Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-20 Thread 황병희
> [...] it could be of interest to you to take a look at text mail clients, > like mutt ou sup. Also Gnus is not bad, i think...;;; Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread hobie of RMN
Hi, Karen - I'm not at all sure this is the solution but I think it's worth considering: https://safe-mail.net It offers a few interface designs. I use the 'Fast' one, which trims away icons and other graphic niceties. Since I don't normally use lynx or elinks, I'm not sure how navigable it

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
My experience of sight loss is not what motivates my use of a web browser to access this account. Instead, it is that I must, in the course of work and research, direct other individuals to this inbox in public places. Karen On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Curt wrote: On 2019-11-19, Reco wrote:

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
On the contrary, One member provided an article listing email companies, another reminded me that I might consider the email option provided by my dsl company itself. All perfectly helpful, and perfectly focused on the single question I asked. so, the thread, or some of it, was most

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
I have no problem with that situation. Better screen on my own leaving open a possibility I might miss otherwise, then eliminate a prospective option based on a non-common dictionary . On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: On 19/11/2019 18:54, Karen Lewellen wrote: Nope, do not

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Mark, neither of the methods you outline are what I choose. first, let me use dreamhost as an example. Asking the company in no way shape or form insures I will learn how a company programs fully, because many technicians and customer service people work from a script leaving them less than

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
because my first post says so smiles. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, John Hasler wrote: Why do you have to use Webmail at all? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread John Hasler
Karen Lewellen writes: > Nope, do not need webmail software names at all. just need to visit, > test, and move on. no more, no less. Then this entire discussion is pointless. No one here has a complete list of Webmail providers but a Web seach using your favorite search engine will provide one.

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 19:03, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Aside from the lack of practical processes Really, there is no real world lack of practical processes. > a company might configure their web interface to be perfectly > functional for me without using any of these webmail software > programs, at

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:54, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Nope, do not need webmail software names at all. > just need to visit, test, and move on. no more, no less. But you do realise that you're going to be seeing the same webmail software over and over again that way, much of which might not work for you.

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:19, Karen Lewellen wrote: > And as I have said, more than once, is that I am not going to have a > say in, or a reasonable way to, screen what services provide in > terms of the webmail software they incorporate. Yes, I have seen you say this several times now. There are two

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Mark, Does that mean you will agree to disagree, allowing the list to move on? for my part the exchange is over. Others provided a list of possible e-mail companies which was first, last, and only the goal for information here. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: On 19/11/2019

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread John Hasler
Why do you have to use Webmail at all? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:37, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: >> >> What these pieces of software do need is to be hosted somewhere. The >> easiest and best way for that to be done is to be hosted by an ISP or >> email service provider. In other words, you simply obtain

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
not at all. Aside from the lack of practical processes, a company might configure their web interface to be perfectly functional for me without using any of these webmail software programs, at all. Therefore my own method of a simple visit is perfectly fine...for me, which is the point.

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
I have no interest in reading the email account I am seeking via anything at all whatsoever but a web browser. Not only for myself, but others who must access the account when I am conducting research in public places. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, John Hasler wrote: Karen Lewellen writes: yet

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: You don't need to have any say in what webmail software they use. But, due to your specific requirements, the fact remains that you will have to choose your email hosting company depending on the webmail software they offer because, as you have

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:44, Karen Lewellen wrote: > i. have. no. interest. in. finding. webmail software! Yes, you want to find an email hosting company. *But specifically you need to find an email hosting company that provides webmail software that works as you need it to*. Knowing what webmail

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread John Hasler
Karen Lewellen writes: > yet another reason to find another email provider... [Ancient news elided] Of course they read your mail (or rather their software does). They are an advertising agency. Did you think that they provided Gmail for free as a charity? Newsguy (

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:40, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Not at all, just answer the question asked...as others have done. I really have done -- at very considerable length and in detail. :-) -- Mark Rousell

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
i. have. no. interest. in. finding. webmail software! Your method does not provide a firm and absolute way of determining the presence of such webmail software. My own method, which is how I checked out Protonmail, involved visiting their webmail interface via a link from their site..and I

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I am going to have no say whatsoever in the webmail software they use. You don't need to have any say in what webmail software they use. But, due to your specific requirements, the fact remains that you will have to choose your email hosting company

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Not at all, just answer the question asked...as others have done. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: On 19/11/2019 18:07, Karen Lewellen wrote: I asked specifically for email companies, not webmail software. I say this in the nicest possible way but you are quite a hard person to

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 18:07, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I asked specifically for email companies, not webmail software. I say this in the nicest possible way but you are quite a hard person to help. :-) I do understand that you'd like a list of email companies but a list of webmail software might very

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi again, On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: What these pieces of software do need is to be hosted somewhere. The easiest and best way for that to be done is to be hosted by an ISP or email service provider. In other words, you simply obtain the webmail service from the service provider

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
And as I have said, more than once, is that I am not going to have a say in, or a reasonable way to, screen what services provide in terms of the webmail software they incorporate. making a list of such software options not productive for my stated needs. Karen On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Mark

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
No, you sent me to a site listing webmail software, which is not an specific company, or the suggestion that I seek a specific local company for email. I am going to have no say whatsoever in the webmail software they use. Meaning bell.net might or might not work out, but it is a company

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
I asked specifically for email companies, not webmail software. While I respect that for some gmail is both a company providing email services , and one with its own web interface, my goal is the former not the latter . I am not qualified to quiz companies on the interfaces they offer or

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 17:27, Karen Lewellen wrote: > all of the software in the article one source offered, requires an > e-mail server . No, the software listed at the link I provided (https://opensource.com/alternatives/gmail) does *not* require that you have your own email server. The software

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
On 19/11/2019 22:21, ghe wrote: On 11/19/19 9:16 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: yet another reason to find another email provider, not to be confused with a webmail program requiring an email server I do not have for a computer i do not own running a Linux distribution I cannot access. Sorry, I

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Actually, no. Protonmail does not work in either links or elinks, as it requires a different configuration of JavaScript. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, ghe wrote: On 11/19/19 9:16 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: yet another reason to find another email provider, not to be confused with a webmail

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
all of the software in the article one source offered, requires an e-mail server . While another person provided a list of actual e-mail companies, which is what I am seeking. I am not in a position to change shell services for example, or dsl providers. my ability to Gage if the e-mail

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
I should add that (although I did not suggest that Karen should host her own email) I did mention the possibility of Karen having a webmail client of her own choice running in a web hosting account. This is not necessarily the shocking thing that it might sound and it is not the same as Karen

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread David Wright
entioned, there are plenty of open source webmail > > clients. I'd have thought that some of these can be configured to > > operate without resorting to Javascript. In addition to the link that > > Didier provided here is another handy list of open source webmail > >

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread ghe
On 11/19/19 9:16 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > yet another reason to find another email provider, not to be confused > with a webmail program requiring an email server I do not have for a > computer i do not own running a Linux distribution I cannot access. Sorry, I misspoke. Protonmail isn't

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 16:42, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 18 November 2019 17:48:30 Karen Lewellen wrote: > > To repost Karen's original plea for help since so many have apparently > miss-interpreted her situation. To me it reads like google changed > something and that shaming them into reversing

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 16:41, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Do you know if Roundcube works well without Javascript? > Yes: It does not. Roundcube very heavily uses JavaScript. > > Webmail-Frontends which does not use JavaScript for its main > functionality are (the already mentioned) Squirrelmail and Prayer >

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 16:16, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > yet another reason to find another email provider, not to be confused > with a webmail program requiring an email server I do not have for a > computer i do not own running a Linux distribution I cannot access. Sorry to butt in here but my impression

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 18 November 2019 17:48:30 Karen Lewellen wrote: To repost Karen's original plea for help since so many have apparently miss-interpreted her situation. To me it reads like google changed something and that shaming them into reversing that change might be the best fix. But based on my

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Sven Hartge
Mark Rousell wrote: > On 19/11/2019 08:34, juh wrote: >> open source software like roundcube. > Do you know if Roundcube works well without Javascript? Yes: It does not. Roundcube very heavily uses JavaScript. Webmail-Frontends which does not use JavaScript for its main functionality are

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 08:34, juh wrote: > open source software like roundcube. Do you know if Roundcube works well without Javascript? -- Mark Rousell

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 16:23, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > > > >> Support your local internet provider or web hoster. Look for a service >> that offer a web interface to email based on open source software like >> roundcube. > > Now, that is a meaningful suggestion. thank you! Note that this is what I

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/11/2019 15:59, Karen Lewellen wrote: > while I respect your perspective, I stated my specific goals because > I know what could and could not be possibly managed by me. > I smile when folks tell me that over time I will not be able to do > something To be clear, I'm not saying you can't

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
upgraded, but for most of what I require JavaScript to do, which is honestly very little, Elinks is fine most of the time. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Karen A quick web search for "gmail alternatives" gives plenty of answers, for exam

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi, Support your local internet provider or web hoster. Look for a service that offer a web interface to email based on open source software like roundcube. Now, that is a meaningful suggestion. thank you! Karen Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jan Ulrich Hasecke -- Hostsharing eG – die

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
ine, for example, works nicely with it :) Nicely, although the setup is a bit cumbersome. Il giorno mar 19 nov 2019 alle ore 10:06 ha scritto: Hello Karen A quick web search for "gmail alternatives" gives plenty of answers, for example: https://lifehacker.com/ditch-gmail-with-these

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread ghe
On 11/19/19 5:53 AM, fsdu39d wrote: > Problem with GMail is that it's constantly reading content of your emails and > works closely with government agencies to hand over and store your private > email to them. I'm not sure what your goal is, but as fsdu39d posted from, protonmail might be a

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
of these can be configured to operate without resorting to Javascript. In addition to the link that Didier provided here is another handy list of open source webmail clients: https://opensource.com/alternatives/gmail. In particular, SquirrelMail gets a mention on this list. SquirrelMail has seen little

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread David Wright
On Tue 19 Nov 2019 at 09:34:01 (+0100), juh wrote: > Am 18.11.19 um 23:48 schrieb Karen Lewellen: […] > > Anyone have a suggestion for an email service? > > Support your local internet provider or web hoster. Look for a service > that offer a web interface to email based on open source software

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2019-11-19, Reco wrote: > > And there's something that escapes me in this thread. If "shell account" > forces OP to use, say, links2 or w3m. Why bother with web-interface to > e-mail at all? e-mail is only good and proper if used from a proper MUA, > be it mutt, pine or gnus. I seem to

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:00:03PM +, Mark Rousell wrote: > In particular, SquirrelMail gets a mention on this list. SquirrelMail > has seen little development in the last few years and, for that reason, > probably doesn't rely much on Javascript In fact, SquirrelMail is

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread tony
thout resorting to Javascript. In addition to the link that > Didier provided here is another handy list of open source webmail > clients: https://opensource.com/alternatives/gmail. > > In particular, SquirrelMail gets a mention on this list. SquirrelMail > has seen little developmen

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread fsdu39d
ing that gmail offers IMAP access and Pine, for example, > works nicely with it :) > Nicely, although the setup is a bit cumbersome. > > Il giorno mar 19 nov 2019 alle ore 10:06 ha scritto: > >> Hello Karen >> >> A quick web search for "gmail alternatives&

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Mark Rousell
ebmail clients: https://opensource.com/alternatives/gmail. In particular, SquirrelMail gets a mention on this list. SquirrelMail has seen little development in the last few years and, for that reason, probably doesn't rely much on Javascript (although I cannot be certain as I've not tested it). On the

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread Andrea Borgia
Especially considering that gmail offers IMAP access and Pine, for example, works nicely with it :) Nicely, although the setup is a bit cumbersome. Il giorno mar 19 nov 2019 alle ore 10:06 ha scritto: > Hello Karen > > A quick web search for "gmail alternatives" give

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread didier . gaumet
Hello Karen A quick web search for "gmail alternatives" gives plenty of answers, for example: https://lifehacker.com/ditch-gmail-with-these-alternatives-1829337583 It is possible, though, that you encounter the same problems (javascript support in text-mode browsers) as

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-19 Thread juh
Am 18.11.19 um 23:48 schrieb Karen Lewellen: > Hi folks, > One of my gmail accounts is no longer accessible, not in links even with > some JavaScript.  Not in elinks with the same, and most of all, not via > basic html in lynx. > I use this account for research, meaning I prefer  a low graphics

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
why? after I have stated my goal is reading using a web interface comparative to what one finds with gmail? On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, john doe wrote: On 11/19/2019 2:06 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: For now  the web access is a zenith. I use a shell service exclusively for the internet.

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-18 Thread john doe
On 11/19/2019 2:06 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > For now  the web access is a zenith. > I use a shell service exclusively for the internet. > Therefore creating a setup outside of this is not possible. > Karen > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: > >> On 18/11/2019 22:48, Karen Lewellen

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
For now the web access is a zenith. I use a shell service exclusively for the internet. Therefore creating a setup outside of this is not possible. Karen On Mon, 18 Nov 2019, Mark Rousell wrote: On 18/11/2019 22:48, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, One of my gmail accounts is no longer

Re: alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-18 Thread Mark Rousell
On 18/11/2019 22:48, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > One of my gmail accounts is no longer accessible, not in links even > with some JavaScript. Not in elinks with the same, and most of all, > not via basic html in lynx. > I use this account for research, meaning I prefer a low graphics web

alternatives to gmail?

2019-11-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi folks, One of my gmail accounts is no longer accessible, not in links even with some JavaScript. Not in elinks with the same, and most of all, not via basic html in lynx. I use this account for research, meaning I prefer a low graphics web interface. I am using a screen reader which also