Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 09 iul 20, 11:02:49, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 10:56:26AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > > Sounds pretty risky. > > > > Sure. On the other hand, what is the point of using LVM if one is not > > going to use it to adjust partitions when required? >

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-09 Thread David Wright
On Thu 09 Jul 2020 at 11:02:49 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 10:56:26AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > > Sounds pretty risky. > > > > Sure. On the other hand, what is the point of using LVM if one is not > > going to use it to adjust partitions when

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-09 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 10:56:26AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > Sounds pretty risky. > > Sure. On the other hand, what is the point of using LVM if one is not > going to use it to adjust partitions when required? You first have to copy stuff, then delete stuff, then shrink, then

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 08 iul 20, 10:20:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 08:35:35AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > I was under the impression that LVM is used in particular for its > > flexibility in adjusting your partitions. > > But it won't make disappear a separate /usr

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-08 Thread David Wright
On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 18:07:05 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 8/7/20 3:35 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 08 iul 20, 02:35:09, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> On 8/7/20 2:11 am, Michael Stone wrote: > >>> > >>> The short answer is that there simply isn't a good reason to do this > >>> on

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 06:07:05PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: A line for /usr is in /etc/fstab using it's UUID ... same as root is referenced by UUID (both are in the same lvm2 volume group). Why not just reference it by path?

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-08 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 08:35:35AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > I was under the impression that LVM is used in particular for its > flexibility in adjusting your partitions. But it won't make disappear a separate /usr partition "by magic". > What prevents you from merging '/' and

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 8/7/20 3:35 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 08 iul 20, 02:35:09, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 8/7/20 2:11 am, Michael Stone wrote: >>> >>> The short answer is that there simply isn't a good reason to do this >>> on a modern system, and there is no volunteer to donate the enormous >>>

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 08 iul 20, 02:35:09, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 8/7/20 2:11 am, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > The short answer is that there simply isn't a good reason to do this > > on a modern system, and there is no volunteer to donate the enormous > > amount of effort required to make > > something

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 02:35:09 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 8/7/20 2:11 am, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 10:45:17AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 00:41:12 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>> On 2/11/14 8:58 am, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > >>>

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 8/7/20 2:11 am, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 10:45:17AM -0500, David Wright wrote: >> On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 00:41:12 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>> On 2/11/14 8:58 am, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: >>> > * David Baron [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: >>> >> On Friday 31

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 10:45:17AM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 00:41:12 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 2/11/14 8:58 am, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > * David Baron [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: >> On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > [...] > >>>

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Wed 08 Jul 2020 at 00:41:12 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 2/11/14 8:58 am, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > * David Baron [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: > >> On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >>> It's your decision. MODULES=most should be okay.

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2020-07-07 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 2/11/14 8:58 am, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > * David Baron [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: > >> On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > [...] > >>> It's your decision. MODULES=most should be okay. BUSYBOX=y is >>> essential. >> >> This is what the install gave me. I

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-11-02 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-02 00:28 +0200]: On Saturday 01 November 2014 22:58:05 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] It's your decision. MODULES=most

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-11-01 Thread David Baron
On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-10-31 10:22 +0200]: On Thursday 30 October 2014 19:46:26 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] To mount /usr at boottime you need to boot with an initramfs. Therefor you need at least

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-11-01 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] It's your decision. MODULES=most should be okay. BUSYBOX=y is essential. This is what the install gave me. I have not touched it. Where do I tell it to mount

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-11-01 Thread David Baron
On Saturday 01 November 2014 22:58:05 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] It's your decision. MODULES=most should be okay. BUSYBOX=y is essential. This is what the

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-31 Thread David Baron
On Thursday 30 October 2014 19:46:26 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de [2014-10-30 10:27 +0100]: Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /.

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-31 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-10-31 10:22 +0200]: On Thursday 30 October 2014 19:46:26 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] To mount /usr at boottime you need to boot with an initramfs. Therefor you need at least ii initramfs-tools 0.118 ii util-linux 2.25.2-2

Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans
Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hello Hans! Am Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014, 10:27:50 schrieb Hans: Dear maintainers, You only reach the systemd maintainers by pure luck this way. I know one is subscribed to debian-user-german, I am not sure about debian-user. I suggest you use BTS or dig for a debian systemd maintainers

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote: Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. Due to

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 10/30/2014 10:27 AM, Hans wrote: Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. Due to this profile, I get a lot of

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread David Baron
On Thursday 30 October 2014 10:27:50 Hans wrote: Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. Due to this

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans
Hi Hans, have a look on this link: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ Best, Alex Yes, yes, I know that. I alreadfy filed a bugreport some weeks ago. However, it is not really a bug, but more a failure by design, I think. Hope, that the

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans
I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 10/30/14, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent installations (not

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:27:50 +0100, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de a écrit : Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. If you want this to work, you need to ensure that /usr is mounted by the

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Peter Nieman
On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote: I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent installations (not that I like

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread David Baron
On Thursday 30 October 2014 15:35:53 Peter Nieman wrote: On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote: I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Marty
On 10/30/2014 10:14 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. If you want this to work,

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2014 15:35, Peter Nieman a écrit : On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote: I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Peter Nieman
On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one partition (beginners)? If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems because of stuff not mounted. I guess you're right that there was an option to have

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de [2014-10-30 10:27 +0100]: Dear maintainers, completely without starting any flamewars: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. Due to

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Joe
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:30:54 +0100 Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote: On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one partition (beginners)? If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems