Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.04.2013 16:12, Richard Owlett a écrit : I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and a set of install disks. What *ONE* document will answer ALL my LILO questions. Hint: man

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and a set of install disks. What *ONE* document will answer ALL my LILO questions. Hint: man

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 20.04.2013 16:12, Richard Owlett a écrit : I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and a set of install disks. What *ONE* document will

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and a set of install disks. What *ONE* document will answer ALL my LILO

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and a set of install disks.

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is a fair approximation) with a computer and

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 20/04/13 16:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a desert isle (SW Missouri is

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 16:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf . Assume I'm stranded on a

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT), Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf. I don't know about complete documentation, but the best lilo tutorial that I know of is http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm I wrote the above-mentioned

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Wayne Topa
On 04/20/2013 12:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 16:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT), Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf. I don't know about complete documentation, but the best lilo tutorial that I know of is http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm I

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Wayne Topa wrote: On 04/20/2013 12:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 16:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 20/04/13 15:12, Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 20 April 2013 17:51:54 Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT), Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf. I don't know about complete documentation, but the best lilo tutorial that I know of is

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread Wayne Topa
On 04/20/2013 02:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 April 2013 17:51:54 Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT), Richard Owlett wrote: I need complete documentation on LILO with emphasis on lilo.conf. I don't know about complete documentation, but the best lilo

Re: LILO documentation

2013-04-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.04.2013 19:58, Richard Owlett a écrit : Wayne Topa wrote: I KNOW. I KNOW ;) But you need to know the right key words. As a matter of fact Mr. Powell had just responded to my post suggesting I read one of his pagers. He beat you by minutes. Thanks. HTH -- Wayne So, may we

Re: lilo - keytable read/checksum error

2013-03-05 Thread consultores
On 03/04/2013 07:24 AM, Camaleón wrote: El Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:46:56 -0300, francisco cid escribió: Francisco, estás enviando los correos con formato html lo cual se recomienda evitar en esta lista por lo que deberías configurar el cliente de correo para usar formato texto. Si no sabes cómo

Re: lilo - keytable read/checksum error

2013-03-04 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:46:56 -0300, francisco cid escribió: Francisco, estás enviando los correos con formato html lo cual se recomienda evitar en esta lista por lo que deberías configurar el cliente de correo para usar formato texto. Si no sabes cómo hacerlo tienes más ayuda sobre el proceso

Re: lilo - keytable read/checksum error

2013-03-02 Thread alexlikerock-Gmail
On 02/03/13 19:05, francisco cid wrote: hola, e estado solucionar este problema todo el dia, intente recuperar el inicio de mi debian con el cd de instalacion en modo recuperacion, intente instalar grub, desinstalar lilo, pero sigue el error, y no me deja hacer nada. uso debian testing amd64

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:31:05 -0400 (EDT), Marc Shapiro wrote: I apologize for not posting this sooner, but this was the first chance that I had to reboot and go into the BIOS Setup. To answer your questions... AMI BIOS v02.54 4/22/2005 Features Setup USB

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:39:54 -0700, Marc wrote in message 4f751cfa.1050...@gmail.com: On 03/27/12 03:59, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:43:45 -0500, Stan wrote in message ..one thing lilo will do, is hop back to the old disk if you make that a menu option. Found that out

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:43:45 -0500, Stan wrote in message 4f704861.1040...@hardwarefreak.com: On 3/25/2012 10:58 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: I should have googled before posting. Aparently lilo is not capable of recognizing USB keyboards, but the BIOS can. All I needed to do was find the

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-29 Thread Marc Shapiro
Stephen, I apologize for not posting this sooner, but this was the first chance that I had to reboot and go into the BIOS Setup. To answer your questions... AMI BIOS v02.54 4/22/2005 Features Setup USB Function For DOSEnabled (Default was Disabled)

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-29 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 03/27/12 03:59, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:43:45 -0500, Stan wrote in message ..one thing lilo will do, is hop back to the old disk if you make that a menu option. Found that out trying to boot /dev/md0 rather than dance between /dev/hd{a,b}0. ;o) Absolutely! I left the

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/25/2012 10:58 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: I should have googled before posting. Aparently lilo is not capable of recognizing USB keyboards, but the BIOS can. All I needed to do was find the right BIOS option. The only tricky part was that this option (in my BIOS) says nothing about

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-26 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:15 -0400 (EDT), Marc Shapiro wrote: I should have googled before posting. Aparently lilo is not capable of recognizing USB keyboards, but the BIOS can. All I needed to do was find the right BIOS option. The only tricky part was that this option (in my BIOS)

Re: Lilo not recognizing keyboard SOLVED)

2012-03-25 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 03/25/12 20:31, Marc Shapiro wrote: I just migrated my / partition to a larger partition on a new disk. I used find piped to cpio which took care of everything except modifications to fstab and lilo.conf and then running lilo. I made those changes, leaving tho old setup in lilo.conf as the

Re: lilo

2010-11-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:45:34 +0100, Frédéric ZULIAN zul...@free.fr wrote: vérifie que: * /vmlinux pointe bien vers le kernel qui est dans boot * le kernel est bien présent dans /boot * qu'il y est en entier lilo setup length exceeds 31 -- Nice guys finish last. -- Leo Durocher

Re: lilo

2010-11-19 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Frédéric ZULIAN a écrit : Bonjour, Distribution : testing noyau : 2.6.32-5-686 portable Acer aspire one J'ai lilo qui me dit : lilo setup length exceeds 31; kernel setup will overide boot loader. Si je reboote j'ai droit à un écran plein de

Re: lilo

2010-11-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:38:06 +0100, Pascal Hambourg pascal.m...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: ... Il ne faudrait pas une option other plutôt que image pour spécifier la partition de boot de Windows ? Si, et utiliser Windows comme label est une mauvaise idée, à moins d'être habitué à switcher d'un

Re: lilo

2010-11-19 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit : Si, et utiliser Windows comme label est une mauvaise idée, à moins d'être habitué à switcher d'un clavier fr à un us... Yapa de touches fléchées sur l'Acer ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour

Re: lilo

2010-11-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:11:00 +0100, Pascal Hambourg pascal.m...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit : Si, et utiliser Windows comme label est une mauvaise idée, à moins d'être habitué à switcher d'un clavier fr à un us... Yapa de touches fléchées sur l'Acer ? Ben tu

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread briand
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:40:04 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I'm also going to need to see the output of the following commands: ls -Al /dev/disk/by-id/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 26 18:12

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread briand
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: Several problems here. S30initramfs, S50symlink_hook, K30initramfs, and K50symlink_hook, though they will still work, I now consider obsolete. S30initramfs and K30initramfs were made obsolete by newer

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:14:29 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: I'm also going to need to see the output of the following commands: ls -Al /dev/disk/by-id/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 26 18:12

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:29:34 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: Several problems here. S30initramfs, S50symlink_hook, K30initramfs, and K50symlink_hook, though they will still work, I now consider obsolete. S30initramfs and

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread briand
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: # Kernel image management overrides # See kernel-img.conf(5) for details do_symlinks = no relative_links = yes do_bootloader = no do_bootfloppy = no do_initrd = yes link_in_boot = yes

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-26 Thread briand
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: I also don't see any zz-lilo hook scripts, which the latest version of lilo would have installed. Reinstall the latest version of lilo. This should also install a file in /etc/initramfs/post-update.d

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-25 Thread briand
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: Before I post all that stuff, let me show you exactly what's happening on boot. I think there is something very strange going on and it may not be lilo. Lin_img0 is : /boot/vmlinuz When I boot using that

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-25 Thread briand
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:17:30 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/24/2010 7:42 PM: right now I'm thinking I've got something misconfigured, but what ?? Running lilo manually should fix whatever's going on and it most certainly isn't. Did

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-25 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:54:12 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: Stephen Powell put forth on 9/24/2010 4:06 PM: Current stock Debian kernels for the amd64 architecture are right on the ragged edge of being too large for lilo to load below the 16M line And the bulk of these ~16MB stock kernels

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-25 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:40:04 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Before I post all that stuff, let me show you exactly what's happening on boot. I think there is something very strange going on and it may not be lilo. Lin_img0 is : /boot/vmlinuz When I boot using that entry I get

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread David Baron
Try reinstalling your kernel, or if you compiled your own, install a recent linux-image-2.6.32.5 from Sid. The postinstall script will point /etc/fstab and lilo.conf to the newer UUID references and then it should play. The postinstall for home-brew kernels does not do this for you, I'm afraid

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread briand
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:57:25 +0200 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: Try reinstalling your kernel, or if you compiled your own, install a recent linux-image-2.6.32.5 from Sid. The postinstall script will point /etc/fstab and lilo.conf to the newer UUID references and then it should play.

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread briand
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:57:25 +0200 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: Try reinstalling your kernel, or if you compiled your own, install a recent linux-image-2.6.32.5 from Sid. The postinstall script will point /etc/fstab and lilo.conf to the newer UUID references and then it should play.

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I deleted one of the older images and when it finished I got this mess: Could not find postrm hook script [lilo-update]. Looked in: '/bin', '/sbin', '/usr/bin', '/usr/sbin' Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d . Purging

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread briand
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I deleted one of the older images and when it finished I got this mess: Could not find postrm hook script [lilo-update]. Looked

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:42:56 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I've run lilo and rebooted multiple times and always get the same result. Interesting. What happens if you specify root=802 as an argument to the boot prompt? right now I'm thinking I've got something misconfigured,

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stephen Powell put forth on 9/24/2010 4:06 PM: Current stock Debian kernels for the amd64 architecture are right on the ragged edge of being too large for lilo to load below the 16M line And the bulk of these ~16MB stock kernels is the initrd, correct? Wow those are huge. I'm so glad I roll

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/24/2010 7:42 PM: right now I'm thinking I've got something misconfigured, but what ?? Running lilo manually should fix whatever's going on and it most certainly isn't. Did you possibly lose your BIOS LBA configuration before the dist-upgrade, and didn't know

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/23/2010 10:50 PM: Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 Device 0x0802: BIOS drive 0x80, 255 heads, 30515 cylinders, 63 sectors. Partition offset: 120583890 sectors. Using Volume ID 5879D4A8 on bios 80 Setup length is 27 sectors. Mapped

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-23 Thread briand
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:20:45 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/23/2010 10:50 PM: Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 Device 0x0802: BIOS drive 0x80, 255 heads, 30515 cylinders, 63 sectors. Partition offset: 120583890

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-23 Thread briand
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:25:56 -0700 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: aaargh. I've never had so much trouble in my entire linux/debian/life. I have had a smooth boot or bootloader upgrade on this computer since I fired it up. other one works good, though. but really, 1/2 _is_ bad. I have NOT had

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/23/2010 11:25 PM: No, that's normal. What had you changed on the system immediately prior to this boot problem occurring? apt-get dist-upgrade, natch. WTF is natch? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: lilo config is busted, need help fixing it

2010-09-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 4c9c2ca9.3020...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote: bri...@aracnet.com put forth on 9/23/2010 11:25 PM: No, that's normal. What had you changed on the system immediately prior to this boot problem occurring? apt-get dist-upgrade, natch. WTF is natch? Shortening of naturally, which

Re: Lilo: fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/hda)

2010-09-03 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: After latest upgrade installation of lilo fails. I am not using raid and have the entry boot=/dev/hda in lilo.conf as specified in the man page. The installation fails with error code 01 which according to the lilo man page

Re: Lilo: fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/hda)

2010-09-03 Thread Thomas H. George
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 12:24:08PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: After latest upgrade installation of lilo fails. I am not using raid and have the entry boot=/dev/hda in lilo.conf as specified in the man page. The

Re: Lilo: fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/hda)

2010-09-03 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 12:24:08PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: After latest upgrade installation of lilo fails. I am not using raid and have the entry

Re: Lilo: fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/hda)

2010-09-03 Thread Thomas H. George
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 03:49:10PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 12:24:08PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT), Thomas H. George wrote: After latest upgrade

Re: Lilo and Squeeze

2010-06-21 Thread Joachim Wiedorn
Hello, At fist: I don't read list 'debian-user'. I am the new developer of lilo. See: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/lilo/ and: http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ There has been a lot of talk about lilo and squeeze on the list lately, but I don't really want to get into that argument. I have

Re: Lilo and Squeeze

2010-06-21 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:56:01 -0400 (EDT), Joachim Wiedorn wrote: At fist: I don't read list 'debian-user'. I am the new developer of lilo. See: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/lilo/ and: http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ Marc Shapiro wrote: There has been a lot of talk about lilo and

Re: Lilo and Squeeze

2010-06-17 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:04:51 -0400 (EDT), Marc Shapiro wrote: My lilo.conf is as follows: # /etc/lilo.conf boot=UUID=5019cd9d-5d2e-4d7c-a6f4-0eccb5144c77 ... Can anyone tell me what is causing this? I have never had problems with lilo, before. It always 'just works'. Marc, lilo does

Re: Lilo and Squeeze

2010-06-17 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:07:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: In particular, there is a section under Customizing the Lenny Environment that specifically explains how to convert from grub-pc to lilo. Oops! That should read convert from grub (version 1) to lilo. You'll have to adapt the

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:23:54 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote: Tom H writes: I meant to say the Lenny repos (although I am curious to see whether [Lilo] will really disappear from the Squeeze repos once Squeeze is released). If it has an RC bug at the time of the release it will be removed.

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:12:06 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: I am still hopeful that lilo will not be dropped from the distribution. I think it would be a mistake, and I believe lilo has many more years of useful life than most people think it does (or should have) at this

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-04 Thread thib
Stephen Powell wrote: Report? What report? That was actually meant to be a quick off-list note about your post in 505609 which I thought deserved at least two nice words. ;-) -t -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:50:46 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: Report? What report? That was actually meant to be a quick off-list note about your post in 505609 which I thought deserved at least two nice words. ;-) Oh, thanks. And sorry. I figured you must have

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-03 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:02:15 -0400 (EDT), Jon Dowland wrote: Just how often is a total restore-from-backup required, I wonder? A total restore from backup could be for one of two purposes: (1) To restore a machine in case of a hard drive failure. Replace the bad drive with a good drive and

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread thib
Stephen Powell wrote: Actually, that is largely a myth. Lilo's only release-critical bug turned out not to be a bug at all. It was this bug that gave rise to the belief that stock kernels were getting too big for lilo to load. But the problem was that a new kernel was installed without lilo

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Tom H put forth on 5/31/2010 1:04 AM: I have gone through various big changes in OSs, WinNT to Win2k, OS9 to OSX (although I was a Sol-Lin admin too so it wasn't as great a shock as for Mac-only admins [1. see OT

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:29:15AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it because

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available at install time? You could then install lilo post-OS-install or through pre-seeding. Not without an active upstream maintainer. That's the critical need now. --

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available at install time? You could then install lilo post-OS-install or through pre-seeding. Not

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available at install time? You could then

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread John Hasler
Tom H writes: I meant to say the Lenny repos (although I am curious to see whether [Lilo] will really disappear from the Squeeze repos once Squeeze is released). If it has an RC bug at the time of the release it will be removed. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On 30/05/2010 14:04, thib wrote: Like any dist upgrade, squeeze will have release notes with upgrade instructions and I'm quite confident everything concerning lilo will be covered. There are probably many upgrade test patterns they'll have to try, that's true, but I would hope the transition

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On 01/06/2010 10:32, Stan Hoeppner wrote: The reason grub2 is being forced upon us all is the need of the desktop users who want a 20MB kitchen sink kernel and initrd that will support any piece of hardware on any machine they throw at it. Many sysadmins don't want or need that, and we're

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On 24/05/2010 23:44, Stan Hoeppner wrote: So it would appear boot loaders in general have a lack of interested/committed developers? Both LILO and GRUB. sarcasm So instead of just LILO, why didn't the Debian team just throw both bootloaders out the window and start over with committed devs?

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On 28/05/2010 17:39, Roger Leigh wrote: One obvious solution not already mentioned is to back up the bootloader *in Linux* as a normal file, so the backup software can then just back it up like any other file. It's a simple enough workaround to the deficiencies in your backup software. dd

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: Don't you think that lilo will

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:14:42 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote: Stephen Powell writes: Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream maintainer for lilo myself. Please do so. However, although the SAPL is written in assembly language, it is written in s390 assembly

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Tom H put forth on 5/31/2010 1:04 AM: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Tom H put forth on 5/28/2010 10:55 PM: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM: For the

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/31/2010 8:57 PM: On Sun, 30 May 2010 03:48:50 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote: My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next dist upgrade is going to hose all my production

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread thib
Stan Hoeppner wrote: LILO isn't broken and it works well enough for may folks such as myself. We should have the option of keeping it, as an installable package, until _we_ feel we need to change to something else. It's as much a philosophical issue as it is a practical one. There is no

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:32:37 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: From a seasoned sysadmin perspective, a vendor forced change away from something as critical as a bootloader, causes immediate push back. In LILO's current state, and given the way I run kernels, I could likely used LILO 22.8 for

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:20:09 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote: In the worst case, people will maintain unofficial packages in unofficial repositories. In fact, I'm not even sure there's still much to maintain with the package.. just keep it around. It's very true, official support is best, but

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel Barclay
Stan Hoeppner wrote: The problem, in and of itself, is booting. Period. There is [no] way to test it but to replace LILO with Grub2 and see if the system boots afterward. I cannot do this on production servers, obviously. Cloning drives to play with on a lab machine would be a good idea,

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread John Hasler
Stephen Powell writes: Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream maintainer for lilo myself. Please do so. However, although the SAPL is written in assembly language, it is written in s390 assembly language, which is totally different from x86 assembly language. I

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 01 iun 10, 10:25:42, Stephen Powell wrote: Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream maintainer for lilo myself. I have worked on boot loaders before, on other platforms. [...] I agree. But I also sympathize with the poor package maintainer who is

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-06-01 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:29:15AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it because the default bootloader doesn't support current (ext4) and future (btrfs) filesystems

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-31 Thread Tom H
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Tom H put forth on 5/28/2010 10:55 PM: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM: For the most part, grub is a vast improvement over

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-31 Thread Stefan Monnier
Maybe, but ext4 support is not really crucial. Simply make /boot ext2. Actually ext3 works fine. Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it because the default bootloader doesn't support current

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 30 May 2010 03:48:50 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote: My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to forcibly convert them to

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/29/2010 9:48 AM: thorough explanation snipped As time goes on, these restrictions are getting more restrictive. And we are looking at alternatives to our existing backup software. But for now, I have to live within these restrictions. Implement VMware ESX and

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote: My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to forcibly convert them to Grub2. Is my instinct correct? Worst case you'll have to pin lilo

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread thib
Stan Hoeppner wrote: My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to forcibly convert them to Grub2. Is my instinct correct? Like any dist upgrade, squeeze will have release notes with

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20100529_223556, Stan Hoeppner wrote: thib put forth on 5/28/2010 9:44 PM: * If yes, should it still be presented as an expert option in d-i? Why not, I guess. If not, should extlinux be extensively tested to be provided as an alternative choice in d-i? I really don't know how

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:55:58PM -0400, Tom H wrote: The reverse argument can be made too. Both grub1 and grub2 just work. I accept this argument for grub1. Yes, I never had problems with grub1, but grub2 is simply not ready for prime time. While grub2 works for simple workstations, it

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-05-30 18:29 +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:55:58PM -0400, Tom H wrote: The reverse argument can be made too. Both grub1 and grub2 just work. I accept this argument for grub1. Yes, I never had problems with grub1, but grub2 is simply not ready for prime time.

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Paul E Condon put forth on 5/30/2010 10:37 AM: On 20100529_223556, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I'm far more concerned at this point with distribution upgrades than new installs. snip My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next dist upgrade is going to hose all

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-30 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 07:11:19PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: The main problem with grub1 is the same as with lilo: there is no upstream maintainer, and crucial parts of the code are undocumented and not understandable¹. But at least grub1 is working in a wider field than grub2. And lilo is

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