Anglo-Saxon was like, go to the islands off the coast of Frysia. There's an island called Ocrakoke on the NC Outer Banks with a highly unusual accent: (almost) Elizabethan english mixed with a redneck

Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip])

2003-10-23 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered - What is the purpose of gender in grammar/language? Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come across things like all the words for female genitals in lots of