Re: DepenGNUian Logo

[Daniel Robbins]

On 20 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > "daniel" == Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OK, ok, the penguin's a jewel thief, and he's evil.  But he
> > has funny little beady eyes, and that's got to count for
> > something.
> 
> I think Gromit would be a better mascot.  Ultimately he was much
> more resourceful and capable than de penguin.  

Yep, you're right, I guess I was stuck in "penguin mode" since it seems 
like the penguin somehow became the official animal of Linux.  Gromit 
would be a better mascot.  Anybody good friends with Nick Parks? ;-)

-=-

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Re: Unstable vs. Stable

[Igor Grobman]

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On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Daniel Robbins wrote:

> On 19 Feb 1997, Rob Browning wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Larkin) writes:
> > 
> > > This was bad; everything linked with the x libraries couldn't run
> > > since they couldn't find the libraries.  They had installed a bunch of
> > > X packages, so one of the packages should have been responsable for 
> > > making 
> > > sure that this line was added to /etc/ld.so.conf, correct?
> > 
> > Yes, this has been fixed in unstable.
> 
> Could someone please explain to me the difference between the unstable 
> and stable directories?  Since it seems like all the bug fixes go in 
> unstable, isn't the unstable stuff more stable than stable? 

Unstable is the "beta" directory.  It contains all the latest releases of
debian packages.  You are free to download anything from there, just be
aware that it might be buggy.  However, due to the problems we've been
having (lack of testing mainly), the stable distribution can be seen as
less stable than unstable, but we are in the process of fixing it.  BTW,
the ld.so.conf bug is fixed in 1.2.7 which hasn't reached all the mirrors
yet.

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Unstable vs. Stable

[Daniel Robbins]

On 19 Feb 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Larkin) writes:
> 
> > This was bad; everything linked with the x libraries couldn't run
> > since they couldn't find the libraries.  They had installed a bunch of
> > X packages, so one of the packages should have been responsable for making 
> > sure that this line was added to /etc/ld.so.conf, correct?
> 
> Yes, this has been fixed in unstable.

Could someone please explain to me the difference between the unstable 
and stable directories?  Since it seems like all the bug fixes go in 
unstable, isn't the unstable stuff more stable than stable? 

-=-

Daniel Robbins
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Using debian as a proxy/masq. server.

[Shaya Potter]

I am currently using a debian system to masquerade all the traffic from 
my high school's win95 lan to the internet.  This is ok for a temporary 
manner, but my school wants me to implement a way to track where all the 
students are going, can't have them going to sighs which arn't kosher, if 
you know what I mean.  Well, is there a way to do this, in that they 
authenicate themselves to the debian box, with a username and password, 
and the proxy server will record wherever they go (until the logout).  or 
is there an easier way.

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Re: debian-newbie list

[jghasler]

Ami Ganguli writes:
> I'd like to see a standard for support questions that has people put
> keywords in the subject line.

By the time they understand the standard they aren't newbies anymore.  How
about a form for them to fill out on the web page?  Then post the filled
out form to a list subscribed to by the volunteer oldies, who can filter
the questions any way they wish.
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Re: DepenGNUian Logo

[Clemmitt Sigler]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > We may be onto something here!  Maybe Debian can be thought of
> > as the distribution that zags (Grommit) when everybody else
> > zigs (penguins).  Any comment?
>
> You'd have to license the trademark from Nick Park.

Poop!  Good point.  But isn't there some *other* symbol that we
could use (public domain) that would be a better icon for Debian
than the ubiquitous penguin???

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Re: debian-newbie list

[Bruce Perens]

I think what we need first is a person to coordinate all of the oldbies
who are answering questions. There has to be a schedule, perhaps a mail
alias that is directed to different people at different times, etc.

Second, we need a person who edits all of the questions and answers into
a web tree. The web tree should be orgnanized by package or something, 
and then under the package name you see a big list of questions and click
on them to see tha answers.

Thanks

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Re: debian-newbie list

[Richard Morin]

> This is a good idea, because a number of people have told me they
> find the prospect of posting to debian-user intimidating, because they
> expect to be flamed to a cinder by others on the list. Now, it's not
> nearly that bad, but I understand where they are coming from.
> 
>   Bruce
> --

So far, I can't say enough how helpful folks have been on this list.  
I only wish I could contribute in some small way.  Which, I guess I 
try to do by living off of unstable.  If my machine goes down, no 
biggie, however, my lack of understanding, at times might frustrate 
more experienced users.  Perhaps I should re-phrase that, my 
inability to be very specific about just what is wrong, and what I've 
tried, to remedy the situation, could peeve people off.  

I do realize that the developers need the feedback, from as many 
different types of H/W and S/W combinations as possible.  Therefore, 
I will continue what I'm doing, I'm learning a whole lot, and 
so far no one has told me to RTFM. :-)   

I just think it might be a little more comfortable for complete 
novices to have a group which is *specifically ready to 
hear*"uh, whats dpkg," perhaps it would allow a series of 
"canned responses" to be drafted for these common questions.

I'm new to the Linux community and Debian, but to me, it seems like 
Linux and Debian are just on the cusp of wide acceptance.  Some of 
you veterans better get ready for the "army of the clueless" which has 
yet to join the ranks.  I guess I'll lump myself in that group, for 
now! :-)  I'll try to learn from the veterans what it took to get the 
Linux community to this point(co-operation, volunteers, sweat, blood 
and tears) and continue in the same vein.  Yeah, I want to make some 
money out of this in the _long run_(a new job), but I'll try and 
maintain a balance.

Sorry for ramblin'  
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Re: debian-newbie list

[Ami Ganguli]

Tim Sailer wrote:
> 
> I'd subscribe and help where possible.
> 
> Tim

Me too.  But I'd like to see a standard for support questions
that has people put keywords in the subject line.  Define a
set of keywords (like "lilo", "dselect", "format", etc.) that
can be used to categorize questions.  Then those individuals 
who would like to focus on specific topics can filter by 
keyword.

As things stand now, I have about 130 messages in my mailbox
each morning (and more arriving throughout the day).  The
first thing I do is scan the "subject" and "from" lines and
delete any that don't seem particularly interesting.  I would
be more inclined to offer help if I could focus on the topics
I feel knowledgable about.

Regards...
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Writing to a boot floppy.

[Bubonic]

I recompiled my kernel today (without any major problems) to 2.027,
however, I can't seem to figure out how to create a new boot floppy.  I have
tried:  cp vmlinux /dev/fd0 to a DOS-formatted disk, but when I tried to reboot
my computer, it didn't work.  

I assume that I am missing or forgetting something, but the books that I have
and the FAQS and HOWTO's I have read have very little information on this.
They tend to deal more with LILO, as opposed to booting off of a floppy.

I may not be even understanding the purpose of the boot floppy correctly, 
as I am somewhat of a newbie to LINUX, do I need to alter my boot floopy
when I recompile the kernel? or change the kernel for that matter?

Thanks a lot,

J
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Re: Limiting bandwidth on ftp server

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mike Schmitz  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>My ISP is considering allowing me to setup a debian mirror, but he is 
>concerned that it may use excessive bandwidth, because of the possibility 
>of someone with a fast data connection might use it. We thought about 
>using a machine with a slip connection, but were hoping to do it with a 
>virtual domain and a hard drive rather than dedicating a whole machine.
>
>Any ideas?

I've got a bandwidth-limit patch for wu-ftpd-2.4.2beta9 on
ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/alpha/

Note that this site may not be too fast; it restricts the *total*
bandwidth of all anonymous ftp sessions together to 3 kb/sec at the moment :)

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Re: Innd problems

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthew Stone  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hmm.. I am having some problems with innd..  it seems that my innd when I
>try to run the daemon.. it doesn't stay in memory for some reason and
>there for when I run my news problem it can't connect..  what am I do
>wrong..  am I missing any command lines parameters or anything that is
>needed??

Probably it just doesn't start because of a configuration error. See
if it runs with "ps" and if it doesn't, hunt for debug info in
/var/log/news.

>Now.. there is one more question I have.. I would like to have no matter
>what I do when I run tin to go to the address listed in the
>/etc/news/server file..  so if I have say blah.blah.blah in it it will try
>and connect to blah.blah.blah when I run tin.. without the need of having
>to run tin -r to access that server..

So run "rtin". Or make "tin" a shell script that call "tin.real -r".

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Re: debian-newbie list

[Tim Sailer]

In your email to me, Bruce Perens, you wrote:
> 
> From: "Richard Morin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Is there any plan to have a debian-newbie to take some of the load 
> > off of debian-user?
> 
> We could do this, but we'd have to have an organized force of
> "debian-oldbies" on duty on the list to answer questions.
> 
> This is a good idea, because a number of people have told me they
> find the prospect of posting to debian-user intimidating, because they
> expect to be flamed to a cinder by others on the list. Now, it's not
> nearly that bad, but I understand where they are coming from.

I'd subscribe and help where possible.

Tim

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Jason Killen]

It does say debian (GNU/Linux...is that ok Mr. Stallman??) is going to space
so you do have to expect the guys from debian, as any normal human, to talk
about themselves more and just mention Linus.  Basically I don't see any
wrong doing, therefore no reason to point fingers and yell, but it would
be nice to see Linus get some media attention.

All and all, as I have said before, it dosen't really matter whos name is 
on it as long as it says Linux.  We are working together and because of that
some of us will get talked about at times and others at other times.  We are
brothers!

World domination fast!

Just my 2 cents.

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, David Gaudine wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Jonas Bofjall wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
>> 
>> > First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
>> > no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
>> 
>> Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...
>
>Nor any suggestion that any other Linux distribution may have ever
>existed.  It really sounds like the Debian team finished the job and
>made Linux into a useable system.
>
>[relevant part of Bruce's quote brought back in]
>>   A Finnish college student started Linux in the early
>>   1990's, and was joined by others on the Internet who helped develop
>>   the system. We united Linux with free software contributed by other
>>   volunteers to make a complete system of 800 software packages.
>
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Re: Sybase client libraries for Linuc?

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Robert Nicholson wrote:
> 
> In the past I've heard rumours about this.
> 
> What's the truth to the availablity of dblib or ctlib libraries for Linux?
> 

Go to ftp.sybase.com, /pub/linux. Here's the README from the directory.
(copyright Sybase, Inc, I suppose)

> Open Client/C for LINUX, version 10.0.3
> 
> The TAR file accessible below is a LINUX port of Sybase's Client-Library,
> which is the native System 10 interface included in Sybase's Open Client
> products.  This LINUX port is available as freeware, with no license fees
> and no product support, as part of Sybase's active participation in
> Internet activities.  We hope that it will be helpful to LINUX users
> wanting access to SQL Server (and other Sybase server products) on
> non-LINUX platforms.
> 
> This port is unsupported, and does not include documentation.  Users
> wanting documentation may choose to buy the Open Client documentation set
> for a similar platform (such as Solaris) in order to become familiar with
> Client-Library's features, installation, and interfaces.  Documentation
> orders can be made (in the US) by calling 1-800-8-SYBASE.  Licensed users
> of Open Client on other platforms will want to get technical assistance (or
> report problems) for their supported environments.
> 
> The port comes in 2 parts: the sybase.tgz file is required, the
> devlib.tgz contains symbolic versions of Open Client libraries
> which may be useful in debugging.
> 
> sybase.tgz:  Total disk space required is 0.5 MB compressed; 1.6 MB
> uncompressed.  Recommended memory for LINUX clients is 2 MB.
> 
> devlib.tgz:  Total disk space required is 4.9 MB compressed; 13.0 MB
> uncompressed.  Recommended memory for LINUX clients using devlibs is 4 MB.
> 
>  Some Sybase user communities may want to copy this TAR file (including
> README) to local web sites, making it easier to obtain copies for local
> users or during peak network times.
> 
> 
> IMPORTANT: READ THIS DISCLAIMER BEFORE USING THE FOLLOWING CODE:
> 
> THIS CODE IS BEING DISTRIBUTED FREE OF CHARGE. IT IS NOT A SYBASE PRODUCT,
> IS NOT SUPPORTED BY SYBASE AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
> KIND. SYBASE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS, EITHER EXPRESS OR
> IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
> MERCHANTABILITY, MERCHANTABLE QUALITY, NONINFRINGEMENT AND FITNESS FOR A
> PARTICULAR PURPOSE (WHETHER ARISING BY STATUTE OR IN LAW OR AS A RESULT OF
> A COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE). IN NO EVENT SHALL SYBASE BE LIABLE
> FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR LOSS OF DATA OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING
> WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR SPECIAL
> DAMAGES, EVEN IF SYBASE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
> DAMAGES.
> 
> Sybase retains ownership of both source and object code associated with
> this software.

I've never used this before. I suppose it works though, huh? There also
seems
to be an "isql"-alike. Maybe someone should put this into a package in
non-free?

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SUCCESS! Gateway Solo 2100 Debian/XFree86

[Bob Clark]

This is just to let anyone looking into running debian on a laptop that
it works quite nicely on the newest offering from Gateway.  X was being
difficult until I found an XF86Config file on comp.windows.x.i386.

PCMCIA modem and network card work too!

The XF86Config file should work for other laptops with Cirrus CL-GD7548
chipset.

Next, I want to get it to boot nfs-root from a Solaris machine.

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debian-newbie list

[Bruce Perens]

From: "Richard Morin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Is there any plan to have a debian-newbie to take some of the load 
> off of debian-user?

We could do this, but we'd have to have an organized force of
"debian-oldbies" on duty on the list to answer questions.

This is a good idea, because a number of people have told me they
find the prospect of posting to debian-user intimidating, because they
expect to be flamed to a cinder by others on the list. Now, it's not
nearly that bad, but I understand where they are coming from.

Bruce
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On Press Releases

[Bruce Perens]

I want to reassure everyone on debian-user that I'm not making a policy
decision to discount other people's work in writing press releases.
Press Releases are a very special form of writing in which you get
_very_ limited space (nobody reads ones over one page) and you really
should use that space to blow your _own_ horn and trust others to blow
their own horns for themselves. Please don't make it difficult for
Debian to blow it's own horn - it would be self-destructive for the
project.

There is, however, room for articles on the history of Linux and the
phenomenon of all this software from different people coming together
into a cohesive whole. I suggest some of you write articles on those
themes, and try to place them in print media. I'm afraid I don't have
time to do that and everything else I do for Debian.

Thanks

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Re: DepenGNUian Logo

[Bruce Perens]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clemmitt Sigler)
> We may be onto something here!  Maybe Debian can be thought of
> as the distribution that zags (Grommit) when everybody else
> zigs (penguins).  Any comment?

You'd have to license the trademark from Nick Park. Movie studios are
very careful about who they allow to use their trademarks. Otherwise,
we'd be using Buzz Lightyear!

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Re: load now pegs at 1

[Richard Morin]

 
> First, run something like "top" to see if anything is taking up 
> processor time.  If you notice a process using about 95% of the processor,
> this would be the problem.
> 
> > Should I be looking for any other problems that I might not be aware of?
> Yes.  Some processes can go into uninteruptable sleep.  They stay in
> the run queue (and hence increase the load) but they don't suck up all
> of the available processor cycles.  I had a problem with these when I
> tried to gunzip a file on a bad filesystem.  I'm not sure how the 
> filesystem got corrupted while mounted -- but the process could not
> be killed, and I had to reboot so that I could unmount the partition and
> check it with fsck.


Thanks John, and Paul.  I found a process which seemed to be a tar 
with some strange switches that just wouldn't die with a kill -9.  
Reboot took care of it, and load is now at its happy average of 0 or 
just above.

I hereby promise not to abandon the list when I can answer questions such as 
these for other novices.  :-)  You can hold me to that one!  

Is there any plan to have a debian-newbie to take some of the load 
off of debian-user?  It seems that the tone of the list has taken a 
little dip as the volume has increased.  Don't get me wrong, this 
list is my fave!  Folks on the whole are just fabulous, however, there 
_have_ been a couple of hot messages in the past few weeks.

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Re: Need minor dselect help. (with "recommends")

[JD Thomlinson]

>Rob Browning wrote:
> The only gripe I have is that it treats Recommends the way that dpkg
> treats Depends, so it drops me into conflict resolution *every* time I
> run it because I have suck installed, but no news-transport-system.
> Is there any good solution to this.  I at least want something like
> "hold" for a given package, where I'm essentially saying,

I run cron for various housekeeping tasks. I do not currently run 
any mail service (I use my ISP's).

*Every* time I use dselect I have to mark cron's *recommends* as hold, 
then override with Q to exit the conflict/dependency submenu. I have 
to do this *every* time I run deselect. One of these days I'm going 
to be in a hurry and Q override something I shouldn't. And..

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Bruce Perens]

> Seeing as how it looks like this is a release meant for the general
> public I deem it only fair that they think of Debian as an
> implementation of the GNU project and the Linux Kernel, and not as some
> new OS. I would prefer Debian stood on its own merit.

I assumed that the public who would be reading this had not heard of Linux
or FSF before, and just didn't care about attribution. The news is that
there is a free operating system being used for serious work. The rest of
the details are boring, and would probably just be cut out by anyone who
edited the press release into their publication.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Bruce Perens]

From: Yoav Cohen-Sivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Very true! The article, IMHO, should have stated that the Debian
> project was a group of volunteers working hard to bring together the
> hard work of others, and not make it look like Debian is some new OS
> written by the Debian project, with nary a reminder of Stallman, GNU, or
> some anonymous "young Finnish college student".

I did point out that we were using the work of others.

This was a press release for Debian. If someone ever writes the history
of Linux, they can point out all of the contributors.

I want to make sure you all know that the publications that print this
will _cut_out_ material. We may be cut down to one paragraph by many
publications.

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Re: want lilo on sda not sdb

[Rob Browning]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Does anybody out there suggest an alternate boot loader? Can I boot 
>  debian from the NT boot loader ??? This is a work based machine - that 
>  would be the best - considering the other users will use M$-NT on 
>  occasion ...

I'd solve this one by just telling LILO to boot NT by default.  Then
if you want linux you can use the shift key, but the other users will
get NT.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Bruce Perens]

From: Jonas Bofjall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...

I wasn't writing the credits for Linux. I had 65 lines in which to write
a press release, and I went to 72. One must be brief in these things,
otherwise nobody reads them.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Bruce Perens]

From: David Gaudine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Nor any suggestion that any other Linux distribution may have ever
> existed.  It really sounds like the Debian team finished the job and
> made Linux into a useable system.

The task was not to write the history of Linux, it was to explain a
difficult concept in a short space so that there would be some hope
of explaining it to the public and the press without losing their
attention. _You_only_get_one_page_. One must edit out a whole lot in
this sort of work. I trust other Linux distributions to make their own
press releases.

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Sybase client libraries for Linuc?

[Robert Nicholson]

In the past I've heard rumours about this. 

What's the truth to the availablity of dblib or ctlib libraries for Linux?


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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Bruce Perens]

> It saddened me to see no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is
> more than just a "Finnish college student" (in fact, he isn't one
> anymore) and I believe he should have been given more credit, at least
> his name should have appeared in the press release. No harm intended
> Bruce, but Linus' contribution is just as big as yours...

Naaah :-)

I added Linus' name to the release. I hope someone doesn't come after
me to add Richard Stallman's name too, and about 100 other people. The
release is 72 lines long, and the press and public have a very limited
attention span.

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Re: DepenGNUian Logo

[Clemmitt Sigler]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > "daniel" == Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OK, ok, the penguin's a jewel thief, and he's evil.  But he
> > has funny little beady eyes, and that's got to count for
> > something.
> I think Gromit would be a better mascot.  Ultimately he was much
> more resourceful and capable than de penguin.

We may be onto something here!  Maybe Debian can be thought of
as the distribution that zags (Grommit) when everybody else
zigs (penguins).  Any comment?

I personally liked the Debian logos that were simple and involved
the jigsaw-puzzle type of design.  I myself suggested a very simple
design with a sketch to Christian (involved a magician's hat and
wand, with buzz disappearing in a puff of smoke and rex magically
appearing -- automagic upgrades, get it?), but it never showed
up on his logo page (my artwork was pretty bad).  The jigsaw
design suggested to me that Debian helps all the complex pieces
of Linux fit together smoothly :^)

If you pull up http://nfs.internetp.com/debian.html, you'll see
a Debian logo already in use -- one of the old jigsaw logos.  What
we need in a logo is something that is *catchy* -- that people
will remember the look of having seen it once.  That is a logo's
*primary* function, IMHO.

I personally think we're going in the wrong direction by relying
only on penguins.  I mean, look at Opus.  He lost out in the 1990
US Census to a cockroach as head-of-household ;^)

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Re: want lilo on sda not sdb

[Tim Sailer]

In your email to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], you wrote:
> 
> after installing debian on sdb (the second drive in scsi based 
>  machine - scsi id2), lilo went and performed its installation to 
>  /dev/sdb, not /dev/sda ... woe is me - now I'll need to use a floppy 
>  to boot...
>  
> I only can boot this machine from the floppy now. Can I tell lilo 
>  to install itself to the first SCSI disk (/dev/sda) on this machine? 

Yes. This is quite easy. This is one problem that I have with the way
Debian installs lilo. Edit /etc/lilo.conf, and change the first line to
read

boot=/dev/sda

Save the file, then run 'lilo'. It should respond back something like

Added Linux*

Reboot, and you should be all set. IF you happen to get just

LI

when you reboot, boot back with the floppy, and add the line

linear

right before the line that starts 'delay=', and rerun 'lilo'.
This should be what you need.

Tim

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Finger?

[John T. Larkin]

I got an odd message today while using finger.  While logged into
tty1 on the local console, I typed in "finger" and got the response:

No one logged on.

This was obviously incorrect, since I was logged on. 
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want lilo on sda not sdb

[David_Oswald]

after installing debian on sdb (the second drive in scsi based 
 machine - scsi id2), lilo went and performed its installation to 
 /dev/sdb, not /dev/sda ... woe is me - now I'll need to use a floppy 
 to boot...
 
I only can boot this machine from the floppy now. Can I tell lilo 
 to install itself to the first SCSI disk (/dev/sda) on this machine? 
 
Does anybody out there suggest an alternate boot loader? Can I boot 
 debian from the NT boot loader ??? This is a work based machine - that 
 would be the best - considering the other users will use M$-NT on 
 occasion ...
 
 if the nt boot loader is "do-able" can somebody send me a copy of what 
 the boot.ini would look like ?
 
 regards, and thanx in advance - dave


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Re: IPX loading every 5 minutes

[John T. Larkin]

> properly.  Now I'm having a similar problem, except instead of not being
> loaded, it's being loaded every five minutes.  An excerpt from my messages

> Okay, now does anyone have a good idea as to how to suppress it?  :)

The three ways I see of surpressing it:
1) Stop using IPX.  
2) Insert the ipx module with insmod rather than kerneld.  This
  way it won't be removed and thus won't have to be loaded again.
3) Compile IPX into your kernel.  Then the ipx module won't have
  to be loaded at all.

I'd recommend 2 as the best solution.  If there is some reason you can't
keep ipx loaded all the time, you can change the behaviour of kerneld
so that it takes more than 300 seconds to unload a module.  But then
ipx would stay loaded anyway, because the 300+ second timer would be
reset every 300 seconds.

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Re: sysklogd 1.3-13

[James LewisMoss]

> "Mikael" == Mikael Hallendal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Mikael> Hi! Why is it that the new sysklogd in 'unstable' dependens
 Mikael> on an old bash and not on the new one?

 Mikael> Is there any packages that dependes on bash 2.0-2 or is it
 Mikael> just to downgrade it to the one in section stable so that I
 Mikael> can get sysklogd working??

I was wondering that as well.  I just forced it to install (dpkg
--force-depends -i sysklog...) and everything seems to be fine. :)

Jim

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Re: Manual Pages

[Rob Browning]

"Karl M. Hegbloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  There is a manual page update, which was announced on COLA several
> weeks ago.  Will there be a .deb made available for us all soon?

I think it's available now in unstable: manpages_1.15-1.deb

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Re: bash2.0 & sysklogd

[Martin Schulze]

Siggy Brentrup writes:

> > Package: bash
> > Version: 2.0-2
> > 
> > Package: sysklogd
> > Version: 1.3-12
> > 
> > on my system, and running `sysklogd start' I see
> > 
> > # ./sysklogd start
> > starting /sbin/syslogd ...
> > ./sysklogd: line 40:  4090 Interrupt  start-stop-daemon --start 
> > --verbose --exec /sbin/syslogd -- ${SYSLOGD}
> > starting /sbin/klogd ...
> > # 
> > 
> >  It doesn't look like there are errors with new bash semantics, becouse
> > klogd with the same string starting ok.
> 
> As of yet I don't run bash 2.0, so take the following with a grain of salt.
> 
> In /etc/init.d/sysklogd the default case is not properly terminated.
> Add a line containing ';;' just before 'esac'
> 
> I'm experiencing problems with syslogd failing to start properly after boot 
> too
> (sysklogd 1.3-11). I'll investigate further when rebooting anyway after 
> upgrading
> to kernel 2.0.29.

sysklogd 1.3-14 addresses this problem.  This release works together
with bash 2.0 just like 1-3-13 has done with bash 1.4.  As a bonus it 
also has improved debug code, shows facility.priority of every
received message.

The package will be uploaded soon.  An actual snaapshot can be 
fetched from my site ftp.infodrom.north.de out of
/pub/people/joey/debian/beta

Regards

Joey

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Re: load now pegs at 1

[John T. Larkin]

> Hi folks, little anomyly that I'd like to share.  I had a few probs with
> dpkg, and bash, which are now take care of thanks to the list. :-)  Only
> things is now I notice a load which doesn't drop below 1, even when I am
> not doing anything. 

First, run something like "top" to see if anything is taking up 
processor time.  If you notice a process using about 95% of the processor,
this would be the problem.

> Should I be looking for any other problems that I might not be aware of?
Yes.  Some processes can go into uninteruptable sleep.  They stay in
the run queue (and hence increase the load) but they don't suck up all
of the available processor cycles.  I had a problem with these when I
tried to gunzip a file on a bad filesystem.  I'm not sure how the 
filesystem got corrupted while mounted -- but the process could not
be killed, and I had to reboot so that I could unmount the partition and
check it with fsck.

> This is a single user machine p100 with 32megs of
> ram, and 16M of swap(I know should be 64...)
Well, it just depends on what you use.  I have 48 megs of ram, and almost
never touch my 32 megs of swap.  Why waste disk space on more?
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Need minor dselect help.

[Rob Browning]

OK, I've started playing with dselect.  I had avoided it after some
unfortunate misunderstandings in my early Debian days.  Now, after
being much more careful about not touching *any* keys without knowing
exactly what they do, and reading every screen carefully, I have come
to understand the way it wants things done.  Once that submission was
complete, it seems pretty effective.

The only gripe I have is that it treats Recommends the way that dpkg
treats Depends, so it drops me into conflict resolution *every* time I
run it because I have suck installed, but no news-transport-system.
Is there any good solution to this.  I at least want something like
"hold" for a given package, where I'm essentially saying,

  "I know I don't have the things this package recommends installed, and
   I don't care.  Don't bother me about this one again."

Perhaps there's an option I'm overlooking.

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Gnu C manual && Gdb warning

[Jonathan Lawson]

Script started on Thu Feb 20 10:36:52 1997
Hi,
   Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the "GNU C Manual"? I would 
really like to 
take a look at it . 
  Secondly, I get the following (underlisted) error from Gdb, I wonder if 
anyone knows of a 
way to set things right. 

Thanks 

Jonathan

=

Hephzibah:/pcfs$ gdb
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (i486-slackware-linux), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

(gdb)  file ~/Beulah/Projects/haophe/mathlibs/a.out
Reading symbols from ~/Beulah/Projects/haophe/mathlibs/a.out...done.
(gdb) break main
Breakpoint 1 at 0x8000bf8: file GaSid.c, line 83.
(gdb) r
Starting program: /home/Jonathan/Beulah/Projects/haophe/mathlibs/a.out 
warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function.
warning: GDB will be unable to debug shared library initializers
warning: and track explicitly loaded dynamic code.

Breakpoint 1, main () at GaSid.c:83
(gdb) q
The program is running.  Quit anyway (and kill it)? (y or n) y
Hephzibah:/pcfs$ exit
Script done on Thu Feb 20 10:37:39 1997




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Manual Pages

[Karl M. Hegbloom]

 There is a manual page update, which was announced on COLA several
weeks ago.  Will there be a .deb made available for us all soon?

Karl M. Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: ld-linux.so refuses to link the libraries I need...

[David Engel]

On Feb 19, Carlos Carvalho wrote
> I've put some libraries in /usr/local/mydir, and made symlinks to
> /usr/local/lib. However, ld-linux.so doesn't link them. Of course
> /usr/local/lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf. Even if I put /usr/local/mydir
> in /etc/ld.so.conf the program doesn't run. ldconfig -v shows nothing
> in /usr/local/lib.
> 
> Why doesn't it use the symlinks? LD_LIBRARY_PATH works but I'd like to
> not depend on it...

It depends on which version of ldconfig you are using and how you
setup the symlinks.  Give me some specifics and I'll tell you what
you are doing wrong.

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Re: Partitions (was Re: Debian installation)

[Robert D. Hilliard]

On Wed, 19 Feb 97 14:49 PST [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) wrote:
>   That user was getting complaints about overlapping partitions. I don't
>   see the overlap. Any clue?
>
>   Bruce

 The complaints probably came from using the 'v'- "verify the
partition table" in fdisk.  The 'v' command apparently uses the
'Begin' column to determine partition overlaps.  I have found that
complaints about overlaps made by this command may be safely ignored,
provided you visually check the partition table for overlaps using the
'Start' column.

 I assume that fdisk was written before disks in excess of 1024
cylinders, and the writers/maintainers added some kind of kludge to
get around the BIOS limitations, but couldn't or didn't make the
'Begin' column or 'v' command behave.

 All of my insights to the working of fdisk have come from Matt
Walsh's "Installation and getting Started Guide", supplemented by
experimentation and experience.  I know that certain things have
worked for me, but I don't know why. :-)

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Re: libc5

[Dale Scheetz]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.CNET/LAB/FCI/PIH wrote:

>   Hello,
> 
>   I have got Debian 1.2 installed on my system. I tried to 
> install the non-free package scilab using dpkg. dpkg complains 
> about libc_5.4.17-1 or more. I have libc5_5.4.13-1 installed on my 
> system and I can't find the libc_5.4.17-1 package in the debian site. 
> Could you please tell me where is it .
> 
You will find libc5_5.4.20-1.deb in the base section of rex-fixed.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: DepenGNUian Logo

[miller5]

> "daniel" == Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK, ok, the penguin's a jewel thief, and he's evil.  But he
> has funny little beady eyes, and that's got to count for
> something.

I think Gromit would be a better mascot.  Ultimately he was much
more resourceful and capable than de penguin.  

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Re: /usr/include/linux, /usr/include/asm, ...

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

The canned response comes from the readme file included with
 the kernel headers package. It has been gleaned from various
 discussions on the Debian Lists, and from private email from David
 Engel and Linus Torvalds.

I am given to understand that Linus will incorporate language
 to recommend not using the symlinks when glibc 2.0 comes in wider use
 (since that library also provides it's own /usr/include/linux etc).

The GNU libc v2.0 is where Linux is headed for (libc6). That
 library follows the conventions used in Debian today, so we all have
 to get used to this. 

Also, look at /usr/doc/libc5/FAQ.gz (It is a subset of my
 canned response, but is a more widely circulated document)

manoj

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Re: POP Mail Reader where Mail stays on server

[Dale Scheetz]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Dr. Mark A. Friedman wrote:

> I know a message was posted recently asking if a POP Mail Reader
> existed for Debian that would read mail on the server without
> downloading it.  I did not see a response.  Does anyone know
> of such a POP Mail Reader?
> 
No, but there is an alternative. Popclient, and I assume fetchmail,
supports the keep option. This allows popclient to download the mail as
directed while keeping the coppies on the server. This isn't exactly what
you were looking for, but maybe it will help.

Luck,

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RE: load now pegs at 1

[Paul Rightley]

You have not given a sufficient amount of information to diagnose the problem. 
What process is causing the high load.  I suspect that it is syslogd.  If this
is the case, you probably have some directories specified in /etc/syslog.conf
that do not exist on your machine.  Comment out the lines in /etc/syslog.conf
and reboot (although there must be a more gentle way to restart syslogd). 
Things should then work OK.  Of course, if syslogd is not the cause of the high
load, then all bets are off.

Paul

On 20-Feb-97 Richard Morin wrote:
>>Hi folks, little anomyly that I'd like to share.  I had a few probs with
>dpkg, and bash, which are now take care of thanks to the list. :-)  Only
>things is now I notice a load which doesn't drop below 1, even when I am
>not doing anything.  This is a single user machine p100 with 32megs of
>ram, and 16M of swap(I know should be 64...)
>
>Should I be looking for any other problems that I might not be aware of?
>
>Rich M
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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Yoav Cohen-Sivan]

Robert Nicholson wrote:
> 
> I haven't read the article but perhaos the article is talking about the
> differences b/w the the debian and other distributions? If that's the case
> then the debian developers surely deserve most of the credit.
> 

It is a sort of Press Release whipped-up by the Debian Project Leader.
I really didn't intend to chastise him for this - I am a staunch Debian
advocate. I just wanted to remark that the "press release" was a bit
low-key on attributing the GNU project and Linus for most of Debian.
Seeing as how it looks like this is a release meant for the general
public I deem it only fair that they think of Debian as an
implementation of the GNU project and the Linux Kernel, and not as some
new OS. I would prefer Debian stood on its own merit.


Yoav


> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> 
> > Jonas Bofjall wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
> > > > no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
> > >
> > > Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...
> > >
> > >   // Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2:201/262.37]
> >
> >   Very true! The article, IMHO, should have stated that the Debian
> > project was a group of volunteers working hard to bring together the
> > hard work of others, and not make it look like Debian is some new OS
> > written by the Debian project, with nary a reminder of Stallman, GNU, or
> > some anonymous "young Finnish college student".
> >
> >   Yoav
> >
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Re: Directory structure at Debian

[Steve Dunham]

Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've been a user of Debian for 6 months or so now - including a sucessfull
> upgrade to 1.2 via ftp and a \HUGE stack of floppies, but I still have
> great problems understanding what all the directories on the ftp sites
> contain. 

> Could anyone tell me what the rex-updates and rex-fixed directories are
> for? I would have assumed that any packages with serious bugs would be
> fixed in the standard rex...  If not, what is rex still there for with
> 'broken' packages in it? And what happens when you replace your 'rex'
> packages file with the 'rex-fixed' one - Does it tell you you need to
> upgrade all your packages to rex-fixed level? 


  "rex" is Debian 1.2.0
  "rex-updates" contains the packages that were updated between 
1.2.0 and 1.2.6
  "rex-fixed" contains Debian 1.2.6

So, if you are using floppies, you want to go into rex-updates and get
any packages that are newer than the ones on your system. (There is a
changelog.)  (If you are using the internet, just point dselect at the
stable directory.)

> It would seem simpler to me if we just had two directories containing the
> base, x11, non-free, contrib, etc directories: Debian-1.2, which is
> 'fixed' of important bugs as they are cleared and would be used by almost
> every 'user', and Debian-1.2-devel, which contains the most up-do-date
> working release of each package, for use by 'developers'. 

There are two directories - one called "stable" and the other called
"unstable".  "stable" points to Debian-1.2.6 and "unstable" points to
"bo", the next version of Debian.

There is talk of moving contrib and/or non-free into the stable and
unstable trees (there is good reason for this), but nothing has been
resolved yet.

> Then you install just one of two package.gz files - one for the fixed
> version which changes infrequently, and one for those cutting edge
> Debianites who want the latest of everything. Of course you could also
> install any devel packages individually as needed.

Hmm, I never "install" packages.gz files, so I don't know that the issues
are here. (I have an internet connection, so I just point dselect at a
bunch of directories on the ftp site and it fetches the Package files and
merges them into the Available file.)


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XF86_S3

[Jean-Paul LACHARME]

Hello !
I need to configure a Miro Crystal PCI card with S3 SDAC (more exactely S3 
Trio32/64 PCI)
When I run xbase-configure and get the chip card menu, it says that running 
first the server /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3 is required before configuring.  OK. 
But, where do I find this XF86_S3 bit of software ? (in my /usr/X11R6/bin, 
there are only XF86Setup, XF86_SVGA and XF86_VGA16 exec files)
Regards.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Robert Nicholson]

I haven't read the article but perhaos the article is talking about the
differences b/w the the debian and other distributions? If that's the case
then the debian developers surely deserve most of the credit.

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:

> Jonas Bofjall wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> > 
> > > First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
> > > no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
> > 
> > Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...
> > 
> >   // Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2:201/262.37]
> 
>   Very true! The article, IMHO, should have stated that the Debian
> project was a group of volunteers working hard to bring together the
> hard work of others, and not make it look like Debian is some new OS
> written by the Debian project, with nary a reminder of Stallman, GNU, or
> some anonymous "young Finnish college student".
> 
>   Yoav
> 
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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Yoav Cohen-Sivan]

Jonas Bofjall wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> 
> > First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
> > no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
> 
> Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...
> 
>   // Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2:201/262.37]

Very true! The article, IMHO, should have stated that the Debian
project was a group of volunteers working hard to bring together the
hard work of others, and not make it look like Debian is some new OS
written by the Debian project, with nary a reminder of Stallman, GNU, or
some anonymous "young Finnish college student".

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Re: modem port root only

[Rob Browning]

Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm sure this was answered sometime recently, but can't find it. I've
> added the user to the dialout group, but still get /dev/ttyS1 - Permission
> denied when trying to use the modem as a user. Do I need to change more
> groups (tty, etc) - if so, which ones

Have you logged out and logged back in as that user since you added
the user to that group?  This change won't automatically take effect
until then.

(issuing a "newgrp dialout" will also work, but I believe that will
launch a new shell, and won't affect the other shells you're already
running.)

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Unable to compile with Debian 1.2.2 distribution

[Jerry G. Champlin]

Debian Users,

When I originally installed Debian 1.2.2 on two machines at work and two
machines at home, I was able to compile anything, but then I updated 
libc5 and libc5-dev to the latest stable release.  After that I was 
unable to compile anything on the machines I updated.  I really do not
want to reinstall from scratch to achieve a functional compilation env.

Could someone please tell me which packages I need to install to regain 
a functional compile env.  The errors are comping primarily from undefined
symbols in some of the header files in /usr/include.

TIA
-Jerry


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Re: libc/locale bug in strftime()?

[Riku Saikkonen]

>is the source of your greaf, your 'struct tm' is not properly initalized
>before a call to strftime().  You don't dynamically allocate your
>structure, but it is allocated on the runtime stack, therefore it most
>likely contains rubbish data, that breaks strftime().

Oops. Yes, you're right. I didn't think of that... *blush*

(Some history: I first found the bug when I noticed that a self-compiled
gnuplot 3.6beta-315 dumped core on its "set locale" command (which, among
other things, read the month names into gnuplot's internal structures). I
traced the bug to strftime() and wrote the test program I posted. But
apparently didn't think of valid initalisation...

I now got the newest beta of gnuplot (3.6beta-325), and it works (zeros the
struct tm before calling strftime()), so I guess someone else noticed the
bug too...)

By the way, thanks for the quick replies! I'm impressed. :)

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Re: modem port root only

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Thu, Feb 20 1997, Ed Down wrote:

> 
> I'm sure this was answered sometime recently, but can't find it. I've
> added the user to the dialout group, but still get /dev/ttyS1 - Permission
> denied when trying to use the modem as a user. Do I need to change more
> groups (tty, etc) - if so, which ones
> 

1st: What are the permissions on your /dev/ttyS1? Should be:

~$ ls -l /dev/ttyS1
crw-rw   1 root dialout4,  65 Feb 20 16:06 /dev/ttyS1

2nd: Make sure dialout really is one of your supplemental gids

~$ id
. 20(dialout) ...

If dialout doesn't appear, re-login and try again. Supplemental group ids
are set on login.

HTH

  -- Siggy

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Re: modem port root only

[Bob Clark]

Ed Down wrote:
> 
> I'm sure this was answered sometime recently, but can't find it. I've
> added the user to the dialout group, but still get /dev/ttyS1 - Permission
> denied when trying to use the modem as a user. Do I need to change more
> groups (tty, etc) - if so, which ones
> 
> Ed
> 

Does /dev/ttyS1 have group rw permissions and is the group ownership set
to dialout?

bash> ls -l /dev/ttyS1
crw-rw   1 root dialout4,  65 Feb 20 10:06 /dev/ttyS1

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Re: IPX loading every 5 minutes

[Bob Clark]

Paul J. Clegg wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Roland Haag wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Paul J. Clegg wrote:
> > > properly.  Now I'm having a similar problem, except instead of not being
> > > loaded, it's being loaded every five minutes.  An excerpt from my messages
> > > file:
> > >
> > > Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX 0.34
> > > for NET3.035
> > > Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera,
> > > Inc.
> >
> > This happens each time I invoke ifconfig.
> 
> Doh!  I've a script running at those times that checks ifconfig for the
> presence of my PPP connection (restoring it if it's down)...  Jeez, I
> thought I would never get that figured out, thanks!
> 
> Okay, now does anyone have a good idea as to how to suppress it?  :)
> 
> Paul
> 

You might try installing diald.  It does a good job of keeping
connections up.

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Re: missing/non-functional identd service?

[csmall]

Pete Templin typed:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I've been learning about PGP, and was in the process of taking a look at a
> few public keys, when I ran into a small stumbling block.  You see, I was
> fingering [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I ran into a small obstacle:
> 
> tcsh> finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [master.debian.org]
> 
> Debian Linux 1.1  Copyright (C) 1993-1996 Debian Association, Inc. and
> others
> 
>  Your site has been rejected for some reason.
> 
>  This may be caused by a missing RFC 1413 identd on your site.

I get this too at work, but to make it even worse it is via a firewall.  I
might write a bodgy script to get around this.

RFC 1413 is identd.  It is used to work out who on a machine "owns" that
connection, which means it is next to useless on a firewall.

Now we also, temporarily, have a problem on the firewall; its address cannot
be reverse resolved (ie IP address -> hostname>.  Does this security thing
balk due to that too?

I don't have the same problem when I connect to my own machine as I have
identd running here.

> Is this a configuration error I need to fix, a package I haven't
> installed, or something else?  It would seem best if Debian systems could
> at least finger Debian systems, right?

I'd say you would need identd, try telnetting to 127.0.0.1 ident and type
anything and see what happens, if you get something coming back like ERROR :
INVALID REQUEST then you have identd running.

  - Craig
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Re: /usr/include/linux, /usr/include/asm, ...

[csmall]

Manoj Srivastava typed:
> Hi,
> 
>   I'll reverse the question: why are you using the links?
>  The links are ignored anyway while compiling the kernel, so that's
>  not it. However, you may totally confuse some other program (during
>  compilation) that does not expect changes that are made in the kernel
>  includes. You see, changes may be made in kernel headers in concert
>  with other include files, which have not been upgraded, files that
>  are not required for kernel builds, but may be required for package
>  XYZ. 
The links being ignored is interesting.  I guess you mean the links are not
neccessary due to an -I/usr/src/linux/include type parameter being used with
gcc.

The reason why *I* need the symlinks in is for my specific circumstances. 
For those that don't understand what the bunch of letters after my name (or
even the ones after Bruce's) I'm a radio amateur.  There is a flurry of
activity going on here, as we build a lot of things, new protocols included,
for use in amateur radio.  This usually means the tools need to be upgraded
every 8 patch levels or so.  Naturally, I'm talking about 2.1.x kernels.

>   So, what else are the links good for? Most programs do not
>  (and should not) depend on kernel version specific api's; and the
>  handful that do should ask for and include -I/usr/src/linux anyway. 

What is the "Linux position" on asking to use /usr/src/linux includes?  If
this is the way things are going, can you point me to a reference of this? 
For example, where is the canned reply from?

I'll let the people on linux-hams know this may be something we need to look
at, it will at least draw some discussion there.

  - Craig

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Re: Smail and slip dialup (2nd request)

[csmall]

Brian Skreeg typed:
>   I'm trying to setup smail the operate over my dial-up slip account.
> I installed smail (and it's dependants) using dselect and ran smailconfig.
> I chose option 1: Internet site sending and receiving mail using smtp :
> This seemed to me to almost setup smail correctly. It put the write line in
> inetd.conf and when I write a mail offline it gets dumped in spool as it
> should. I'ce configured my isp's mailserver as my smarthost.
I'm not sure if this is the best way to do the job.  I think smail would get
upset that it cannot, most of the time, deliver any messages.  A better way,
perhaps, would be UUCP over IP.


>   Unfortunately when my link comes up (dial-in) the mail refuses to budge
> from spool . Typing "runq" in an xterm produces no errors or information,
> it merely runs then exits.
What does mailq say?
And *nothing* at all in the logs?  Hmm, try runq -x255
  
  - Craig
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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[David Gaudine]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Jonas Bofjall wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> 
> > First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
> > no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
> 
> Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...

Nor any suggestion that any other Linux distribution may have ever
existed.  It really sounds like the Debian team finished the job and
made Linux into a useable system.

[relevant part of Bruce's quote brought back in]
>   A Finnish college student started Linux in the early
>   1990's, and was joined by others on the Internet who helped develop
>   the system. We united Linux with free software contributed by other
>   volunteers to make a complete system of 800 software packages.


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Re: Directory structure at Debian

[David Wright]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Ed Down wrote:

> Could anyone tell me what the rex-updates and rex-fixed directories are
> for? I would have assumed that any packages with serious bugs would be
> fixed in the standard rex...  If not, what is rex still there for with
> 'broken' packages in it? And what happens when you replace your 'rex'
> packages file with the 'rex-fixed' one - Does it tell you you need to
> upgrade all your packages to rex-fixed level? 

It's 5.7.1 in the FAQ. The point is that rex is a release - it never 
changes, bugs or no bugs.

> It would seem simpler to me if we just had two directories containing the
> base, x11, non-free, contrib, etc directories: Debian-1.2, which is
> 'fixed' of important bugs as they are cleared and would be used by almost
> every 'user', and Debian-1.2-devel, which contains the most up-do-date
> working release of each package, for use by 'developers'. 

This makes Debian even more of a moving target, a bad thing. I already 
keep all the packages I install on two zip disks, so I can easily clone 
another machine and know it should work (barring hardware differences).

David.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Jonas Bofjall]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:

> First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
> no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a

Neither of Richard Stallman or the GNU team...

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Re: another PPP setup question ...

[Richard G. Roberto]

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Andre Saes wrote:

> Hello Mr. Richr,
> 
> >can't get it to work.  I read the HOWTO and README, but must have
> >missed something.  IP Forwarding is turned on on the server's
> 
> I think that you're having a kind of netmask problem. In /etc/ppp/options,
> put this parameter:
> 
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> 
> And also, I looked that you put ip:ip, if I where you, I would put only the
> destination IP, for ex::IP.
> 
> Try this! Awaiting your replies,

Well, I tried setting the netmask in the client's
/etc/ppp/options file and also on the command line, but no
change.  I also added into the server side /etc/ppp/options,
again no change.  I can ping any node on the server's network
segment from the client, I just can't get to the router.  The
router has address 192.168.6.200 and that's the only address I
can't ping.  I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a problem with
the routing hardware not accepting packets from the proxy arp'ed
client.  Does anyone know if that's a possibility?  Are there any
other ways of getting my home PC to talk to the internal lan
(i.e. without proxyarp)?

I'd be more than happy to supply more info to anyone willing to
help. Just tell me what you need.

Thanks again in advance.

Richard G. Roberto
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Re: Mount and cdrom

[Andrew Martin Adrian Cater (Andy)]

Sorry to be so dense: Patrick was right and mtab was different to
/etc/fstab.

On this machine, /dev/cdrom is soft linked to /dev/sbpcd to please some
programs which prefer it that way.

/etc/fstab had 

/dev/sbpcd /cdrom   iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0

and /etc/mtab had

/dev/cdrom /cdrom   iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0

One change so that they both read the same has solved it.  Strange: I
thought that a soft link made the devices effectively equivalent.  Mount
obviously thinks so, umount doesn't.

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Patrick Ryan wrote:

> Andy,
> 
>   What does mtab look like?
> 

Thanks for help,

Andy


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Re: POP Mail Reader where Mail stays on server

[A M Tapio Vaattanen]

"Dr. Mark A. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I know a message was posted recently asking if a POP Mail Reader
> existed for Debian that would read mail on the server without
> downloading it.  I did not see a response.  Does anyone know
> of such a POP Mail Reader?

I used ML for long time. http://www-CAMIS.Stanford.EDU/projects/imap/ml
By the way, fetchmail can also leave the mail on the server. Well actually,
knows how to not to delete the mail on the server.


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Re: New user: Trying to get xserver running.

[Heikki Vatiainen]

Have you tried creating your XF86Config file with the new XF86Setup program? 
XF86Setup is a graphical tool for creating the XF86Config file. It comes with 
the xserver-vga16 package.

Here's an excerpt from the xserver-vga16 package's description:

  This package also contains the 'XF86Setup' program, a graphical tool for
  configuring X servers. If you want to use this tool to set up your X server
  then you must install this package. If you do not, you will have to use the
  text-based 'xf86config' program. 

I used XF86Setup to create the config file for my Matrox card when I installed 
Debian.

I hope this helps,

// Heikki
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Re: Weird! My network turns itself off on bootup! Why?

[Craig Sanders]

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, trio wrote:

> > > Any idea what i'd need? Right now, mine says:
> > >
> > > #auto
> > > 3c509
> > > sg
> 
> > Try removing the '#' from the '#hash' line. See if that makes any
> > difference.
> 
>What #hash line?

oops.  sorry, i meant '#auto'

>Well, despite the fact that i'm getting duplicates of all the e-mail 
> to the debian-users list, you may not have seen the one that says i 
> "fixed" this. It only happens when booting. I created an S14network which 
> restarted things, but then it was still turned off. So someone else 
> proposed it and i changed it to S98network and now the timing works. The 
> network comes up (as noted by a ping from another machine), then it goes 
> down and then the S98 kicks in and it stays up.

glad you got it working...


craig


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modem port root only

[Ed Down]

I'm sure this was answered sometime recently, but can't find it. I've
added the user to the dialout group, but still get /dev/ttyS1 - Permission
denied when trying to use the modem as a user. Do I need to change more
groups (tty, etc) - if so, which ones

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Directory structure at Debian

[Ed Down]

I've been a user of Debian for 6 months or so now - including a sucessfull
upgrade to 1.2 via ftp and a \HUGE stack of floppies, but I still have
great problems understanding what all the directories on the ftp sites
contain. 

Could anyone tell me what the rex-updates and rex-fixed directories are
for? I would have assumed that any packages with serious bugs would be
fixed in the standard rex...  If not, what is rex still there for with
'broken' packages in it? And what happens when you replace your 'rex'
packages file with the 'rex-fixed' one - Does it tell you you need to
upgrade all your packages to rex-fixed level? 

It would seem simpler to me if we just had two directories containing the
base, x11, non-free, contrib, etc directories: Debian-1.2, which is
'fixed' of important bugs as they are cleared and would be used by almost
every 'user', and Debian-1.2-devel, which contains the most up-do-date
working release of each package, for use by 'developers'. 

Then you install just one of two package.gz files - one for the fixed
version which changes infrequently, and one for those cutting edge
Debianites who want the latest of everything. Of course you could also
install any devel packages individually as needed.

OK, you would probably need other directories for unstable/experimental
work, but most of us could ignore these.

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Re: IPX loading every 5 minutes

[Paul J. Clegg]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Roland Haag wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Paul J. Clegg wrote:
> > properly.  Now I'm having a similar problem, except instead of not being
> > loaded, it's being loaded every five minutes.  An excerpt from my messages
> > file:
> > 
> > Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX 0.34
> > for NET3.035
> > Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera,
> > Inc.
> 
> This happens each time I invoke ifconfig.

Doh!  I've a script running at those times that checks ifconfig for the
presence of my PPP connection (restoring it if it's down)...  Jeez, I
thought I would never get that figured out, thanks!

Okay, now does anyone have a good idea as to how to suppress it?  :)

...Paul

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apsfilter_4.9.1-10.deb

[Adam Shand]

Hi.

I've been playing with trying to get my linux box to print postscript files
which is all working nicely now.  (YAY!)

Anyway along the way I downloaded apsfilter_4.9.1-10.deb from unstable.
When I ran it all went nicely through the config script until it got to the
point getting me to choose which printer driver I wanted.  All of a sudden
the hard drive screeched and my machine ground to a halt.  The load average
shot up to about (believe it or not) 89 which is the highest I have ever
seen on a machine (486 dx4/100 with 16 MB RAM) .  Eventually I managed to
background it and see what was going on and there were about 40 copies of
zless running though I couldn't see what they were reading.

I cleaned up and decided to try again.  The same thing started to happen
and when I repeatedly hit CTRL-C it stopped and then carried on with the
script.  

However in the end I couldn't get it to work (magic filter worked perfectly
in the end so that was happy) for what I think in the end turned out to be
that it defined my printer, a HP Deskjet 500, as a dj500 to ghostscript
instead of djet500 as majicfilter did.

Thus ends my bug report... I should file a proper one but it's late and if
I wait til tomorrow I'll forget...

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Re: no NFS mounts from other hosts (!)

[Ioannis Tambouras]

> You should uncomment the lines to start the nfsd and mountd on the other
> hosts in the file /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs.

 Well, not if the only thing I want is to mount volumes. In that
case you only need rpc support from the kernel. That is all.  

 Thanks for all who replied. I will do some additional checks on the
rpc calls with tcpdump to find why mountd failed to register with portmapper,
then I will file a bug report.

 

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New user: Trying to get xserver running.

[Peter Iannarelli]

Hello all:

I have a small problem. I have debian 1.1 (waiting for 2.1) and I'm trying to 
get
x windows up and running. My hardware is

* dual cpu, pentium pro 200, PCI only
* 64 meg ram
* 3com Vortex (work good)
* PS/2 mouse
* ATI Mach 64, when I run SuperProbe I get:

Chipset: ATI 88800GX
Memory:  2048 Kbytes
RAMDAC:  Sierra SC1148{2,3,4} 15-bit or SC1148{5,7,9} 15/16-bit HiColor
 (with 6-bit wide lookup tables (or in 6-bit mode))
Attached graphics coprocessor:
Chipset: ATI Mach64
Memory:  2048 Kbytes

When I install via dselect, and run the test, the test look ok. The mouse 
works, I see
the background as I expect and the X -probeonly report all the clocks.

When I report my system, on the screen where is should see the GUI login prompt 
I get
vertical lines, block graphics, and a couple of colors. In a nutshell, garbage.

I've manually fiddled with the XF86Config and got no success, I've read all the 
READMEs.

I am stumped, I've been working at this for about a week now. 

Oh yea, one last thing, I seem to have a version problem between libc and 
libc-dev 

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Another NCP error

[Mikael Bendtsen]

 Hi!
 
 When I issue commands like slist, ncpmount etc I always get:
 
 Unknown code ___ 255 in ncp_initialize (or something like that).
 
 Anyway, the error code 255 shows up all the time.
 
 
 
 Really need help with this, hope someone can help me.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Mikael Bendtsen
 
 BTW. Please reply to me directly and not to the list.


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Re: IPX loading every 5 minutes

[Roland Haag]

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Paul J. Clegg wrote:

> A few weeks ago, someone helped me correct a problem where my messages log
> was being filled up with notes about how modules weren't being loaded
> properly.  Now I'm having a similar problem, except instead of not being
> loaded, it's being loaded every five minutes.  An excerpt from my messages
> file:
> 
> Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX 0.34
> for NET3.035
> Feb 17 08:57:03 lemur kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera,
> Inc.
> Feb 17 09:02:05 lemur kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX 0.34
> for NET3.035
> Feb 17 09:02:05 lemur kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera,
> Inc.

This happens each time I invoke ifconfig.

> 
> It didn't do this after I fixed the previous problem; only after I
> rebooted recently has it started to do this.  Any ideas?  Thanks in
> advance.
> 
> ...Paul
> 
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trouble mounting my cd-rom

[Kane Spinato]

I have a SCSI cd-rom drive attached to an AHA-2940U controller. The boot
disk on the same controller is device 0 while the cd drive is device 3. My
machine boots fine off of the disk and it used to mount cd-roms without
trouble. At some point it stopped being able to do so: 

spasm:/proc# mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
   or too many mounted file systems

Between the time it did work and now I have patched my kernel a few times.
It is now 2.0.27. I selected  scsi disk and cdrom support in the
menuconfig, but for the low-level drivers I only selected Adaptec
AHA274X/284X/294X support. I did not include non-scsi cd support, but I
did include iso9660.

During bootup the kernel does seems to recognize the cdrom drive:

Feb 20 01:40:04 spasm kernel: scsi0: Target 3, channel A, now synchronous
at 10.0MHz, offset 8.
Feb 20 01:40:04 spasm kernel:   Vendor: TEAC  Model: CD-ROM CD-56S
Rev:1.0D Feb 20 01:40:04 spasm kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI
revision: 02
Feb 20 01:40:04 spasm kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel
0, id 3, lun 0
Feb 20 01:40:04 spasm kernel: scsi : detected 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk
total.


>From /proc/devices:

Block devices:
 1 ramdisk
 2 fd
 8 sd
11 sr

following the cdrom mini-faq:

spasm:/proc# dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/dev/null bs=2048
dd: /dev/scd0: I/O error
0+0 records in
0+0 records out


spasm:/dev# ls -las scd0
   0 brw-rw   1 root root  11,   0 Dec 20 16:51 scd0


I would like to at least be able to resolve whether this is a hardware or
software problem. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: help with dselect

[Craig Sanders]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Mikael Hallendal wrote:

> Today I connected to ftp.debian.org with dselect to see if there was
> any new packages. It was and among them there was a new version of
> sysklogd. Now the dependences for this one states that it depends
> on bash (<<2.0.1). When using ftp I have chosen [unstable contrib
> non-free] for my FTP-selections, this means that the only available
> bash is 2.0.2 with is >2.0.1
>
> Now my question. Is there a way to tell dselect not to try installing
> this new version, not using the - wich causes it to be removed the
> next time you do remove.

in dselect's Select mode, move the cursor to the bash package and press
"H" to hold the package. This will prevent dselect from upgrading bash
until you either up/down-graded it by hand with dpkg or until you unhold
it by pressing "G".

Unless you want to find lots of shell scripts on your system which are
incompatible with the new bash 2.0 then you dont want to upgrade bash
anyway.

If you've already installed bash 2.0 then you'll have to downgrade it
by hand with dpkg. ftp bash 1.14.7-2 from the stable tree and install
it with 'dpkg -i'. Remember to Hold bash again in dselect, otherwise
it will just be upgraded automatically again next time you run dselect
Install.

Craig


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Re: Innd problems

[Craig Sanders]

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Matthew Stone wrote:

> Hmm.. I am having some problems with innd.. it seems that my innd when
> I try to run the daemon.. it doesn't stay in memory for some reason
> and there for when I run my news problem it can't connect.. 

read the logs in /var/log/news - innd is quite verbose (excessive unless
you edit /etc/syslog.conf to ignore news.notice) in it's logging. 

You'll want to look at /var/log/news.err or /var/log/news/news.crit. 
These log files will tell you what you're doing wrong.

> what am I do wrong.. am I missing any command lines parameters or
> anything that is needed??

since you haven't provide any details, i'll have to use my amazing psychic
powers and read your mind...

.aha! that's it! you haven't read the documentation! 

look in /usr/doc/inn.  in fact, look under all subdirectories of /usr/doc
- most of the things you would want to know about your system are
documented in there.   read the man pages too.

(i feel drained now.  i dont think i'll be able to repeat that stupendous
psychic feat for weeks) 

> Now.. there is one more question I have.. I would like to have no
> matter what I do when I run tin to go to the address listed in the
> /etc/news/server file.. so if I have say blah.blah.blah in it it will
> try and connect to blah.blah.blah when I run tin.. without the need of
> having to run tin -r to access that server..

'tin' is for accessing news in the local news spool. 'tin -r' is for
using a remote nntp server.

running 'rtin' is equivalent to 'tin -r', so just run rtin.

other than that, read the man pages and the docs under /usr/doc/tin - there
may (or may not) be an option for your ~/.tinrc which does what you want. 

Craig


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How to map + under X?

[Zlatko Rek]

Hi,

On my notebook, the numeric keypad is embedded into main keypad.
When it is active, the key-symbols: 7,8,9,0,u,i,... can't be used. 
Because I use Jed in EDT mode, and the frequent switching is very 
annoying, I changed following lines in /etc/kbd/default.map:

alt keycode   8 = KP_7  
alt keycode   9 = KP_8  
alt keycode  10 = KP_9   
alt keycode  11 = KP_Multiply   
alt keycode  22 = KP_4   
alt keycode  23 = KP_5   
alt keycode  24 = KP_6   
alt keycode  25 = KP_Subtract   
alt keycode  28 = KP_Enter
alt keycode  36 = KP_1   
alt keycode  37 = KP_2   
alt keycode  38 = KP_3   
alt keycode  39 = KP_Add  
alt keycode  50 = KP_0   
alt keycode  52 = KP_Period 
alt keycode  53 = KP_Divide  

Doing so, the Jed EDT mode under console works fine: +7 is KP_7, 
etc... But I don't know how to do the same under X Windows. 
Any help is appreciated.

Best regards.
Zlatko
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Re: POP Mail Reader where Mail stays on server

[Hong Huang]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Dr. Mark A. Friedman wrote:

> I know a message was posted recently asking if a POP Mail Reader
> existed for Debian that would read mail on the server without
> downloading it.  I did not see a response.  Does anyone know
> of such a POP Mail Reader?

Try pine.


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libc5

[Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.CNET/LAB/FCI/PIH]

Hello,

I have got Debian 1.2 installed on my system. I tried to 
install the non-free package scilab using dpkg. dpkg complains 
about libc_5.4.17-1 or more. I have libc5_5.4.13-1 installed on my 
system and I can't find the libc_5.4.17-1 package in the debian site. 
Could you please tell me where is it .

Thanks
Franck


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sysklogd 1.3-13

[Mikael Hallendal]

Hi!

Why is it that the new sysklogd in 'unstable' dependens on an old bash and not 
on the new one?

Is there any packages that dependes on bash 2.0-2 or is it just to downgrade 
it to the one in section stable so that I can get sysklogd working??

/Micke


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POP Mail Reader where Mail stays on server

[Dr. Mark A. Friedman]

I know a message was posted recently asking if a POP Mail Reader
existed for Debian that would read mail on the server without
downloading it.  I did not see a response.  Does anyone know
of such a POP Mail Reader?

Thanks,

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Re: clock

[Ioannis Tambouras]

 If you set the system clock (the real clock) to GMT, then MS Windows
 will also think that your are in England. (Maybe in Windows95 has a
 a way around it, don't know). To do that, (most likely you do not want it!)
 supply the "-u"  to the timezone script. It should work, but I never tried
 it. Alternativelly, set the kernel clock manually with the date command, 
 then " clock -w" to write it permanetly on the system (hardware) clock.

 You see, there are 2 different clocks:
 1. is what the kernal thinks and manipulated with date(1).
 2. the real clock on the motherboard, manipulated with clock(1).


 

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Re: Automount (amd) cdrom and floppy

[James LewisMoss]

> "Jonas" == Jonas Bofjall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Jonas> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Hayao Nakahara wrote:
 >> Yes you can. The followings are some of my /etc/adm/amd.xxx
 >> files. On such configuration, I can mount cdrom by accessing
 >> "/l/cd", mount floppy with ext2 format by "/l/fd" mount floopy
 >> with fat format by "/l/msdos". and explicitly umount cdrom by "amq
 >> -u /l/cd", and so forth.

 Jonas> What I and many other DOS -> Linux migrates wishes for, is a
 Jonas> driver with which I can remove my floppy at any time. This
 Jonas> would require that the floppy never is write cached. Once I
 Jonas> heard of a program called SuperMount which could do this, but
 Jonas> I never got it to work (it was old, and required kernel
 Jonas> patching). What I really don't understand is if your amd stuff
 Jonas> here is a solution to this problem or not?

No it isn't.  The best you can do here is set a time limit for how
long it'll stay mounted.  As soon as you (say your cdrom will mount on
/cdrom) change directory to /cdrom amd will mount it.  As soon as you
no longer are accessing /cdrom (cd ~) amd will start counting down.
After a specified amount of time it'll dismount it.  Problem is you
can't just take it out without checking that it has been unmounted, so
every time you go to take it out you have to do df or some such. :(

The problem with the kernel doing it is that it has to figure out what
kind of filesystem is on the zip disk, floppy, etc.  AND it has to
know where to mount it.

I suppose you could set amd to a very short period of time before it
umounts something.  I'm not sure what kind of problems this will
cause, but I suspect it isn't such a great idea.

Ideally (on my first thought on this) it would be nice to have some
user space program mounting things (but never unmounting them) so that
it can do the filesystem check based on a number of things rather than
coding it in the kernel.  The kernel should then sense when a user
requests a disk eject (of course this doesn't work on floppies since
it isn't a requested eject rather a forced eject (one nice thing about
Macs IMO)) and umounts the disk.

Of course this is much easier in the Dos/Win(3.1|95) world since you
don't encounter 10 different partition types. (more?)

If I'm missing some wonderful way to do this I'd love to know. :)

Jim

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Re: smail-problem: smtp not doing its work

[Johann Spies]

Thanks.  I did not know about runq.


Johann.


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On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Stefan Walder wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Johann Spies wrote:
> 
> > Hallo,
> > 
> > I have a dialup-connection (ppp) to an ISP. I developed a problem this
> > week after trying out a customized kernel (which I removed again).
> > 
> > The problem is that mail in the queue are not sent automatically when the
> > connection with the ISP is estblished.
> 
> After then PPP-Line is established run the runq command. It is a link of smail
> an smail now will try to deliver the mail to the net. I've pushed the runq
> command in the /etc/ppp/ip-ip file.
> 
> 
> Stefan Walder
> 
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Re: clock

[Ioannis Tambouras]

> > I assume that you don't want the "-u" flag.
>
> So, how can one figure out (from DOS or the BIOS) if your system clock
> is set to GMT or not? Other than trial and error...
>
> Rik.

 Your .be domain tell me that you are +1 hours ahead from Greenwich (sp?),
 England.  Check the current time that dos tells you, and if it agrees with
 your local time then your system clock is not set to GMT. 

 You can also check from linux at what time your system clock is set with
 % clock -r . If this output matches that of % date -u , then your system
 clock is set to GMT
  
 In other words, if c:> time , and % date show you the right time and your are
 happy with that, then you are all set.  



Ioannis Tambouras
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Re: no NFS mounts from other hosts (!)

[Rik Huygen]

Ioannis Tambouras wrote:

> NFS mounts for other hosts fail. On the server everything is in place:
> portmap, nfs, mountd, are running, and I can mount nfs partitions from 
> the server to itself. But, from another host (who has nfs module loaded)
> I get the classic: "mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered"

You should uncomment the lines to start the nfsd and mountd on the other
hosts in the file /etc/init.d/netstd_nfs.

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Re: smail-problem: smtp not doing its work

[Stefan Walder]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Johann Spies wrote:

> Hallo,
> 
> I have a dialup-connection (ppp) to an ISP. I developed a problem this
> week after trying out a customized kernel (which I removed again).
> 
> The problem is that mail in the queue are not sent automatically when the
> connection with the ISP is estblished.

After then PPP-Line is established run the runq command. It is a link of smail
an smail now will try to deliver the mail to the net. I've pushed the runq
command in the /etc/ppp/ip-ip file.


Stefan Walder

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eth0: Insufficient memory; nuking packet. (??)

[Dr. Andreas Wehler]

Hi.

 Does someone know how to cure this sort of a hung net?  I understand
that testing a beta version software may result in an adventure.  When
testing LyX at some point with the try to produce a real LaTeX-preview
the net completely hung.  In /var/log/messages there were the
following entries:


Feb 20 09:36:25 welfa4 kernel: Couldn't get a free page.
Feb 20 09:36:25 welfa4 kernel: eth0: Insufficient memory; nuking packet.
Feb 20 09:36:25 welfa4 last message repeated 6 times


 I never experienced such a situation before.  The net couldn't even
be shut down by ''ifconfig down eth0''.  ifconfig showed about more
than 1100 errors for Transmissions.

 -Andreas.

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Re: Debian on the shuttle

[Yoav Cohen-Sivan]

First and foremost - great going guys! But... It saddened me to see
no mention of Linus' name in the article. He is more than just a
"Finnish college student" (in fact, he isn't one anymore) and I believe
he should have been given more credit, at least his name should have
appeared in the press release. No harm intended Bruce, but Linus'
contribution is just as big as yours...


Yoav


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Re: clock

[Rik Huygen]

Rob Browning wrote:
> Check /etc/init.d/boot.  You want to change the lines that read:
>
> # Set GMT="-u" if your system clock is set to GMT, and GMT="" if not.
> GMT="-u" 
>
> I assume that you don't want the "-u" flag.

So, how can one figure out (from DOS or the BIOS) if your system clock
is set to GMT or not? Other than trial and error...

Rik.

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smail-problem: smtp not doing its work

[Johann Spies]

Hallo,

I have a dialup-connection (ppp) to an ISP. I developed a problem this
week after trying out a customized kernel (which I removed again).

The problem is that mail in the queue are not sent automatically when the
connection with the ISP is estblished.

I tried reconfiguring smail and even reinstalling smail, but without
success.  I have read the smail manpage without really understanding how
to use those options.  In the past I never needed them.

This message was sent while connected to the ISP.  There are still
messages in the queue and they are not sent.

Can somebody help, please?

The following part of my /var/spool/smail/logfile might provide a clue:

---

02/20/97 10:09:35: [m0vxTZP-XyC] received
|from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|host: localhost
|protocol: smtp
| program: sendmail
| orig-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|size: 1602 bytes

02/20/97 10:09:36: [m0vxTZP-XyC] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... deferred: 
(ERR_164) router inet_hosts: BIND server failure: Connection to BIND server 
failed: Connection refused

02/20/97 10:10:10: [m0vxTZx-bWC] received
|from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|host: localhost
|protocol: smtp
| program: sendmail
| orig-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|size: 5718 bytes

02/20/97 10:10:10: [m0vxTZx-bWC] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... deferred: 
(ERR_164) router inet_hosts: BIND server failure: Connection to BIND server 
failed: Connection refused

02/20/97 10:13:07: [m0vxTcp-bZC] received
|from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|host: localhost
|protocol: smtp
| program: sendmail
| orig-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|size: 643 bytes

02/20/97 10:13:09: [m0vxTcp-bZC] delivered
| via: alpha.futurenet.co.za
|  to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| orig-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|  router: inet_hosts
|   transport: smtp

02/20/97 10:13:09: [m0vxTcp-bZC] Completed.

This last message [m0vxTcp-bZC] was send while I was connected to the ISP.

Can somebody help, please


Johann Spies
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Re: menu

[Nicolás Lichtmaier]

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Brad Bell wrote:

> >  Of course! Read the docs in /usr/doc/menu...!
> oh thank you oh oh so much!  what wonderful wonderful instructions!  i
> never would have thought of doing that!

 It seems that you needed that someone tells you to read the docs. I'm
glad to have helped you... =b

Nicolás Lichtmaier.-
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PLIP, Win 95

[jlillibr]

bin5lvBwTueTb.bin
Description: application/pgp-message

Re: menu

[Brad Bell]

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Brad Bell wrote:
> 
> > i've got the menu package installed and working great (with fvwm2/95).  i
> > was wondering if anyone out there knows how to add a menu item for
> > something which is not part of a debian package.  i.e. stuff i've manually
> > installed, like x48 or doom or amaya. -- i could just add them to a
> > totally unrelated package which happens to be installed, but that doesn't
> > seem very proper...  is there a file i can put in /etc/menu which will be
> > read in even if there is no debian package of that name?
> 
>  Of course! Read the docs in /usr/doc/menu...!

oh thank you oh oh so much!  what wonderful wonderful instructions!  i
never would have thought of doing that!


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Re: cron doesn't start at boot up?

[Rob Browning]

Chow Chi-Ming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am just querying why the cron postinst doesn't install, or offer to
> install the cron deamon using update-rc.d, so that cron is started at
> boot up.  Even the gpm daemon (a significantly less important daemon)
> is started at boot up by default.

This was a bug in the cron package.  It's been fixed in newer
versions.

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