Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-03-07 18:25:54 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Obviously it depends who you ask. The kernel side doesn't consider > itself to blame because they do expose a "stable" API which Nvidia > could use. But note that the Xorg API is not stable. The 340 branch can no longer be used at least

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-09 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 8 Mar 2022 at 22:47, Richmond wrote: > Now that I have it working I fear to change it. And this is exactly my modus operandum. Once I get a system to a stable productive working state, I leave it alone (except for security issues). -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Richmond
didier gaumet writes: > Le mardi 08 mars 2022 à 12:12 +, Richmond a écrit : > [...] >> I don't know if there are >> any distributions other than debian which still support kernel 4. > > A RHEL 8 clone (Almalinux, Rocky Linux...) should do: kernel is blocked > to 4.18 until EOL in 2029 (end

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread duh
On 3/8/22 5:05 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:46:35AM +0100, Hans wrote: No, of course not. It's you to blame, for upgrading your system. Hilarious!!! (Please bear with me for a moment because it is actually tragic, but ...) Why might it be hilarious?. Well,

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 08.03.2022 14:40, Hans wrote: Am Dienstag, 8. März 2022, 00:07:05 CET schrieb Alexander V. Makartsev: Yes, I am sure, no other version is working. It is GeForce G210 and GeForce G86m, both NEED 340xx. In that case, I've never actually tried to do it, but since Debian support for 340xx

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread didier gaumet
Le mardi 08 mars 2022 à 12:12 +, Richmond a écrit : [...] > I don't know if there are > any distributions other than debian which still support kernel 4. A RHEL 8 clone (Almalinux, Rocky Linux...) should do: kernel is blocked to 4.18 until EOL in 2029 (end of full support may 2024, other

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Richmond
Hans writes: > Dear list, > > how find the correct words, without being upset or stepping on > someones feet. But I believe, debian hates Nvidia, and debian does > not want, to use Nvidia. > > I am now for a long time using debian and also using nvidia graphic > cards for almost the same long

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 06:25:54AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > (Sorry for the irony, but see, if NVIDIA's sources reference parts of > > the kernel headers which aren't guaranteed to stay stable, well...) > There is also the problem that NVidia has no incentive

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Dan Ritter
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:46:35AM +0100, Hans wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 8. März 2022, 00:25:54 CET schrieb Stefan Monnier: > > No, you are completzely wrong! It is not Nvidia to blam,e when COMPILING > > fails! [...] > > No, of course not. It's you to blame, for

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:46:35AM +0100, Hans wrote: > Am Dienstag, 8. März 2022, 00:25:54 CET schrieb Stefan Monnier: > No, you are completzely wrong! It is not Nvidia to blam,e when COMPILING > fails! [...] No, of course not. It's you to blame, for upgrading your system. Just stay with your

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 8. März 2022, 00:25:54 CET schrieb Stefan Monnier: No, you are completzely wrong! It is not Nvidia to blam,e when COMPILING fails! It is NOT Nvidia to blame, when the packages are REMOVED from the repo, because your KERNEL breaks the compiling! And it is NOT Nvidia to blame, when

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-08 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 8. März 2022, 00:07:05 CET schrieb Alexander V. Makartsev: Yes, I am sure, no other version is working. It is GeForce G210 and GeForce G86m, both NEED 340xx. Best Hans > On 07.03.2022 23:49, Hans wrote: > > Dear list, > > > > how find the correct words, without being upset or

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-07 Thread Felix Miata
Stefan Monnier composed on 2022-03-07 18:25 (UTC-0500): > I've heard several reports that Nouveau installations can > be impacted by the installation of the proprietary Nvidia driver. I believe this happens due to incomplete purging of all effects of having attempted to install, or succeeding to

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-07 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 07.03.2022 23:49, Hans wrote: Dear list, how find the correct words, without being upset or stepping on someones feet. But I believe, debian hates Nvidia, and debian does not want, to use Nvidia. I am now for a long time using debian and also using nvidia graphic cards for almost the same

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-07 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 7. März 2022, 20:46:40 CET schrieb Christian Britz: Hi Christian, I feel to answer your post and have to correct some of your essays. > Hello Hans, > > I understand your frustration, I was also frustrated sometimes back when > I used nVidia, but IMO Debian is not to blame here, the

Re: linux kernel and nvidia - never ending story

2022-03-07 Thread Christian Britz
Hello Hans, I understand your frustration, I was also frustrated sometimes back when I used nVidia, but IMO Debian is not to blame here, the situation is completely the responsibility of nVidia. 0. After reading your post again, I realize that sections 1 to 4 of my reply do not really apply to