Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Moritz Moeller-Herrmann
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:58:21AM +0200, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote: There are still uses for NS4. I know of a proprietary java app, that works only with Java-1.1 and thus only with NS4 or IE. This is needed to access

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi, Am So, 2003-09-07 um 23.44 schrieb Colin Watson: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:46:02PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: You probably don't even get security fixes fo NS 4 anymore! Uninteresting, since one would use NS4 only with the

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am Mo, 2003-09-08 um 02.12 schrieb Roberto Sanchez: How else would they ID a browser? The site I have personally had problems with (I've posted about it here a few times already) apparently identifies the browser with some really slick trick, since it goes out as hidden data in the POST for

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Jean-Michel besnard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:00:28PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Hi, Am So, 2003-09-07 um 23.44 schrieb Colin Watson: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:46:02PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: You probably don't even get security

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:00:28PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 23.44 schrieb Colin Watson: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:46:02PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: You probably don't even get security fixes fo NS 4

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2003-09-09T19:00:28Z, Joerg Rossdeutscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whoa, sure it's interesting. Consider a man-in-the-middle SSL attack: now somebody else owns everything you have. I always thought with a SSL-connection the man in the middle just gets useless binary trash? Am I wrong?

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 12:29:34PM -0700, Jean-Michel besnard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:00:28PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 23.44 schrieb Colin Watson: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:46:02PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So,

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Travis Crump
Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am Mo, 2003-09-08 um 02.12 schrieb Roberto Sanchez: How else would they ID a browser? The site I have personally had problems with (I've posted about it here a few times already) apparently identifies the browser with some really slick trick, since it goes out as

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:26:23 +0200, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:58:21AM +0200, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote: There are still uses for

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-08 Thread Moritz Moeller-Herrmann
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:09:46PM +0200, Alexander Mikhailian wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing? Netscape 4 is dead. Move on already!

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:58:21AM +0200, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote: There are still uses for NS4. I know of a proprietary java app, that works only with Java-1.1 and thus only with NS4 or IE. This is needed to access a law database at my

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-08 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 23:55, Jerry Quinn wrote: Joerg Rossdeutscher writes: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: On Son, 2003-09-07 at 21:05, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: A lot of banks here in germany allow online banking for linux only with netscape 4.

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:48:02 +0200, Christophe Courtois [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I thought one of the points of open source [Ok, it is not open source, but free] was that a project was never dead, and that you upgrade when YOU want. Netscsape is not free software. So, why not NS

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-08 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: A lot of banks here in germany allow online banking for linux only with netscape 4. I've never seen one. Mine. :-) Mine too. Check out www.usalliance.org Then spoof the user-agent string. 'Tis child's play.

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Alexander Mikhailian wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing? Well, first I ask myself: Why would anyone use Netscape 4? Numbers have arrived at 7.1 and there is Mozilla as a

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:09:46PM +0200, Alexander Mikhailian wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing? Netscape 4 is dead.

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 7 Septembre 2003 17:51, Stefan Waidele jun. a déclamé : Well, first I ask myself: Why would anyone use Netscape 4? For some people who are used to it and won't change For some badly coded enterprise websites... Numbers have arrived at 7.1 and there is Mozilla as a free

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:48:02PM +0200, Christophe Courtois wrote: I thought one of the points of open source [Ok, it is not open source, but free] was that a project was never dead, and that you upgrade when YOU want. Netscape isn't open-source, and isn't free. It was never in Debian,

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:48:02 +0200, Christophe Courtois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le Dimanche 7 Septembre 2003 17:51, Stefan Waidele jun. a déclamé : Well, first I ask myself: Why would anyone use Netscape 4? For some people who are used to it and won't change

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:48:02PM +0200, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 7 Septembre 2003 17:51, Stefan Waidele jun. a d?clam? : Well, first I ask myself: Why would anyone use Netscape 4? For some people who are used to it and won't change For some badly coded enterprise

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 02:41:46PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: The number of websites that work in mozilla but fail in netscape 4 is about 10 to 1 in my experience. I haven't really seen any pages that work in netscape 4 but not in mozilla, but

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi, Am So, 2003-09-07 um 19.34 schrieb Paul Johnson: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:09:46PM +0200, Alexander Mikhailian wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing?

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Son, 2003-09-07 at 21:05, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: A lot of banks here in germany allow online banking for linux only with netscape 4. I've never seen one. If it happened to me, I'd take my business elsewhere and made sure they know why. You probably don't even get security fixes fo NS 4

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: For some people who are used to it and won't change For some badly coded enterprise websites... The number of websites that work in mozilla but fail in netscape 4 is about 10 to 1 in my experience. I haven't really seen any pages that

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: On Son, 2003-09-07 at 21:05, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: A lot of banks here in germany allow online banking for linux only with netscape 4. I've never seen one. Mine. :-) Gnucash would run also, so I don't blame them. But I don't like

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread John Hasler
Roberto writes: I can see that, but I was under the impression that Netscape Communications actually released all the source code under the NPL. Is this wrong? Did they only release part of it? They released all of the parts that they wrote. Unfortunately, they used some proprietary

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Arnt Karlsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:48:02 +0200, Christophe Courtois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le Dimanche 7 Septembre 2003 17:51, Stefan Waidele jun. a déclamé : Well, first I ask myself: Why would anyone use Netscape 4?

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Son, 2003-09-07 at 21:46, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Mine. :-) Hm, where I live in D there's no shortage of banks to choose from. I need only personal stuff though, and obviously don't know you needs :) May I ask which braindead bank this is, so I can avoid them? Uninteresting, since one

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Michael D Schleif
Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:09:07:21:39:59+0200] scribed: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: For some people who are used to it and won't change For some badly coded enterprise websites... The number of websites that work in mozilla but fail in netscape 4

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I do *not* have this problem bringing up that URL under both: Konqueror v3.1.3 Mozilla v1.4-3 Of course, I do not have a logon, so I cannot test main program functionality; but, I successfully browsed to FAQ, About, Contact Us,

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi?: They can always run lynx or dillo :) Not if they want frames and SSL (at least as far lynx goes, I don't know about dillo). Try w3m, which does both. (Hit shift-F to render

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:46:02PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: You probably don't even get security fixes fo NS 4 anymore! Uninteresting, since one would use NS4 only with the bank's site. They don't need to hack me. They own

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:09:46PM +0200, Alexander Mikhailian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing? Noteing without repeating that NS 4 is

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi?: Try https://mypay.dfas.mil/ , where I access my payroll info. From *nix it _only_ works in Netscape 4.x. I have gone around and around for some time on

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:47:31PM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: IIRC lynx has rudimentary frames support. lynx-ssl supports SSL. lynx is sort of last resort. You want elinks or elinks-ssl. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Some browsers (Konqueror, Opera) allow specifying an arbitrary user-agent string, including several preconfigured strings to impersonate other browsers. This works for the vast majority of sites whose designers are stupid

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:47:31 +0100, Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi?: Try https://mypay.dfas.mil/ , where I access my

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Daniel B.
Bijan Soleymani wrote: .. The number of websites that work in mozilla but fail in netscape 4 is about 10 to 1 ... Huh? The number of websites that work in Mozilla but fail in Netscape 4 is one measurement. What's the other one? (You need two things to be able to say there's a 10-to-1 ratio

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Daniel B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Bijan Soleymani wrote: .. The number of websites that work in mozilla but fail in netscape 4 is about 10 to 1 ... Huh? The number of websites that work in Mozilla but fail in Netscape 4 is one measurement. What's the other one? (You need

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Russell Shaw
Alexander Mikhailian wrote: I recently upgraded to testing and found out that netscape 4 is missing in the list of packages. Where can I get a working version of netscape 4 for testing? Netscape is based on mozilla, so install that instead. Mozilla has options to stop pop-up ads, but netscape has

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Jose Mirles
On Sunday 07 September 2003 06:47 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi?: Try https://mypay.dfas.mil/ , where I access my payroll info. From *nix it _only_ works in

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Jose Mirles [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Sunday 07 September 2003 06:47 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: --- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi?: Try https://mypay.dfas.mil/ , where I

Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?

2003-09-07 Thread Jerry Quinn
Joerg Rossdeutscher writes: Am So, 2003-09-07 um 21.11 schrieb Mario Vukelic: On Son, 2003-09-07 at 21:05, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: A lot of banks here in germany allow online banking for linux only with netscape 4. I've never seen one. Mine. :-) Mine too. Check