Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
tomás writes: > Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, > eliciting strong emotions (myself included). > Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance > of having a productive discussion. > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform à

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, John Hasler wrote: > Brad writes: > > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > > and groups.io that I know of have it. > > Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web > interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. Thank

Re: Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Dethegeek
Bonjour Les pistes évoquées ressemblent étrangement à un bug que j'ai rencontré sur une machine à base de CPU j1900 chez Intel. Apparemment ce processeur a un bug de conception provoquant des freezes apparemment aléatoires, quand la machine est peu sollicitée. La solution était de désactiver

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > Sur la partie apache je ne peux t'aider. Ton apache ne devrait pas > écouter le 443, le 6443 comme dans mon exemple puis faire un proxy_pas > sur jitsi.systelia.fr: en fonction du hostname appelé. À partir de > là cela devrait être fonctionnel. Oui, sauf que ça,

Re: l'economiseur d'ecran c'est deprecie

2020-04-13 Thread Dethegeek
L'économiseur d'écran sur un écran LCD peut toujours être utile. En effet, j'ai déjà vu des écrans LCD ayant une image fantôme à cause d'un affichage quasi constant sur de nombreuses années. En l'occurrence c'était les bordures semi-graphiques qu'on rencontre typiquement dans une appli en TUI.

Re: DOH

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
tomás writes: > But letting an app bypass that, to some Mozilla-blessed DOH service is > *not nice*. I assume that Mozilla is only considering Windows users who are going to use whatever DNS their ISP configured into their router. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Michael Howard writes: > In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have more > channels open than just one where possible. Not when the channels connect to different pools. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Improving performance: RAM or CPU speed

2020-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 10:21:42 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > rhkramer writes: > > When I have as few as 10 to 15 tabs open on the Firefox on my Jessie > > system, Firefox crashes (I mentioned in a previous post in this thread > > having a thousand or more tabs "open" in Firefox on Wheezy with > >

Re: Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Michel
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:10, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : > Bonjour > > > Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen Threadripper > 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, boitier bien ventilé, > 12 Tera de disque dont un Samsung SSD 970 EVO 2TB, deux cartes >

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 07:32:56 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > If the project wants to implement Discourse as an adjunct to existing > communications channels, fine, I've no problem with that. Me neither. While preferring email, I am comfortable with web-style interfaces for some of the user

Re: DOH

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > Whether DoH or DNS-over-TLS, you have to trust the DNS server. You have to trust the root zone but you needn't trust any single server other than your own with every single query. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

where should broken links in debian.org be reported to?

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Hitt
I was browsing and searching around in debian.org and i found a broken link. Since debian.org is such a gigantic site, i imagine this must happen all the time. So, how and where do i report this? I would like to follow whatever the established, standard procedure is. Thanks in advance for any

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 13 April 2020 17:36:52 Pierre Malard wrote: > Vous pouvez toujours essayer un : > ssh -Y @ > Personnellement je me suis bricolé une fonction dans le « bashrc » > qui me lance un « xhost + >/dev/null » pour forcer l’autorisation > du forwarding W11 dès que je repère le lancement d’un «

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Sven writes: > It is of note that "experimental" in itself is not a complete set of > packages like "unstable" is, it is intended as an addon to "unstable" > and has to be used in conjunction with it. It is also of note that Unstable is unstable in that it is constantly changing, not that it is

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the > experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced > working mailing lists with Discourse. Russ should be made aware that > Discourse

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
John Hasler wrote: > Michael Howard writes: >> In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have more >> channels open than just one where possible. > Not when the channels connect to different pools. Exactly my point. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:41:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the > > experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced > > working mailing

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 13 Apr 03:10 -0500, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Well, Russ Allbery is one of the most intelligent and even-headed > folks out there. Agreed. I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced working

Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
Bonjour Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, boitier bien ventilé, 12 Tera de disque dont un Samsung SSD 970 EVO 2TB, deux cartes graphiques (AMD Radeon 570 + Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti). Noyau Linux 5.5.0, xorg

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > Rappelle toi que jitsi utilise le port 443 pour le proxy. Si ton apache > écoute également sur ce port ... Chez moi nginx écoute le 6443 (MV dont > le port 443 de l'extérieur est forwardé sur ce port) et fait proxy_pass > vers le pour jitsi qui utilise également le 80, le

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread steef
Hi there, youre are far from an idiot. All this stuff like stable etc/ etc. rests on conventions. You wrote you never insxtalled something other than stable. So: do not worry why should you worry about this shit. In a philosophical way your point of view if you have any developed now on this

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200 wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops >>> hi-jacking, drift, etc.) >> I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 13 Apr 03:10 -0500, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Well, Russ Allbery is one of the most intelligent and even-headed > > folks out there. > > Agreed. > > I doubt that Russ reads this list [...] I wouldn't be so sure.

Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread ajh-valmer
Bonjour, Je tente de lancer une appli graphique depuis chez moi (client) depuis un serveur distant : ssh root@ -X xclock "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" J'ai vainement cherché, rien ne fonctionne, c'est désespérant, dont de

Anacron timing

2020-04-13 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, I installed anacron on my Debian 10 and I just want to be sure to understand how it works on Debian (I've read there are some distro-dependent configurations, including Debian) before I have some bad surprises ;) Let's say I have a specific job "toto" inside /etc/cron.daily. This is one of

Re: Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le lundi 13 avril 2020, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit... > Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen Threadripper > 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, boitier bien ventilé, 12 > Tera de disque dont un Samsung SSD 970 EVO 2TB, deux cartes graphiques

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:09:02AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > tomás writes: > > Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, > > eliciting strong emotions (myself included). > > > Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance > > of having a

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Kushal Kumaran wrote: > There is an experimental "distribution" that is for trying all kinds of > new and weird things. It is of note that "experimental" in itself is not a complete set of packages like "unstable" is, it is intended as an addon to "unstable" and has to be used in conjunction

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread Pierre Malard
Bonjour, Vous pouvez toujours essayer un : ssh -Y @ Personnellement je me suis bricolé une fonction dans le « bashrc » qui me lance un « xhost + >/dev/null » pour forcer l’autorisation du forwarding W11 dès que je repère le lancement d’un « ssh -X » ou « ssh -Y ». J’ai déjà eu ce genre

Re: DOH

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Liam writes: > I'm not familiar with bind. Does it work by consulting root name > servers directly? It starts with the root servers and builds a database in exactly the same way your ISP's DNS server does. In fact, it is probably what your ISP uses. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Michael Howard
On 13/04/2020 17:04, Sven Hartge wrote: Nate Bargmann wrote: If the project wants to implement Discourse as an adjunct to existing communications channels, fine, I've no problem with that. If, however, the goal is arbitrary and wholesale replacement of all lists with the jumbled mess that is

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Nate writes: > And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an Enterprise > setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other stay in the > mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group prefers to converse in > Teamspeak and the other uses the forum. So have I. It creates two

Re: Improving performance: RAM or CPU speed

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > How often do you upgrade? I often go for months without doing so: > that may be why it happens to me. Celejar writes: > I usually upgrade as soon as a new version is available That's probably it. Mozilla probably only want to support automatic profile import one version back. I

Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread rhkramer
Aside: for my own self respect, I want to make some sort of disclaimer here (with maybe several points): I'm sure that sometimes I post things that do any of (1) make other people cringe (for one reason or another), (2) make me look uninformed (or worse), and (3) other causes for embarrassment

Re: l'economiseur d'ecran c'est deprecie

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
hamster a écrit : > Ca ne répond pas a ta question mais l'économiseur d'écran c'était un > truc fait pour économiser les tubes cathodiques. Avec un écran LCD (ou > autre technologie d'écran plat) ca fait travailler le processeur pour rien. > > A moins que tu n'ait encore un vieil écran cathodique

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
John Hasler wrote: > Sven writes: >> It is of note that "experimental" in itself is not a complete set of >> packages like "unstable" is, it is intended as an addon to "unstable" >> and has to be used in conjunction with it. > It is also of note that Unstable is unstable in that it is

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread NoSpam
Rappelle toi que jitsi utilise le port 443 pour le proxy. Si ton apache écoute également sur ce port ... Chez moi nginx écoute le 6443 (MV dont le port 443 de l'extérieur est forwardé sur ce port) et fait proxy_pass vers le pour jitsi qui utilise également le 80, le 443 pour *son*

Re: Sound issues on ThinkPad X220T (Lenovo)

2020-04-13 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, For the record, I had the exact same problem on a computer running buster that I don't use very often. For sure, it was working fine even with timidity installed a few months ago. Many thanks to Andrei for the 'lsof | grep /dev/snd' command that pointed us in the right direction! Debugging

Re: where should broken links in debian.org be reported to?

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Hitt
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:40 AM wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:28:41AM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > > I was browsing and searching around in debian.org and i found a broken > link. > > > > Since debian.org is such a gigantic site, i imagine this must happen all > > the time. > > > > So, how and

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread hamster
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:12, ajh-valmer a écrit : > Bonjour, > > Je tente de lancer une appli graphique depuis chez moi (client) > depuis un serveur distant : > > ssh root@ -X xclock > "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" > > J'ai

Re: Synaptic error

2020-04-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:04:34AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > As far as I know Synaptic must be run as root. When I start it as user > I get a dialog warning me that I will not be able to apply any changes > and when I run it anyway "Apply" stays greyed out.

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 09:29:50, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Aside: for my own self respect, I want to make some sort of disclaimer here > (with maybe several points): I'm sure that sometimes I post things that do > any of (1) make other people cringe (for one reason or another), (2) make me > look

Re: Synaptic error

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
As far as I know Synaptic must be run as root. When I start it as user I get a dialog warning me that I will not be able to apply any changes and when I run it anyway "Apply" stays greyed out. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Dan writes: > Thank Cthulhu I'm not email-phobic :) > I imagine few others who "really want to help out" are either; just > that they have to be guided. I think that many of those who Neil McGovern is concerned about are. It's very common. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 13 April 2020 16:05:30 hamster wrote: > Le 13/04/2020 à 15:12, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > Je tente de lancer une appli graphique depuis chez moi (client) > > depuis un serveur distant : > > ssh root@ -X xclock > > "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > > Error: Can't

Re: Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le lundi 13 avril 2020, BERTRAND Joël a écrit... > Je rebondis un peu sur le sujet, désolé de me greffer dans la > discussion. J'ai parcouru un peu les archives internet et je n'arrive > pas à avoir une idée claire. J'envisage de changer ma machine de bureau > justement

Re: Improving performance: RAM or CPU speed

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes: > I seem to have memory leaks with recent Firefox (currently 74.0.1-1 > from Sid) - memory use goes slowly but steadily up, and eventually > gets maxed out and the system grinds to a halt. It takes a while for > this to happen, but I find myself eventually needing to kill and >

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread Fabien R
On 13/04/2020 15:12, ajh-valmer wrote: > Bonjour, > > Je tente de lancer une appli graphique depuis chez moi (client) > depuis un serveur distant : > > ssh root@ -X xclock > "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" > Je suppose que

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Brad writes: > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > and groups.io that I know of have it. Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. https://www.sympa.org/overview/features -- John

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:14:44PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr, 2020 at 12:57:54 +0300, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:16:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > > Whether DoH or DNS-over-TLS, you have to trust the DNS server. > > > > Yup.

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote: > >> > > >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in > >> > thinking that you are located in your DC? > >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.

Re: l'economiseur d'ecran c'est deprecie

2020-04-13 Thread hamster
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:06, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : > Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen > Threadripper 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, > boitier bien ventilé, 12 Tera de disque dont un Samsung SSD 970 EVO > 2TB, deux cartes graphiques (AMD Radeon 570 +

Re: Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
Jean-Michel OLTRA a écrit : > > Bonjour, > > > Le lundi 13 avril 2020, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit... > >> Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen Threadripper >> 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, boitier bien ventilé, 12 >> Tera de disque dont un

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread Michael Howard
On 13/04/2020 14:53, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC) Curt wrote: On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote: Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in thinking that you are located in your DC? So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/13/2020 08:53 AM, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC) Curt wrote: On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote: Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in thinking that you are located in your DC? So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of

Re: where should broken links in debian.org be reported to?

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:28:41AM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > I was browsing and searching around in debian.org and i found a broken link. > > Since debian.org is such a gigantic site, i imagine this must happen all > the time. > > So, how and where do i report this? It's right there, at the foot

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread NoSpam
Sur la partie apache je ne peux t'aider. Ton apache ne devrait pas écouter le 443, le 6443 comme dans mon exemple puis faire un proxy_pas sur jitsi.systelia.fr: en fonction du hostname appelé. À partir de là cela devrait être fonctionnel. Ma conf nginx: server { # SSL configuration

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-11, wrote: > > > > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one > > hit in the search engine. > > I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that > demonstrates anything). > > >

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Mon, 13 Apr, 2020 at 16:19:55 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:14:44PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Apr, 2020 at 12:57:54 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:16:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > Whether

Re: Unstable ==> Testing ==> Stable

2020-04-13 Thread Kushal Kumaran
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > Aside: for my own self respect, I want to make some sort of disclaimer here > (with maybe several points): I'm sure that sometimes I post things that do > any of (1) make other people cringe (for one reason or another), (2) make me > look uninformed (or worse),

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > Rappelle toi que jitsi utilise le port 443 pour le proxy. Si ton apache > écoute également sur ce port ... Chez moi nginx écoute le 6443 (MV dont > le port 443 de l'extérieur est forwardé sur ce port) et fait proxy_pass > vers le pour jitsi qui utilise également le 80, le

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Nate Bargmann wrote: > If the project wants to implement Discourse as an adjunct to existing > communications channels, fine, I've no problem with that. If, > however, the goal is arbitrary and wholesale replacement of all lists > with the jumbled mess that is my experience of Discourse, then I

Re: Improving performance: RAM or CPU speed

2020-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:43:29 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > I seem to have memory leaks with recent Firefox (currently 74.0.1-1 > > from Sid) - memory use goes slowly but steadily up, and eventually > > gets maxed out and the system grinds to a halt. It takes a while for > > this

Re: X framebuffer problem on AMD Picasso

2020-04-13 Thread Klaus Jantzen
On 4/12/20 2:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I haven't posted for a long time! I just successfully did my first UEFI installation. It's a new AMD machine with.  X is failing to start.  I have solved a number of related problems within online information including finding the

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how > > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user > > > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized > > >

Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments

2020-04-13 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:01:47PM -0500, Jason wrote: As another option, both getmail and thunderbird can be configured to leave messages on the server and then delete them a certain number of days after retrieval. Using that feature in getmail, you could access the same messages in

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> Sorry, which different pools are you refering to? > > > > Different pools of people. > > There could be a channel to connect the pools. Then people could row > from one to the other. Unfortunately, that rarely seems to

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Felix Miata
Brian composed on 2020-04-13 20:40 (UTC+0100): > On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 20:33:59 +0100, Michael Howard wrote: >> Sven Hartge wrote: >>> Different pools of people. >> Ah, Us & Them, of course. > This is entirely the incorrect way of looking at it. There are different > groups of people with

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 - (UTC) Curt wrote: Hello Curt, >There could be a channel to connect the pools There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet newsgroups. They worked well, for the most part. Web forums to email rarely works as well, since web forum

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:50:54 +0200 Sven Hartge wrote: Hello Sven, >Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all others >have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a part of a >thread into a new one. Although not clear from my comment, I am aware that thread

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Lee
On 4/13/20, Reco wrote: > Hi. Hi > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: >> > The questionable idea behind DOH is that the browser makers do not >> > trust >> > your local resolver. >> >> Mozilla claims it's a privacy issue: >>

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 13 Apr 15:27 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote: > What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of > communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which > tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't > represented in the other media. And then you

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Kenneth Parker writes: > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there. Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it would work for posting, though. "Works best with Javascript" could turn into

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread 황병희
[sorry man it just off message] writes: > ... > But I'm just a dumb C programmer :-) Oh tomas! you awesome! Actually i like C programmer(s) ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: >> [...] > > TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though. If you > > weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at > > hand called it. > > I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed

Re: appropriate list or forum to use for discussing application development in debian

2020-04-13 Thread songbird
wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:02:33PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: >> I have a question to raise about application development in debian. >>=20 >> Debian has a lot of development mailing lists, but afaict, they're about >> preparation of or bug reports of different packages. >>=20 >> That's not

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:15 PM Reco wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser > (how > > > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email > user > > > > is a distant

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Kenneth Parker writes: > But I want to test Discourse *with* Javascript, so that I understand > the difference. I just tried it with JS. Better without. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: appropriate list or forum to use for discussing application development in debian

2020-04-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Dan, On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:20:00PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:02:33PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > > my question is more about what tools to use, which are more > > stable, and which fit in better with debian. > > > > But this is not really a user question,

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:47:22 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: ... > > I just did a quick search and couldn't find anything for smart TVs > > using DOH. > > Probably because they aren't there yet. A typical smart TV is based on > the

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Lee
On 4/13/20, tomas wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > [...] > >> Mozilla claims it's a privacy issue: >> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-dns-over-https >> Benefits > > Yes, sure [1], but *not in each and every friggin' application*. I prefer apps that

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:44 PM John Hasler wrote: > Kenneth Parker writes: > > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the > > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there. > > Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it > would work for

Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments

2020-04-13 Thread Jason
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 08:53:35AM +, Russell L. Harris composed: > All things considered, I am thinking that the best solution is to set > up a POP account on another domain and configure Thunderbird to fetch > mail from that location. Then all I need to do in mutt is to forward >

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Michael Howard
On 13/04/2020 19:18, Sven Hartge wrote: Michael Howard wrote: On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote: Michael Howard writes: In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have more channels open than just one where possible. Not when the channels connect to different pools.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Michael Howard
On 13/04/2020 18:09, Brian wrote: On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:41:15 +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:13:11 +0100, Michael Howard wrote: > On 13/04/2020 18:09, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:41:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Michael Howard writes: > Ah, Us & Them, of course. No not "Us & Them". Two groups of people such that the members of one interact mostly with other members of their group and not very much with members of the other. This soon leads to "Us & Them" behavior by members of both groups. -- John

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 20:33:59 +0100, Michael Howard wrote: > On 13/04/2020 19:18, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > Different pools of people. > > > > > > Ah, Us & Them, of course. This is entirely the incorrect way of looking at it. There are different groups of people with different needs. They can

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: > > >> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an > >> Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other > >> stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one

Re: Improving performance: RAM or CPU speed

2020-04-13 Thread deloptes
John Hasler wrote: > That's probably it.  Mozilla probably only want to support automatic > profile import one version back. I think to recall there was a statement that since version xxx it is default to create a new profile. There is no restriction to one version back.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge wrote: > Michael Howard wrote: >> On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote: >>> Michael Howard writes: > In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have more channels open than just one where possible. > >>> Not when the channels connect to

Re: App Linŭx de cryptage

2020-04-13 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 09:15:52AM +0200, Gabriel Moreau wrote: > > En faisant un tour sur OpenPGP on trouve cette page qui recense quelques > > clients mail de cryptage : > > https://chiffrer.info/ On notera que le commentaire sur "chiffrage" est faux, ref l'académie française:

Re: appropriate list or forum to use for discussing application development in debian

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:02:33PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > I have a question to raise about application development in debian. > > Debian has a lot of development mailing lists, but afaict, they're about > preparation of or bug reports of different packages. > > That's not the right subject for

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread David Wright
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 09:47:25 (-0400), Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-11, wrote: > > > > > > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one > > > hit in the search engine. > > > > I found another outfit that nailed me within a

Re: Synaptic error

2020-04-13 Thread David Wright
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 08:54:25 (+0300), Reco wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 06:50:04PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 12 Apr 2020 at 15:46:45 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 08:43:12AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Using Synaptic I: > > > > 1.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Michael Howard wrote: >>> On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote: Michael Howard writes: > In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have > more channels open than just one where possible. Not when the

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Ritter
Sven Hartge wrote: > Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> Michael Howard wrote: > >>> On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote: > Michael Howard writes: > > > There could be a channel to connect the pools. Then people could row > > from one to the other. > > Sure. > >

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > [...] > And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an Enterprise > setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other stay in the > mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group prefers to converse in > Teamspeak

appropriate list or forum to use for discussing application development in debian

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Hitt
I have a question to raise about application development in debian. Debian has a lot of development mailing lists, but afaict, they're about preparation of or bug reports of different packages. That's not the right subject for me, as my question is more about what tools to use, which are more

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:19:56 -0500 John Hasler wrote: Hello John, >Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web >interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. It's not something I'd heard of. I'll check it out. Not that I'm in the market for setting up an ML, or

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