Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-03-04 Thread Erik Steffl
Mariusz Zielinski wrote: > > Erik Steffl wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [...] > > > > want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. > > > > why? you can create filesystems and mount/unmount disks (partitions) > > without rebooting... > > When you are using

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-03-04 Thread Mariusz Zielinski
Erik Steffl wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > > want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. > > why? you can create filesystems and mount/unmount disks (partitions) > without rebooting... When you are using reiserfs you have to :( http://www.namesys.com/

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-03-02 Thread kmself
on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:27:55AM -0800, Nate Amsden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > SamBozo Debian User wrote: > > > > Hello to the group, > > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of > > rebooting just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of > > the cli entr

Re: WYSIWYG editor (Prev. Rebooting is foolish)

2001-02-20 Thread Keith G. Murphy
William Leese wrote: > > On Monday 19 February 2001 16:45, Keith G. Murphy wrote: > > > Actually, I don't understand the part about "if i had a server". > > If > > you've got a Linux box, you can run Apache and any one of several DB's > > on it, and test out your pages locally. > > replace that

Re: WYSIWYG editor (Prev. Rebooting is foolish)

2001-02-20 Thread John Foster
William Leese wrote: > > On Monday 19 February 2001 16:45, Keith G. Murphy wrote: > > > urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any > > > suggestions anyone? > > > > > > it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated > > > code) that handles nested table

Re: WYSIWYG editor (Prev. Rebooting is foolish)

2001-02-19 Thread William Leese
On Monday 19 February 2001 16:45, Keith G. Murphy wrote: > > urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any > > suggestions anyone? > > > > it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated > > code) that handles nested tables well.. and yes i know they shouldn

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Erik Steffl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the hostname and there's no need to reboot in this case. > want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. why? you can create filesystems and mount/unmount disks (partitions) wit

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Keith G. Murphy
William Leese wrote: > > > heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob > with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm > guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as > someone already said installing a new kernel..

Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Richard Taylor
> From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> >Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of course -yet >> >anyways. >> >> That depends on whether you hand write your code or let a >> wysiwyg editor approximate it for you. >> >> Most pros will

Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Steve
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Richard Taylor wrote: > > >Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of course -yet > >anyways. > > That depends on whether you hand write your code or let a > wysiwyg editor approximate it for you. > > Most pros will tell you that the only proper code is hand

WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Richard Taylor
> From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: >> mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good >> WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time. > >Give Amaya a tryout, done by the w3 folks. Amaya's really good...

WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-18 Thread Steve
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: > mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good > WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time. > Give Amaya a tryout, done by the w3 folks. Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
> if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it > prompts for > the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runlevel 2. that will > effectivly > restart all programs on the system except (i think) init, and of course > the > kernel. > > restarting programs really depends on

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
Hi Cam, That really sounds like it could be fun! Just thinking here, how to pull off that ... How about using an 'at'command. give yourself 2 minutes to change the kb, at will restart gpm then do it again 2 minutes later so you can see if new stuff works, and if it doesn't gives you time to pl

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
I have crashed my share of drives too. What I learned is that I get the very best luck out of Western Digital. Of all the WD drives, I only killed one - and that was purely my fault - 1500Watts of RF without benefit of an RF ground = bad/evil/smoke producing things to computers :) Yet WD warrented

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 07:19:28AM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote: > Osamu Aoki wrote: ... > > By the way, when you have buggy multi-PC KB switcher, and > > KB goes crazy, restarting gpm also intialize KB nicely. > > > OK, I'll offer a test. I do have a keyboard I want to try, and I don't > want to go

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Cam Ellison
Osamu Aoki wrote: > > I agree with Carel. As long as X read from /dev/gpmdata (most sane > configuration but too many people disregards...), reboot is not > needed for KB/mouse initialization. > > I just unplugged my mouse while in X4, replug -- cant move, > restrted gpm to initialize, there I g

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Martin Tanzer
John Galt wrote: --- snip --- > Linux Fdisk resyncs the disks almost immediately. DOS fdisk requires a > reboot to do this. Did you reboot after running fdisk when installing > Debian? I definitely have to reboot installing my alphas. I don't know if I had to reboot the machine with the arc-cols

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Sebastiaan
For my (little home) servers, I always try a reboot after I installed something regarding to the things it serves. If something goes wrong (power failure, accicent, etc) I know that the vital parts work directly 100% after reboot. As for my client/workstation system, I have to reboot when I need t

HDDs (Re: Rebooting is foolish .... )

2001-02-17 Thread Robert Waldner
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:41:04 +0100, William Leese writes: >..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, >but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something >about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM >maybe? I

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 06:19:29PM -0700, John Galt wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. > > Linux Fdisk resyncs the disks almost immediately. DOS fdisk requires a > reboot to do this. Did you reboot after

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Osamu Aoki
I agree with Carel. As long as X read from /dev/gpmdata (most sane configuration but too many people disregards...), reboot is not needed for KB/mouse initialization. I just unplugged my mouse while in X4, replug -- cant move, restrted gpm to initialize, there I go again. By the way, when you ha

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 06:19:29PM -0700, John Galt wrote: > >want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. > > Linux Fdisk resyncs the disks almost immediately. DOS fdisk requires a > reboot to do this. Did you reboot after running fdisk when installing > Debian? fdisk

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Martin Albert
Hi, Martin! On Friday 16 February 2001 15:54, "Martin_Tanzer"@dvs-berlin.de wrote: > As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the > hostname and want it active. > The Linuxcommunity is proud of their uptimes, so we never reboot... > > martin And not even that is necessary, /pr

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread John Galt
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the hostname and /etc/init.d/networking restart >want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull. Linux Fdisk resyncs the disks almost immediately. DOS fdisk re

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread John Galt
Everything in /etc/init.d is a shell script that can be used to restart a daemon. Usage: /etc/init.d/ restart. If there's not a init.d script, ps aux|grep to get the PID, then kill -HUP . That's just about it: if it doesn't fit into one of these two categories, it's not important to the machi

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:30:11PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote: > To quote Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > # On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote: > # ... > # > You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See > the > # > recent thread on XFree

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, # On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote: # ... # > You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See the # > recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse. # # I doubt it. Any trouble I've

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote: ... > You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See the > recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse. I doubt it. Any trouble I've had with PS2 mouses not being properly initialized could

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, # On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # You don't need to reboot to change the hostname, either. The command is # 'hostname'. # # You need to reboot to change the partition table of a disk with mounted # filesystems, and you need to reboot t

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: > ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate > maybe, but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've > heard something about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes > reliable HDs, anyone? IBM maybe? IBM drives are q

Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the > hostname and want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might > be usefull. You don't need to reboot to change the hostname, either. The command is 'hostname'. You need to

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote: > ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, > but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something > about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM > maybe? IBM is all i use now.. i'd buy a maxt

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
> back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives > and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail > within > 3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever > since > i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've o

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote: > I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ... > but how else do you know? > Please tell me? > I'll change my evil ways... if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it prompts for the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runle

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote: > heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob > with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm > guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as > someone already said installing a new kernel.. but o

Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread SamBozo Debian User
Nate Amsden wrote: > try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with > rebooting > not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to > move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding > it. > nate I Have had a simular experience (

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
On Friday 16 February 2001 17:27, Nate Amsden wrote: > try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with > rebooting > not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to > move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding > it. > > fucki

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Hall Stevenson
> try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad > experience with rebooting not too long ago. a sun > ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to move > a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 > hours rebuilding it. Similar experience here at work with a Sun Sparc we had... mo

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote: > > Hello to the group, > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting > just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with rebooting not too long a

Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread "Martin_Tanzer"
TED]> on 16.02.2001 15:37:06 An: Debian User List Kopie: (Blindkopie: Martin Tanzer/dvs/DE) Blindkopie:Martin Tanzer/dvs/DE Thema: Rebooting is foolish Hello to the group, Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting just to reset an ed

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Sebastiaan
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Colin Watson wrote: > SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting > >just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys > >that would have accomplished this? Are there diff

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting >just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys >that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for >different config files? SHUP somet

Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread SamBozo Debian User
Hello to the group, Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restar