Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:58:52 +0100 Gaël gag...@gmail.com écrivait : Hello, salut Gaël, salut à tous, [...] Merci à tous pour vos réponses. Je pense me diriger vers un partitionement comme suit : - pas de partition dedié pour /boot (apparement, ce n'est pas nécessaire); - une partition de 2GB de swap; - une grande partition sous LVM avec: - 2 Lv's pour / et /home, peut-être une 3ième pour /var; - /tmp sur tmpfs. As-tu pensé au chiffrement ? en ajoutant du chiffrement avant la LVM, c'est parfait. J'y jette un oeil. Si vous avez des liens, de la doc', ce serait sympa. Bon courage, n'hésite pas à redemander si besoin ! Lecture intéressante : http://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.installation-steps.html Merc. Gaël Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be pgphO9SoGCKs_.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Le 27/10/2014 07:05, Jean-Marc a écrit : [...] Merci à tous pour vos réponses. Je pense me diriger vers un partitionement comme suit : - pas de partition dedié pour /boot (apparement, ce n'est pas nécessaire); - une partition de 2GB de swap; - une grande partition sous LVM avec: - 2 Lv's pour / et /home, peut-être une 3ième pour /var; - /tmp sur tmpfs. Es tu sûr d'avoir lu les réponses à ton message initial? Il t'a été dit que /boot ne *doit pas* être dans LVM. Et pourtant tu veux le faire ... -- Daniel -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544dfed8.80...@tootai.net
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
On 10/26/2014 06:51 PM, Francois Boisson wrote: Le Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:40:16 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Tu mentionnes ici une utilisation serveur ou/et parcs de machines, ce n'est pas ce dont je parle. Il est bien évident que dans ce contexte, les noyaux précompilés sont la seule solution. Pas vraiment, sur un parc de machines, la compilation d'un noyau utilisé pour toutes les machines est rentable. Il ne faut pas exagérer, ce qui pose souci, c'est la configuration du noyau (qui pour être bien faite peut prendre du temps) et le fait qu'une erreur peut avoir des conséquences importantes. La compilation elle même, qu'elle prenne une bonne demi heure (cas pour moi sur une machine 4 fois 3200 bogomips) ou quatre minutes n'a pas d'importance, on fait autre chose pendant ce temps. La compilation d'un noyau optimisé pour un certain matériel et destiné à un parc de machines est certainement rentable si l'on veut y consacrer un peu de temps au départ. Par ailleurs, j'essaie de mettre la main sur la description des patches que Debian applique aux noyaux originaux de kernel.org. Quelqu'un connaît il un lien? Merci d'avance. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e060c.1060...@gmail.com
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
maderios a écrit : On 10/24/2014 03:06 PM, BERTRAND Joël wrote: maderios a écrit : On 10/24/2014 10:40 AM, Stéphane GARGOLY wrote: Je suis - juste - un peu plus prudent concernant le gain de réactivité qu'aurait généré un noyau personnalisé mais, bon, cela doit certainement dépendre de l'ordinateur. Je constate vraiment de meilleures performances, sinon je ne me serais pas enquiquiné à compiler des centaines de noyaux depuis 15 ans... J'aimerais bien avoir des chiffres pour savoir de quoi on parle. Autant sur des sparc64 ou alpha, c'est intéressant, autant je demande franchement à voir sur du x86. C'est intéressant sur l'alpha parce que le noyau de base est compilé pour un ev4 qui n'a pas les extensions BWX, donc qui se coltine un adressage bâtard pour accéder à un octet. Donc, dès qu'on utilise un truc supérieur à l'ev56 inclus, il est intéressant de recompiler son noyau. Pour un x86, l'architecture du processeur ne change pas assez pour avoir une significative différence de performance en recompilant son noyau avec un -mtune ou un -march (même en virant le code qui n'est pas utile à sa configuration particulière). Tu aimes vivre dangereusement. Le noyau vanilla est considéré aujourd'hui comme un noyau de développement, charge aux distributions de le stabiliser. Par ailleurs, certains pans du noyau ne sont correctement compilés que par une version bien précise de gcc. Quel danger? Les maj de sécurité sur kernel.org sont immédiates... J'ai rencontré moins de problèmes (ex pour l'audio et la carte graphique) avec les sources du noyau originales qu'avec les sources Debian. Question gcc, j'utilise la 4.9 (Sid) Je parle de la stabilité du noyau. J'ai eu assez de problèmes sur architectures non x86 pour ne plus jouer à cela. Parce que le noyau sparc64 qui compile et fonctionne parfaitement avec un gcc 4.5 et qui merdoie allègrement avec force deadlocks lorsqu'il est compilé avec gcc 4.8, j'ai donné. Linus lui-même a indiqué sur les listes de diffusion du noyau que le 2.6 de kernel.org était _le_ noyau de développement et qu'il n'y aurait plus de branche de développement. Pour élargir le sujet, certains paquets Debian ne sont pas au top, négligés ou inexistants (ex E17 utilisable depuis longtemps) et je préfère compiler les sources originales. J'ai du virer ce matin le récent paquet debian Terminology pour cause de comportement étrange, donc retour à mon paquet compilé perso qui marche à merveille. Idem pour le paquet deb Mnogosearch qui logue à n'en plus finir et qui était obsolète ... Transmageddon, qui ne procurait plus Xvid sauf la vieille version 0.20 compilée perso. Ouf, Transmageddon 1.4 vient de sortir et il réintègre Xvid. A compiler sinon il faut attendre en restant sur l'ancienne version. Tout ceci pour dire qu'il est avantageux de compiler certains programmes tout en gardant une base debian fiable. Cela permet de s'affranchir des délais de maj, de vivre dans une relative indépendance par rapport à certains choix de Debian, et de gagner du temps et de la fiabilité, malgré les apparences. Ce n'est pas exactement la même chose. Le noyau est ce qui fait la stabilité du système. JKB -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e06b7.5010...@systella.fr
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
admini a écrit : conclusion: aujourd'hui, la recompile pour moi, a un champs assez limité en environnement de production. en effet, les machines sont crées et détruites toutes les heures, la recompile c'est vraiment dans les cas très particuliers dans l'industrie où l'embarqué est présent. appliance de firewall basés sur linux, PC pilotant un ROBOT de chaine de montage, caisse enregistreuses dans les supermarchés . Il y a bien une autre raison. Debian refuse sur alpha de faire une distribution ev4 et une autre ev56 ou plus, comme il n'y a jamais eu de distribution sparc_v7 et une autre sparc_v8+. Or dans les deux cas, recompiler son noyau (et son userland) avec les bonnes options permet un sacré gain en performances. Mais dans l'immense majorité des cas, hors embarqué, c'est un luxe totalement inutile. Sur arm, c'est aussi intéressant, mais là, pour le coup, différentes branches sont proposées. JKB -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e0755.2000...@systella.fr
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
maderios a écrit : On 10/26/2014 10:48 AM, admini wrote: Le 25/10/2014 10:41, maderios a écrit : On 10/25/2014 12:07 AM, admini wrote: voilà, le mot: priorité. c'est quoi la priorité aujourd'hui qui justifie qu'on passe du temps à compiler le kernel? La priorité pour moi, c'est ne pas être dépendant de gens qui décident tout pour nous. sur le principe, je suis bien d'accord. malheureusement, tout le monde n'est pas chef d'entreprise. et meme lorsqu'on l'est, on est quand meme sous l'autorité des actionnaires et des clients. J'ai choisi GNU/Linux en 1999 pour être indépendant des lobbies industriels. C'est justement ce qui va tuer Linux. Aujourd'hui, les grandes industries du logiciels tirent chacunes de leur côté avec pour certainres des moyejns qui dépassent allègrement ceux qu'elles mettent dans leurs OS maison (parce qu'elles n'aiment pas la licence BSD et c'est tant mieux). Résultat des courses, le noyau est devenu un immense foutoir avec des abi et des api qui changent plus vite que leur ombre. Là, tout de suite, il faut que je rétroporte un pilote du noyau 3.10 vers le 3.0. C'est mission impossible. Le corollaire est assez simple : il y a quelque temps, tu pouvais t'affranchir des lobbies industriels comme tu dis et maintenir un système à jour. Aujourd'hui, ce n'est plus le cas. Le développement du noyau fait que tu es contraint d'utiliser telle ou telle version du noyau quitte à ce qu'il soit plus percé qu'une passoire. Il est vrai que ça ne concerne pas le x86, mais dans l'embarqué, c'est une réalité à laquelle je suis tous les jours confronté. Typiquement, le dernier noyau que j'arrive à peu près à faire booter sur une carte avec un Freescale iMX-6 est un 3.0 (et encore, j'ai 5 threads noyau qui restent dans l'état D avec une charge de 5). Et ce noyau est un noyau Freescale (plein de patches Freescale) suivi de patches de l'intégrateur. Bref, de plus en plus de monde regarde ailleurs ce qu'il se fait parce que, dans l'embarqué qui doit avoir une durée de vie importante avec un minimum de sécurité, entre les blobs binaires, les firmwares foireux et les bouts de code pas secs, il devient difficile de faire quelque chose avec Linux. JKB -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e09d7.6030...@systella.fr
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
maderios a écrit : On 10/26/2014 06:51 PM, Francois Boisson wrote: Le Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:40:16 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Tu mentionnes ici une utilisation serveur ou/et parcs de machines, ce n'est pas ce dont je parle. Il est bien évident que dans ce contexte, les noyaux précompilés sont la seule solution. Pas vraiment, sur un parc de machines, la compilation d'un noyau utilisé pour toutes les machines est rentable. Il ne faut pas exagérer, ce qui pose souci, c'est la configuration du noyau (qui pour être bien faite peut prendre du temps) et le fait qu'une erreur peut avoir des conséquences importantes. La compilation elle même, qu'elle prenne une bonne demi heure (cas pour moi sur une machine 4 fois 3200 bogomips) ou quatre minutes n'a pas d'importance, on fait autre chose pendant ce temps. La compilation d'un noyau optimisé pour un certain matériel et destiné à un parc de machines est certainement rentable si l'on veut y consacrer un peu de temps au départ. Par ailleurs, j'essaie de mettre la main sur la description des patches que Debian applique aux noyaux originaux de kernel.org. Quelqu'un connaît il un lien? Merci d'avance. apt-get source devrait t'aider un peu. JKB -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e0a1a.6080...@systella.fr
[HS] Au propos des branches du noyau Linux
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le lundi 27 octobre 2014 à 08:47, BERTRAND Joël joel.bertr...@systella.fr a écrit : Linus lui-même a indiqué sur les listes de diffusion du noyau que le 2.6 de kernel.org était _le_ noyau de développement et qu'il n'y aurait plus de branche de développement. Au passage, je me demande qu'il ne s'agit pas d'une mauvaise idée de la part de Linus Torvalds. Je ne sais pas ce que vous en pensez mais je trouve que le fait d'avoir deux branches : - Une dite stable où on se contenterait des corrections de bogues (voire des améliorations des fonctionnalités existantes), - Et une dite de développement où on développerait (justement) des nouvelles fonctionnalités, Me parait beaucoup plus sain. Et, bien sûr, la branche de développement, une fois suffisamment stabilisée, deviendrait une nouvelle branche stable (voir note a). Note a : Cela est d'ailleurs assez analogue chez Debian où chaque version - désignée par leur nom de code (Squeeze, Wheezy, Jessie) - passe par la phase Testing avant de devenir stable. Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201410271133.59730.stephane.garg...@gmail.com
Re: A propos de la controverse Systemd
Pour info, un nouveau groupe Meetup : http://www.meetup.com/systemd-france/ Je précise que je n'ai pas d'opinion sur ce débat :) Bonne semaine -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cafpklmlshlhza5hokj+qjpv0xzutuoq5pvr5iikzb6pm2vx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Hello, Es tu sûr d'avoir lu les réponses à ton message initial? Il t'a été dit que /boot ne *doit pas* être dans LVM. Et pourtant tu veux le faire ... As-tu pensé au chiffrement ? en ajoutant du chiffrement avant la LVM, c'est parfait. J'y jette un oeil. Si vous avez des liens, de la doc', ce serait sympa. Une petite recherche lvm chiffrement debian te donnera un nombre plutôt grand de réponses :) Tu devrais essayer, ça ne te coutera rien, et tu ne perdras pas grand chose en vitesse de fonctionnement de l'ordi. Un petit peu, mais vraiment pas grand chose. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cagkqbrmgkbnxgywb3pakvv3+dgtph5fy_a2pgpmdnx_4cyx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 09:14:16AM +0100, daniel huhardeaux wrote: Le 27/10/2014 07:05, Jean-Marc a écrit : [...] Merci à tous pour vos réponses. Je pense me diriger vers un partitionement comme suit : - pas de partition dedié pour /boot (apparement, ce n'est pas nécessaire); - une partition de 2GB de swap; - une grande partition sous LVM avec: - 2 Lv's pour / et /home, peut-être une 3ième pour /var; - /tmp sur tmpfs. Es tu sûr d'avoir lu les réponses à ton message initial? Il t'a été dit que /boot ne *doit pas* être dans LVM. Et pourtant tu veux le faire ... Avoir le /boot dans un LV ne pose pas de problème, je confirme. Je ne dis pas que c'est bien, je dis juste que ça marche, cf. un des serveurs de mon boulot : # df -t ext4 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/system-root 3842104 798220 2848712 22% / /dev/mapper/system-var3842104 227648 3419284 7% /var # grep mapper /boot/grub/grub.cfg linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/system-root ro quiet linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/system-root ro single Pour mon système perso, j'ai fait plus simple : pas de LVM, une grosse partition racine (8Go ici, mais pour un laptop 40Go me semble plus approprié), du swap (2G), et le reste pour /home. -- Nicolas -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027152303.ga2...@petole.demisel.net
Wheezy/Gnome 3: le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier
Bonjour, J'ai un système sous Wheezy/Gnome. Depuis quelques semaines maintenant, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier. Plus précisément, après quelques minutes d'utilisation, quelque soit sa position de départ, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le haut de l'écran au centre. Cette position correspond à l'heure. J'ai changé le couple clavier PS/2/souris USB par un clavier Logitech sans -fil (application solaar). J'ai ajouté un hub USB tout neuf sur lequel j'ai branché tous mes périphériques USB (dont lme récepteur Logitech). À ma grande surprise (je pensais à un pb matériel), le pb persiste. Mon système est à jour (apt-get upgrade). Avez-vous une piste ? Slts -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capet9jjnvfm6q_mwx8voz1bk2srokhgjrbls992gow57o2s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Avoir le /boot dans un LV ne pose pas de problème, je confirme. Je ne dis pas que c'est bien, je dis juste que ça marche, Wow, merci. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBr=e_VYq0G6=+hsqohfz5af8i+hxavfbfdr8lzcnsgz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Le 27/10/2014 16:23, Nicolas KOWALSKI a écrit : Es tu sûr d'avoir lu les réponses à ton message initial? Il t'a été dit que /boot ne *doit pas* être dans LVM. Et pourtant tu veux le faire ... Avoir le /boot dans un LV ne pose pas de problème, je confirme. Je ne dis pas que c'est bien, je dis juste que ça marche, cf. un des serveurs de mon boulot : [...] En dehors du fait que je trouve cela dangereux que /boot dépende de LVM, il faut savoir que ni grub legacy ni LILO ne fonctionnent si /boot est dans LVM. -- Daniel -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e71bf.9040...@tootai.net
Re: [HS] Noyau personnalisé contre noyau générique
Le 27/10/2014 09:45, maderios a écrit : On 10/26/2014 06:51 PM, Francois Boisson wrote: Le Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:40:16 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Tu mentionnes ici une utilisation serveur ou/et parcs de machines, ce n'est pas ce dont je parle. Il est bien évident que dans ce contexte, les noyaux précompilés sont la seule solution. Pas vraiment, sur un parc de machines, la compilation d'un noyau utilisé pour toutes les machines est rentable. Il ne faut pas exagérer, ce qui pose souci, c'est la configuration du noyau (qui pour être bien faite peut prendre du temps) et le fait qu'une erreur peut avoir des conséquences importantes. La compilation elle même, qu'elle prenne une bonne demi heure (cas pour moi sur une machine 4 fois 3200 bogomips) ou quatre minutes n'a pas d'importance, on fait autre chose pendant ce temps. La compilation d'un noyau optimisé pour un certain matériel et destiné à un parc de machines est certainement rentable si l'on veut y consacrer un peu de temps au départ. Par ailleurs, j'essaie de mettre la main sur la description des patches que Debian applique aux noyaux originaux de kernel.org. Quelqu'un connaît il un lien? Merci d'avance. Tu peux regarder sur la page du paquet de chaque noyau, exemple : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-3.16-3-686-pae Il y a un lien vers le changelog : http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.16.5-1_changelog il y a les modifications upstream puis les modfications Debian. -- == | FRÉDÉRIC MASSOT | | http://www.juliana-multimedia.com | | mailto:frede...@juliana-multimedia.com | | +33.(0)2.97.54.77.94 +33.(0)6.67.19.95.69 | ===Debian=GNU/Linux=== -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e95bc.20...@juliana-multimedia.com
Noyau personnalisé
On 10/27/2014 07:58 PM, Frédéric MASSOT wrote: Par ailleurs, j'essaie de mettre la main sur la description des patches que Debian applique aux noyaux originaux de kernel.org. Quelqu'un connaît il un lien? Merci d'avance. Tu peux regarder sur la page du paquet de chaque noyau, exemple : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-3.16-3-686-pae Il y a un lien vers le changelog : http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.16.5-1_changelog il y a les modifications upstream puis les modfications Debian. Merci. On peut tout de même dire que cette façon de présenter tout en vrac (c'est d'ailleurs général chez Debian) engendre de la confusion. Je pense vraiment que Debian n'a pas envie de communiquer, sauf avec les initiés. Tant pis pour les utilisateurs... -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e9d3e.5070...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy/Gnome 3: le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier
On Monday 27 October 2014 16:35:51 Olivier wrote: J'ai un système sous Wheezy/Gnome. Depuis quelques semaines maintenant, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier. Plus précisément, après quelques minutes d'utilisation, quelque soit sa position de départ, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le haut de l'écran au centre. Cette position correspond à l'heure. J'ai changé le couple clavier PS/2/souris USB par un clavier Logitech sans -fil (application solaar). J'ai ajouté un hub USB tout neuf sur lequel j'ai branché tous mes périphériques USB (dont lme récepteur Logitech). À ma grande surprise (je pensais à un pb matériel), le pb persiste. Mon système est à jour (apt-get upgrade). Avez-vous une piste ? Slts Une piste : s'agit-il de l'aspirateur ou la machine à laver de la voisine Madame Michou qui fait trembler le bureau ou est posé ton ordinateur ? Solution : allez voir Madame Michou et lui dire de diminuer la puissance de son aspirateur et les tours/min de l'essorage. Ça devrait faire rentrer les choses dans l'ordre. On cherche souvent des solutions fastidieuses et coûteuses... André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201410272153.48623.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Merci à Daniel, Nicolas et Gaël pour leurs conseils. Au sujet de la création d'une partition pour /boot, si je l'ai proposé et si je n'ai pas réagi de suite, c'est parce que j'ai eu l'info via un autre canal entre temps. Comme je ne compte pas utiliser ce laptop avec autre chose que GRUB2, je vais poursuivre dans cette direction. Au sujet du chiffrement, quel est l'intérêt autre que la protection des données en cas de perte ou de vol ? Et quelqu'un a-t-il de l'expérience au niveau maintenance ? N'est-ce pas trop contraignant ? Du côté protection, je me suis contenté jusqu'ici d'une partition chiffrée montée à la demande pour stocker mes données sensibles. Bonne soirée. Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be pgplDt0HDYNbz.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Noyau personnalisé
Les patches que Debian appliquent sur le kernel peuvent être facilement trouvé dans le linux_3.16.5-1.debian.tar.xz (sous les dossiers debian/patches) http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.16.5-1.debian.tar.xz Je trouve cela assez clair et cela ne prête pas a confusion. Librement, Valentin OVD Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:30:06 +0100 From: mader...@gmail.com To: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Subject: Noyau personnalisé On 10/27/2014 07:58 PM, Frédéric MASSOT wrote: Par ailleurs, j'essaie de mettre la main sur la description des patches que Debian applique aux noyaux originaux de kernel.org. Quelqu'un connaît il un lien? Merci d'avance. Tu peux regarder sur la page du paquet de chaque noyau, exemple : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-3.16-3-686-pae Il y a un lien vers le changelog : http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.16.5-1_changelog il y a les modifications upstream puis les modfications Debian. Merci. On peut tout de même dire que cette façon de présenter tout en vrac (c'est d'ailleurs général chez Debian) engendre de la confusion. Je pense vraiment que Debian n'a pas envie de communiquer, sauf avec les initiés. Tant pis pour les utilisateurs... -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e9d3e.5070...@gmail.com
Re: Noyau personnalisé
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.16.5-1_changelog il y a les modifications upstream puis les modfications Debian. Merci. On peut tout de même dire que cette façon de présenter tout en vrac (c'est d'ailleurs général chez Debian) engendre de la confusion. Je pense vraiment que Debian n'a pas envie de communiquer, sauf avec les initiés. Tant pis pour les utilisateurs... Ce document est le changelog du noyau, Debian ne rajoute ces modifications qu'à la fin. Je pense que les patches debian se trouvent dans les sources des paquets du noyau (pas le linux-source, mais les paquets de deb-src). Par exemple, tu prends le fichier linux_3.2.63-2.debian.tar.xz Tu le déplies et va dans deboan/patches Tu lis bugfix/x86/net-wireless-ipw2200-Fix-WARN_ON-occurring-in-wiphy_.patch et tu as les commentaires précis «The problem was found by Larry Finger: http://marc.info/?l=linux-wirelessm=133702401700614w=2 The problem is identical to the one for ipw2200 which is already fixed: http://marc.info/?l=linux-wirelessm=133457257407196w=2 [description du problème, etc]» Tu as également les rajouts (par exemple features/x86/x86-Add-amilo-rfkill-driver-for-some-Fujitsu-Siemens.patch ou encore bien sûr et surtout :features/all/aufs3/ qui rajoute aufs (qui n'est pas dans le noyau de kernel.org). Bref, je trouve ça très détaillé et ordonné. Le changelog n'est là que pour faire une recherche par mot clef pour savoir si une modification a été fait ou un bug précis corrigé, par pour expliquer les modifs. François Bpisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027224430.6a9af87ff0a1db8f2a92f...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Au sujet de la création d'une partition pour /boot, si je l'ai proposé et si je n'ai pas réagi de suite, c'est parce que j'ai eu l'info via un autre canal entre temps. Comme je ne compte pas utiliser ce laptop avec autre chose que GRUB2, je vais poursuivre dans cette direction. Il est recommandé un peu partout de mettre /boot hors de LVM. Tu t'exposes à des soucis plus chiant et moins de support en insistant à la mettre dans LVM. Au sujet du chiffrement, quel est l'intérêt autre que la protection des données en cas de perte ou de vol ? Allez, http://ldn-fai.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/rien-a-cacher.pdf Aussi, comme déjà dit, ça sert à faire que ce genre de pratique ne soit pas suspecte. Et quelqu'un a-t-il de l'expérience au niveau maintenance ? N'est-ce pas trop contraignant ? Comment ça ? Tu tapes ta passphrase au boot (juste après grub), et voilà. Si tu branches ton disque dans un autre ordi, soit il va te demander la phrase tout seul, soit cryptsetup luksOpen te la demandera. Rien de contraignant! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBrk9h_UWExbtJPLR=pntqux2zmoenvu+ezpm0-zcvms...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wheezy/Gnome 3: le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier
Le Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:35:51 +0100, Olivier oza.4...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, J'ai un système sous Wheezy/Gnome. Depuis quelques semaines maintenant, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le calendrier. Plus précisément, après quelques minutes d'utilisation, quelque soit sa position de départ, le pointeur de la souris se déplace seul sur le haut de l'écran au centre. Cette position correspond à l'heure. J'ai changé le couple clavier PS/2/souris USB par un clavier Logitech sans -fil (application solaar). J'ai ajouté un hub USB tout neuf sur lequel j'ai branché tous mes périphériques USB (dont lme récepteur Logitech). À ma grande surprise (je pensais à un pb matériel), le pb persiste. Mon système est à jour (apt-get upgrade). Avez-vous une piste ? Slts On range ton ordinateur sans que tu n'ai rien à faire, de quoi tu te plains ? Blague à part, tu n'aurais pas un script ou une extension chelou qui traîne ? Ça ne correspondrait pas à une mise en veille d'écran ? à une mise en veille USB ? Rien dans le /var/log/syslog , le /var/log/messages ou le ~/.xsession-errors ? Trace un peu tout ça. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027222651.41f1cb65@azuki.jisui
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Le Monday 27 Oct 2014 à 22:19:55 (+0100), Jean-Marc a écrit : Au sujet du chiffrement, quel est l'intérêt autre que la protection des données en cas de perte ou de vol ? Et quelqu'un a-t-il de l'expérience au niveau maintenance ? N'est-ce pas trop contraignant ? Du côté protection, je me suis contenté jusqu'ici d'une partition chiffrée montée à la demande pour stocker mes données sensibles. Salut, Ça a aussi l'intérêt d'empécher que l'on modifie tes données ou tes programmes en accédant à ton disque. Ce qui doit être exceptionnel comme attaque, mais c'est un intérêt. -- Un expert, c'est quelqu'un qui en sait beaucoup sur très peu. Anonyme signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Re, On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:57:32PM +0100, Gaël wrote: [...] Tu tapes ta passphrase au boot (juste après grub), et voilà. Si tu branches ton disque dans un autre ordi, soit il va te demander la phrase tout seul, soit cryptsetup luksOpen te la demandera. Tiens, et quelle est la charge induite par le chiffrement/déchiffrement ? Je suppose que ça a un prix ? A+ -- JFS. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027231504.ga13...@jones.jfs.dt
Re: Install de mon laptop - partitionement du disque
Le Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:19:55 +0100, Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be a écrit : Au sujet du chiffrement, quel est l'intérêt autre que la protection des données en cas de perte ou de vol ? Et quelqu'un a-t-il de l'expérience au niveau maintenance ? N'est-ce pas trop contraignant ? Du côté protection, je me suis contenté jusqu'ici d'une partition chiffrée montée à la demande pour stocker mes données sensibles. La sécurité c'est connaître son niveau de parano. Protéger ses données en cas de perte, de vol ou de cambriolage est un argument assez valable hors big-brother et holliwood-world-companie. Effectivement on n'est pas obligé de tout protéger, mais alors il faut penser aux détails genre /tmp . L'inconvénient c'est qu'il vaut mieux faire ses sauvegarde correctement, les outils de recovery ont plus de mal avec une partition LVM chiffrée que avec une ext4 en clair. C'est un argument qui ne doit pas être valable avec un disque SSD... et puis tout le monde fait bien ses sauvegardes ;) L'autre inconvénient c'est que ça prend un poil de ressources en plus. En usage normal sur une machine moyenne, ce n'est pas très important. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141028002549.657aa440@azuki.jisui
OT Artandome de Google y sus aplicaciones
Debianeros: Hace unos minutos intente acceder a mi cuenta de email con gmail. Queria enviar un mensaje para hacer una pregunta a ustedes sobre algunas cuestiones tecnicas (que dejare para despues). Resulta que uso Chromium y me sale un mensaje: This version is no suported Y ya no me permite ni escribir mensajes a la lista. Ya estoy hartandome de las limitaciones de google y sus aplicaciones. Es molesto que se aprovechen del conocimiento del Codigo Abierto, que hayan creado un gran mostruo y que limiten el acceso a sus aplicaciones si no es con Chrome o los navedaores que ellos elijan. Creo que tenemos la libertad de escoger con que navegador queremos ingresar o usar. Es claro que tambien ellos deberian de elegir quien entra y quien no, sin embargo estan usando CODIGO ABIERTO que es conocimiento de quienes asi han trabajado arduamente y aportado sus conocimientos para el desarllo de la humanidad. Entiendo que es SU servicio (aun basado en el conocimiento heredado por la comunidad libre)... ASI COMO ME PASO CON WINDOWS, dejare de usar en lo posible todo lo que tenga que ver con GOOGLE y sus APPS hasta que prontamente pueda tener a mi libre eleccion lo que uso y como lo uso. Si alguien me puede ayudar a elegir un servidor bueno de email de preferencia que sea de la comunidad LIBRE y que no tenga estas limitantes o montar un servidor propio para enviar y recibir a mi libre eleccion. Agradezco su ayuda Debianero P.D. Lei esto http://linux-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/02/11/1452259/rhel-6-no-longer-supported-by-google-chrome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAM50uNxLRR2=1vWHk=1e9cayajwj-opnc1z2irg_daudzbw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Artandome de Google y sus aplicaciones
Uhm... pues entiendo tu molestia, aunque eso no exime tu descuidad ortografía (desde el título donde te comes la H inicial, pero bueno). No sé yo por la misma razón por la que expresas tu molestia es que procuro no usas sus navegadores: Chrome y Chromium, que además consumen cantidades enormes de RAM como expuse en un hilo anterior hace unas horas. Puedes suar otros navegadores para ello, que yo sepa Google no te obliga (aun) a acceder a sus servicios solamente por Chrome, así que bien puedes usar Firefox (o Iceweasel), Opera, etc. Ejerce tu libertad como bien dices. La parte que no me queda clara de tu pregunta es sobre el servidor bueno de email... yo entendería por tu mensaje que puedes un cliente de correo, algo como Thunderbird (o Icedove) o siempre puedes optar por el buen Alpine... pero no estoy seguro de tu pregunta. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAACnk7Y7n6+YKMJ4joC=b_ecyfuwuupgvvq8mk_2-mwml9z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Rubberhose para Wheezy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:21:22 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: El Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:11:55 +, Allan J. Aguilar escribió: Me pregunto si existe alguna forma de crear un archivo de cifrado negable en Debian Wheezy como Rubberhose (similar a los volúmenes ocultos que se podían generar con TrueCrypt) y con software que respete las DFSG. Google devuelve ScramDisk 4 Linux (GPL), echa un vistazo por si te sirve: http://sd4l.sourceforge.net/ Saludos, Agradezco la respuesta. Sin embargo, parece que el proyecto está abandonado, pues su última versión fue publicada en abril de 2011: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sd4l/files/sd4l/2.1/ - -- Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3 OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia Blog: https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUTfVvAAoJEHvDWU33wOGjjRIP/0O1Zcso/CWHf/mxGbYBveZC 5DufMbNvqrPPJHE9pk2bbHE1cmiCv49cfBUxLRv2P0qErspvchVlXlMjrTkJ6ugX 1SFMgAWsVCAU8sZbXInHNdxGbFAdK0/c0VoxPc/ElC+tD3mm2deOfBiZYUXjtiZw iD3CX6owstkCrQFmtJmmgjaKu+AkNmqyaYaIK2z/82fWsKgDoeySIE+8ZhgZdSql YFP2jbpHiUUEgplHolYg/t7s0LYkwIf96jsPGPiM39knCwpuYcM7I/ubMAnq0P86 5d9DWur83D9EQetJS92CqIknU64jBzHeXzLvGqzuSM9joXBxdsDsqlzVoZBDNThk /l8qXjvg+h2i7ZQZuu1metG7//7KarA3/jVKv6u40LGSQBdmc2RvnGT/dCMz3jts GYjPEEn2VzMXxjRYnzkbgEIM/prWTryYRojYclWRt5qNeA6OUkl5+HfOL5Sl69BZ TRAICS0J128AYgrGSfTE9HnwlgrViig3oOTZvk4wmUy86D7XDrxvqVykewxtpEH0 471yDMOMaLxyD7T5vNl1xqUG4w47aYvEghnbUxzo2kfT2aFNqjh4U7HbOvFG86BH 0J0lSt7/iewGIftQ1Gwbi6kbLuygc872+oByBZrrItLyADCQRMdTmQ3iY90djSuU wPZuuSbEfCQ0HlgggMSm =SsR/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OT Artandome de Google y sus aplicaciones
El 27/10/2014 01:05, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus escribió: Uhm... pues entiendo tu molestia, aunque eso no exime tu descuidad ortografía (desde el título donde te comes la H inicial, pero bueno). No sé yo por la misma razón por la que expresas tu molestia es que procuro no usas sus navegadores: Chrome y Chromium, que además consumen cantidades enormes de RAM como expuse en un hilo anterior hace unas horas. Puedes suar otros navegadores para ello, que yo sepa Google no te obliga (aun) a acceder a sus servicios solamente por Chrome, así que bien puedes usar Firefox (o Iceweasel), Opera, etc. Ejerce tu libertad como bien dices. La parte que no me queda clara de tu pregunta es sobre el servidor bueno de email... yo entendería por tu mensaje que puedes un cliente de correo, algo como Thunderbird (o Icedove) o siempre puedes optar por el buen Alpine... pero no estoy seguro de tu pregunta. Si empezamos por ortografía, aquí vamos... aun aún (por la sustitución por todavía). Por otro lado, existen correos libres y gratuitos, como OpenMailBox u Autistici, aunque no sé qué tan libres son, les tengo buenas referencias y utilizan parte de su plataforma libre, según tenía entendido. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/blu437-smtp323c61a0200822c091a1...@phx.gbl
Re: OT: Navegador web
El 26/10/14 a las 14:32, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió: Si me refiero mas que nada al consumo de recursos y velocidad de carga. Normalmente utilizaba Opera pero tiene el inconveniente de que desde el no se pueden realizar ningun tipo de tramite de la agencia tributaria ni de la Seg. Social. Utilizo Chrome, pero tiene muchos problemas con java-oracle, imprescindible para tramitaciones con las distintas administraciones publicas. Y no se por que me da, que es de los que mas recursos consumen. Midori. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e38cf.1050...@jesusda.com
Re: OT: Navegador web
El dom, 26-10-2014 a las 13:43 +0100, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió: Hola lista, Tan solo una pequeña cuestión, queria saber que navegador os parece a vosotros que obtiene mejor rendimiento. Un saludo y muchas gracias -- Octavio Ávalos así a ojo, y sin definir que deberíamos entender por 'mejor rendimiento', yo digo que el iceweasel/firefox. Donde trabajo y entre mis amistades todos alucinan con el chrome, pero yo lo veo como el actual iexplorer 6 (lento y lleno de bichos por todas partes) aunque supongo que es culpa de los usuarios También uso epiphany (que usa el motor webkit) para navegar por cosas chiquitas, pero que necesite que arranque rápido. Con algunos switch de hp ya no me sirve porque pide el plugin de java, y realmente no volví a investigar si ya soporta java. -- (-.(-.(-.(-.(-.(-.-).-).-).-).-).-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1414416157.1156.22.ca...@gmail.com
Re: OT Artandome de Google y sus aplicaciones
El Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:16:17 -0600, Debia Linux escribió: Debianeros: Hace unos minutos intente acceder a mi cuenta de email con gmail. Queria enviar un mensaje para hacer una pregunta a ustedes sobre algunas cuestiones tecnicas (que dejare para despues). Resulta que uso Chromium y me sale un mensaje: This version is no suported Pues no sé qué versión tendrás de Chromium pero aquí tienes los navegadores soportados: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en Cuando accedes al webmail con un navegador que no reconoce o no está en su lista, suele saltar a la versión básica de Gmail (entorno más sencillo). Si no es tu caso, pues informa. Y ya no me permite ni escribir mensajes a la lista. Ya estoy hartandome de las limitaciones de google y sus aplicaciones. (...) Pues usa un cliente de correo convencional con IMAP o POP3 y listo. El webmail de Gmail es bastaste tocanarices yo apenas lo uso (entro de uvas a peras para ver los correos que ha cazado mi filtro y poco más) pero al menos Google te permite otras opciones de acceso. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.27.14.28...@gmail.com
Re: Rubberhose para Wheezy
El Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:34:07 +, Allan J. Aguilar escribió: On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:21:22 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: El Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:11:55 +, Allan J. Aguilar escribió: Me pregunto si existe alguna forma de crear un archivo de cifrado negable en Debian Wheezy como Rubberhose (similar a los volúmenes ocultos que se podían generar con TrueCrypt) y con software que respete las DFSG. Google devuelve ScramDisk 4 Linux (GPL), echa un vistazo por si te sirve: http://sd4l.sourceforge.net/ Agradezco la respuesta. Sin embargo, parece que el proyecto está abandonado, pues su última versión fue publicada en abril de 2011: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sd4l/files/sd4l/2.1/ La última versión estable de Mutt es del 2007 ;-) Veo que solicitaron la inclusión del paquete (sd4l) en Debian¹ y en el último mensaje apuntan a cryptsetup como una alternativa más conveniente, quizá deberías investigar por ese lado. ¹https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579605 Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.27.14.39...@gmail.com
Repositorio de Debian Optimizado y Pequeño
Hola a todos los Amigos de la lista tengo un pequeño lio aca, tengo poco ancho de banda 64 kbit/s y desearia actualizar mi repositorio de debian 7 desde internet este es el scrip que tengo: #!/bin/bash DIRECTORY=/var/www/mirror/debian/ logs=/tmp/mirror_$(($RANDOM%100)).log echo Start mirror $(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M) $logs debmirror \ --verbose \ --nosource \ --host=http.us.debian.org \ --root=debian \ --dist=wheezy,wheezy-updates \ --section=main,contrib,non-free,main/debian-installer \ --arch=amd64 \ --timeout=1800 \ --method=http \ --diff=none \ --postcleanup \ --ignore-release-gpg \ --ignore-small-errors \ --exclude-deb-section=doc \ --exclude-deb-section=electronics \ --exclude-deb-section=games \ --exclude-deb-section=hamradio \ --exclude-deb-section=kde \ --exclude-deb-section=graphics \ --proxy=http://proxy:puerto/ \ $DIRECTORY $logs 21 if [ $? -eq 0 ];then echo Stop mirror $(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M) $logs mv $logs $DIRECTORY/update.log echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M) Update Successfully $DIRECTORY/update_successfully.log else echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M) Update Error Down $DIRECTORY/update_successfully.log fi exit 0 quisiera que este scrip solo me actualizara los paketes que me hacen falta comunmente en un servidor, nada mas, que sepciones mas pudiera excluir aca en mi script para que me quedara lo mas pequeño posible, yo aca en casa lo tengo completo es decir tengo el principal y el updates pero solo quiero que me actualice lo que me sirva para servidor... muchas gracias de antemano -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/f2a7250952b7a3872eb5a73f66679...@ss.perdurit.com.cu
Re: Repositorio de Debian Optimizado y Pequeño
El Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:49:24 -0400, Richard Díaz Rodríguez escribió: Hola a todos los Amigos de la lista tengo un pequeño lio aca, tengo poco ancho de banda 64 kbit/s y desearia actualizar mi repositorio de debian 7 desde internet este es el scrip que tengo: (...) quisiera que este scrip solo me actualizara los paketes que me hacen falta comunmente en un servidor, nada mas, que sepciones mas pudiera excluir aca en mi script para que me quedara lo mas pequeño posible, yo aca en casa lo tengo completo es decir tengo el principal y el updates pero solo quiero que me actualice lo que me sirva para servidor... Podrías hacer un listado de los paquetes que tienes en el servidor¹ para ver a qué sección pertenecen y en base a eso añadir sólo esas secciones en tu script de sincronización: ¹dpkg-query -Wf '${Section;-40}${Package}\n' | sort -g Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.27.15.25...@gmail.com
¿Qué significa esto que me aparece en la consola?
Hola Tengo Debian Jessie Cada vez que instalo algo o actualizo por consola me aparece lo siguiente, es un trozo pues es mucho más grande. [...] dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `laptop-detect', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `plasma-widget-networkmanagement', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `initramfs-tools', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `menu', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libxmuu1:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libclass-accessor-perl', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libxml-parser-perl', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libportsmf0:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libxcb-shm0:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libkgapi2-2:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `debianutils', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libfreetype6:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libqtruby4shared2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `sudo', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libgpgme++2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libmtp-common', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libzip2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `coreutils', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libsmokeqtgui4-3', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libnl-3-200:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `fonts-ebgaramond', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `phonon-backend-vlc:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libattica0.4:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libxml-sax-base-perl', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libxdmcp6:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libsane-extras:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `shared-mime-info', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `iproute2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libraw1394-11:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libpolkit-gobject-1-0:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no
Re: OT Artandome de Google y sus aplicaciones
2014-10-27 8:28 GMT-06:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:16:17 -0600, Debia Linux escribió: Debianeros: Hace unos minutos intente acceder a mi cuenta de email con gmail. Queria enviar un mensaje para hacer una pregunta a ustedes sobre algunas cuestiones tecnicas (que dejare para despues). Resulta que uso Chromium y me sale un mensaje: This version is no suported Pues no sé qué versión tendrás de Chromium pero aquí tienes los navegadores soportados: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en Cuando accedes al webmail con un navegador que no reconoce o no está en su lista, suele saltar a la versión básica de Gmail (entorno más sencillo). Si no es tu caso, pues informa. Y ya no me permite ni escribir mensajes a la lista. Ya estoy hartandome de las limitaciones de google y sus aplicaciones. (...) Pues usa un cliente de correo convencional con IMAP o POP3 y listo. El webmail de Gmail es bastaste tocanarices yo apenas lo uso (entro de uvas a peras para ver los correos que ha cazado mi filtro y poco más) pero al menos Google te permite otras opciones de acceso. Ok, lo usare. ¿Cual usas tu?. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.27.14.28...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cam50unxlysd9hn9+-waa8dcxajyif5tpp2148etp2+2rhlc...@mail.gmail.com
Carsten Schulze te envió una solicitud de contacto hace un tiempo.
Title: Carsten Schulze te envió una solicitud de contacto hace un tiempo. Aún tienes una solicitud de contacto sin confirmar. Carsten Schulzete envió una solicitud de contacto hace un tiempo. Confirmar contacto Head of OrganisationCarsten Schulze, Wunstorf 0 0contactos en común contactos en común 11 11grupos grupos Confirmar contacto Confirmar contacto Administrar contactos Hallo und guten Tag, ich möchte mich gerne auf XING mit Ihnen verbinden und Sie in mein berufliches Netzwerk einladen. So bleiben wir einfacher in Kontakt und können uns austauschen. Ich freue mich schon auf einen gelegentlichen Ideen und Erfahrungsaustausch. Viele Grüße Carsten Schulze PublicidadMás información Este mensaje ha sido enviado a Oscar Fabián Ovando, Organizador de asoc. civiles en Oscar Fabian Ovando. Más información
Re: ¿Qué significa esto que me aparece en la consola?
Hola Tengo Debian Jessie Cada vez que instalo algo o actualizo por consola me aparece lo siguiente, es un trozo pues es mucho más grande. [...] dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `laptop-detect', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `plasma-widget-networkmanagement', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado [...] Como solucionar esto para que no vuelva a parecer, Gracias de antemano Significa que te faltan /var/lib/dpkg/info/paquete.list, y seguramente los demás ficheros relacionados: .md5sums, .prerm, etc. Posiblemente secuela de cuando tenías la partición completamente llena. Tal vez se pueda solucionar forzando la reinstalación de esos paquetes, pero nunca me he visto en ese trance Mucha suerte. Saludos. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141028050754.0ec74...@gmail.com
Re: Como remover o Akamaihd
Uma pergunta, como foi que você conseguiu identificar que esse akamai estava na sua maquina ? Em 25 de outubro de 2014 16:01, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoal, me desculpem, mas desisti. Acabei por reinstalar o sistema. Próximo passo será manter um antivírus e o firewall sempre ativos. Obrigado a todos. Em 22/10/2014 18:25, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu: Talvez ele seja executado em tempo de execução do browser, tipo, existe algum arquivo javascript ou diversos que o chamam no momento que você acessa qualquer site, isso talvez até seja parte dos browser que você está usando. Faça um teste, instale TOR( No Debian conheço como Vidalia) e utilize o browser dele e veja se ainda ocorre o problema. O TOR é um projeto que visa fornecer meios de navegarmos anonimamente pela internet. Em 22 de outubro de 2014 16:19, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá novamente. Estou perdendo as esperanças de conseguir me livrar disso sem ter que reinstalar o sistema. Conforme sugeriu nosso amigo Luiz L. Marins, usei rkhunter, bleachbit e clamav. Nenhum rootkit detectado pelo rkhunter, limpeza completa realizada pelo bleachbit e escaneamento completo com clamav. Além disso, após a execução dos três softwares, excluí novamente os diretórios de perfil do navegador dos diretórios de todos os usuários, purguei os navegadores, reinstalei-os e NADA! Depois desta trabalheira toda o lazarento do adware ainda estava lá. Pensei que talvez essas reincidências eram causadas pelo sincronismo do chrome, então após a instalação do navegador, optei por realizar um teste de navegação ANTES de logar no chrome, e o maldito resultado foi o mesmo. Se mais alguém tiver mais alguma ideia, seria muitíssimo bem vindo, mas como eu disse no começo do e-mail: estou perdendo as esperanças... Obrigado mais uma vez. Em 19 de outubro de 2014 12:13, Eder Moraes eder.mcas...@gmail.com escreveu: Na minha opinião, não tem haver com o sistema e sim com seu navegador, algo afetou a configuração padrão do mesmo ou foi instalado algum complemento, plugin. Tente restaurar a configuração padrão do seu navegador, apague arquivos temporários de internet, remova plugins desnecessários, apague cookies, e dados de formulários, ou seja, faça uma limpeza completa, provavelmente resolva seu problema. Em 14/10/2014 14:00, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Boa tarde amigos listeiros. De uns tempos para cá percebi que minha máquina, rodando o bom e velho sistema do pinguim, está me dando trabalho com este adware, malware, malditoware, seja lá como costumam chamá-lo. A navegação está lenta, a tela é invadida por popups e ao acessar sites como o facebook, por exemplo, a tela de login é substituída por uma bem diferente da original do site. Pesquisando na internet, achei muita coisa para windows (inclusive recomendações para substituí-lo por Linux), mas nada que atendesse ao nosso sistema. Encontrei também informações para a remoção desta praga de máquinas rodando mac os, mas nada para o pinguim. Alguém faz alguma ideia de como me livrar desta tranqueira? Obrigado a todos. -- Atenciosamente, Nelson P. Ramos Linux User #448514 -- Atenciosamente, Nelson P. Ramos Linux User #448514
Re: Como remover o Akamaihd
(não sei se alguém postou esse link antes, sei que não é 4Linux, mas navegador é navegador) http://semvirus.pt/asrv-a-akamaihd-net-pop-up-ads/ Diego Rabatone Oliveira diraol(arroba)diraol(ponto)eng(ponto)br Identica: (@diraol) http://identi.ca/diraol Twitter: @diraol Em 27 de outubro de 2014 10:42, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu: Uma pergunta, como foi que você conseguiu identificar que esse akamai estava na sua maquina ? Em 25 de outubro de 2014 16:01, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoal, me desculpem, mas desisti. Acabei por reinstalar o sistema. Próximo passo será manter um antivírus e o firewall sempre ativos. Obrigado a todos. Em 22/10/2014 18:25, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu: Talvez ele seja executado em tempo de execução do browser, tipo, existe algum arquivo javascript ou diversos que o chamam no momento que você acessa qualquer site, isso talvez até seja parte dos browser que você está usando. Faça um teste, instale TOR( No Debian conheço como Vidalia) e utilize o browser dele e veja se ainda ocorre o problema. O TOR é um projeto que visa fornecer meios de navegarmos anonimamente pela internet. Em 22 de outubro de 2014 16:19, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá novamente. Estou perdendo as esperanças de conseguir me livrar disso sem ter que reinstalar o sistema. Conforme sugeriu nosso amigo Luiz L. Marins, usei rkhunter, bleachbit e clamav. Nenhum rootkit detectado pelo rkhunter, limpeza completa realizada pelo bleachbit e escaneamento completo com clamav. Além disso, após a execução dos três softwares, excluí novamente os diretórios de perfil do navegador dos diretórios de todos os usuários, purguei os navegadores, reinstalei-os e NADA! Depois desta trabalheira toda o lazarento do adware ainda estava lá. Pensei que talvez essas reincidências eram causadas pelo sincronismo do chrome, então após a instalação do navegador, optei por realizar um teste de navegação ANTES de logar no chrome, e o maldito resultado foi o mesmo. Se mais alguém tiver mais alguma ideia, seria muitíssimo bem vindo, mas como eu disse no começo do e-mail: estou perdendo as esperanças... Obrigado mais uma vez. Em 19 de outubro de 2014 12:13, Eder Moraes eder.mcas...@gmail.com escreveu: Na minha opinião, não tem haver com o sistema e sim com seu navegador, algo afetou a configuração padrão do mesmo ou foi instalado algum complemento, plugin. Tente restaurar a configuração padrão do seu navegador, apague arquivos temporários de internet, remova plugins desnecessários, apague cookies, e dados de formulários, ou seja, faça uma limpeza completa, provavelmente resolva seu problema. Em 14/10/2014 14:00, Nelson Ramos nelson.pra...@gmail.com escreveu: Boa tarde amigos listeiros. De uns tempos para cá percebi que minha máquina, rodando o bom e velho sistema do pinguim, está me dando trabalho com este adware, malware, malditoware, seja lá como costumam chamá-lo. A navegação está lenta, a tela é invadida por popups e ao acessar sites como o facebook, por exemplo, a tela de login é substituída por uma bem diferente da original do site. Pesquisando na internet, achei muita coisa para windows (inclusive recomendações para substituí-lo por Linux), mas nada que atendesse ao nosso sistema. Encontrei também informações para a remoção desta praga de máquinas rodando mac os, mas nada para o pinguim. Alguém faz alguma ideia de como me livrar desta tranqueira? Obrigado a todos. -- Atenciosamente, Nelson P. Ramos Linux User #448514 -- Atenciosamente, Nelson P. Ramos Linux User #448514
Re: http://debianfork.org/
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:05:05PM +, P. J. wrote: Em 24 de outubro de 2014 18:58, Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu: O problema é tomar informação a partir de artigos, tanto mais artigos que tem seu argumento principal na vilanização do outro. Trolls? Se você se der ao trabalho de ler alguns argumentos, vai compreender que estão em disputa dois paradigmas de computação. Gostei do seu texto, só discordo na definição de paradigmas da computação, acredito q seja mesmo um problema de eng. de sofwtare (coesão e baixo acoplamento) para a manutenibilidade envolvida com essas mudanças. Software é assim mesmo, veja o caso do alsa x pulseaudio (outra briga boa tb), Mas gosto da linha de poder ter que usar outra alternativas se forem viável é claro... Torço que vença a melhor opção que esteja proxima da evolução, pq legado, embora existam alguns importantes, é algo que castra muitas outras coisas. PS: Se falei besteira sintam-se a vontade em corrigir Não vejo como correção, mas como mudança de perspectiva. Nem sei se de fato discordamos, aquilo que você chama de um problema de engenharia de software e dá uma solução coesão e baixo acoplamento, eu vejo como sendo um dos paradigmas, exposto em outros termos. Esse um problema é fundamental na dinâmica de produção, manutenção, inteligibilidade e interoperabilidade dos códigos de modo que as soluções propostas acabam se tornando paradigmas na forma de se pensar um campo de problemas da computação. Não discordo que estes problemas sejam afetos à engenharia mais que à teoria da computação. Porém, o que na engenharia é problema semelhante em suas diversas áreas e tem respostas diferentes, simultaneamente funcionais, tornando-se uma questão de preferências em um sistema de múltiplos valores conflitantes, na computação é uma escolha que vai determinar de alguma forma os próprios problemas que a computação vai se propor a solucionar, quais ela reserva à máquina e quais ela reserva ao humano. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#Etymology Humanos também podem computar, porém computam a uma velocidade infinitamente menor que as máquinas. Máquinas computam a uma velocidade extraordinária, mas nem todos os problemas são fácilmente redutíveis à linguagem algébrica. Alguns problemas são resolvidos com grande facilidade por humanos, mas requerem uma descrição extremamente verborrágica para que as máquinas possam tomar decisões sem interação humana imediata. Por conta disto insisto em dizer que há uma divisão de paradigmas da computação. Em um deles há um esforço em apresentar e manter as máquinas como ferramentas genéricas e as linguagens de programação como interface que permite aos humanos descreverem problemas cuja solução é tediosa, repetitiva e passível de erro humano para que sejam solucionados por objetos que são incansáveis e de comportamento previsível. No outro, há um esforço em apresentar as máquinas como um objeto mágico capaz de tudo e os humanos como seres incapazes de raciocínio, meros seguidores de instruções, incapazes de lidar com a complexidade de mais de um botão no mouse ou de um texto técnico, periféricos da cpu que no mais das vezes apenas clicam em imagens ou informam textos em formulários. Segundo esta visão, a alfabetização digital é irrelevante e as linguagens de programação são de interesse exclusivo de técnicos, as linguagens de baixo nível como inferiores ou menos evoluídas que as de alto nível, o modo texto como inferior ao modo gráfico, o que veio antes como inferior ao que veio depois. Não foram poucos os usuários debian, leia-se, usuários que são mais curiosos e interessados em computadores que a média geral e que tem maior compreensão de seu funcionamento e suas potências, que durante os debates reafirmaram a posição de que sysvinit é antigo, logo precisa ser substituído; systemd é feito por devs da maior empresa de software livre, logo eles devem saber o que estão fazendo e devemos acatar suas decisões. Não foram poucos também que levantaram o simples argumento do instalei e está funcionando normal, logo os que reclaram são trolls. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Alinhamento de disco setor 128
Galera o motivo para entrarmos no modo expert do fdisk,e setar o inicio do setor para 128 isso se dá por qual motivo? Abraços. -- Leandro Paulo
Italia prohíbe la imposición de Windows en PCs nuevos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Tribunal Supremo italiano ha declarado ilegal la práctica de obligar a los usuarios a pagar por una licencia de Windows pre-instalado cuando compran un nuevo PC. “Una victoria para el software libre sobre el ‘impuesto de Microsoft'”, titula en un artículo la Free Software Foundation, con el anuncio de una sentencia que puede ser relevante en la industria tecnológica. Ya sabes de qué va esto del Windows en PCs nuevos. Compras un ordenador nuevo y con mínimas excepciones, los mayoría de fabricantes pre-instalan sistemas operativos Windows. Y no es voluntario, tanto si lo quieres o no, lo vayas a usar o no, instalando sistemas alternativos como GNU/Linux o incluso otro Windows del que tuvieras una licencia anterior. Leia mais aqui: http://www.muycomputer.com/2014/10/25/windows-en-pcs-nuevos -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUTvfaAAoJECzdJHoq6+C9i7AP/2EKuNKRLdgvVQmvqIPpdk10 8cSuSkMEPJOCKczIbtn+yK3hZuEFnavcgfaC/NzBlYULNEcINFmN8SujzstwQl8P lX1NBHTbPAG7B4H+ND+kd7A8gefMfJg6W6KztdLJPt6BpEVqcJ7ICIC8fSbUb9rj oDYpBfIpHPfy/oA26MlbjrpNgD3mhCui6p2nOUyAqguRj7aLLp7l+6n6UQqZ/rA8 +28CznJAoJnakcgfEgsmmG0gvzbGJQPk3iw6ffr8NGGBX3y4XsuHaK0Q5GvxgBDO SWAAmcRB20imAk5FglOZT7Ql81ITCu6ffqhcl2AT798r2Rsq+BV61kW0VlmvOEJI 0dt4UvVePpwRcSJu2XTtX6smEDbQpMyCKxC28B6TUBWAB0VoiRsoirhDBa8VrXMA MZobhvoys/MTUeLkWB9EOWE7yPgZL4dkOumsnqXjpLER0FapLLJbR+arkOvA+Xby kfqRBNsPmQUVAuzsi+Xy1buZD/N5zWfGd5NOZIl1iE0G3iYyd4qlQ5IGKnpbkcw6 7vGQU+cqjMjn1wbGs7/MmqzITVGQrQkLxfZQFGm8VoMWDbipBIgqdqMpyl8J1Y2x RfHXI+yVdYBAr7z5V3lARPR8kiXKFGJXcq3Y+/DPY6uzCjgNg9SjewSgStf9zqIo rbe4Rjr5/2ZlPYEmZtFO =JvV7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544ef7da@softwarelivre.org
Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:23:13 +, Brad Rogersb...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:56:12 + St-Laurent, Pierre pstla...@odu.edu wrote: Hello Pierre, Thanks Brad for giving it a try. You're welcome. I think this confirms that the problem only affects stable (wheezy). I had to look up the version supplied in stable. At v3.15.6 it's /ancient/ in browser terms. As a side note, the video runs fine on Internet Explorer and on Android. You don't say which versions of IE or Android browser you're using, but I'll bet they're more recent than the version of Iceweasel you're running. I hate to say, it, but that's a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Look again - the version of Iceweasel in stable is 31.2.0, Debian has started to provide the ESR version of Iceweasel to the stable Debian release. I have no idea where you got that 3.15.6 version information from. To be specific: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1. Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran apt-get update apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system. -- Bob Holtzman Giant intergalactic brain-sucking hyperbacteria came to Earth to rape our women and create a race of mindless zombies. Look! It's working! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Good news on claws-mail
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Do you use tmux? No, I do not really see the interest of using it, I must admit it. One advantage is that you can detach from the session and even log out and come back later, and it also survives the X server going down. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87d29eig4m@gulltop.yagibdah.de
Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt
On 27/10/14 07:18, Bob Holtzman wrote: Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran apt-get update apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system. I suggest to everyone wanting to know the available versions of some Debian package using packages.debian.org. For iceweasel in all suites: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweaselsearchon=namesexact=1 Bye, Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544df80c.2030...@gmail.com
Re: Screen doesn't turn off
On Oct 26, 2014 6:08 PM, Alan Greenberger ala...@ptd.net wrote: On 2014-10-23, Catalin Soare lolinux.so...@gmail.com wrote: --001a11397ac09df76505061dfacf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I've got 2 computera, both running Debian Wheezy, all updates applied. One of them seems to ignore the Brightness and lock setting which should make the screen turn off after 30 minutes. It simply remains on all day or night. Anyone have a clue what additional setting I should check? type xset q. If it reports that DPMS is not enabled, type xset +dpms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm4q44g.jdu.alanjg@archduke.router I think that did it. Thank you. -- Sent from my Brick(TM)
Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt
On 27/10/14 18:45, Simon Hollenbach wrote: On 27/10/14 07:18, Bob Holtzman wrote: Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran apt-get update apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system. I suggest to everyone wanting to know the available versions of some Debian package using packages.debian.org. For iceweasel in all suites: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweaselsearchon=namesexact=1 Yes. But not to be confused with what versions of Icedove *can* be installed in a given Debian release:- http://mozilla.debian.net/ Bye, Simon Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544debf3.10...@gmail.com
Re: Debian and upstream choices
Please do not Cc me personally. Hello Lee, Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2014, 00:05:03 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On any account, my attempt to bring this upstream did not produce the outcome I wanted to produce, so I stopped it. Well, remember what I told you? Well yes. You didn´t know the outcome. I didn´t either. You guessed. Unfortunately the outcome was more as you guessed than as I hoped. So what actually is the point. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8787213.dzuIpkdb6n@merkaba
Re: debian-installer grub install problem
Hi On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 09:06:26PM -0700, Ric Marques wrote: I need to install wheezy via pxe boot to many (hundreds) of systems. The problem I am currently running into in my testing is that my boot drive is enumerated by udev as /dev/sdat in many of those systems, and the grub-install routine inside debian-installer will not install to that device... I already have worked out how to select the proper device with a script in preseed. FAI apepars to have no problem with such things - perhaps the code for FAI (mostly just scripts) can be used as inspiration? Is there a way to manipulate udev rules so that I can force my boot drive to always enumerate as sda, or is there a way to get grub-install to work with more than the first 16 devices (that is where I found it to stop working /dev/sdp). Alternatively, if all of your systems have identical(ish) hardware, you may be able to use /dev/disk/by-path/X instead? Any suggestions, besides the painfully obvious (and nearly impossible) removal of the extra 45 drives in each of the systems? Personally, I find it much easier to install using FAI than basic pre-seeding - FAI is much more customizable, and allows you to set up the resulting system exactly as you want (e.g. including kicking off puppet, cfgengine and similar), without needing any manual intervention. Hope this helps -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027094917.GA9371@hawking
Exim 4 configuration/package problems
Hello, I'm having a problem which stems from me accidentally deleting the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template file. I figured it would be a simple matter of removing and re-installing the package, but it does not seem to be. I have even tried purging. Currently, if I try to do a purge of exim4, this is what happens: # apt-get purge exim4 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package 'exim4' is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 81 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up exim4-config (4.80-7+deb7u1) ... 2014-10-27 10:51:41 Exim configuration error in line 169 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: authenticator name missing Invalid new configfile /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp, not installing /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated dpkg: error processing exim4-config (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of exim4-base: exim4-base depends on exim4-config (= 4.30) | exim4-config-2; however: Package exim4-config is not configured yet. Package exim4-config-2 is not installed. Package exim4-config which provides exim4-config-2 is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing exim4-base (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of exim4-daemon-light: exim4-daemon-light depends on exim4-base (= 4.80); however: Package exim4-base is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing exim4-daemon-light (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: exim4-config exim4-base exim4-daemon-light E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) # Please tell me how to sort this mess out! :-) Thanks! Paul (hoping it does not involve a complete OS re-install!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e246e.5060...@soi-team.org
Re: Exim 4 configuration/package problems
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:54:38 + Paul Duncan pau...@soi-team.org wrote: Hello Paul, Currently, if I try to do a purge of exim4, this is what happens: exim4 is a meta-package that pulls in various others. It does not contain the file you deleted. A search at https://packages.debian.org/ shows that exim4.conf.template is in exim4-config. Try re-installing that. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane Nightrain - Guns 'N' Roses pgpMawfmSFDe3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: reInstalling my laptop
On 10/26/2014 3:17 PM, Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be wrote: Thank so much for your answers. After reading them in the list archives, I think I will go for: - no dedicated partition for /boot; For my new debian groupware server (sogo, working great so far), I just installed with the defaults, which apparently is no separate /boot... On gentoo at least, a separate /boot is recommended (or at least provided in the example) in the handbook, for one security reason... It is also auto-unmounted after booting (at least I know I didn't do anything myself to configure that), and it does make sense that it is kind of impossible for anything to modify an unmounted filesystem... Now, whether or not that actually provides any real security buffer, or it falls into the category of feel-good 'security-through-obscurity' is beyond me to answer definitively... I've actually always wondered about this, so I think I'll go ask on the gentoo list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e2997.2020...@libertytrek.org
Re: Exim 4 configuration/package problems
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:12:34 + Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: Hello, is in exim4-config. Try re-installing that. Should have said ...just that. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent I ain't got no time for intellectual music, e.g. Hergest Ridge Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie - Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias pgpFHeTmrpVdL.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Exim 4 configuration/package problems
Hi Brad, Thanks very much for that. Purging exim4-config and then doing a complete apt-get install of exim4 did the trick :-) Cheers, Paul. On 27/10/14 11:12, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:54:38 + Paul Duncan pau...@soi-team.org wrote: Hello Paul, Currently, if I try to do a purge of exim4, this is what happens: exim4 is a meta-package that pulls in various others. It does not contain the file you deleted. A search at https://packages.debian.org/ shows that exim4.conf.template is in exim4-config. Try re-installing that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e2d4d.3090...@soi-team.org
Re: Installing/updating packages are very slow
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:37:32PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 25/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 25 oct 14, 19:04:18, Bret Busby wrote: :~# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on ... /dev/sda8 77G 73G 194M 100% /home Can't tell if this is the source of you problems, but I've seen all sorts of strange failures with a full /home, including X not starting at all. You should probably do something about this. Kind regards, Andrei With the discrepancy shown; Size: 77G Used: 73G Avail : 194M MIA: 4G I am wondering whether the time has come, for Linux to implement disc defragmenting. Some filesystems available in linux *do* support defragmentation: XFS has xfs_fsr for online defragmentation, just as an example. I believe there are general-purpose programs that use the same algorithm, too (copy the file, delete the copy with fewer fragments, repeat). However, I don't think this MIA amount is due to fragmentation, but is actually the portion reserved for root: 5% of 77 is 3.85 ~= 4. What I have observed, in insufficient resources (apart from when I run out of space for downloading incoming email), is notsomuch insufficient disc space, but, the problem of the memory not swapping (note the memory usage, and, the swap space usage), leading to things going wonky. Also, some times, when the home partition disc space gets close top running out, and I have to force a reboot for other reasons, the rebooting magically frees up as much as about 1 to 1.5 gigabyte of disc space. Strange. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PAr1UxJUgiAgr7OZDhKbGedo=foh1j4rnuskpwktq...@mail.gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 04:17:55PM -0500, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: I'd like to install Debian in an unmanaged VPS which has Debian installed already. This is so that I can customize the installation by using LVM for instance. I'm following https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote but it seems like I'd have to keep an ISO image in the hard disk and would need to keep at least one partition intact. Is there a way to avoid this?. If you have multiple partitions, such that you can put the ISO on one and do the initial installation into LVM on the other, then once you have the new installation up and running, you can format the old partition (with the ISO on it) as an LVM physical volume and add it to your volume group to end up with a volume group pretty much the same as if you'd installed with just one larger PV. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027123434.ga6...@chew.redmars.org
Re: Exim 4 configuration/package problems
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:32:29 + Paul Duncan pau...@soi-team.org wrote: Hello Paul, Thanks very much for that. Purging exim4-config and then doing a complete apt-get install of exim4 did the trick :-) You're welcome. Although I was far from sure that it would work, I had my fingers crossed. :-) -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Well well well, you just can't tell My Michelle - Guns 'N' Roses pgpRTuiXzaiQ6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Am 26.10.2014 23:38, schrieb lee: libsystemd0 is just 140 KiB and contains utility functions that might be useful for programs interfacing with systemd. It is absolutely harmless on systems with another init system, it will just tell the programs that systemd is not running. logger itself works just fine without systemd being PID1, just the --journald option will not work then. So now we are supposed to install packages to have software with no other function than to tell other software that software we don't have installed on our system isn't running. Yes, but that has always been the case. If you look at Wheezy, then coreutils (cp, mv, ls, ...) requires the following libraries: - libacl1 - libattr1 - libselinux1 If you don't use extended attributes, POSIX ACLs or SELinux, you technically won't need either of those, and you could use coreutils not linked against these. But Debian wants to appeal to all sorts of users: people who use POSIX ACLs and people who don't. People who use SELinux and people who don't. Take for example the command 'cp -p' (preserve file attributes/permissions): if you want that command to be able to copy POSIX ACLs and extended attributes, the cp command must be linked against libattr1 and libacl1. Otherwise, it can only copy UNIX permissions and the basic attributes such as modification time. If you use it to copy files that have none of those, this won't matter and ACL and xattr support will have no effect, i.e. harmless. But if other people want to use it on files with xattrs and ACLs, then cp will need to be linked against those libraries. Of course, you could devise ever-complicated schemes on how to dynamically load these dependencies at runtime so that you save a few KiB in install size and a couple of CPU cycles (which are probably canceled out by the amount of CPU cycles this more complicated scheme takes). But why bother? These types of libraries are relatively small (of the order of 100 KiB) and have no side effects if the features are not used. Sure, if you are building an embedded system with just a few megabytes of flash storage, then even 100 KiB might be a bit much - but Debian wasn't designed for that, and coreutils (which is the example here that depends on the aforementioned libraries) is itself ~ 13-14 MiB on Wheezy... That's an abuse of dependencies, and I consider it a bug. If you really want to expunge all code that is even remotely related to $X (with $X being systemd, SELinux or whatever), you should probably consider a distribution that allows you to customize your build process, such as Gentoo. Binary distributions, unless they wanted to have builds for all possible combination of features in software (which is an exponentially large number) will ALWAYS have code installed you are not going to use. - libsystemd0 systemd utility functions for use in software interfacing with systemd. Does not require systemd to be PID1. That shouldn't need to be installed when systemd isn't used. Let's say I write a daemon that implements systemd's readiness protocol, and instead of linking against libsystemd0 I just implement the protocol itself. This will be a bit of code inside the daemon that checks how the daemon was started and depending on the outcome uses that protocol or not. This is exactly what the sd_notify() function in libsystemd0 does, but the protocol is so simple that one can easily do that by hand. Since the code is harmless when used on non-systemd systems, I always leave it in and don't provide a possibility for disabling it (since it's not necessary to disable it). Then somebody goes on and packages this daemon for Debian. And you find the functionality provided by that daemon to be useful. Do you then not use the daemon because it knows how to talk to systemd? The daemon doesn't use that functionality if started from something else, so it's not like it's going to affect your system. But it has code in it that in some way in some shape or form relates to systemd. A few packages don't only ship init scripts but also systemd service files. On non-systemd systems those files just lie around and do nothing. Should packages stop installing them because it's related to 'systemd'? What about upstart init files? Quite a few packages ship Debian menu files and/or freedesktop.org .desktop files for the inclusion in menus. For example, bc installs a Debian menu file. On a server, you might want to have bc (for shell script automation or the such), but you are probably not going to install a software that processes the menu files. (Before I get lots of replies to this: I said probably. ;-)) Should bc not ship this menu file then? So basically, if you don't want systemd: - you will not get around libsystemd0, but that is really, really harmless (you also don't get grid of libselinux on jessie, but I don't see anybody complaining there, because its functionality is disabled by default, same with
Re: Strange behavior in real terminals
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 03:06:04PM -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: Hello. I noticed that by using the cursor keys in the default terminals (Ctrl+Alt+1 to 6) one can move the cursor to empty lines. Is this how it is supposed to behave?. No. Bash usually hooks the Up and Down cursor keys to history-recall functions; that is, pressing Up recalls the most recent line from history, Up again the next most recent and so on. However, this isn't a permanent hook; that is, it's only set up when bash thinks it needs to do so (at the start of a session is the most obvious time). If a program has corrupted the terminal, then this hook may have been lost so up and down do something different. Running the reset command *should* reset the terminal (clear the screen, reconfigure the keys and so on). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544d623c.3040...@yandex.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Good news on claws-mail
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 02:41:26PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 23.10.2014 20:40, lee a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly when I close/spawn terminals and sessions. # append history rather than overwriting it shopt -s histappend Interesting. I'll try this ASAP. Do you use tmux? No, I do not really see the interest of using it, I must admit it. tmux has many benefits (especially when SSHing into a system) * You can disconnect your terminal emulator from your session and it will continue to run. You can reattach from anywhere. * You can mulitplex your terminal (hence the name), so that one connection (one Putty window, for example) can host numerous windows * You can copy and paste between windows server-side (which may be useful in secure settings; want to copy a password from one file to another, without worrying if something on the client machine is monitoring you?) * You can even connect to a tmux session from multiple places and tmux will intelligently resize the window to the smallest viewer. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3682d558c5ae72aa35d1b8e85f018...@neutralite.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε: To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we have in the software we want to use has a large emotional component. For example, I don't think you can put my opinion of GNOME into purely technical terms.[3] So I don't think that it's a bad thing for people to say I am emotionally attached to sysvinit and want to keep using it, but to rant against a dependency on something that DOES NOT PREVENT YOU from doing so, doesn't seem to be a very rational way of going about things to me. A quick search reveals the following. I've a software that use libuuid. Until now, the uuidd had the ability to start on-demand the uuidd if the later, quotting ... setuid to an unprivileged user (e.g. uuidd:uuidd). After that commit[1], i'm forced to use systemd, if i don't want to start uuidd from the beginning. That's new for me... [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/988355c55d424bedee7f12eeea6a2...@nephelae.eu
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Στις 27-10-2014 16:05, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis έγραψε: Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε: To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we have in the software we want to use has a large emotional component. For example, I don't think you can put my opinion of GNOME into purely technical terms.[3] So I don't think that it's a bad thing for people to say I am emotionally attached to sysvinit and want to keep using it, but to rant against a dependency on something that DOES NOT PREVENT YOU from doing so, doesn't seem to be a very rational way of going about things to me. A quick search reveals the following. I've a software that use libuuid. Until now, the uuidd had the ability to start on-demand the uuidd if the later, quotting ... setuid to an unprivileged user (e.g. uuidd:uuidd). After that commit[1], i'm forced to use systemd, if i don't want to start uuidd from the beginning. That's new for me... [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html fix: ... Until now, the libuuid had the ability to start on-demand the uuidd ... My point is that, systemd and it's ecosystem, pollutes my favourite OS. Plain and simple. It's too intrusive. Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4472696391b302d188a2358515b1f...@nephelae.eu
Re: Who's locking down the code?
Στις 25-10-2014 20:30, goli...@riseup.net έγραψε: On 2014-10-25 12:14, Laurent Bigonville wrote: golinux wrote: Would appreciate comments on this observation: Look at the source code (while you're at it, note who are the upstream maintainers of util-linux). Even they (so far) allow compilation without systemd. It is Debian who are introducing systemd dependencies even where it is actually optional in the upstream source. If upstream is allowing choice, why is Debian cutting it off? Maybe I'm missing something . . . golinux The fact that an executable is linked against a systemd library doesn't automatically mean you have to run systemd as PID1. This is especially true for the sd-daemon and sd-journal libraries in this case. Laurent Bigonville I have heard that argument before. I counter that it's about more than PID1. It seems that even having systemd libraries etc. is a little like being somewhat pregnant - precursors to a little bundle of joy to be delivered at a later date when the PTB see fit. In other words, a trojan of sorts that will come to bite us. Sorry, not much trust these days . . . :( I tend to agree with you golinux. We'll maybe forced to use systemd, if we don't want to start uuidd daemon from the start, cause of this commit in util-linux, libuuid[1]. [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/933bff6fb36b2b571c2cbf0168e6a...@nephelae.eu
Re: Who's locking down the code?
This is something called util-linux-ng which isn't even in Debian. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8738a9lgtm@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 23:18:28 -0700, Bob Holtzmanhol...@cox.net wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: -- 8 -- Look again - the version of Iceweasel in stable is 31.2.0, Debian has started to provide the ESR version of Iceweasel to the stable Debian release. I have no idea where you got that 3.15.6 version information from. To be specific: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1. Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran apt-get update apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system. What architecture is your system? Do you have the security repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list? If you are running on (amongst a few other architecures) amd64 or i386, and have a line like deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main in your sources.list, you should get the 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 version. -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se gus...@gusnan.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027154746.3c448...@debian-workstation.lan
Re: Who's locking down the code?
Στις 27-10-2014 16:37, John Hasler έγραψε: This is something called util-linux-ng which isn't even in Debian. Plz, prove that i'm wrong. Quotting, util-linux is a standard package of the Linux operating system. A fork, util-linux-ng—with ng meaning next generation—was created when development stalled,[1] but as of January 2011 has been renamed back to util-linux, and is the official version of the package.[2] [1] Karel Zak (2006-12-18). [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng fork. https://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/18/19 [2] Karel Zak (2010-12-01). [ANNOUNCE] util-linux without -ng. Retrieved 2014-04-12. https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/12/1/464 Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25794793d8b14bd4a63ef02483d73...@nephelae.eu
Re: Who's locking down the code?
On 27/10/14 14:37, John Hasler wrote: This is something called util-linux-ng which isn't even in Debian. The internet tells me that the current upstream incarnation of util-linux was called util-linux-ng between 2006-2010, and apparently has not had its mailing list renamed when the project itself was renamed to util-linux. https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/pkg-util-linux.git/tree/README?h=debian-2.24 says 'Note that in years 2006-2010 this project used the name util-linux-ng.' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e5bef.1010...@zen.co.uk
Re: EFI SecureBoot and Trusted Computing in Debian
* Marty: What I call the manifesto [1] claims that UEFI SecureBoot is needed in a post Snowden World. I don't think it's true. Apple and some Android devices are already locked down very tightly, and it is not clear that this has helped to protect users' privacy and prevent access to stored information without their authorization. Independent of that, we previously discussed the Microsoft Secure Boot policy change/clarification: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/01/msg00042.html The referenced policy keeps changing (the article has been revised a couple of times since publication). The current iteration approximately matches which was discussed in the thread on debian-project. (An older version required use of an EV-compliant code signing CA for the embedded CA certificates, which means FIPS 140-2 Level *3*, which is really expensive to implement.) There is also the larger policy question if we want platform lockdown through a cryptographically verified boot process, and cryptographically secured userspace, including remote attestation capabilities. Mozilla has announced that they plan to add DRM support to Firefox: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/ Coupled with remote attestation, this could enable web site operators to restrict access to client devices which use vendor keys and run authorized Firefox binaries only. In this possible outcome, the ability of device owners to enroll their own keys would be increasingly meaningless because once you do that, you'd lose access to lots of online content (probably even your Gmail inbox—because an unauthorized browser could have automation to accelerate sending spam). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87d29dttu2@mid.deneb.enyo.de
Re: Exim 4 configuration/package problems
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Paul Duncan wrote: Thanks very much for that. Purging exim4-config and then doing a complete apt-get install of exim4 did the trick :-) For the record, you don't need to purge and reinstall to get back configuration files you may have accidentally deleted. Just use: UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true apt-get -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall foopkg; -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that, too. -- W. Somerset Maugham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027153143.gk15...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Am 27.10.2014 15:05, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε: To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we have in the software we want to use has a large emotional component. For example, I don't think you can put my opinion of GNOME into purely technical terms.[3] So I don't think that it's a bad thing for people to say I am emotionally attached to sysvinit and want to keep using it, but to rant against a dependency on something that DOES NOT PREVENT YOU from doing so, doesn't seem to be a very rational way of going about things to me. A quick search reveals the following. I've a software that use libuuid. Until now, the uuidd had the ability to start on-demand the uuidd if the later, quotting ... setuid to an unprivileged user (e.g. uuidd:uuidd). After that commit[1], i'm forced to use systemd, if i don't want to start uuidd from the beginning. That's new for me... [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Could you do me a favor and reread the paragraph I wrote? I explicitly said that I didn't have a problem with people saying that they wanted to continue using sysvinit for whatever reasons, I was merely responding to the fact that some people have an allergic reaction to anything that contains the word 'systemd' (going so far that some people extend that disdain to the compatibility layer called 'systemd-shim' that is NOT written by the systemd authors), and I was directly responding to an email where somebody was complaining about libsystemd0. In your case, the technical part of your issue lies not in the fact that uuidd supports systemd-style socket activation. Your issue is with the fact that after socket activation was added to uuidd, the previous on-demand starting method was removed from it. So the core issue is that they removed a feature you were using, not that they added another. Btw. the commit you are referencing just updated the init script, the change in libuuid was done over 2 years ago: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/utils/util-linux/util-linux.git/commit/libuuid/src/gen_uuid.c?id=ea4f8845f0241c714f9487ece5bb6900fc18a9e0 That all said: I can understand why the util-linux people wanted to get rid of the old on-demand mechanism: it's potentially error-prone and may leak context from the program using libuuid into uuidd. Say, for example, you put the daemon using libuuid into a cgroup - not with systemd, but with for example cgconfig. And then that daemon starts uuidd because it's the first to request a UUID. uuidd will then live in the same cgroup as the daemon. If the administrator then uses the 'freezer' cgroup to atomically stop the entire service that initially started uuidd, then uuidd will get stopped alongside with it as 'collateral damage'. And then other services using it will block because uuidd is still running but they have to wait until it responds again. This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this context could be cleaned up if uuidd were setuid root (and not setuid uuidd), but not all of it necessarily. Now, this probably will not have been a problem in your specific case. So yes, you lost a feature there. But put yourself in the perspective of the developers of util-linux: - drop an error-prone and potentially security-relevant mechanism for on-demand startup - add support for on-demand startup that will work on a large number of installations (systemd being quite prevalent already then) - on all other installations: it will now have to be started from the very beginning Obviously, the latter part is not optimal for you, but uuidd will keep working on your system, so I don't see what the huge problem is. If something on my system goes from socket activation to always started or the other way around, I usually don't care that much, as long as it keeps working. To be honest, let's say there was no systemd, no socket activation, nothing. If people had asked me (which they wouldn't have, but anyway ;-)), I would have advised the util-linux developers to remove on-demand activation via fork/exec anyway, because of potential problems, and always start it at boot. (It's not like it's a database server that takes forever to start and takes up tons of RAM.) Finally: Upstart also supports socket activation. It's not quite as powerful as systemd's, but is has enough features for this use case. I don't know the people developing util-linux, but I could imagine them accepting a patch to also support Upstart-style socket activation, if one were to write such a patch.[1] Also, if you have an idea of how to solve on-demand activation without socket activation in the init system but not using the same hack as libuuid did before, then I can also imagine them accepting such a patch. Christian [1] Or, if you want to: a while back I wrote some code to translate
Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie
Le 27.10.2014 01:12, Santiago Vila a écrit : On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is there any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 3.18.x). Is this important at all? You will always be able to build your own kernel or use one from backports. The importance is that, this version of the kernel is not a LTS (but it seems that Ubuntu will maintain it anyway...). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5ac7939249e98a0bc7f374a9ddf8a...@neutralite.org
Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
I am interesting in using Jessie. The Debian page at https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ presents me with 4 ISO's: Beta 1, Beta 2, Weekly, Daily. When it comes to stability, which one is the best? Also, a sub question: the following line confuses me: Installing with the Debian-Installer. I am assuming the installer is the bootable ISO file. The title seems to imply there are other ways to install Debian. are there? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
apt.conf.d: Multiple declarations of one value?
Hi! Does anyone know if it is possible to specify a configuration option in apt.conf.d multiple times and all values will be used? Example: $ cat 50unattended-upgrades [...] Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { origin=Debian,archive=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security; }; [...] $ cat 90local [...] Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { origin=Other,label=Other-Security; }; [...] Or will then only the last definition be used? TIA mad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544e820c.90...@sharktooth.de
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
softwatt: I am interesting in using Jessie. The Debian page at https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ presents me with 4 ISO's: Beta 1, Beta 2, Weekly, Daily. When it comes to stability, which one is the best? What do you mean exactly when you say stability? The latest beta has known issues here: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata The dailies/wweeklies might not have these issues anymore but may have others. I'd just try the most current daily build. I expect it to work for most cases. Also, a sub question: the following line confuses me: Installing with the Debian-Installer. I am assuming the installer is the bootable ISO file. The title seems to imply there are other ways to install Debian. are there? From the bottom of the page you linked to: | If you read only one document before installing, read our Installation | Howto, a quick walkthrough of the installation process. http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html It mentions four installation methods. J. -- I am no longer prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:24 PM, softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: I am interesting in using Jessie. The Debian page at https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ presents me with 4 ISO's: Beta 1, Beta 2, Weekly, Daily. When it comes to stability, which one is the best? If you're concerned about stability, you may be best off sticking with the official releases. If you want to try it out, the latest named beta release is probably the next best. You should only use the snapshot releases if you're confident you can fix any problems you may encounter. (Probably the same applies to the beta releases as well.) Also, a sub question: the following line confuses me: Installing with the Debian-Installer. I am assuming the installer is the bootable ISO file. The title seems to imply there are other ways to install Debian. are there? Sure. There are things like debootstrap which don't use the installer. https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAC73aR27YciS1XoW_o0j1nd=q3pu9z5ozwnsyzk7s_mxiks...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: | If you read only one document before installing, read our Installation | Howto, a quick walkthrough of the installation process. http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html It mentions four installation methods. That's four different methods to boot the normal Debian installer, not four different installers. Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAC73aR2jybApkohh3cz2Suo9Q53pG6VP=zexcjsgr3hyzib...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On 10/27/2014 07:58 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: | If you read only one document before installing, read our Installation | Howto, a quick walkthrough of the installation process. http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html It mentions four installation methods. That's four different methods to boot the normal Debian installer, not four different installers. Eric That's exactly my point. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On 10/27/2014 07:53 PM, Jochen Spieker wrote: I'd just try the most current daily build. I expect it to work for most cases. On 10/27/2014 07:56 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote: If you want to try it out, the latest named beta release is probably the next best. Those are two conflicting opinions, and that's exactly my dilemma. Both claims have a reasonable rationale behind them, but which one is right in practice? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
Also, when Jessie becomes stable, will an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade give me the same stable version, regardless of which base system I installed? (Daily, Weekly,Beta) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:25 PM, softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: On 10/27/2014 07:53 PM, Jochen Spieker wrote: I'd just try the most current daily build. I expect it to work for most cases. On 10/27/2014 07:56 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote: If you want to try it out, the latest named beta release is probably the next best. Those are two conflicting opinions, and that's exactly my dilemma. Both claims have a reasonable rationale behind them, but which one is right in practice? It's kind of like asking which size shirt should you buy: small, medium, or large? Which one is right depends a lot on who you are. I run unstable at home, but I've been using Debian for 19 years and feel confident in my abilities to handle any breakage, at least well enough to get the machine to hobble along, and if not, it's not the end of the world. It's not an enterprise production environment. What's right for me in my environment might not be right for you in yours. Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cac73ar0wcov48wuzgk3sgr66_qagnomdyop9bmmj-kwqpy_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian and upstream choices
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Please do not Cc me personally. Hello Lee, Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2014, 00:05:03 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On any account, my attempt to bring this upstream did not produce the outcome I wanted to produce, so I stopped it. Well, remember what I told you? Well yes. You didn´t know the outcome. I didn´t either. You guessed. Unfortunately the outcome was more as you guessed than as I hoped. So what actually is the point. The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take issues upstream. It's not as easy to faciliate change as you seem to think. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87mw8hgwl5@gulltop.yagibdah.de
Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading
On Du, 26 oct 14, 14:54:45, Keith Christian wrote: Hi Andrei, Thanks for the extra commands. Unfortunately, some don't work on my Wheezy system, are you using a more recent version of aptitude or apt-get perhaps? No, just a few typos, sorry. Here is some output: aptitude search '?upgradeable' E: Unknown term type: upgradeable. Correct: aptitude search '?upgradable' apt-get policy debian-reference-en E: Invalid operation policy That's 'apt-cache' of course, as you found out. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On Lu, 27 oct 14, 20:27:57, softwatt wrote: Also, when Jessie becomes stable, will an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade give me the same stable version, regardless of which base system I installed? (Daily, Weekly,Beta) Same package versions, but that doesn't necessarily mean the system would be identical, since package maintainers may choose to treat upgrades from previous package versions different than first installs. However, we are quite late in the release cycle (9 days util freeze), differences should be minimal (if any). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jessie: Weekly or Beta?
On Lu, 27 oct 14, 19:24:25, softwatt wrote: Also, a sub question: the following line confuses me: Installing with the Debian-Installer. I am assuming the installer is the bootable ISO file. The title seems to imply there are other ways to install Debian. are there? Debootstrap was already mentioned and there's also FAI. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt.conf.d: Multiple declarations of one value?
On Lu, 27 oct 14, 18:34:04, mad wrote: Hi! Does anyone know if it is possible to specify a configuration option in apt.conf.d multiple times and all values will be used? Example: $ cat 50unattended-upgrades [...] Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { origin=Debian,archive=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security; }; [...] $ cat 90local [...] Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { origin=Other,label=Other-Security; }; [...] Or will then only the last definition be used? Try apt-config dump | grep Unattended-Upgrade Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Need help setting up printing in Jessie
I'm running Jessie on an HP Pentium host that's a several years old. Desktop software is Xfce4 and CUPS from a Debian repository, as is all software on the box. Printing works for the LibreOffice suite, but not for Emacs23-lucid, or for plain text files. What do I need to do to get them configured? I particularly want to get working the Emacs23 Postscript Print Buffer, as I use Emacs for my Bash script and email writing. Is there some debug mode that I can turn on to get more information? What happens is basically nothing. I select the B+W print buffer from the file menu in the Emacs23-lucid window, and... nothing comes out of my printer, and nothing is added to the jobs list in CUPS. TIA -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141027214119.gb24...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading
And using aptitude search '?upgradable' (sans the middle 'e') it works great. Thank you. Keith On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 26 oct 14, 14:54:45, Keith Christian wrote: Hi Andrei, Thanks for the extra commands. Unfortunately, some don't work on my Wheezy system, are you using a more recent version of aptitude or apt-get perhaps? No, just a few typos, sorry. Here is some output: aptitude search '?upgradeable' E: Unknown term type: upgradeable. Correct: aptitude search '?upgradable' apt-get policy debian-reference-en E: Invalid operation policy That's 'apt-cache' of course, as you found out. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cafwoy7hja9jmbwybohs3da1m-+bamusnnmc5et3zqj3f7vj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Who's locking down the code?
On 10/27/2014 10:14 AM, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: Στις 25-10-2014 20:30, goli...@riseup.net ÎγÏ�αψε: On 2014-10-25 12:14, Laurent Bigonville wrote: golinux wrote: Would appreciate comments on this observation: Look at the source code (while you're at it, note who are the upstream maintainers of util-linux). Even they (so far) allow compilation without systemd. It is Debian who are introducing systemd dependencies even where it is actually optional in the upstream source. If upstream is allowing choice, why is Debian cutting it off? Maybe I'm missing something . . . golinux The fact that an executable is linked against a systemd library doesn't automatically mean you have to run systemd as PID1. This is especially true for the sd-daemon and sd-journal libraries in this case. Laurent Bigonville I have heard that argument before. I counter that it's about more than PID1. It seems that even having systemd libraries etc. is a little like being somewhat pregnant - precursors to a little bundle of joy to be delivered at a later date when the PTB see fit. In other words, a trojan of sorts that will come to bite us. Sorry, not much trust these days . . . :( I tend to agree with you golinux. We'll maybe forced to use systemd, if we don't want to start uuidd daemon from the start, cause of this commit in util-linux, libuuid[1]. [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis It may have started in 2009 with this util-linux message: Anyway, do we really need to support suid uuidd? What about to drop all this stuff and require that uuidd has to be started by init scripts only? What about to drop exec-from-library at all? http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg05967.html Debian bug report in June 2014: commit ea4f8845f0241c714f9487ece5bb6900fc18a9e0 Author: Petr Uzel petr.u...@suse.cz Date: Thu May 3 21:01:59 2012 +0200 libuuid: don't exec uuidd Executing the daemon from the shared library is not quite elegant solution. Drop this functionality and require uuidd (should it be needed) to be started from the initscript or by socket-activation. References: http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg05967.html ... The solution would be to ship the uuidd sysvinit script which would give a way to start the uuidd. This script creates the directory as needed. (Note: this script is already available in the current v2.20.1. See misc-utils/uuidd.rc. The script is just not shipped in the current package.) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=719759#10 Finally from link cited in the parent message, in July 2014: You now need systemd (socket activation) to use uuidd on demand. I looked and did not find the script. I still don't know what the original problem was (although I didn't dig very deep). In any case I don't see how the script is more elegant than the original solution. Can anyone explain what's going on here? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544eee30.5090...@ix.netcom.com
free driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon
free driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon anyone know if this driver supports the cross-fire functions available in the asus mother board that manages this type of card. -- JOhn Foster -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544ef326.6030...@gmail.com
Re: setup the PMU to generate an interrupt on x number of LLC misses
Emanuel Berg embe8...@student.uu.se writes: Devrin Talen dc...@cornell.edu writes: To block on accesses to a file until it actually has data for you try reading up on the `select` call: % man 2 select That would be great because that is exactly what I need. However I didn't get it to work. I always get No data. for the below code, but it doesn't wait for the timeout, it is just no data instantly on every iteration. Does select(2) really block until there is data, or does it block until it is possible to read the fd? It will block until there is a non-zero amount of data to read. It's always possible to read the file descriptor; it just sounds like in your case there's usually nothing to get out of it. The way you're calling select(2) right now: retval = select(fd + 1, rfds, NULL, NULL, tv); Will use the timeout value stored in tv, which you have set to rate * 1000, which is in microseconds. I'm not sure what command line you're using so I'm not sure how quickly it's timing out for you. I would suggest finding out two things: 1. What happens if you pass in NULL instead of tv? This will block indefinitely until there is data ready. 2. Have you ever gotten valid data out of the file handle when not using the select call? If not, I would solve that issue first. I've used the select call before and found it a bit tricky (but it does work!), but you've already gotten past my pitfall, which was that I passed in `1` instead of `fd+1` and nothing worked until I fixed that. -- Devrin Talen dc...@cornell.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87bnox7yj8@cornell.edu
Re: Need help setting up printing in Jessie
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net writes: I'm running Jessie on an HP Pentium host that's a several years old. Desktop software is Xfce4 and CUPS from a Debian repository, as is all software on the box. Printing works for the LibreOffice suite, but not for Emacs23-lucid, or for plain text files. What do I need to do to get them configured? I particularly want to get working the Emacs23 Postscript Print Buffer, as I use Emacs for my Bash script and email writing. Is there some debug mode that I can turn on to get more information? What happens is basically nothing. I select the B+W print buffer from the file menu in the Emacs23-lucid window, and... nothing comes out of my printer, and nothing is added to the jobs list in CUPS. The cups-bsd package show allow printing in emacs to work via the lpr command. If it still doesn't work, the *Messages* buffer may have some relevant info. -- Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87d29c6hwb@bignachos.net
Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
Hey guys, I would like to evaluate both `eudev` (or any other *udev), plus `uselessd`, on Debian sid/testing. Lets do it?! I' m planning to achieve, at least, CGroups Process with `uselessd` (no init scripts). If things goes well, I think that `uselessd + new udev` might be a good path to follow, mostly because it will not required double-work on maintaining both systemd-stuff + sysinit scripts... And you get a new cool init system! Only a new _init system_... Am I right?! Also, I would like to evaluate the quality of `eudev` itself and the alternatives (including fallback to static /dev). BTW, I see that if `useelssd + eudev` works, then, a Debian fork might not appear, because we can have a systemd-free Debian without extra work of maintaining two completely different init systems. What about that?! Cheers! Thiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJSM8J3b+ig5=25YCoZmHrnoassZ0h2BWmvRVd=em7nwixt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bootable USB stick voor verschillende computers en eth0
On Sunday 26 October 2014 15:06:34 Frans van Berckel wrote: Als ik bij het starten /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules eerst weer even schoon zou kunnen maken, is het probleem opgelost. Maar wat is een slimme plaats en hoe zou jij dat doen? Verschillende workarounds kan je hier vinden: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/103 -- GPG: 0x138E41915C7EFED6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.