On 6/21/2010 11:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors and
perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with others.
It's all about the packet load you push through the router. It's absolutely
normal for setups
On 6/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
no, we don't want download managers here.
we are trying to isolate the cause of the problem.
Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that would
point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the problemo
is
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky wireless)
was the reason.
From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/21/2010 2:36 AM:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky wireless)
was the reason.
From what I can
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that would
point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the problemo
is with the torrent software.
Iceweasel, jigdo both worked. Also I've tried I
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a torrent) over the
wireless connection works fine with XP and with UNR. It's just some form of
straight Debian where torrent downloads fail.
XP UNR 9.10 work,
On 06/21/2010 03:00 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/21/2010 2:36 AM:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the problem.
However, two other torrents I've downloaded (both legally on torrent)
2010/6/21 ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the problem.
However, two other torrents I've
On 06/21/2010 07:22 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote:
2010/6/21 ABS Dougabsd...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:24 AM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that
would
point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the
problemo
is
Dne, 21. 06. 2010 15:44:47 je Ron Johnson napisal(a):
The why does it succeed when XP is the client, and for me when the
torrent is non-pirate?
Well, for one, XP is a castrated OS (the notorious limit on concurrent
'half-open' connections being just one of its many self-imposed
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:24 AM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since
that
would
point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means
the
problemo
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org wrote:
I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the modem/router.
How can this be true when the same
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org
wrote:
I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the modem/router.
How can this be true when the
On 06/21/2010 03:37 PM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
very quickly, some (read windoze) have slow IO subsystems and so do
not send multiple connection requests anywhere
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:43:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
snip.
From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a torrent) over
the wireless connection works fine with XP and with UNR. It's just some
form of straight Debian where torrent
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org wrote:
As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
very quickly, some (read windoze) have slow IO subsystems and so do
not send multiple
On Monday 21 June 2010 23:38:21 Mark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org wrote:
As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
very quickly, some (read windoze) have
Mark put forth on 6/21/2010 1:20 PM:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org wrote:
I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote:
Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors
and
perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with
others.
It's all about the packet load you push through the
Mark put forth on 6/21/2010 11:13 PM:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote:
Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors
and
perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with
others.
It's all about the
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
try using fewer. Beyond about four, you won't see much improvement
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM:
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
try using fewer.
On 06/20/2010 01:44 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM:
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open
I'm just curious since ABS Doug didn't reply to my suggestions, have you
read my reply? Here is the pertinent info below. It's clearly not a
hardware problem, on the computer or router, since other OS's work fine.
My previous reply:
Nuno mentioned looking at your hardware, and it's possible
On 6/20/2010 1:34 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
try using fewer. Beyond
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
$ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep :[6][8,9][0-9][0-9] | grep -c -v LISTEN
Your command line merely shows all TCP connections
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
$ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep
On 06/20/2010 10:27 AM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppners...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
$ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:
My previous reply:
Nuno mentioned looking at your hardware, and it's possible the drivers are
different in the Ubuntu/XP/Debian platforms that's causing the dropout. Is
it only with torrents, or is it all downloads? What if
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:39 PM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to provide more
info re: jiado DL through Iceweasel, I'll try it!
Sorry, I got what you mean DL through Iceweasel... doing it now,
downloading Ubuntu.
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:42 PM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:39 PM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to provide more
info re: jiado DL through Iceweasel, I'll try it!
It's jigdo, and it's a great way to download big files for Debian. It's
the
On Sunday 20 June 2010 18:06:37 ABS Doug wrote:
Downloading Ubuntu through Iceweasel went fine... thing is it went SO
fast, I'm not sure it's really a good test.
FYI, this effectively rules out the MTU issues I suggested earlier,
so it was a useful test for that.
The multi-OS character
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
Nope, since that also returns tcp6 packets. This does it simplest:
$ netstat -ant4
so you are not taking use of ipv6 p2p.
Tao
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On 06/20/2010 08:07 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
Nope, since that also returns tcp6 packets. This does it simplest:
$ netstat -ant4
so you are not taking use of ipv6 p2p.
Should I be? After all, my ISP only uses
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:
Ubuntu download might be too small to test, that's why I suggested a dvd
download. The logic is, if you can download large files on the same OS but
from a different software platform like jigdo or Iceweasel, you've isolated
the
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:59 AM, ABS Doug absd...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, quite right, a DVD. Now which one?
download this one [1] with iceweasel and see if it fails or encounters
any glitch.
[1]:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-504-amd64-DVD-1.iso
Tao
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On 6/20/2010 4:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out what jiado is. Also I've never
did a DL through Iceweasel was trying to figure that out to. Then I
got distracted forgot. I'm about to go try a download of Ubuntu
via torrent to see if I have an issue. If you want to
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/20/2010 10:27 AM:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
$ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
On 6/20/2010 11:18 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 6/20/2010 4:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out what jiado is. Also I've never
did a DL through Iceweasel was trying to figure that out to. Then I
got distracted forgot. I'm about to go try a download of Ubuntu
via torrent
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer pause
(or dropped connection) and resume.
no, we don't want download managers
On 06/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer pause
(or dropped connection) and
On 6/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer pause
(or dropped connection) and
Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be
throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of
Ubuntu would make.
However, if a Windows client works, then ask yourself if you need Linux
for other things, or whether Windows will suit your needs. (I
On 6/19/2010 9:51 AM, Zoran Kolic wrote:
Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be
throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of
Ubuntu would make.
Huh! It is much easier when one makes proper visualisation
of the protocols involved into the
My conclusion would be: some time has to
be spent to learn ins and outs of debian first. Next, to learn
how torrent works, including reading rfc or whatever similar.
Last, choose the application people use and help on forums or
irc channel.
Or just used Windows. I mean it works it would
On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and
should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs,
torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and worse.
Do they throttle torrents when protocol
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando
mihirathe...@gmail.com wrote:
Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My
isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all
when protocol encryption is turned on.
Thing is, if I'm
On 6/19/2010 11:49 PM, Mihira Fernando wrote:
On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and
should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs,
torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and
On 6/20/2010 12:04 AM, ABS Doug wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando
mihirathe...@gmail.com wrote:
Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My
isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all
when protocol
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