Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:59 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure > out what to do. > > When i got my last hardware, one challe

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

>> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop >> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the >> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers >> with ECC memory. > it's a really poor choice that that did not

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

tion" - specify "Legacy first" for "Storage Boot Option Control" - specify "Legacy OPROM" for "Other PCI Device ROM Priority" - though this will depend on your installed hardware - I have switched "SATA mode selection" to "AHC

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Kenneth Parker wrote: ... > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that I'm > here, it's "sort of" grown on me. > > What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on > Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefully read the >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: ... > Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the > latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers > with ECC memory. it's a really poor

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:54 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > > > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > > > figure out what to do. > > What are your nee

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:11 AM IL Ka wrote: > >> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After >> dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. >> However, i don't want to get involved with that again. >> >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > > figure out what to do. What are your needs, and what's your budget? Are you comfortable plugging together components to build a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After > dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. > However, i don't want to get involved with that again. > Motherboard firmware could be switched to the legacy BIOS/M

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: [snip] I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting.  But, now that I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind.  It's available on Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to,

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 12:48 AM, David Christensen wrote: The Debian x86 installer detects if you have booted the computer in BIOS or UEFI mode, and works accordingly. "Debian amd64 installer" is more accurate. David

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure out what to do. When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After dealing with it, i sort of lost track

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:03 AM Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to >> figure out what to do. >> >> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > figure out what to do. > > When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After > dealing with it, i sort of lost track of wha

on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure out what to do. When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. However, i don't want to get involved with that again

The Elephant and the Philospher [was: Question regarding hardware choices]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 06:22:31PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: [...] > So, metaphorically speaking, rather than blindly groping some > portion of an unknown beast and attempting to describe it [...] CONGRATS! You just managed to get hold of that philospher who was gripping firmly the

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On 2021-02-19 13:55, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 01:45:23PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant You thought this was helpful how? I frequently see a pattern on this list: 1. Someone posts an interesting question, but

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 01:45:23PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant You thought this was helpful how?

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On 2021-02-19 12:43, Darac Marjal wrote: On 19/02/2021 20:37, David Christensen wrote: On 2021-02-19 07:44, Semih Ozlem wrote: Hello everyone, In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using (i) live usb flash disk (ii) live usb with persistence on a flash disk (iii) full

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On 19/02/2021 20:37, David Christensen wrote: > On 2021-02-19 07:44, Semih Ozlem wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using >> >> (i) live usb flash disk >> (ii) live usb with persistence on a flash disk >> (iii) full installation on a flash disk

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On 2021-02-19 07:44, Semih Ozlem wrote: Hello everyone, In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using (i) live usb flash disk (ii) live usb with persistence on a flash disk (iii) full installation on a flash disk (iv) full installation on an external hard disk (ssd or other) (v)

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

>> It works but it is only suitable for occasional or lightweight use. I >> wrote a how-to guide for building such a system; it is here: >> https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/50416.html >> It is a little dated now but still valid. It details some >> optimisations you can do to boost life --

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On Fri 19 Feb 2021 at 18:11:02 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: [...] > If you want to use it on multiple different computers you may have > issues -- e.g. the same bootable key may not boot both a BIOS PC and a > UEFI PC. If there are OSes installed on the HDD as well, and you do an > update, then

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

ted * for (iii) - (v) it is again dependent on the actual hardware running applications (i), (ii), (iii), (iv), (v) * installed systems are faster because they need not re-create any of the application's directories etc. after first use of the respective application. Additiona

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 16:46, Semih Ozlem wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using > > (i) live usb flash disk Works, boots on anything (BIOS and UEFI), but you can't update and you can't readily save your data. Boot speed slow, because the OS

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

Darac Marjal (12021-02-19): > Most USB flash disks > (even USB3 drives) are relatively slow at transferring data (they > optimize for cost). Some devices DO have good controllers though, so YMMV. There is a more subtle problem here. Most USB

Re: Question regarding hardware choices

On 19/02/2021 15:44, Semih Ozlem wrote: > Hello everyone, > > In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using > > (i) live usb flash disk Usually, this is implemented with a compressed, read-only file system which is read into RAM. "Live" Operating Systems developed from the era of

Question regarding hardware choices

Hello everyone, In comparing performance what are the pros and cons to using (i) live usb flash disk (ii) live usb with persistence on a flash disk (iii) full installation on a flash disk (iv) full installation on an external hard disk (ssd or other) (v) full installation on an internal hard

Re: IP-CONFIG: no response | eth0 hardware address DHCP RARP

On 2021-02-07 9:40 p.m., Elias Pereira wrote: > hello, > > I have debian 10 in a xenserver 7.0 vm with static ip and keeps trying > dhcp. Already removed some packages that could be interfering, but must > still have something installed. > > the post messages >

IP-CONFIG: no response | eth0 hardware address DHCP RARP

hello, I have debian 10 in a xenserver 7.0 vm with static ip and keeps trying dhcp. Already removed some packages that could be interfering, but must still have something installed. the post messages https://i.stack.imgur.com/9ylgS.png

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

On 2021-01-22 19:31, Pankaj Jangid wrote: David Christensen writes: On 2021-01-21 21:06, Pankaj Jangid wrote: I am setting up one (or may be two) home-office servers. I have 6 ATI Radian RX580 graphics cards that are lying in cold storage. I used them a couple of years back to experiment

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

David Christensen writes: > On 2021-01-21 21:06, Pankaj Jangid wrote: >> I am setting up one (or may be two) home-office servers. I have 6 ATI >> Radian RX580 graphics cards that are lying in cold storage. I used them >> a couple of years back to experiment with various crypto-mining >>

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

synchronize it with some cloud space. I need recommendations for reliable hard disks. A combination of SSD/HDD to balance between cost, performance and reliability will probably be best. But I really don’t know much about the hardware. I already have good modular corsair 1200w power

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

Steven Mainor writes: > Well I can say that I have a ryzen 7 2700X in my desktop and I am very happy > with it. I don't know what question specifically I can answer for you but I > have no complaints about it. > > I would look for a motherboard with components(sound, sensors, network >

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 06:39:45 -0500 Dan Ritter wrote: ... > The AMD cards probably don't function without a firmware blob, > even with otherwise open-source drivers. Depends what you mean by "function" :) IIRC, my system with an RX-570 would boot to console without the firmware packages

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

o balance between >cost, performance and reliability will probably be best. But I really >don’t know much about the hardware. > > I already have good modular corsair 1200w power-supply. So I’ll put that > to use. > > I need your help to setup a system completely free of

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

Pankaj Jangid wrote: > I don???t want any proprietary software to run on these systems. And hence > exploring possibilities. My questions: > > 1. I had a look at i7 and Ryzen 7. For multi-threading applications, it >appears that Ryzen is better choice because it allows more number of >

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

best. But I really > don’t know much about the hardware. whatever you take use raid. I use SSD when it needs faster write access. I use spinning disks for backup and data that is not read that often or does not need fast access. there were few thread around regarding storage here on the list AFAIK.

Re: Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

formance and reliability will probably be best. But I really >don’t know much about the hardware. > > I already have good modular corsair 1200w power-supply. So I’ll put that > to use. > > I need your help to setup a system completely free of proprietary > software. Plea

Help me setup home-office hardware with free software

recommendations for reliable hard disks. A combination of SSD/HDD to balance between cost, performance and reliability will probably be best. But I really don’t know much about the hardware. I already have good modular corsair 1200w power-supply. So I’ll put that to use. I need your help

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 09:30:08AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 03 ian 21, 19:53:07, Michael Stone wrote: Applications which need more data integrity guarantees generally implement some sort of journalling and/or use atomic filesystem operations. (E.g., write a temporary file,

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Du, 03 ian 21, 19:53:07, Michael Stone wrote: > > Applications which need more data integrity > guarantees generally implement some sort of journalling and/or use atomic > filesystem operations. (E.g., write a temporary file, flush/sync, > rename--that guarantees either the old file or the new

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Du, 03 ian 21, 13:43:00, David Christensen wrote: > > I would postulate that copy-on-write technology could be/ is already > included in journaling file systems to improve efficiency. Copy-on-write (btrfs, ZFS) is different than journaling (ext4, xfs, etc.). As fas as I understand

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:25:40AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: That would mean all data is written to the disk twice and would make a journaling file system twice as slow compared to a non-journaling file system; the journal is typically on the same storage. That's almost never how it's

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

>> AIUI a journaling filesystem provides a two-step process to achieve atomic >> writes of multiple sectors to disk -- e.g. a process wants to put some data >> into a block here (say, a file), a block there (say, a directory), etc., and >> consistency of the on-disk data structures must be

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On 2021-01-03 01:25, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 02 ian 21, 13:35:06, David Christensen wrote: AIUI a journaling filesystem provides a two-step process to achieve atomic writes of multiple sectors to disk -- e.g. a process wants to put some data into a block here (say, a file), a block there

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Sb, 02 ian 21, 13:35:06, David Christensen wrote: > On 2021-01-02 03:24, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > http://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/battle-testing-data-integrity-verification-with-zfs-btrfs-and-mdadm-dm-integrity.html > > That looks interesting. Thanks for the link. :-) > > > On

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On 2021-01-02 03:24, Andrei POPESCU wrote: http://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/battle-testing-data-integrity-verification-with-zfs-btrfs-and-mdadm-dm-integrity.html That looks interesting. Thanks for the link. :-) On 2021-01-02 08:08, Richard Hector wrote: On 3/01/21 12:24 am, Andrei

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 09:23:02AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Im afraid I have to agree with this advice. In the presence of software > like ZFS (from Sun) and LVM (from IBM's AIX), with easy availability of > NAS, SAN and cloud storage, the arguments in favor of hardware R

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Saturday 02 January 2021 11:08:52 Richard Hector wrote: > On 3/01/21 12:24 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 02 ian 21, 01:40:14, David Christensen wrote: > >> On Linux (including Debian), MD (multiple disk) and LVM (logical > >> volume manager) are the obvious choices for software RAID.

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

gt; availability of NAS, SAN and cloud storage, the arguments in favor of > hardware RAID local to a server become much thinner. What drives that > change is the evolution of hardware and networking, not so much the > software. Both ZFS and LVM are now 20 years old, very mature softwar

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On 3/01/21 12:24 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 02 ian 21, 01:40:14, David Christensen wrote: On Linux (including Debian), MD (multiple disk) and LVM (logical volume manager) are the obvious choices for software RAID. Each have their respective learning curves, but they're not too high.

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

rage, the arguments in favor of hardware RAID local to a server become much thinner. What drives that change is the evolution of hardware and networking, not so much the software. Both ZFS and LVM are now 20 years old, very mature software. Grüße, > Sven. > > -- > Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. > >

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

Steven Mainor wrote: > The idea was to create a large striped raid array(perhaps RAID6) of > spinning disks to use as a large storage area for extra VM backups and > large projects I'm working on. And in the process I could learn more > about RAID controllers. To be honest: RAID controllers

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Sb, 02 ian 21, 01:40:14, David Christensen wrote: > > On Linux (including Debian), MD (multiple disk) and LVM (logical volume > manager) are the obvious choices for software RAID. Each have their > respective learning curves, but they're not too high. An interesting article I stumbled upon:

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

learn more about RAID controllers. But perhaps this would be an opportunity to learn about ZFS or something instead. Hardware vs. software RAID is a complex choice. Each alternative has its benefits and drawbacks. I'd suggest that you STFW for articles that compare and contrast the two for

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

Steven Mainor wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid > controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open > source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. > I recommend installing two controllers

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. Why? What is your computer? What Debian? What Linux? What application(s

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

? --- Steven Mainor On 2021-01-01 15:03, David Christensen wrote: On 2021-01-01 10:06, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

or Ubuntu from a pen-drive) and access data on the "array". And FYI most of the time I would still boot my computer from the single SSD that my OS is installed on. --- Steven Mainor On 2021-01-01 13:06, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hard

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 01:06:47PM -0500, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. Revenue

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On 2021-01-01 10:06, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. Why? What is your computer? What

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

Dan Ritter wrote: > Steven Mainor wrote: >> I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid >> controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open >> source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, >> thanks.

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

On 01.01.2021 23:06, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. Over the years I've been fond of RAID

Re: recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

Steven Mainor wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid > controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source > drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. Having used them for 20+ years now, I strongly

recommendations for supported, affordable hardware raid controller.

I'm looking for recommendations for a 6 or 8 port SATA hardware raid controller that will hopefully be supported by the kernel and/or open source drivers to put in my desktop computer. Any input welcome, thanks. -- Steven Mainor 0x9477C19B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc

Re: question on different hardware

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:03:43 + Semih Ozlem wrote: > Can debian be installed or run from a machine with an intel atom > processor specificall z7320 I don't know about the current ones, but I have an old Acer netbook with a 32-bit N270 Atom which had no problems with Debian. My more recent

Re: question on different hardware

hope - pertinent links: https://www.debian.org/intro/about#hardware https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#idm120 https://www.debian.org/ports/ https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Intel Best regards!

Re: question on different hardware

Probably - I can't find that as an obvious Atom model: do you have any more specifics - how much memory on board? Is this on a mini-ITX or fanless system as an embedded processor? Debian will run on pretty much any 32 bit / 64 bit processor from the last 25 years to some degree. Please be a

question on different hardware

Can debian be installed or run from a machine with an intel atom processor specificall z7320

Re: Very old hardware...

On 7/11/20 7:07 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Wright wrote: My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: > Sorry, "idling" is probably not the best term—I extracted the line > from a spreadsheet of power consumptions for a multitude of different > electronics and electrical appliances. For this PC, it means switched > on, but with only the NIC waiting for a wakeup call. So the

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V > > 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. > I knew some which issued 10 Watts

Re: Very old hardware...

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 davidson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or

Re: Very old hardware...

with the rest of the operating system running as a number of isolated, protected, processes in user mode. It runs on x86 and ARM CPUs, is compatible with NetBSD, and runs thousands of NetBSD packages. You will want to refer to MINIX 3 Hardware Requirements https://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id

Re: Very old hardware...

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Isn't OP's system

Re: Very old hardware...

On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: > > I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or > maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: Very old hardware...

On Saturday, 4 July 2020 15:04:22 -04 Davide Lombardo wrote: > On Friday, 3 July 2020 22:57:06 CEST Charles Curley wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > > > > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz;

Re: Very old hardware...

Hello, On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 07:11:31PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > 128 and 256MB on the Geode - 12 years in service > buster with sysvinit, postfix, openvpn and shorewall I have a Soekris net4801 which is an AMD Geode 266MHz with 128M RAM, put to similar use. I'm going to retire it this month

Re: Very old hardware...

Dan Ritter wrote: > I can point to several VMs that are running useful things on > buster in just over 256MB of RAM -- 384 would provide a fair > amount of headroom. > > nginx and mail and DNS and NTP and so forth, all at once. > > I note that EBay has lots of used 256 and 512MB DDR RAM

Re: Very old hardware...

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:47:19PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > > >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > Buster runs fine without systemd. But probably not in 64 MB.

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. Buster runs fine without systemd. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Very old hardware...

vely parallel, just what you don't want. > If the OP could double the amount of RAM somehow, then it might be able > to run as some sort of minimal server (perhaps a static content web > server), but even then, it wouldn't be worth the time and (literal) > energy it would take. They could

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:19:35 +0200 "0...@caiway.net" <0...@caiway.net> wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > >

Re: Very old hardware...

which is way beyond its end of life. If the OP could double the amount of RAM somehow, then it might be able to run as some sort of minimal server (perhaps a static content web server), but even then, it wouldn't be worth the time and (literal) energy it would take. They could buy modern low-energy-cons

Re: Very old hardware...

Hi, David Wright wrote: > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew some which issued 10 Watts already by noise power and could heat a small sized office room in

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. The loaned Optiplex only holds one—after that, I'm down to an old PATA caddy. 3) There's no WEEE here, so I'm not sure exactly how

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 05:15:58 (+), Long Wind wrote: > On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 12:59:02 PM GMT+8, David Wright > wrote: > > Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk > > when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. > > The loaned

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 12:06:12 (+0200), deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as

Re: Very old hardware...

My DOS/Linux dual-boot at home was constructed from spare parts, including a cast-off Dell motherboard from work that is old enough to support two physical floppy drives (it has a 360k and a 1.44M). It runs IBM PC-DOS 2000 (lightning fast), with DOSSHELL, WordPerfect 5.1, Quattro, and Xerox

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:06 +0200, deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > > I would expect a 700MHz Pentium III to run a 6

Re: Very old hardware...

nnamon may install and run well.  > > I don't > > recommend gnome. > > > > > > +1 > > +1 more > > > I'm just note sure that 64M ram is going to cut it. > > > I saw that you have a DVD, so try a couple of live .iso and see how > they go. > > Morning List, I'd try Devuan on this old hardware, works well for me on old thin clients. David.

Re: Very old hardware...

On 5/7/20 1:50 am, Davide Lombardo wrote: Maybe I can just setup this PC as a Tor's Relay Again, the Pi would likely be better -- Keith Bainbridge keithr...@gmail.com 0447 667468

Re: Very old hardware...

On 4/7/20 12:10 pm, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-07-03 11:58, Michael Stone wrote: > For practical purposes, you'd be better off with a $35 raspberry PI. +1 +1 more iI have a Pi 3b with 1G ram and it does pretty well - even thought I'm used to an i7 with 8G ram and SSD On

Re: Very old hardware...

On 4/7/20 12:08 pm, Kenneth Parker wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jude DaShiell > wrote: Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well.  I don't recommend gnome. +1 +1 more I'm just note sure that 64M ram is going to cut it. I

Re: Very old hardware...

or the current install > >> routine.) OpenBSD or NetBSD or a linux distribution oriented toward > >> small systems would run. Nothing will give you a good experience with a > >> GUI and web browser on that hardware. For practical purposes, you'd be > >> bette

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