On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:23:54 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote:
Tom H writes:
I meant to say the Lenny repos (although I am curious to see whether
[Lilo] will really disappear from the Squeeze repos once Squeeze is
released).
If it has an RC bug at the time of the release it will be removed.
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:12:06 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
I am still hopeful that lilo will not be dropped from the distribution.
I think it would be a mistake, and I believe lilo has many more years
of useful life than most people think it does (or should have) at this
Stephen Powell wrote:
Report? What report?
That was actually meant to be a quick off-list note about your post in
505609 which I thought deserved at least two nice words. ;-)
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:50:46 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
Report? What report?
That was actually meant to be a quick off-list note about your post in
505609 which I thought deserved at least two nice words. ;-)
Oh, thanks. And sorry. I figured you must have
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:02:15 -0400 (EDT), Jon Dowland wrote:
Just how often is a total restore-from-backup required, I wonder?
A total restore from backup could be for one of two purposes:
(1) To restore a machine in case of a hard drive failure. Replace
the bad drive with a good drive and
Stephen Powell wrote:
Actually, that is largely a myth. Lilo's only release-critical bug turned
out not to be a bug at all. It was this bug that gave rise to the belief
that stock kernels were getting too big for lilo to load. But the problem
was that a new kernel was installed without lilo
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Tom H put forth on 5/31/2010 1:04 AM:
I have gone through various big changes in OSs, WinNT to Win2k, OS9 to
OSX (although I was a Sol-Lin admin too so it wasn't as great a shock
as for Mac-only admins [1. see OT
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Stephan Seitz
stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:29:15AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or
advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it
because
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available
at install time? You could then install lilo post-OS-install or
through pre-seeding.
Not without an active upstream maintainer. That's the critical need now.
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available
at install time? You could then install lilo post-OS-install or
through pre-seeding.
Not
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available
at install time? You could then
Tom H writes:
I meant to say the Lenny repos (although I am curious to see whether
[Lilo] will really disappear from the Squeeze repos once Squeeze is
released).
If it has an RC bug at the time of the release it will be removed.
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On 30/05/2010 14:04, thib wrote:
Like any dist upgrade, squeeze will have release notes with upgrade
instructions and I'm quite confident everything concerning lilo will
be covered. There are probably many upgrade test patterns they'll
have to try, that's true, but I would hope the transition
On 01/06/2010 10:32, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The reason grub2 is being forced upon us all is the need of the desktop
users who want a 20MB kitchen sink kernel and initrd that will support any
piece of hardware on any machine they throw at it. Many sysadmins don't want
or need that, and we're
On 24/05/2010 23:44, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
So it would appear boot loaders in general have a lack of interested/committed
developers? Both LILO and GRUB.
sarcasm So instead of just LILO, why didn't the Debian team just throw both
bootloaders out the window and start over with committed devs?
On 28/05/2010 17:39, Roger Leigh wrote:
One obvious solution not already mentioned is to back up the bootloader
*in Linux* as a normal file, so the backup software can then just back
it up like any other file. It's a simple enough workaround to the
deficiencies in your backup software.
dd
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
Don't you think that lilo will
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:14:42 -0400 (EDT), John Hasler wrote:
Stephen Powell writes:
Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream
maintainer for lilo myself.
Please do so.
However, although the SAPL is written in assembly language, it is
written in s390 assembly
Tom H put forth on 5/31/2010 1:04 AM:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
Tom H put forth on 5/28/2010 10:55 PM:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM:
For the
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/31/2010 8:57 PM:
On Sun, 30 May 2010 03:48:50 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the
next
dist upgrade is going to hose all my production
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
LILO isn't broken and it works well enough for may folks such as myself. We
should have the option of keeping it, as an installable package, until _we_
feel we need to change to something else. It's as much a philosophical issue
as it is a practical one. There is no
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:32:37 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
From a seasoned sysadmin perspective, a vendor forced change away from
something as critical as a bootloader, causes immediate push back. In LILO's
current state, and given the way I run kernels, I could likely used LILO 22.8
for
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:20:09 -0400 (EDT), thib wrote:
In the worst case, people will maintain unofficial packages in unofficial
repositories. In fact, I'm not even sure there's still much to maintain
with the package.. just keep it around.
It's very true, official support is best, but
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The
problem, in and of itself, is booting. Period. There is [no] way to test it
but to replace LILO with Grub2 and see if the system boots afterward. I
cannot do this on production servers, obviously. Cloning drives to play with
on a lab machine would be a good idea,
Stephen Powell writes:
Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream
maintainer for lilo myself.
Please do so.
However, although the SAPL is written in assembly language, it is
written in s390 assembly language, which is totally different from x86
assembly language. I
On Ma, 01 iun 10, 10:25:42, Stephen Powell wrote:
Actually, I've been tempted to volunteer to become the upstream maintainer
for lilo myself. I have worked on boot loaders before, on other platforms.
[...]
I agree. But I also sympathize with the poor package maintainer who is
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:29:15AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or
advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it
because the default bootloader doesn't support current (ext4) and future
(btrfs) filesystems
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Tom H put forth on 5/28/2010 10:55 PM:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM:
For the most part, grub is a vast
improvement over
Maybe, but ext4 support is not really crucial. Simply make /boot ext2.
Actually ext3 works fine.
Having /boot on a separate partition for robustness, security or
advanced features (encrypted LVM and stuff) is one thing, but having it
because the default bootloader doesn't support current
On Sun, 30 May 2010 03:48:50 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the
next
dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to
forcibly convert them to
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/29/2010 9:48 AM:
thorough explanation snipped
As time goes on, these restrictions are getting more restrictive.
And we are looking at alternatives to our existing backup software.
But for now, I have to live within these restrictions.
Implement VMware ESX and
On Sat,29.May.10, 22:35:56, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next
dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to
forcibly convert them to Grub2. Is my instinct correct?
Worst case you'll have to pin lilo
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the next
dist upgrade is going to hose all my production servers whilst trying to
forcibly convert them to Grub2. Is my instinct correct?
Like any dist upgrade, squeeze will have release notes with
On 20100529_223556, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
thib put forth on 5/28/2010 9:44 PM:
* If yes, should it still be presented as an expert option in d-i?
Why not, I guess. If not, should extlinux be extensively tested to be
provided as an alternative choice in d-i? I really don't know how
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:55:58PM -0400, Tom H wrote:
The reverse argument can be made too. Both grub1 and grub2 just work.
I accept this argument for grub1. Yes, I never had problems with grub1,
but grub2 is simply not ready for prime time.
While grub2 works for simple workstations, it
On 2010-05-30 18:29 +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:55:58PM -0400, Tom H wrote:
The reverse argument can be made too. Both grub1 and grub2 just work.
I accept this argument for grub1. Yes, I never had problems with
grub1, but grub2 is simply not ready for prime time.
Paul E Condon put forth on 5/30/2010 10:37 AM:
On 20100529_223556, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I'm far more concerned at this point with distribution upgrades than new
installs. snip
My gut instinct is that due to the above reasons and possibly others, the
next
dist upgrade is going to hose all
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 07:11:19PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
The main problem with grub1 is the same as with lilo: there is no
upstream maintainer, and crucial parts of the code are undocumented
and not understandable¹.
But at least grub1 is working in a wider field than grub2. And lilo is
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Stephan Seitz
stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net stse%2bdeb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
I would say, the default bootloader should be grub1, expert installation
can offer grub2 as well. Lilo should be in the distribution as well, so
people can switch after
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 03:02:23PM -0700, Mark wrote:
I just booted to Lenny, changed the default=0 value to
default=3 in /boot/grub/menu.lst so it now boots to XP by default. My
limited experience with grub2 in Squeeze didn't appear to have this ability,
so what would I have done
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Brian Marshall bm...@sdf.lonestar.orgwrote:
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 03:02:23PM -0700, Mark wrote:
I just booted to Lenny, changed the default=0 value to
default=3 in /boot/grub/menu.lst so it now boots to XP by default. My
limited experience with
On Sun,30.May.10, 22:50:44, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 07:11:19PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
The main problem with grub1 is the same as with lilo: there is no
upstream maintainer, and crucial parts of the code are undocumented
and not understandable¹.
But at least grub1 is
On Fri, 28 May 2010 21:26:01 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/28/2010 9:45 AM:
The problem can be circumvented by taking an image backup
instead of a logical backup, but that gets into special backup
requirements.
Can you mix and match? Does the image backup
* Stephen Powell (zlinux...@wowway.com) [100523 21:21]:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
lilo can reliably
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
thib put forth on 5/28/2010 9:44 PM:
* If yes, should it still be presented as an expert option in d-i?
Why not, I guess. If not, should extlinux be extensively tested to be
provided as an alternative choice in d-i? I really don't know how much
work would be needed for this.
I'm far
Tom H put forth on 5/28/2010 10:55 PM:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM:
For the most part, grub is a vast
improvement over LILO, and except for the odd corner cases which
grub doesn't cover,
In what
For yet another view on this, Grub2 is pants. I see no good reason to
eliminate both lilo and GRUB at the same time. Eliminate lilo or GRUB
but not both, and let the user choose to use Grub2 or the older method.
When Grub2 matures some more, move to it, but it's not ready yet to
take on the
On Sunday 30 May 2010 05:40:21 Mark Allums wrote:
For yet another view on this, Grub2 is pants. I see no good reason to
eliminate both lilo and GRUB at the same time. Eliminate lilo or GRUB
but not both, and let the user choose to use Grub2 or the older method.
When Grub2 matures some
On 2010-05-23, William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
lilo can reliably determine the payload size.
Could you explain what this boundary
2010/5/23 bri...@aracnet.com:
Furthermore asking people to test it is not exactly a minor request.
When it doesn't work you get to break out the rescue disk and go
through some relatively painful work to recover. I know, because I had
to do it.
Make it less painful: keep your old menu.lst
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
No software is entirely without cost ...
volunteers work on whatever they like ...
your specific requirements may differ from their goals ...
volunteers are rarely concerned with market share ...
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 04:34:06PM +0200, Frank Van Damme wrote:
I for one would really appreciate it if the lilo maintainer could write
just a little bit about the scope of work required to fix it (to this
list). It would be a real shame if lilo goes away.
Is it, by the way, true that
Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 10:45 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
Unfortunately, logical backups of a Linux machine using the extlinux
boot loader do not work with our backup/restore software. The master boot
record and partition boot sector are restored correctly, but
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 06:11:20PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 10:45 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
Unfortunately, logical backups of a Linux machine using the extlinux
boot loader do not work with our backup/restore software. The master boot
record and
From now on I will post on this thread only to debian-user, since
it appears that the debian-devel and debian-boot lists are tired
of hearing about it.
On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT), Roger Leigh wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 06:11:20PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
On Fri, May 28,
Stephen Powell put forth on 5/28/2010 9:45 AM:
The problem can be circumvented by taking an image backup
instead of a logical backup, but that gets into special backup
requirements.
Can you mix and match? Does the image backup grab the entire disk or does it
work at the partition level? Can
Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM:
For the most part, grub is a vast
improvement over LILO, and except for the odd corner cases which
grub doesn't cover,
In what way is it a vast improvement over LILO? I've never had a problem with
LILO. It's always just worked, which is what a
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
In what way is it a vast improvement over LILO? I've never had a problem with
LILO. It's always just worked, which is what a bootloader should do. So
how exactly would grub be a better choice for me?
Nobody should be arguing that it's a better choice for someone who
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Roger Leigh put forth on 5/28/2010 11:39 AM:
For the most part, grub is a vast
improvement over LILO, and except for the odd corner cases which
grub doesn't cover,
In what way is it a vast improvement over LILO?
In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
But like lilo it stays out of unallocated (and therefore not backed up)
sectors. The boot block of extlinux is installed in the boot sector
of a partition, and the second stage loader occupies a file within the
Stefan Monnier, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:58:14 -0400, a écrit :
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo.
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside
of the master boot record (cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other
words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
Samuel Thibault wrote:
[snip]
Grub1 could because it was small enough to fit in a well-known usable
area in the ext2fs filesystem, but grub2 can not any more.
In the filesystem, you're sure? I'm curious, what part?
[snip]
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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
In article enjn8-64s...@gated-at.bofh.it,
Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
which only LILO can do, I recommend you
2010/5/26 Joachim Wiedorn ad_deb...@joonet.de:
Harald Braumann ha...@unheit.net wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
On other systems it often
2010/5/26 thib t...@stammed.net:
consul tores wrote:
We have lost the posibility to install from disquette, we have to add
an initrd, SElinux have been added by default because of Linus, Linus
kernels define what to do, and ad infinitum.
Linux is still extremely tweakable, and you are free
If, we consider that the environment has changed; we have Red Hut,
Ubuntu and Suse; pushing to include every thing into the kernel, what
is the best for them, then we have a huge kernel; which is not the
best for older ordenators, but it is the best for newer boxes. As we
can see, Linus is
Daniel Baumann dan...@debian.org writes:
as of current git, you can now use EXTLINUX_UPDATE=false in
/etc/default/extlinux to prevent having update-extlinux do anything.
That's the single feature I misseded. Thanks.
Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some
fixed
Bjørn Mork, le Wed 26 May 2010 10:45:49 +0200, a écrit :
Just comparing http://git.kernel.org/?p=boot/syslinux/syslinux.git with
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ should IMHO give more
than enough information to choose extlinux over grub2
I don't understand what you mean here.
consul tores wrote:
Could you say why?
I misunderstood you, or simply wasn't aware of the terminology, sorry. I
mistakenly thought you were suggesting the creation of an entirely new
Debian kernel.
We have lost the posibility to install from disquette, we have to add
an initrd, SElinux
On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:04 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
...
That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
be copied into these directories which are
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
sector 2 and possibly subsequent sectors on cylinder 0 head 0.
Really?
Stefan Monnier wrote:
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
sector 2 and possibly subsequent sectors on cylinder
On Wednesday 26 May 2010 13:23:44 Stefan Monnier wrote:
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head
0, sector 2 and
On Wednesday 26 May 2010 14:23:58 thib wrote:
I think
administrators should really consider GPT for their new setups now; it
has definitely more advantages than just allowing for big partitions,
and it's darn simple (not sure how anybody could defend the I stick to
what I know point here).
Stefan Monnier, le Wed 26 May 2010 14:23:44 -0400, a écrit :
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
sector
On Thursday 27 May 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Because the question is where?. The lilo approach is inside the
filesystem, which can break. The grub approach is right after MBR,
which needs room there.
grub (legacy) can be installed in any partition. IIUC grub2 is limited to
being installed
Frans Pop, le Thu 27 May 2010 01:32:17 +0200, a écrit :
On Thursday 27 May 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Because the question is where?. The lilo approach is inside the
filesystem, which can break. The grub approach is right after MBR,
which needs room there.
grub (legacy) can be
Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
In article enjn8-64s...@gated-at.bofh.it,
Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
Syslinux and the
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
(4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org :
This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no
active upstream and that the Debian lilo package carries many patches
for bug fixes that are alleviated by
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
Well, I tried extlinux last
On Tue, 25 May 2010 07:08:20 -0400 (EDT), Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org wrote:
This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no
active upstream and that the Debian
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in
Harald Braumann ha...@unheit.net wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
On other systems it often breaks miserably. Updates leave my system
Joachim Wiedorn put forth on 5/25/2010 2:37 PM:
Because I still use LiLO for all my systems, I could support the
maintaining of LiLO.
Same here. The last thing I need is for my next distribution upgrade to try
to forcibly remove LILO and the current MBR, and then install Grub2, bricking
my
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
... I installed the mbr package ...
The extlinux package itself also contains an mbr.bin, which you can use
(it's strong point is probably EBIOS support).
So it does. Well, I've now installed extlinux'
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
be copied into these directories which are marked executable, and
my hand-made configuration file will get wiped
consul tores wrote:
Again, and again; Debian depends of Linus Torvals; maybe it is time to
seriously think about Debian kernels!
Madness.
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Again, and again; Debian depends of Linus Torvals; maybe it is time to
seriously think about Debian kernels!
http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
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2010/5/25 thib t...@stammed.net:
consul tores wrote:
Again, and again; Debian depends of Linus Torvals; maybe it is time to
seriously think about Debian kernels!
Madness.
-t
Could you say why?
We have lost the posibility to install from disquette, we have to add
an initrd, SElinux have
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
There should
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
software that my employer uses. This backup software backs up the
master boot record and all partitions; but
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
software that my employer uses. This backup
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a partition. If I'm wrong about
that, someone please correct me.
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...]
You may want to try extlinux, it works
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT), Edward Allcutt wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, lilo is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master
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