Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-20 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 17.01.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Is there any computer able to produce just a simple pop song that reaches the top ten? A computer is able to produce a jazz, rock, classical style song, but not able to touch human emotions. Artificial Intelligence

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 01/20/2014 05:20 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 17.01.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: A computer is able to produce a jazz, rock, classical style song, but not able to touch human emotions. Artificial Intelligence needs Artificial Emotions. It was in

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the millstone granting a better flour quality than

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 ian 14, 22:53:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I agree, but they will kill you and now me too, because you mentioned that. Sexuality is a taboo! It's evil, it doesn't exist in the clean computer world! Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people reading debian-user, but

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 04:47:24AM -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor

Acceptable on list? was: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 18 January 2014 09:45:29 Andrei POPESCU wrote: Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people reading debian-user, but there is a good chance that it is not appropriate for at least some readers. Sexuality is not taboo. But it seems to me that detailed descriptions

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 23:42:41 -0800 Chris Bannister wrote Just a bit of advice, if it's not NSFW why on earth do you think it's OK on this list? Do you say what ever you like to your mother or anyone you meet? Yeah, and that bitch (and the rest of them) don't much appreciate

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Actually, yes it does. All humans have the capacitor to be. explore some of the many science and general science text on human brain function and you will find some rich support. The capacitor to be, however each creative effort is as unique as your DNA. This is not philosophy, its physics.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread cletusjenkins
I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just in all situations neither is the best. You said in another reply that we haven't created a computer that can create as we do, What do yo mean we? Just because one person is a good musician doesn't mean we are. Just because one person is a

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Go Linux
Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading this thread days ago . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 18/01/14 20:24, Go Linux wrote: Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading this thread days ago . +1, but ... How then are you able to respond to it? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Joel Rees
Capacitor? On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Actually, yes it does. All humans have the capacitor to be. explore some of the many science and general science text on human brain function and you will find some rich support. The capacitor to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/19/14, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: On 18/01/14 20:24, Go Linux wrote: Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading this thread days ago . +1 We owe it to others on our list, to post all our OT type replies To:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:42:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 15:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? I doubt that it would

Re: Acceptable on list? was: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 02:34:18PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 18 January 2014 09:45:29 Andrei POPESCU wrote: Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people reading debian-user, but there is a good chance that it is not appropriate for at least some readers.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/17/14, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:29 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: Yet another read: http://www.g4ilo.com/linux.html So what? I bought a professional sound card, that should work with Linux, but it doesn't, it does perfectly work on Windows XP.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 ian 14, 14:29:55, Ma Xiaojun wrote: Yet another read: http://www.g4ilo.com/linux.html , | This software is Windows-only, does not run under wine, and an email to | the manufacturer asking for details of the communication protocol so I | could write my own went unanswered. Not the

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ma Xiaojun writes: Yet another read: http://www.g4ilo.com/linux.html Awesome! The truth incarnate! WILMAA! The trashcaan! That post is about the experience of a single man, the weight against the whole mankind is about 1.25e-10 to 1. Has that man the right to use XP? According to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 19:13 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: _Every_ generalisation is _always_ wrong :) Ok, I agree :). My statements are in a context, so I guess most people will understand, even if they should disagree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 10:26 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: In the long term the support he gets from XP could become worse than the support supplied by GNU/Linux. It does not seem wise to me. There are some cracked XP and 98 se versions out there, that are as good as FreeBSD and Linux for

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 10:26 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: In the long term the support he gets from XP could become worse than the support supplied by GNU/Linux. It does not seem wise to me. There are some cracked XP and 98 se

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 10:26 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: In the long term the support he gets from XP could become worse than the support supplied by GNU/Linux. It does not seem wise to me. There are some cracked XP and 98 se versions out there, that are as

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:57 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: I heard about some doubts about TrueCrypt... Encryption doesn't work, when there is already a backdoor before the encryption takes place. For FLOSS operating systems it's hard to place such a backdoor, for closed operating systems from

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 13:07 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: But these, sure as hell, aren't sold in grocery stores. Correct! And I suspect that it isn't allowed to sell and buy a good knife in Germany anymore My father, a gifted

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 17 Jan 05:15 -0600, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The advantage of Windows over Debian is hardware support and that more people get payed for writing software for exotic usages, such as audio and video editing. In amateur radio circles there is a constant warning against USB to serial dongles

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Denis Witt
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:58:11 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: a good knife isn't produced by a computer controlled machine, but handcrafted by a craftsman. But this isn't because a machine can't do the work of a good craftsman (in some cases today, and in almost any in the

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 07:02 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: I still see the glass as half full :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the millstone granting a better flour quality than you can with dozens of human workers doing the same. I

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 21:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 22:02 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 21:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? The mechanically wound coil is more precise! Don't underestimate human touch. The human brain

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 13:14 -0800, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? The mechanically wound coil is more

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 22:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 13:14 -0800, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 1/17/2014 4:14 PM, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? The mechanically wound coil is more precise! Don't

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread John Hasler
Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? I doubt that it would in a double-blind experiment. The mechanically wound coil is more precise! The mechanically wound coil could easily be made precisely as imprecise

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:21:49 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Living beings are able to self-repair, to eat and to produce the needed energy for doing some work. You only need to interrupt electrical power given by humans, to kill a machine. I'm not

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 16:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And the only complex machine that can be reproduced by unskilled labor! Yesno, we need to be able to interact with other humans, in the real world! ... to reproduce ourself ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 15:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? I doubt that it would in a double-blind experiment. But your doubts are wrong, it was done a trillion times :p.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:33:31 -0800 Jerry Stuckle wrote And the only complex machine that can be reproduced by unskilled labor! Jerry And not only that, it is in fact quite fun and enjoyable to make people. While I enjoy tinkering with my computers, it was more

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 13:38 -0800, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:21:49 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote Living beings are able to self-repair, to eat and to produce the needed energy for doing some work. You only need to interrupt

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 13:47 -0800, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:33:31 -0800 Jerry Stuckle wrote And the only complex machine that can be reproduced by unskilled labor! Jerry And not only that, it is in fact quite fun and enjoyable to make

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Karen Lewellen
well, I have no children, but the making process is indeed far more fun then putting my hands inside a box. And consider all the wonderfully imaginative and beautiful human art that results? Computer cases seem so...bland by comparison with say George Clooney packages.Kare On Fri, 17 Jan

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 16:53 -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: Computer cases seem so...bland by comparison with say George Clooney packages. Women?! As a heterosexual man now I have to disagree, I prefer the sexy body of my female computer case compared to the odd shape of George Clooney. Karen,

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Karen Lewellen
Have you seen the movie her? one person's case is another person's preference! smiles. Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 16:53 -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: Computer cases seem so...bland by comparison with say George Clooney packages. Women?! As a

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:53:20 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote I agree, but they will kill you and now me too, because you mentioned that. Sexuality is a taboo! It's evil, it doesn't exist in the clean computer world! Any computer sufficiently complex to be

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +,

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM, cletusjenkins cletusjenk...@zoho.com wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:53:20 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote I agree, but they will kill you and now me too, because you mentioned that. Sexuality is a taboo! It's evil, it doesn't

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 09:43:10PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:10:32PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 22:02 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 21:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:42:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 15:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? I doubt that it would in a double-blind

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Karen Lewellen
..besides, the film I referenced her, is all about a sensing computer who trust me has no problem with sexuality. Kare On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, cletusjenkins wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:53:20 -0800 Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote I agree, but they will kill you and

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
:(. But lets end this discussion. Computers are good and lets continue complaining sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit, just because some humans won't understand the limits of computers. :( Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 07:45:04PM +0200, Cristian Baboi wrote: În data de Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:36:09 +0200, Iain M Conochie Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blowus all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. There would not be

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:13:17PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Certainly humans have technology, and gadgets, and technological power (awesome chariots, ... Mmmm, so the last chariot I saw wasn't on Ben Hur? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/18/14, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:13:17PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Certainly humans have technology, and gadgets, and technological power (awesome chariots, ... Mmmm, so the last chariot I saw wasn't on Ben Hur? Yes, definitely, and

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:38:08PM -0800, cletusjenkins wrote: I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just in all situations neither is the best. You said in another reply that we haven't created a computer that can create as we do, What do yo mean we? Just because one person is a good

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32:07AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: As food for thought, it seems to me that the other problem, while I assume it's the one you reference in your comment about rules, involves principles of human condition which parallel the computer security problem. If you don't see

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 1/18/14, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:13:17PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Certainly humans have technology, and gadgets, and technological power (awesome chariots, ... Mmmm, so

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 16 ian 14, 11:38:01, Robert Brockway wrote: FWIW I expect yet another disruptive technology to come along soon. I very much doubt we'll be using a single finger or thumb to type on small mobile screens to get anything done in 10 years time. I agree. Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 ian 14, 16:53:15, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: Computers are cheap crap because they can be made to be cheap crap. The production proces permits this. Of course it does, as it is possible to make knifes that don't cut (not sharpened, bad quality steel, etc.). IMNSHO the problem is with

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Andrei POPESCU writes: On Mi, 15 ian 14, 16:53:15, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: Computers are cheap crap because they can be made to be cheap crap. The production proces permits this. Of course it does, as it is possible to make knifes that don't cut (not sharpened, bad quality

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 January 2014 02:06:23 Ma Xiaojun wrote: I guess Unix junkie can claim xterms with whatever window manager a desktop. You are being hamstrung by your own definition of desktop. It's basic meaning is something (in this case a computer) that sits on top of your desk. It does not

corrigendum: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 January 2014 09:37:21 Lisi Reisz wrote: It's basic meaning Ouch! Its basic meaning -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/16/14, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jarth Berilcosm ja...@yahoo.com wrote: Looking back on using Linux as a desktop OS for almost 15 years we've seen tons of features added but not much in terms of 'bite'. Also, how many projects can one need

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread yaro
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:40:40 PM Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 1/16/14, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jarth Berilcosm ja...@yahoo.com wrote: Looking back on using Linux as a desktop OS for almost 15 years we've seen tons of features added but

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Iain M Conochie
snip A lot of Linux geeks spent a lot of time worrying about Microsoft's desktop dominance over those years. I would often hear people claim that Linux had to get on to the desktop *now* (1999, 2004, 2007, etc) or it would be locked out *forever*. I concluded some time in the late 90s

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Cristian Baboi
În data de Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:36:09 +0200, Iain M Conochie i...@thargoid.co.uk a scris: snip A lot of Linux geeks spent a lot of time worrying about Microsoft's desktop dominance over those years. I would often hear people claim that Linux had to get on to the desktop *now* (1999, 2004,

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We eat using classic knifes since several hundred years and btw. a good

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Ignazio Palmisano
On 15 January 2014 21:42, Jarth Berilcosm ja...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:08:22 -0600, yaro wrote: Yeah, well, all this bitching proves i should look harder for the off- topic list. True. I. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Yet another read: http://www.g4ilo.com/linux.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagvx7uu0egsy4p__-k8c9pzvrsinlz7wpgjmdqf0_nabafa...@mail.gmail.com

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:29 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: Yet another read: http://www.g4ilo.com/linux.html So what? I bought a professional sound card, that should work with Linux, but it doesn't, it does perfectly work on Windows XP. XP isn't a bad OS regarding to some technically things, I

sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Jarth Berilcosm
Looking back on using Linux as a desktop OS for almost 15 years we've seen tons of features added but not much in terms of 'bite'. Hardware support is a lot better but still sucks when it comes to consumer multi-media, gaming performance etc. Someone wrote down a well documented list on all

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Most importantly this list is not an opinion. Almost every listed point has links to appropriate articles, threads and discussions centered on it, proving that I haven't pulled it out of my expletive . And please always check your facts. If you get an impression that Linux sucks - you are

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Jarth Berilcosm
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:29:01 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. Sorry to say so but your reply sounds more like rambling than anything. I'll reply to the part i was able to comprehend. Expectations ? Man, get a good night sleep.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread yaro
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 04:53:15 PM Jarth Berilcosm wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:29:01 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. Sorry to say so but your reply sounds more like rambling than anything. I'll reply to the part i

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. That is a good example how the cheap crap called computer nowadays is misused, for laziness, carelessness, abyss of ignorance, to produce other cheap crap. Most

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ralf Mardorf wrote: It's a misunderstanding to guess that computer technology is that progressed. Computers are cheap crap. If you are aware that they are nothing but cheap crap, you can use them from an relatively objective point of view. Well put :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread steef
Origineel bericht On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. That is a good example how the cheap crap called computer nowadays is misused, for laziness, carelessness, abyss of ignorance,

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Jarth Berilcosm
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:22:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Honestly ? Get a break, go live in a tent or something. On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. That is a good example how the cheap crap called

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Jarth Berilcosm
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:08:22 -0600, yaro wrote: Yeah, well, all this bitching proves i should look harder for the off- topic list. On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 04:53:15 PM Jarth Berilcosm wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:29:01 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm using a news-reader and could not

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/01/14 08:39, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:22:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Honestly ? Get a break, go live in a tent or something. Jarth, don't let Ralf upset you, it's not his fault he's human, and that comes with all sorts of illogical baggage. Bash on the other

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 January 2014 17:08:22 y...@marupa.net wrote: This is practically trolling. Practically? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jarth Berilcosm ja...@yahoo.com wrote: Looking back on using Linux as a desktop OS for almost 15 years we've seen tons of features added but not much in terms of 'bite'. Well deserved for its always crappy state throughout history. Windows was very crappy

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Robert Brockway
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote: These reasons why Linux is not ready for the desktop lists are so stupid. The whole question of whether Linux is 'ready for the desktop' is specious. This statement presumes that everyone has the same desktop requirements which they

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Robert Brockway rob...@timetraveller.org wrote: The whole question of whether Linux is 'ready for the desktop' is specious. This statement presumes that everyone has the same desktop requirements which they demonstratably do not. I've been using Linux on the

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-15 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014/1/15 Jarth Berilcosm ja...@yahoo.com Looking back on using Linux as a desktop OS for almost 15 years we've seen tons of features added but not much in terms of 'bite'. Hardware support is a lot better but still sucks when it comes to consumer multi-media, gaming performance etc.