Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-30 Thread ajh-valmer
On Friday 29 December 2023 09:33:52 Pierre Malard wrote: > Personnellement toutes mes VM tournent sous formatage GPT et sans UEFI mais > cela ne fait pas de différences. Effectivement il suffit d?une petite > partition au début d?environ 1 Mo non formatée mais avec le flag > « bios-grub ». > Pour

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-29 Thread Eric DEGENETAIS
bonjour, Le ven. 29 déc. 2023 à 09:34, Pierre Malard a écrit : > > Le 28 déc. 2023 à 14:38, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > > > Ok, j'attends avec impatience : > > "le mécanisme d'amorçage compatible avec le mode legacy BIOS". > > Merci d’avance. > > Bonjour, > > Personnellement toutes mes VM tournent

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-29 Thread Pierre Malard
Le 28 déc. 2023 à 14:38, ajh-valmer a écrit : > >> Le jeu. 28 déc. 2023 à 12:44, ajh-valmer a écrit : >>> J'ai vérifié, le répertoire /boot contient bien tous les fichiers : >>> System.map-5.10.0-21-amd64 >>> config-5.10.0-21-amd64 >>> initrd.img-5.10.0-21-amd64 >>> vmlinuz-5.10.0-21-amd64 >>>

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-28 Thread ajh-valmer
> Le jeu. 28 déc. 2023 à 12:44, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > J'ai vérifié, le répertoire /boot contient bien tous les fichiers : > > System.map-5.10.0-21-amd64 > > config-5.10.0-21-amd64 > > initrd.img-5.10.0-21-amd64 > > vmlinuz-5.10.0-21-amd64 > > Quid ? Serait-ce le partitionnement 'hd1,gpt1' ? >

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-28 Thread Eric DEGENETAIS
Le jeu. 28 déc. 2023 à 12:44, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > Hello, > bonjour > > J'ai vérifié, le répertoire /boot contient bien tous les fichiers : > System.map-5.10.0-21-amd64 > config-5.10.0-21-amd64 > initrd.img-5.10.0-21-amd64 > vmlinuz-5.10.0-21-amd64 > > Quid ? Serait-ce le partitionnement

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-28 Thread ajh-valmer
Hello, Je reviens sur mon problème de boot. Il y avait un mauvais UUID dans "grub.cfg". Ça boote sans problème sur le 1er disque dur sda2 (hd0,msdos2). Le boot sur le 2ème, sdb1, estampillé set root='hd1,gpt1', je reçois immédiatement ce message : "Erreur, /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-21-amd64 non

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-27 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 27 décembre 2023 Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : > Toutefois, sur Debian ou Ubuntu le fichier de configuration de grub (à savoir > /boot/grub/grub.cfg ) est la plupart du temps généré par l'utilitaire > grub-mkconfig (un script shell) En général on utilise la commande update-grub qui

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-27 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On 12/26/23 14:36, ajh-valmer wrote: On Monday 25 December 2023 11:08:10 benoit wrote: Pourquoi Debian et d'autres distributions ont abandonné lilo au profit de GRUB? Il me semble (mais à vérifier) que lilo avait ses limites, le secteur d’amorçage(MBR) ne pouvait s’adresser qu’à une

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-26 Thread didier gaumet
Le 26/12/2023 à 14:36, ajh-valmer a écrit : Lilo a été mis de côté pour de bonnes raisons, mais Grub a beaucoup de défauts. Le principal est la configuration de partitions qui contiennent des n° UUID différents à l'intérieur de leur paragraphe concerné : obligation de corriger ces n° UUID à la

Re: [HS] Lilo (et Grub)

2023-12-26 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 25 December 2023 11:08:10 benoit wrote: > > Pourquoi Debian et d'autres distributions ont abandonné lilo > > au profit de GRUB? > Il me semble (mais à vérifier) que lilo avait ses limites, le secteur > d’amorçage(MBR) ne pouvait s’adresser qu’à une partition primair

Re: [HS] Lilo

2023-12-24 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 24 décembre 2023 Alex PADOLY a écrit : > Pourquoi Debian et d'autres distributions ont abandonné lilo au profit de > GRUB? grub apportait (apporte ?) plus de possibilités. Je crois notamment qu'un beau boot graphique (avec un logo...) n'était pas possible avec lilo? Est-ce que ça

Re: [HS] Lilo

2023-12-24 Thread didier gaumet
Le 24/12/2023 à 05:29, Alex PADOLY a écrit : Bonjour à tous, J'ai participé hier à une install party ou nous avons installé la dernière version de SLACKWARE, j'ai été très surpris que cette distribution propose comme gestionnaire d'amorçage lilo. La première version de Debian que j'ai

Re : [HS] Lilo

2023-12-23 Thread nicolas . patrois
On 24/12/2023 05:29:44, Alex PADOLY wrote: > Bonjour à tous, > J'ai participé hier à une install party ou nous avons installé la > dernière version de SLACKWARE, j'ai été très surpris que cette > distribution propose comme gestionnaire d'amorçage lilo. > La première version de

[HS] Lilo

2023-12-23 Thread Alex PADOLY
Bonjour à tous, J'ai participé hier à une install party ou nous avons installé la dernière version de SLACKWARE, j'ai été très surpris que cette distribution propose comme gestionnaire d'amorçage lilo. La première version de Debian que j'ai installée (Potato) proposait lilo. Pourquoi

Re: booting Debian default kernel with lilo results in kernel panic

2021-06-30 Thread Anssi Saari
Fourhundred Thecat <400the...@gmx.ch> writes: > How can I boot Debian kernel with lilo? I have a vague memory you may need to specify root option per image in lilo.conf. From my ancient lilo.conf: # Jessie stock kernel image = /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 label = "Jessie&quo

booting Debian default kernel with lilo results in kernel panic

2021-06-29 Thread Fourhundred Thecat
Hello, On Debian 10, I am using custom kernel, with lilo boot loader. Now I want to boot the default Debian distribution kernel. I have installed the debian kernel image: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 and added the entry to /etc/lilo.conf. Now my lilo.conf looks like this: https

Re: Runnlevels are not entered (LILO prompt)

2018-06-11 Thread Reco
+0300, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > >> Good day, > > >> > > >> I run Stretch on my Laptop with sysvinit. > > >> > > >> I had setup some profiles and tried to start them by passing 2, 3, > > >> 4, 5 at the end of the Kerne

Re: Runnlevels are not entered (LILO prompt)

2018-06-10 Thread Reco
n my Laptop with sysvinit. > >> > >> I had setup some profiles and tried to start them by passing 2, 3, > >> 4, 5 at the end of the Kernel commandline (I use LILO) but the > >> appropriated runnlevel ist not entered. > >> > >> Do I mis someth

Re: Runnlevels are not entered (LILO prompt)

2018-06-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
2, 3, >> 4, 5 at the end of the Kernel commandline (I use LILO) but the >> appropriated runnlevel ist not entered. >> >> Do I mis something? > > Whatever you did to LILO you did it wrong. I have this parameter in "append" of each kernel section since ages! to be mo

Re: Runnlevels are not entered (LILO prompt)

2018-06-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 02:25:30PM +0300, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Good day, > > I run Stretch on my Laptop with sysvinit. > > I had setup some profiles and tried to start them by passing 2, 3, > 4, 5 at the end of the Kernel commandline (I use LILO) but

Runnlevels are not entered (LILO prompt)

2018-06-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Good day, I run Stretch on my Laptop with sysvinit. I had setup some profiles and tried to start them by passing 2, 3, 4, 5 at the end of the Kernel commandline (I use LILO) but the appropriated runnlevel ist not entered. Do I mis something? Since systemd anything is screwed up und nothing

Re: New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-12 Thread deloptes
Bill Brelsford wrote: > Lilo has always met my needs well, so, although I've considered > grub, I've never felt the need to switch.  But it was one of the > next steps I was considering in this case -- especially if the > problem turned out to be lilo. if there was no need grub wou

Re: New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-12 Thread Bill Brelsford
On Fri Oct 13 2017 at 01:20 AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Bill Brelsford wrote: > > > This doesn't explain why I got the EBDA message in the first place, > > but all is working now.. > > once again the question: why not use grub? Lilo has always met my needs well, so,

Re: New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-12 Thread deloptes
Bill Brelsford wrote: > This doesn't explain why I got the EBDA message in the first place, > but all is working now.. once again the question: why not use grub?

Re: New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-12 Thread Bill Brelsford
On Mon Oct 09 2017 at 12:50 AM +0200, Bill Brelsford wrote: > After the stretch 9.2 kernel upgrade to 4.9.0-4, lilo gives, at > boot, "EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" > and freezes. Problem solved. This is a dual-boot system, with the Win 10 bootloa

Re: New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-09 Thread deloptes
Bill Brelsford wrote: > Suggestions? grub

New stretch kernel: lilo boot fails with "EBDA is big" message

2017-10-08 Thread Bill Brelsford
After the stretch 9.2 kernel upgrade to 4.9.0-4, lilo gives, at boot, "EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" and freezes. Steps: - After upgrading, I installed irqbalance before re-booting. - Lilo then gave "Loading linux" followed

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-30 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 01/14/2017 05:38 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05, Richard Owlett wrote: On 1/14/2017 8:45 AM, Miroslav Skoric wrote: Hello all, Intro: I have been using LILO for ages. Now running Wheezy 7.11 LTS. As usual and for test purposes on older machines I have two kernel

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-19 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017, at 20:49, Stephen Powell wrote: > > ... > The first two "image" entries define the standard "most recent" and > "next-most recent" kernels and don't need to be messed with, provided > that the standard symbolic link names are being maintained by > "do_symlinks = yes" in

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017, at 20:49, Stephen Powell wrote: > ... > One such program, memtest86+, provides a stand-alone memory testing > program built to resemble a Linux kernel, so that Linuxboot loaders > think it is a Linux kernel and will load it like one (the entire boot image is > loaded, not

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 11:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > > If there are special kernels that you want to be able to boot which are > outside > the normal "last two", then you must manually edit /etc/lilo.conf to provide > the capability to boot this kernel, then run lil

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-14 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 1/14/2017 8:45 AM, Miroslav Skoric wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Intro: I have been using LILO for ages. Now running Wheezy 7.11 > > LTS. As usual and for test purposes on older machines I have two > >

Re: Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 1/14/2017 8:45 AM, Miroslav Skoric wrote: Hello all, Intro: I have been using LILO for ages. Now running Wheezy 7.11 LTS. As usual and for test purposes on older machines I have two kernel flavours: 486 and 686-rt. In LILO boot menu they appear as Linux486 and Linux686 (before renaming

Recreating a second boot kernel in LILO

2017-01-14 Thread Miroslav Skoric
Hello all, Intro: I have been using LILO for ages. Now running Wheezy 7.11 LTS. As usual and for test purposes on older machines I have two kernel flavours: 486 and 686-rt. In LILO boot menu they appear as Linux486 and Linux686 (before renaming they were Linux and LinuxOLD). Both work nice

UEFI bootloaders (was: Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?)

2016-07-10 Thread Joel Roth
There has been some mention of booting UEFI systems in this thread. This appears to be a comprehensive resource: http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html Many bootloaders are covered, and the author also mentions his own project, rEFInd http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ cheers, --

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Brian
es which can be preseeded. > > I find Debian documentation to frequently resemble the early _CPM-80 > Manual_. It's all there but finding it can me daunting. The template files in the udebs are the definitive source for preseed options. Some of them interact with each, requiring care and testing i

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 7/9/2016 4:00 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] What I'd like to find which I've had no luck with so far, is finding a Debian installer cmdline option to skip the waste of time that is installation of any bootloader. My disks get generic MBR code and Grub installed by me before any OS gets

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 03:31, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > AFAICS, elilo is not available any more in stretch and sid. > I'm sorry to hear that. I don't have any UEFI-based systems right now, so it's not an issue for me -- yet. But it may be someday. On the other hand, CSM-less UEFI systems

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Brian
On Sun 10 Jul 2016 at 10:31:38 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 11:15:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > This is a common misconception. Debian is about providing the best free > > operating system possible. > > In your humble opinion. > > (sorry, I know I'm

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 11:15:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > This is a common misconception. Debian is about providing the best free > operating system possible. In your humble opinion. (sorry, I know I'm feeding it, but I couldn't resist). -

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 09/07/2016 à 22:41, Stephen Powell a écrit : So I'm not concerned about it's maintenance status. As long as there are PCs with a BIOS, or a CSM, lilo will remain usable. If the BIOS/CSM goes, lilo goes with it. lilo can't function without a BIOS/CSM. But for UEFI-only systems, there's

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 09/07/2016 à 22:00, Brian a écrit : All well and good but the installer inexplicably offers a choice between GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A newcomer wouldn't have a clue. We do them no service with this retrograde offering. Get rid of it. What

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-10 Thread Joel Roth
Stephen Powell wrote: > As far as LILO being unmaintained is concerned, I wouldn't be too concerned > about that. I've been thinking about offering to maintain it myself. I > haven't > heard from Joachim lately. Maybe I'll drop him another line. I think LILO is an important p

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
nment" in tasksel, I get an xfce desktop instead of a gnome3 desktop. Perhaps the boot loader choice could be handled in a similar fashion. Something like expert desktop=xfce bootloader=lilo with the defaults being gnome3 and grub2, respectively. (Dare I suggest adding initsystem=sys

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Brian composed on 2016-07-09 21:00 (UTC+0100): ...the installer inexplicably offers a choice between GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A newcomer wouldn't have a clue. We do them no service with this retrograde offering. Get rid of it. Probably a Bad idea

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 16:41:24 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 16:00, Brian wrote: > > > > All well and good but the installer inexplicably offers a choice between > > GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A > > ne

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 22:05:45 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 09/07/2016 à 22:00, Brian a écrit : > > > > What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for > > Debian and has many advantages over LILO in todayss Linux ecosystem. > > People who

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
oles are used. But, strictly speaking, you're right. LILO appends options supplied on the command line to options specified in the "append" configuration file statement, it does not replace them. > > What I'd like to find which I've had no luck with so far, is finding a Debian >

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 16:00, Brian wrote: > > All well and good but the installer inexplicably offers a choice between > GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A > newcomer wouldn't have a clue. We do them no service with this retrograde > of

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Erwan David composed on 2016-07-09 22:05 (UTC+0200): Brian composed: What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for Debian... What is the point of a choice, just use the windows provided with your PC... :-D Linux and debian is just about choice given to the

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 13:19 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Erwan David
Le 09/07/2016 à 22:00, Brian a écrit : > > What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for > Debian and has many advantages over LILO in todayss Linux ecosystem. > People who have a great desire to use LILO can search it out. > > Unmaintained in Debian,

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 13:19:08 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 10:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): > > > >> As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. > > > > One feature

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 10:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): > >> As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. > > One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux, is the > ability to edit the k

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux, is the ability to edit the kernel cmdline at boot time, before kernel load. With problematic hardware

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016, at 20:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-07 20:30 (UTC-0400): > > > If your system has a BIOS and a traditional DOS-style partition table, > > there's no reason not to use LILO, unless you just don't want to. > > Or, if you

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Gary Dale
On 08/07/16 07:06 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 18:13:01 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/07/16 02:19 PM, Brian wrote: If you have some way of easily adjusting files in /etc/grub.d to the needs of a user I wish you would say. So that's the problem. You never took the time to RTFM. See

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Brian
On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 18:13:01 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > >>On 08/07/16 02:19 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >If you have some way of easily adjusting files in /etc/grub.d to the > >needs of a user I wish you would say. > So that's the problem. You never took the time to RTFM. See >

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Brian
On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 16:57:30 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 21:16:00 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > Stop moaning. Do it or file file a bug, Then stop moaning and do it. > > I'm the person without a complaint about Grub2, not the one moaning. Apologies. I was intending to

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Gary Dale
:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more than just

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread David Wright
wrote: > > > > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > > > > >>On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > >>>On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > > > > >>>>The big sell

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Brian
wrote: > > > >>On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > >>>On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > > > >>>>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > > > >>>>updated eac

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Brian
; >>> > >>>>On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > >>>>>On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > >>>>>>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>>>>>updated each time

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread David Wright
t; >>>On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > > >>>>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > > >>>>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside > > >>>>with Grub 2. Now

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Gary Dale
selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more than just Linux. I guess I don't know what you mean by "update". If I change the contents o

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread Brian
wrote: > >>>>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>>>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside > >>>>with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more > >>>>tha

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
Gary Dale composed on 2016-07-07 14:39 (UTC-0400): It also has a "rescue shell" that I've never been able to do anything useful with. When grub fails, I boot from a rescue cd instead. That way I get a real working environment. The Grub shell works the same whether in boot rescue mode or run

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 07/07/16 05:12 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, July 07, 2016 09:03:38 PM David Wright wrote: > The most modern fdisk program I have is gdisk (for GPT disks) and it > counts partitions from 1. Is there some newfangled disk subsystem > that's passed me by which starts counting at zero? I guess it still confuses me, but maybe I have

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
> rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2016-07-07 18:47 (UTC-0400): > >The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted > >disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start > >counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux st

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-07 20:30 (UTC-0400): If your system has a BIOS and a traditional DOS-style partition table, there's no reason not to use LILO, unless you just don't want to. Or, if you like to be able to boot without hunting down rescue media even though you forgot

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016, at 10:57, Giovanni Gigante wrote: > > At the end, I decided to try the upgrade to jessie with LiLo (24.1) in > place. I thought that the probability of hitting some bug caused by the > interaction between LiLo and the upgraded distribution was less than the

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2016-07-07 18:47 (UTC-0400): The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux start counting at 0

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 05:47 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 05:47 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread rhkramer
I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > >>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>updated each time you c

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 01:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > >>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>updated each time you c

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside > with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more > than just Linux

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 05/07/16 09:38 AM, Giovanni Gigante wrote: Hello, I am preparing my system for the upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Since ancient ages, this system has been using LILO as the bootloader, because, long ago, it was the only bootloader that was recommended for my setup: this machine has two

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
but (for me) wonderfully unusable. > > Now don't get me wrong: without Grub, my box wouldn't boot, and chances > are that the "legacy" emulation of whatever monster bios is in there > is so buggy that Lilo wouldn't cope: therefore I am still full of thanks > and praise for th

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Giovanni Gigante
Brian wrote: Giovanni Gigante seems happy enough with LiLo and there appears to be no definite indication that it would fail to boot an upgraded machine. He could consider leaving it in place, reading the bug reports and having a plan to install GRUB should something go wrong afterwards

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
most of the files in /etc/grub.d are not something I would recommend for bedtime reading. > And please, again: the fact that I disagree with some Grub design > decisions shouldn't detract from the fact that I have utmost > respect for the Grub developers and packagers. Their hard work, &

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 11:32:42AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. > > > > :-)

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. > > :-) +1! It doesn't need to be penetrable, does it? The generated grub.cfg just needs to boot the machine. In any

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. :-) +1! Lisi

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread tomas
box wouldn't boot, and chances are that the "legacy" emulation of whatever monster bios is in there is so buggy that Lilo wouldn't cope: therefore I am still full of thanks and praise for the Grub authors for their hard work. Still I do disagree on many of its design principles. Regards - -- to

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > YMMV, I find it impenetrable. I'm assuming you mean the generated configuration? It's literally just some boilerplate for fancy splash screens, and then menu entries. Each entry containing appropriate module loading, root configuration, kernel and

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 04:46:32PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 05 Jul 2016, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > I finally switched to Jessie (but still using SysV Init) a few months > > ago. This box and its predecessors have uses lilo (and SysV Init) > > since Bo was a pup.

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I finally switched to Jessie (but still using SysV Init) a few months > ago. This box and its predecessors have uses lilo (and SysV Init) > since Bo was a pup. I have yet to see any real reason to switch from > lilo to grub. I have never h

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-05 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 07/05/2016 10:10 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 05 Jul 2016, Giovanni Gigante wrote: I am preparing my system for the upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Since ancient ages, this system has been using LILO as the bootloader, because, long ago, it was the only bootloader that was recommended

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016, Giovanni Gigante wrote: > I am preparing my system for the upgrade from wheezy to jessie. > Since ancient ages, this system has been using LILO as the bootloader, > because, long ago, it was the only bootloader that was recommended for my > setup: this machine

reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-05 Thread Giovanni Gigante
Hello, I am preparing my system for the upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Since ancient ages, this system has been using LILO as the bootloader, because, long ago, it was the only bootloader that was recommended for my setup: this machine has two SATA disks in a software RAID 1 &

Re: [OT] El desarrollo de LILO se detiene

2016-01-09 Thread Camaleón
El 2016-01-08 a las 15:44 -0300, alparkom . escribió: (rescato y corrijo) > El día 8 de enero de 2016, 15:41, Camaleón <noela...@gmail.com> escribió: > > Hola, > > > > Pues eso, parece que el desarrollador de LILO deja de hacerse cargo del > > mantenimiento del g

[OT] El desarrollo de LILO se detiene

2016-01-08 Thread Camaleón
Hola, Pues eso, parece que el desarrollador de LILO deja de hacerse cargo del mantenimiento del gestor de arranque¹. La verdad es que se trata de uno de esos programas que nunca me he planteado cambiar, primero porque cuando se es novato lo último que se te pasa por la cabeza es ponerte

Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

2014-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 23 Apr 2014, at 17:33, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: However, a lot of experienced Linux users prefer Syslinux. I'd like to revisit syslinux at some point. It works well on boot USBs etc. Add my voice to the chorus of folks not happy with grub2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

2014-04-24 Thread Kruppt
other things. With gui, splash screens, frame-buffers, and all sorts of other gobblty-gook. I considered going back to LILO, but it still has no understanding of filesystems: It's easy to bork and hard to fix. Not as hard as Grub 2 though. Is there a simpler bootloader that works with Linux? I

Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

2014-04-24 Thread maderios
On 04/23/2014 06:18 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Now, with grub 2, I need to be an expert on seven or so files that get processed into one big one, which acts as the config. I don't mind Hi You need to edit only one file: /etc/default/grub Then update-grub and it works... -- Maderios -- To

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