Steve Lamb wrote:
Daniel B. wrote:
...
(When you logically tentatively delete a message from the Inbox
folder and Seamonkey logically moves it to the Trash folder, there's
still a physical copy of the data in the file that implements the Inbox
folder. That physical copy is never available to
> > Am 2007-02-14 16:45:42, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > > That would be great! Would this be ok:
> > > # Mailboxes which get new mail.
> > > mailboxes `echo $HOME/.Maildir/*`
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:45:21PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > No it would not since you have to setup:
> >
> >
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:45:21PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-02-14 16:45:42, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > That would be great! Would this be ok:
> > # Mailboxes which get new mail.
> > mailboxes `echo $HOME/.Maildir/*`
>
> No it would not since you have to setup:
>
> set folder=ima
Daniel B. wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> This is no different.
> Actually, it is.
Sorry, nope.
> We're not talking about Seamonkey's Trash folder to which tentatively
> deleted messages are moved and from which users can recover or really
> delete those tentatively deleted messages, worki
Am 2007-02-14 22:32:43, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.
Where is the problem?
My INBOX.ML_debian.user/ has arround 18 Messages and my
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ environement 37.
OH, cur
Am 2007-02-16 12:35:44, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> That is more of a policy issue than a technical limitation. I think it
> has more to do with Debian trying to adhere closely to the traditional
> Unix philosophy.
This is WHY I love Debian!
...and Debian should never go away from the philosop
Am 2007-02-17 03:29:31, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > Mutt can directly read Maildir folders? (I don't see why it
> > shouldn't, but it just never occurred to me.)
>
> set mbox_type=Maildir
This is only for writing!
Mutt can read mbox, Maildir and MH without changes by default.
> > Procmail? Y
Am 2007-02-14 16:45:42, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> That would be great! Would this be ok:
> # Mailboxes which get new mail.
> mailboxes `echo $HOME/.Maildir/*`
No it would not since you have to setup:
set folder=imaps://localhost
mailboxes =INBOX \
=INBOX.IN-debian-user \
...
You need to creatr
Freddy Freeloader wrote:
...
... Any message
that has been deleted in Icedove/Thunderbird/SeaMonkey is recoverable,
at least up until the time the folder is compacted or the Trash folder
is emptied, from the Trash folder. After that happens then, no, the
message is not recoverable. What is
Steve Lamb wrote:
Dave Sherohman wrote:
OK, one more time: Delete by default does not have to mean delete
*immediately* by default. Look at the underlined text above. I already
explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and that delete-
on-folder-change or delete-on-exit are prob
Steve Lamb wrote:
...
And before we get into this again I only have to ask one question. If a
single file is such a bad thing why is it MySQL (and other) databases don't
store records per file but, instead, per table? You'd think the corruption
problem would be just as bad for them. And y
Dave Sherohman wrote:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:30:48PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:
Dave Sherohman wrote:
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I was complaining solely about the use of "compact" to mean "delete".
Are you confusing the logical level (what the user al
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:35:23AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Modularity is one of the main reasons why I like Debian, and won't
> willingly go back to an RPM system.
>
> Mandrake packaged Python and all the miscellaneous libraries into
> one big RPM. Install Python and in comes XFree. Too s
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On 02/16/07 10:06, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:50:10AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> If you're behind a firewall, all should be fine.
>>
>> The "rule" against putting X on servers is based on "don't put
>> anything on a server
Ron Johnson wrote:
> *Solving* the corrupted-mbox problem means moving to Maildir (or,
> less popularly, mh) storage.
Which is not a panacea. All it does is introduce a different set of
problems. ~20,000 individual files in a directory may be more resilient
against corruption part way throu
charlie derr wrote:
> No, we use dovecot which stores email files in Maildir format on the
> server.
Dovecot *can* store mail in MailDir. It is not a given.
dovecot-common - secure mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes
dovecot-imapd - secure IMAP server that supports mbox and
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:50:10AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> If you're behind a firewall, all should be fine.
>
> The "rule" against putting X on servers is based on "don't put
> anything on a server that you don't need". The reasoning is two-
> fold:
> 1. Security: more "stuff" means a bigg
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On 02/16/07 08:29, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:01:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/13/07 21:45, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> from your mail data flow diagram: (plus your IMAP server is
>>> haggis)
>>>
>>> fetchmail -> postf
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:01:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/13/07 21:45, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > from your mail data flow diagram: (plus your IMAP server is
> > haggis)
> >
> > fetchmail -> postfix -> SpamAssassin -> maildrop -> Maildir
> >
> > All those programs run on haggis?
>
> S
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:00:22PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > >
> > Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> > or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.
>
> does that mean I have a pro
Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 02/15/07 15:21, charlie derr wrote:
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
or mailbox. I have
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On 02/15/07 15:21, charlie derr wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
>>> or mailbox. I have seen such a
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On 02/15/07 15:00, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
>> or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.
>
> does that me
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.
does that mean I have a problem?
A
For whatever it's worth, I'm writing this messa
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:32:43PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >
> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> or mailbox. I have seen such a thing.
does that mean I have a problem?
A
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On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:58:19PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > OK, one more time: Delete by default does not have to mean delete
> > *immediately* by default. Look at the underlined text above. I already
> > explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and tha
Dave Sherohman wrote:
> OK, one more time: Delete by default does not have to mean delete
> *immediately* by default. Look at the underlined text above. I already
> explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and that delete-
> on-folder-change or delete-on-exit are probably better,
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:23:17PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
>
> OK, one more time: Delete by default does not have to mean delete
> *immediately* by default. Look at the underlined text above. I already
> explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and that delete-
> on-folder-c
Dave Sherohman wrote:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:30:48PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:
Dave Sherohman wrote:
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I was complaining solely about the use of "compact" to mean "delete".
Are you confusing the logical level (w
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On 02/14/07 16:23, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> If the tool does not provide a means to undelete messages, then I also
>>> find the decision to not make permanent deletion (either when the use
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:42:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > If the tool does not provide a means to undelete messages, then I also
> > find the decision to not make permanent deletion (either when the user
> > changes f
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On 02/14/07 15:26, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:30:48PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:
>> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> I was complaining solely about the use of "compac
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:30:48PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> >On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >I was complaining solely about the use of "compact" to mean "delete".
>
> Are you confusing the logical level (what the user almost always de
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On 02/14/07 13:30, Daniel B. wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez
>> wrote:
> ...
[snip]
>
> At the logical level, the messages are already deleted (from the
> folder). There is no way to get t
Dave Sherohman wrote:
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
...
I was complaining solely about the use of "compact" to mean "delete".
Are you confusing the logical level (what the user almost always deals
with) with the physical level?
At the logical level, the
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:33:47PM + or thereabouts, Paul Walsh
wrote:
[ ...]
> "You learn something new every day" the saying goes.
>
> I hadn't realised about the function of the "Compact" option 'til I
> read this thread. Might (partially) explain why my windozZe laptop
> goes into meltd
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On 02/14/07 09:33, Paul Walsh wrote:
> Daniel D Jones wrote:
>
>> messages. Compact. That's what the operation was called, and
>> that's what the drop down menu said. That was in the early
>> '90s, over 20 years ago.
>>
>>
> I presume you meant "
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:01:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Mutt can directly read Maildir folders? (I don't see why it
> shouldn't, but it just never occurred to me.)
>
> > changing the procmail recipe delivery folder from
> > "path/to/folder" to
>
> Procmail? You probably like Perl, too
Daniel D Jones wrote:
> messages. Compact. That's what the operation was called, and that's what
> the drop down menu said. That was in the early '90s, over 20 years ago.
>
>
I presume you meant "early '80s"?
"You learn something new every day" the saying goes.
I hadn't realised about th
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 22:45, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > "Compact", in that sense, refering to expunging deleted messages from an
> > mbox or other mail store, has been *the* common word for that action for
> > literally decades, predating even the popular internet (e.g. in the days
> > of BBS
Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Never struck it when dealing with mail. Before I came to Linux I had use
> Pegasus, Eudora, Groupwise something or other. When I started using
> Linux at Polytech, it was Pine. I don't remember having to compact
> anything to *actually* delete mail.
In
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On 02/13/07 21:45, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:31:39PM -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
>> On Monday 12 February 2007 14:33, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:50:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Dave Sheroh
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On 02/13/07 21:45, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:22:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Also, my mail data flow is: fetchmail -> postfix ->
>> SpamAssassin -> maildrop -> Maildir.
>>
>> I fetchmail my wife's mail the same way. Win
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:22:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Also, my mail data flow is:
> fetchmail -> postfix -> SpamAssassin -> maildrop -> Maildir.
>
> I fetchmail my wife's mail the same way. Windows Tbird looks over
> the LAN to find it. No sweat.
Ahh, across the LAN. :-) Networking :-(
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:03:13AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:01:56PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Personally, I don't like clutter in my $HOME, so I changed the courier
> config to use ~/.Maildir instead of ~/Maildir.
Thats only for ls -l asthetics?
> > To c
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:31:39PM -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
> On Monday 12 February 2007 14:33, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:50:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > > > I t
On Saturday 10 February 2007 10:10, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can
> > use File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option
> > "Compact folders when it wi
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On 02/11/07 23:50, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>> I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the word
>> "compact" is a bug in IceDove (and just continue
On Monday 12 February 2007 14:33, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:50:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > > I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the
> > > word "c
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:50:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the word
> > "compact" is a bug in IceDove (and just continue using mutt).
>
>
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On 02/12/07 04:01, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 07:43:37AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> IMAP is designed for what you what you want to do. Run an imapd on
>> your box (courier-imap is popular and easy) and tell you MUA to use
>> th
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:01:56PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> If you use fetchmail to get your mail from your ISP, is it still easy?
> At the moment I use fetchmail and maildrop. Once courier-imap is
> installed, do I just change my .mailfilter from say:
>
> ##
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 07:43:37AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> IMAP is designed for what you what you want to do. Run an imapd on
> your box (courier-imap is popular and easy) and tell you MUA to use
> the IMAP protocol instead of mbox.
Hi Ron,
If you use fetchmail to get your mail from your ISP
On Sunday, 11.02.2007 at 21:39 +0100, Fabian (Lists) wrote:
> > 1. Set "When I delete a message" to be "Move it to Deleted", and
> > also set "Empty Deleted folder on Exit;
>
> [snip]
>
> This is true for an IMAP folder. But that's not what this thread is
> about. For IMAP you can also enable 'E
Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the word
> "compact" is a bug in IceDove (and just continue using mutt).
You mean the people who are oblivious to the fact that compact, as you
Dave Ewart wrote:
> On Sunday, 11.02.2007 at 18:47 +0100, Fabian (Lists) wrote:
>
>> There is an extension [1] for thunderbird/icedove which provides a
>> toolbar button to purge the pseudo-deleted messages. Funny that one
>> needs to install a third-party extension for such a basic function...
>
On Sunday, 11.02.2007 at 18:47 +0100, Fabian (Lists) wrote:
> There is an extension [1] for thunderbird/icedove which provides a
> toolbar button to purge the pseudo-deleted messages. Funny that one
> needs to install a third-party extension for such a basic function...
Except that you *don't* ne
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> On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:06:35AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 02/11/07 11:47, Fabian (Lists) wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>>> To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can use
>>> File, Compact Folders and you can spec
Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>> To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can use
>> File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option "Compact
>> folders when it will save over XXX kB" (you can also sp
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> On 02/11/07 09:31, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:10:46AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
>
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On 02/11/07 09:31, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:10:46AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
[snip]
> Please note the lack of any complaint about tag-then-delete in my
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:10:46AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the word
> > "compact" is a bug in IceDove (and just continue using mutt).
> >
> Ever have a hug
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 08:26:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Does that mean that with Maildirs you lose teh ability to undelete
> messages?
>
Not if you are still using a Trash folder.
Regards,
-Roberto
--
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://people.connexer.com/~roberto
http://www.connexer.c
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:31:03PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:08:00AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > I've never used anything but mutt. Surely someone doesn't have to run
> > imapd just so that their mail gets deleted when they tell a MUA to
> > delet
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:10:46AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can use
> > File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option "Compact
> > folders wh
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:08:00AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> I've never used anything but mutt. Surely someone doesn't have to run
> imapd just so that their mail gets deleted when they tell a MUA to
> delete a mail. I'd call that a bug.
>
Switching from mbox to Maildir would probab
On Saturday, 10.02.2007 at 09:10 -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can use
> > File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option "Compact
> > folders whe
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can use
> File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option "Compact
> folders when it will save over XXX kB" (you can also specify specific amount
> of
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:12:47 -0800 (PST), Arc Roca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would have expected this in a windows application,
> but not in one of ours!!!
>
Actually - mutt does the same thing - when message is deleted,
it's marked as deleted and not actually deleted. Check man muttr
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On 02/10/07 08:08, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 07:43:37AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/10/07 05:12, Arc Roca wrote:
>>> Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
>>> -f, and discovered that no message that I
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 07:43:37AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/10/07 05:12, Arc Roca wrote:
> > Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
> > -f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
> > had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
> > very first, in the sa
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On 02/10/07 05:12, Arc Roca wrote:
> Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
> -f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
> had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
> very first, in the same file Inbox. Invisible
On (10/02/07 03:12), Arc Roca wrote:
> Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
> -f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
> had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
> very first, in the same file Inbox. Invisible from
> icedove interface (probably through t
Arc Roca wrote:
Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
-f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
very first, in the same file Inbox. Invisible from
icedove interface (probably through tagging), but
clearly visible
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:12:47 -0800 (PST)
Arc Roca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
> -f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
> had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
> very first, in the same file Inbox. Invisible fro
Exploring my system, I decided to open Inbox with mutt
-f, and discovered that no message that I had deleted
had really been deleted. They were all there, from the
very first, in the same file Inbox. Invisible from
icedove interface (probably through tagging), but
clearly visible and present from m
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