Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
On 22/08/17 15:11, Jape Person wrote: > You have been *very* helpful. You educated / reminded me on why even > testing for exploits isn't necessarily useful when the firmware is not > Open Source, and you told me about the existence of magnetic quick > release USB cables. Time to shop! > > And

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Jape Person
On 08/22/2017 06:01 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 08/22/2017 05:12 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: On 22/08/17 15:11, Jape Person wrote: You have been *very* helpful. You educated / reminded me on why even testing for exploits isn't necessarily useful when the firmware is not Open Source, and you

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Jape Person
On 08/22/2017 05:12 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: On 22/08/17 15:11, Jape Person wrote: You have been *very* helpful. You educated / reminded me on why even testing for exploits isn't necessarily useful when the firmware is not Open Source, and you told me about the existence of magnetic

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Fungi4All
> From: marioxcc...@yandex.com > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > On 22/08/17 10:22, Jape Person wrote: >> Hence, why I suspect that they are vulnerable. I bought these things >> because my wife trips over her cables 3 or 4 times a day, and wireless >> ones are just easier to deal with from a

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
On 22/08/17 13:01, Jape Person wrote: > There's no fix for my wife and the presence of cables. In this case, the > cables for keyboard and mouse run from the Intel NUC computer nestled in > a table beside her recliner to the keyboard on her lap and the mouse on > her arm rest. She has yanked the

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Jape Person
On 08/22/2017 02:40 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: On 22/08/17 13:01, Jape Person wrote: There's no fix for my wife and the presence of cables. In this case, the cables for keyboard and mouse run from the Intel NUC computer nestled in a table beside her recliner to the keyboard on her lap and

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
On 22/08/17 12:38, Nicolas George wrote: > Wrong, "pay a loan" and "pay a loan" are the same problem. "Pay a loan" > and "escape the police after robbing a bank" are two different problems, > for example. Wrong. Your ambiguous choice of words has hidden the difference. First it is “pay THE loan

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
On 22/08/17 12:33, Nicolas George wrote: > Le quintidi 5 fructidor, an CCXXV, Mario Castelán Castro a écrit : >> Wireless things do not solve the problem of having to cope with wires. >> They just replace this with the bigger problem of unauduitable firmware >> directly exposed to the attacker

Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
On 22/08/17 10:22, Jape Person wrote: > Hence, why I suspect that they are vulnerable. I bought these things > because my wife trips over her cables 3 or 4 times a day, and wireless > ones are just easier to deal with from a workstation logistics standpoint. Wireless things do not solve the

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 5 fructidor, an CCXXV, Mario Castelán Castro a écrit : > Wrong. Your ambiguous choice of words has hidden the difference. That was YOUR own choice of words, showing how this discussion is pointless. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Jape Person
On 08/22/2017 01:17 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: On 22/08/17 10:22, Jape Person wrote: Hence, why I suspect that they are vulnerable. I bought these things because my wife trips over her cables 3 or 4 times a day, and wireless ones are just easier to deal with from a workstation logistics

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 5 fructidor, an CCXXV, Mario Castelán Castro a écrit : > Just as the problem of having to pay a loan is “solved” by requesting a > new loan to pay the old loan. Wrong, "pay a loan" and "pay a loan" are the same problem. "Pay a loan" and "escape the police after robbing a bank" are two

Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch)

2017-08-22 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 5 fructidor, an CCXXV, Mario Castelán Castro a écrit : > Wireless things do not solve the problem of having to cope with wires. > They just replace this with the bigger problem of unauduitable firmware > directly exposed to the attacker (via radio or sometimes infrared >