Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
pieces. german (and lot of other languages) is more like putty - you mold things together. the lego-like structure of english makes it easier to create a computer language... But what the hell is English about the syntax of, for example, if(isRed(the_fork

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:21:45PM -0700, Tom wrote: I would say isRed(fork) contains an implied [it] and [a]: [it] | is | fork -||-- || \ \ \a \red fork is a predicate

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn what I guess you'd call sentence decomposition. It fundamental to being able to comprehend complex sentences. I don't know about that. Having a mental map of sentences may be fundamental

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn what I guess you'd call sentence decomposition. It fundamental to being able to comprehend complex sentences. I don't know

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread David Jardine
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:32:08PM -0700, Tom wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:21:45PM -0700, Tom wrote: I would say isRed(fork) contains an implied [it] and [a]: [it] | is | fork -||-- |

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:23:13AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: Of course I know it's a fork. It's my paramater and I know what I'm passing. I wouldn't have called it fork otherwise. For the purpose of the discussion, I'll grant you the point. But, clearly a (normal) fork is either red or

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:46, Tom wrote: On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:23:13AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: Of course I know it's a fork. It's my paramater and I know what I'm passing. I wouldn't have called it fork otherwise. For the purpose of the discussion, I'll grant you the point.

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-23 Thread csj
a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy to create english based programming language - the basic control structures are pretty much english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-23 Thread Pigeon
a working language (that's pretty much what BASIC (talking about programming language) is). you can do that in both languages. let's say you have a function called isRed(x) (returns true if x is red). Now how would you call this function in german? it would never be in agreement

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700, Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]: Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet? Narrator: By 1964, experts say man will have established twelve colonies on the moon,

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700, Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]: Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet? Narrator: By 1964, experts say man will have

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:08:42 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700, Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-22 Thread Nori Heikkinen
fairly easy to create english based programming language - the basic control structures are pretty much english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-22 Thread Nori Heikkinen
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:53:34AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: Nori Heikkinen wrote: the two are apples and oranges, my friend, especially when you're dealing with something that no one can have an objective point of view on, given different native languages. ??? you can measure how much

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-22 Thread Vineet Kumar
- the basic control structures are pretty much english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-22 Thread Erik Steffl
Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:53:34AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: Nori Heikkinen wrote: the two are apples and oranges, my friend, especially when you're dealing with something that no one can have an objective point of view on, given different native languages. ??? you can

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 18:24, Vineet Kumar wrote: * csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031018 03:22]: At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned: [snip] ASCII. I'd predict just the opposite of your probably: I think it's

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-22 Thread Erik Steffl
programming language) is). you can do that in both languages. let's say you have a function called isRed(x) (returns true if x is red). Now how would you call this function in german? it would never be in agreement with all possible x (grammatically). not sure if this is the best example

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:44:49 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:05, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Johan Kullstam
-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si instead of if? [snip] You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages is distressing. It would be fun

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Nathan Eric Norman
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed: snip / Red China Communism came from where? ;-) Just to quickly jump in, then back out of this trivial, off-topic polemic: [a] There is not, nor has

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:24, Nathan Eric Norman wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed: snip / Red China Communism came from where? ;-) Just to quickly jump in, then back out of

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:28:12PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:24, Nathan Eric Norman wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed: snip / Red China Communism came

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-21 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]: Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet? Narrator: The moon. For several years, she has fascinated many. But will man ever walk on her fertile surface? [cut to a shot of Adlai Stevenson at some sort of press

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Erik Steffl
csj wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: [...] think about it: when learning english the only challenge is to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you pretty much only need to remember the word itself

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Christoph Simon
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:56:37 -0700 Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: csj wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: [...] think about it: when learning english the only challenge is to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular verbs). you built

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread David Jardine
by neighbouring languages and dialects until there's not much left of it apart from what's really necessary to communicate. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Nori Heikkinen
). good point -- languages by definition evolve, and the notion of a pure language is utterly ridiculous and meaningless. not sure what your agenda is. english is a a lot simpler than german, in what sense? to learn? to master? to write basic sentences in? to write novels in? to read

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread David Jardine
, but this is probably because it is impure in the sense of having been knocked around by neighbouring languages and dialects until there's not much left of it apart from what's really necessary to communicate. you're kidding, right? if i read you right, you're stating that there's not much

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:05, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Erik Steffl
). good point -- languages by definition evolve, and the notion of a pure language is utterly ridiculous and meaningless. not sure what your agenda is. english is a a lot simpler than german, in what sense? to learn? to master? to write basic sentences in? to write novels in? to read novels

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Hans Vogelsberger
Pigeon schrieb: On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: My first language was Serbo-Croatian (Commonly referred to as just Serbian since the war during most of the 90's) I was under the impression that Serbian was written with Roman characters, and Croatian with

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread David Jardine
WHILE SCREAM AT OLD LADY FOR MORE BEER + IF (OLD LADY SCREAMS AT YOU FOR CALLING FOR MORE BEER WHILE YOU HAVE A FULL BOTTLE IN YOUR HAND) ... END IF END IF No, there's not a perfect correlation, and it looks more like COBOL than stack-oriented languages like C/Pascal

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 09:05, David Jardine wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: IF (I LIKE BEER) AND (THERE IS BEER IN THE FRIDGE) THEN GO GET A BUD END IF IF (THE FOOTBALL GAME IS ON TV) THEN TURN ON TV TO ESPN IF (BEER IN HAND) THEN

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pigeon writes: I was under the impression that Serbian was written with Roman characters, and Croatian with Cyrillic, but they were

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 19:25, Tim Connors wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0500: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:54, Chris Roddy wrote: really, the syntax of most programming languages is not very much like english -- english would have us putting the block

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Erik Steffl
in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French is, too, iirc. English has a *lot* of irregularity. german is regular? with each word changing

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Erik Steffl
is a nightmare to behold; there is no nightmare? try to learn (if you don't know already) e.g. slovak (or any of the slavic languages). consistent method of handling verb conjugations, and the structure of a sentence is integral to its meaning; you can't just randomly move words around in an English

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pigeon writes: I was

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Daniel B.
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...

way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-19 Thread Nori Heikkinen
are pretty much english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French is, too, iirc

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:17:53PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:10:38AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned: Two things I love about German: (1) Those

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Michael D Schleif
Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed: snip / Red China Communism came from where? ;-) Just to quickly jump in, then back out of this trivial, off-topic polemic: [a] There is not, nor has there ever been, a Communist government. The Soviet Union, Peoples Republic

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Monique Y. Herman
. Again, regularity vs. simplicity. example: in english, if I know the verb (one word) I can pretty much use it in a sentence. how many forms of each verb in german do you need to know to be able to use it in a sentence? In both languages, if you don't know the conjugation, your

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Daniel B quotes: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 17:03 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: enough as Herrmensch to convince me Adolf would have laughted his ass off. Ummm Herr is like Sir, and mensch is plural of man, I think. Sir man is, pardon the pun, a foreign

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-19 Thread Erik Steffl
structures are pretty much english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French is, too, iirc. English

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:42, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 17:03 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: enough as Herrmensch to convince me Adolf would have laughted his ass off. Ummm Herr is like Sir, and mensch is plural of

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld
Hi, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit. As a small child, I once said Du hast mich wehgetutet. (Instead of wehgetan.) I conjugated the verb improperly, and don't think I've ever been allowed to forget it, even after 20 years! Du hast *mir*

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 23:45 GMT, Viktor Rosenfeld penned: --7fwXp2o0gOrkU5lS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit. As a

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Nori Heikkinen
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:45:21AM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld insinuated: Hi, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit. As a small child, I once said Du hast mich wehgetutet. (Instead of wehgetan.) I conjugated the verb improperly, and don't think I've

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at

Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-19 Thread csj
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: [...] think about it: when learning english the only challenge is to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you pretty much only need to remember the word itself (in its

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread Daniel B.
John, John Hasler wrote: Daniel B quotes: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Daniel writes: So? Nothing in my message attributed anything to you. (Check the indentation level.) Complex indentations are confusing. People assume, not unreasonably, that the presence of someone's name implies the presence of something that person wrote. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread csj
At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:12:22 -0700, Don Werve wrote: [...] The only reason that English-esque languages are prevalent is that, in the early days, most of the programmers were native English speakers, and as such, wrote tools and compilers that best fit their native linguistic models

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread csj
english sentences. This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French is, too, iirc. English has

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: My first language was Serbo-Croatian (Commonly referred to as just Serbian since the war during most of the 90's) I was under the impression that Serbian was written with Roman characters, and Croatian with Cyrillic, but they

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread John Hasler
Pigeon writes: I was under the impression that Serbian was written with Roman characters, and Croatian with Cyrillic, but they were actually the same language, hence Serbo-Croatian. How close to the truth is this? A language is a dialect with its own army and navy. -- John Hasler [EMAIL

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread Ron Johnson
with particles. The only reason that English-esque languages are prevalent is that, in the early days, most of the programmers were native English speakers, and as such, wrote tools and compilers that best fit their native linguistic models. If computerdom had started in Germany, then I'd wager

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread Tim Connors
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0500: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:54, Chris Roddy wrote: really, the syntax of most programming languages is not very much like english -- english would have us putting the block before the for() or if() :-) ... What

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pigeon writes: I was under the impression that Serbian was written with Roman characters, and Croatian with Cyrillic, but they were actually the ..the other way around. same language,

OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Tom
[OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si instead of if? Actually, I'd be highly curious

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Albert Dengg
espacially modifing existing languages to different commands (that is not really a new syntax ...) won't be a good idea: it would make the code unreadable since then it would mean nothing if it is written in c when there are diffrent dialekts for german, french, swiss french, etc... . Even though i do

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Friday 17 October 2003 13:15, Tom wrote: Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? I think parts of the scripting language Microsoft uses in its Office suite are localized. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Friday 17 October 2003 13:15, Tom wrote: Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Well, there is this really cool hack: Lingua::Romana::Perligata Hacking Perl in Latin! Check out http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:28:47PM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 13:15, Tom wrote: Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Well, there is this really cool hack: Lingua::Romana::Perligata Hacking

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 11:15 GMT, Tom penned: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 06:15, Tom wrote: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Dennis Stosberg
Am Fr, den 17.10.2003 schrieb Tom um 13:15: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:15:48AM -0700, Tom wrote: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 11:15 GMT, Tom penned: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Tom
programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si instead of if? [snip] You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages is distressing. It would be fun to code in a language based on a totally

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Dennis Stosberg wrote: But why should anyone want this? --- german.h: #define ganzzahl int #define solange while #define schreibef printf --- test.c: #include stdio.h #include german.h ganzzahl main() { ganzzahl a = 0; solange(a 5) { schreibef(Dies ist Zeile %d\n, a);

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 19:01 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote: You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages is distressing. It would be fun to code in a language based on a totally Distressing What an over

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Deryk Barker
Thus spake Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:15:48AM -0700, Tom wrote: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Erik Steffl
Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 19:01 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote: You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages is distressing. It would be fun to code in a language based on a totally Distressing

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Ron Johnson
languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si instead of if? You could stick #include francais.h in your C source, where francais.h contains: #define pour for #define si if #define casser break or something like

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 19:01 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote: You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages is distressing. It would be fun to code in a language based

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Don Werve
) is actually much more similar to Japanese, where you have an action and the associate data stapled together in pairs, much like Japanese words are (nominally) paired with particles. The only reason that English-esque languages are prevalent is that, in the early days, most of the programmers were

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Monique Y. Herman
languages that has more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar). Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French is, too, iirc. English has a *lot* of irregularity. -- monique Unless you need to share ultra-sensitive

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 23:09 GMT, Ron Johnson penned: Can't disagree with you there. Have you tried functional lan- guages like Haskell? They are pretty odd to programmers with procedural and OO paradigms. I learned about lisp and prolog in college, and used them for projects then. I

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Chris Roddy
a computer works at the low level (e.g., assembler and/or machine code) is actually much more similar to Japanese, where you have an action and the associate data stapled together in pairs, much like Japanese words are (nominally) paired with particles. The only reason that English-esque languages

Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-17 Thread Alex Malinovich
at the low level (e.g., assembler and/or machine code) is actually much more similar to Japanese, where you have an action and the associate data stapled together in pairs, much like Japanese words are (nominally) paired with particles. The only reason that English-esque languages

how do i switch languages with ispell??

2003-09-16 Thread Bruno Boettcher
Hello i have to check texts in my 3 motherlanguages (de,fr,it)... at the moment i reinstall the package ispell each time i have a bunch in another language to check.. this isn't very practical how come that the dictionaries can't coexist??? what is the purpose to have a script to change the

Re: how do i switch languages with ispell??

2003-09-16 Thread Torsten Reuss
. Or does it really uninstall other languages when you install a new one? This would mean there is a bug in the packaging in unstable. Regards, Torsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: can see almost all languages in mozilla

2003-08-17 Thread Dan Jacobson
Ladislav apt-get install ttf-baekmuk should solve your problem. OK, now looking at Japanese, I occasionally notice boxes with 9A28, 6CA2, etc. I must be missing a few chars. What would the mozilla user of today be sure to have apt-gotten in order to be prepared for almost any language? Do I

Re: can see almost all languages in mozilla

2003-08-14 Thread Ladislav Bodnar
On Friday 08 August 2003 09:15, Dan Jacobson wrote: Everything is hunky dory, except the Korean (Hangul), I see squares with hex in them for the #54620;#44397;#50612; Did I forget to apt-get something, or is Mozilla Debian Package 1.3.1-3 deficient? (I would upgrade and check again, but I'm

Re: can see almost all languages in mozilla

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
read those languages even when displayed correctly. Ignore this if you can read those languages. Did I forget to apt-get something, or is Mozilla Debian Package 1.3.1-3 deficient? (I would upgrade and check again, but I'm on a modem.) It's going to be one of the ttf-fonts or xfonts packages

can see almost all languages in mozilla

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Jacobson
Looking at the bottom of http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ I see the names of various languages in their native fashion. Everything is hunky dory, except the Korean (Hangul), I see squares with hex in them for the #54620;#44397;#50612; Did I forget to apt-get something, or is Mozilla Debian Package

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-12 Thread Stephen Patterson
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:50:19 +0200, Kirk Strauser wrote: Have you noticed any performance improvement? I've recently been profiling a PS/PCL printer from windows (so shoot me :) and there's about a 40% reduction in transmitted print job size using PostScript rather than PCL. -- Stephen

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-12 Thread Alan Shutko
Stephen Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've recently been profiling a PS/PCL printer from windows (so shoot me :) and there's about a 40% reduction in transmitted print job size using PostScript rather than PCL. What about print time? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks.

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-12 Thread Stephen Patterson
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:10:13 +0200, Alan Shutko wrote: Stephen Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've recently been profiling a PS/PCL printer from windows (so shoot me :) and there's about a 40% reduction in transmitted print job size using PostScript rather than PCL. What about print

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-12 Thread Allan Wind
On 2003-06-13 01:10:57, Stephen Patterson wrote: Turns out the test PC was running across a ciscow router at a healthy 6 KBytes/sec (and this is on a 10/100 network). Seen this with sun boxes auto-negotiating a different speed than the (cisco) switch, in which the standard treatment is to

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-11 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2003-06-11T04:07:01Z, Andrew Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 45 TrueType, 35 PostScript®, 4 international No - a postscript document will send its own as needed. Out of curiosity, why can't I print non-western pages from Mozilla to my 1200SE in Postscript mode? Since I've never had

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-11 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:29:28 -0500 Kirk Strauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2003-06-11T04:07:01Z, Andrew Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 45 TrueType, 35 PostScript®, 4 international No - a postscript document will send its own as needed. Out of curiosity, why can't I print

Re: [OT] Printer Languages

2003-06-11 Thread Andrew Perrin
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Kirk Strauser wrote: is it worthwhile to upgrade the RAM for light printing duties? No. I disagree. I was able to buy a 3rd-party 64MB module for about $25. At that price, why not? -- Have you noticed any performance improvement?

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