Re: rt kernel and nouveau

[daniel jimenez]

Wow, thanks a lot guys!

right now, I have two xorg.conf files, backed up like

xorg.conf.nv xorg.conf.rt

the 'nv' one is my old configuration and I use it every time I'm
working/playing/watching a film...

in the other one I removed all references to a second monitor and replaced

driver "nvidia" with
driter  "vesa"

left everything else untouched.


result is: now I just have to switch one file and select the proper kernel
on grub

another quick Q, Is it safe to copy/paste the complete kernel entries on
grub to alter the order they appear?

alternatively, how do you go about changing the default selection on grub2?

I used to know that, but those where grub(1) times :)

Daniel

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2012-03-22 12:59 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39:51PM -0700, daniel jimenez wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to get an rt kernel working in debian testing on an amd64
> laptop
> >> with nvidia graphics.
> >>
> >> Ideally I'd have nouveau set up to start when I select (in grub) the rt
> >> kernel and the nvidia drivers when choosing the regular kernel. Problem
> is,
> >> I don't know how to do that...
> >>
> >> Any help appreciated.
> >
> > You can prevent the loading of a module on the kernel command line, so
> e.g.
> >
> >   kernel /foo.rt nvidia.blacklist=yes
> >
> > Will prevent the nvidia kernel module from loading.  This will hopefully
> > mean the nouveau one will win the race,
>
> Unless nouveau is blacklisted as well, which is the case if the
> nvidia-kernel-common package is installed.  I would prefer not to
> blacklist anything and boot the non-rt kernel with the 'nomodeset'
> parameter.
>
> > and X will use whatever driver corresponds to what the kernel has
> > loaded.
>
> Not true, nvidia is never autoloaded, so you need at least a 4-line
> xorg.conf.  And it is also necessary to switch the providers of
> /usr/lib/$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH/libGL.so.1 and
> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so, otherwise OpenGL programs
> will not run.
>
> All doable with a custom initscript, but quite some hassle.
>
> > Getting grub2 to use a different command-line option for each entry left
> > as an exercise for the reader.
>
> I ended up locally diverting /usr/sbin/update-grub (replacing it with a
> symlink to /bin/true) and managing /boot/grub/grub.cfg by hand.
>
> Cheers,
>   Sven
>
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Re: Why did gtkdialog disappear from the repository?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/12 16:39, Jason Hsu wrote:
> It would normally be at 
> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtkdialog/gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb
>  .
> 
> However, I see at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtkdialog/ that 
> gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb has disappeared.
> 
> What's going on?  I need that package for scripts for my Linux distro Swift 
> Linux, and so does antiX Linux.
> 
http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtkdialog.html

Maybe you should become the new maintainer.


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Why did gtkdialog disappear from the repository?

[Jason Hsu]

It would normally be at 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtkdialog/gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb
 .

However, I see at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtkdialog/ that 
gtkdialog_0.7.20-4_i386.deb has disappeared.

What's going on?  I need that package for scripts for my Linux distro Swift 
Linux, and so does antiX Linux.

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Re: Bug#666010: ITP: nvidia-texture-tools -- image processing and texture manipulation tools

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Christofer C. Bell
 wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Lennart Weller  wrote:
>> Am 28.03.2012 01:01, schrieb Ben Hutchings:
>>>
>>> Since you've accepted as fact that this software infringes those
>>> patents, it looks like you're about to violate item 1 of the Debian
>>> patent policy.
>>>
>>> Ben.
>>>
>> S3TC is not actively enforced by S3. And I took this thread [1] as a
>> reference to create the ITP anyway. According to this thread from 2010
>> there are at least three other projects already using the S3TC
>> algorithms. And there is more than one project which depends on this
>> package. e.g. 0ad and wine
>>
>> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/12/msg00062.html
>
> I think Ben's point is that the Debian Patent Policy[1] was published
> on February 19, 2012, and therefore would supersede any previous
> consensus regarding the inclusion of patent encumbered software where
> the included patents are not being actively enforced.
>
> Personally, I agree with the posters in the thread you cited[2].  If
> this is going to be the project's official position, it may as well
> close shop.
>
> [1] http://www.debian.org/legal/patent
> [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/12/msg00062.html


Folks, I apologize.  I posted this to the wrong list.

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Re: Bug#666010: ITP: nvidia-texture-tools -- image processing and texture manipulation tools

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Lennart Weller  wrote:
> Am 28.03.2012 01:01, schrieb Ben Hutchings:
>>
>> Since you've accepted as fact that this software infringes those
>> patents, it looks like you're about to violate item 1 of the Debian
>> patent policy.
>>
>> Ben.
>>
> S3TC is not actively enforced by S3. And I took this thread [1] as a
> reference to create the ITP anyway. According to this thread from 2010
> there are at least three other projects already using the S3TC
> algorithms. And there is more than one project which depends on this
> package. e.g. 0ad and wine
>
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/12/msg00062.html

I think Ben's point is that the Debian Patent Policy[1] was published
on February 19, 2012, and therefore would supersede any previous
consensus regarding the inclusion of patent encumbered software where
the included patents are not being actively enforced.

Personally, I agree with the posters in the thread you cited[2].  If
this is going to be the project's official position, it may as well
close shop.

[1] http://www.debian.org/legal/patent
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/12/msg00062.html

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Re: Can no longer mount SDHC card

[Charles Kroeger]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:40:02 +0200
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

> On Mi, 21 mar 12, 14:26:22, Charles Kroeger wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for the suggestion..however if the SD card happens to be in the
> > camera and not in the card reader during the boot fstab can't find
> > 'sde1' (because it's not there) then I get to see the 'not found'
> > warning. That's the reason for not putting the 'sde1' line in fstab. 
> 
> noauto?

auto what..please elaborate.

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hp tc4200 tablet pen input howto?

[prad]

i'm running debian squeeze stable and according to this:

Instructions for Debian Squeeze (Xorg >= 1.7)
Both Xorg and the Linux Wacom project have changed DRASTICALLY in Debian
Squeeze (for example Xorg 1.7 eliminated its configuration file
"xorg.conf" file). The instructions on this page are limited to older
systems. However, if you have Squeeze then you can easily get your Wacom
working by installing the Debian packages "xserver-xorg-input-wacom" and
"xinput". After plugging in your tablet you can configure it using the
"xinput" command (note that the utility "xsetwacom" is no longer
necessary).
http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/wacom.html

i should be able to get the tablet to work.

xserver-xorg-input-wacom
xinput
hal
are all installed.

however, whenever i try to do something with xinput i get:

Unable to connect to X server

i got the impression that xinput will help me configure the tablet so
the pen will work?

i tried the tablet on ubuntu live and the pen worked right away.

what do i need to do?


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Re: reboot hangs

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/12 12:24, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Maybe somebody can suggest a fix:
> 
> I have an old tower machine - a homebrew that I use as a sandbox.  Just
> loaded it up with a copy of squeeze, and a xen installation - works
> fine, but...
> - shutdown -h works just fine
> - reboot goes down, gives the console message "restarting system", then
> hangs
> 
> On an earlier installation (Lenny, x86 install) adding "reboot=bios"
> solved the problem.  This time around - 64bit image (amd64), squeeze,
> none of the reboot=[] parameters seem to make a difference.  (I note
> that the Debian installer documentation indicates that reboot=bios only
> works with x86).
> 
> Any suggestions?  Any configuration things I should try to uncover that
> might help find a solution (I don't have paperwork on the box, anymore -
> so it's going to be a matter of running various probes to figure out
> what's on the motherboard and such - suggested commands welcome.)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Miles Fidelman
> 

I suspect you've already thought of this but... could it be an ACPI
problem? I use a number of older machines for development - some require
acpi=force to shutdown properly or they just hang at the last stage of halt.

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reboot hangs

[Miles Fidelman]

Maybe somebody can suggest a fix:

I have an old tower machine - a homebrew that I use as a sandbox.  Just 
loaded it up with a copy of squeeze, and a xen installation - works 
fine, but...

- shutdown -h works just fine
- reboot goes down, gives the console message "restarting system", then 
hangs


On an earlier installation (Lenny, x86 install) adding "reboot=bios" 
solved the problem.  This time around - 64bit image (amd64), squeeze, 
none of the reboot=[] parameters seem to make a difference.  (I note 
that the Debian installer documentation indicates that reboot=bios only 
works with x86).


Any suggestions?  Any configuration things I should try to uncover that 
might help find a solution (I don't have paperwork on the box, anymore - 
so it's going to be a matter of running various probes to figure out 
what's on the motherboard and such - suggested commands welcome.)


Thanks!

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 04:48, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)

  wrote:

Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.

+1

Some of us prize reliability above the cutting edge.  And as Kelly points out,
you can always use Ubuntu.

Lisi


I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of 
course I still want stability and reliability.


I love both Ubuntu and Debian. I was using Fedora 11 x86-64 previously.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 28/03/2012 03:13, Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
  wrote:

Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


I am right now installing Debian Squeeze amd64 via netboot Xen 
installation on my Ubuntu 11.10 amd64 host. It takes a long time to 
download packages from the cdn.debian.net mirror though. It is a 
paravirtualized (PV) Debian squeeze guest installation.


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Re: Xen vs KVM

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

I am also in favor of Xen.

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On 28/03/2012 02:51, Kostas Psilopoulos wrote:

Just proposing my opinion in this topic.

I'm in favor of XEN especially in use with debian. Most reasons have 
already been discused
but i'd like to add that xen is type 1 hypervisor. The very nature of 
Xen is completely different than
KVM. It supports the widest variety of operating systems (not that KVM 
does not support them,
but just comparing their performance...). One thing that might be 
slight better in favor of
KVM is sometimes when the guest OS uses the same kernel with the host. 
this happens because the host
does not generate everything from scratch (or sth like that). Anyway 
the difference in performance i think is
minor. Everyone should experiment with both virtualization types 
because both Xen and KVM are at least well supported.
The specific needs of the usecase should lead you to the choice to be 
made!


Best regards!


> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:55:31 +0800
> From: ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com
> To: aaron.topo...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org; 
singapore.mr.teo.en.m...@gmail.com

> Subject: Re: Xen vs KVM
>
> On 27/03/2012 21:32, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang 
Enming) wrote:

> >>> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> >>> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> >>> have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> >>> Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> >>> required).
> >> So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's 
virtualisation
> >> technology? The mind boggles! Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, 
virt-manager…
> > How is Xen yesterday's virtualization technology? It's fully 
supported by

> > Citrix XenServer and Oracle VM. Sun used it for the basis of their xVM
> > solution, and Virtual Iron used Xen for the basis of theirs as 
well (both

> > of whom were purchased by Oracle).
> >
> > Some will say that Xen is more stable than KVM. After being a RHEL and
> > Debian system administrator, and deploying KVM with both the 
commercial
> > RHEV product, and with libvrt(8) and virt-manager(1), I think I 
agree. I've
> > had the hypervisor kernel do some wacky stuff with KVM that I 
haven't seen
> > with Xen. With that said, my heart belongs to KVM, I just wish it 
had a bit

> > more stability.
> >
> > Xen also has a longer history of 3rd party support, and has had a 
longer

> > time to mature. It was just recently accepted into the mainline Linux
> > kernel, and still shows very active development. Xen also supports 
full

> > virtualization and paravirtualization.
> >
> > IMO, Xen isn't "yesterday's virtualization technology". It's very 
current,

> > stable, flexible, supported and very much "today's virtualization
> > technology".
> >
> > --
> > . o . o . o . . o o . . . o .
> > . . o . o o o . o . o o . . o
> > o o o . o . . o o o o . o o o
>
> Dear Aaron,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> Anyway, I have never used Linux KVM before. I have always supported 
Xen,

> since 3 years ago.
>
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>
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Re: /tmp full, tmpfs, Debian testing

[wlan]

Oh, if I close window with movie and start it again all works.

root@serenity:/home/wlan# df -h /tmp
Файловая система Размер Использовано  Дост Использовано% Cмонтировано в
tmpfs  605M  12M  594M2% /tmp

After restart movie into browser.

2012/3/28 wlan :
> Hello, guys.
>
> I was install Debian testing x86_64 with KDE4 2 days ago. And I've
> next problem. For example I watched movie in my browser from streaming
> and my /tmp was full, and movie stoped.  It's bug? Or I can resolve it
> problem? Yep, i was use google. =)
>
> root@serenity:/home/wlan# uname -a
> Linux serenity 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 20 18:36:37 UTC 2012
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> root@serenity:/home/wlan# df -h /tmp
> Файловая система Размер Использовано  Дост Использовано% Cмонтировано в
> tmpfs              605M         605M     0          100% /tmp
>
> root@serenity:/home/wlan# du -sh /tmp
> 16K     /tmp
>
> root@serenity:/home/wlan# free -m
>             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
> Mem:          3021       2664        357          0         22       1343
> -/+ buffers/cache:       1298       1723
> Swap:         3903          0       3903
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Sotnikov.
>
> PGP-key id: 8509ED19

/tmp full, tmpfs, Debian testing

[wlan]

Hello, guys.

I was install Debian testing x86_64 with KDE4 2 days ago. And I've
next problem. For example I watched movie in my browser from streaming
and my /tmp was full, and movie stoped.  It's bug? Or I can resolve it
problem? Yep, i was use google. =)

root@serenity:/home/wlan# uname -a
Linux serenity 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 20 18:36:37 UTC 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux

root@serenity:/home/wlan# df -h /tmp
Файловая система Размер Использовано  Дост Использовано% Cмонтировано в
tmpfs  605M 605M 0  100% /tmp

root@serenity:/home/wlan# du -sh /tmp
16K /tmp

root@serenity:/home/wlan# free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  3021   2664357  0 22   1343
-/+ buffers/cache:   1298   1723
Swap: 3903  0   3903

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Re: A correction: was Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[Walter Hurry]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:55:32 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Tuesday 27 March 2012 00:30:57 jwesleycoo...@cox.net wrote:
> 
> Correction of my earlier email.  You had been waiting 20 hours (the
> original datelines I used were in different time zones).  It really is a
> bit much to call 20 hours "days on end".

Top posting his replies too. Enough. Plonk.


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Strange USB issue on 6.0.4 : kernel:[1202001.893158] Oops: 0010 [#5] SMP

[Dennis Clarke]

I have a HP external USB attached disk plugged into a USB port on my system.

Periodically, every eight or twelve hours or so, and without any real pattern
or trigger cause, I see the following message :

root@aster:~#
Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893158] Oops: 0010 [#5] SMP

Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893165] last sysfs file:
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:02.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.3/3-1.3:1.0/host8/target8:0:0/8:0:0:0/block/sdc/uevent

Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893435] Stack:

Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893469] Call Trace:

Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893735] Code:  Bad RIP value.

Message from syslogd@aster at Mar 26 15:23:02 ...
 kernel:[1202001.893754] CR2: 00fd0019

The external USB disk is no longer mounted and any attemp to read it ( with a
simple ls ) results in IO errors.

I unplug it.

Wait 30 secs or so.

Plug it back in and then I see in /dev/sd? thus :

root@aster:~# ls -laptr /dev/sd*
brw-rw 1 root disk   8, 16 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sdb
brw-rw 1 root disk   8,  0 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sda
brw-rw 1 root disk   8, 17 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sdb1
brw-rw 1 root disk   8,  3 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sda3
brw-rw 1 root disk   8,  2 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sda2
brw-rw 1 root disk   8,  1 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sda1
brw-rw 1 root disk   8,  4 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sda4
brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 33 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sdc1
brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 32 Mar 12 17:29 /dev/sdc
brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 96 Mar 27 21:53 /dev/sdg
brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 97 Mar 27 21:53 /dev/sdg1

The last entry there /dev/sdg1 would be my external HP disk which I can now
mount :

root@aster:~# /bin/mount -v -t ext4 -o rw /dev/sdg1 /hp

Now the filesystem is usable with no real issues.

I have to repeat this process daily, once or twice, and the message on the
console are generally the same. More or less.

How would I go about debugging this issue if it is caused by the USB driver ?

Thank you in advance for any insights.

Dennis



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Re: Question about make-kpkg and versions

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:28:51 -0400 (EDT), Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
> 
> Thanks! This seems to cover me.
> 
> Not much of a terminology, haha, I just had to put the numbers in there
> because there are three version substrings in the .deb file of a kernel
> package! To the confusion adds the fact that the version of the source
> package (now starts with 2.6 even for 3.0+ kernels), the version in the
> name of the package and the debian package version are often different!

Yes, I've noticed that.  Ever since moving off of 2.6.xx kernels, we've
got naming convention issues.  I've been meaning to ask the kernel team
about this.  I guess it's time to do it.  I will post my question to
the debian-kernel mailing list and see what happens.

At the time I wrote my kernel-building web page, the kernel version in
the package name always matched the internal kernel version, and the
package version always did too.  There were different suffices, but the
basic version (x.y.z, for example, 2.6.32), was always consistent.  This
is no longer the case.  As further clarification, make-kpkg uses
the internal version in it's package name, and the value specified for
--append-to-version will be appended to this internal version.  The
internal version is specified in the title of the main menu displayed
by "make menuconfig".  I may need to update my kernel-building web page
to add further clarification on this matter, but I'd like to get some
clarification from the kernel team first on how they're doing things.
(I.e. is this a bug or a feature?)

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Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[jwesleycooper]

Thanks, I'll go ahead and post it there. :)

 Elimar Riesebieter  wrote: 
* John Wesley Cooper  [2012-03-27 12:20 -0700]:

> Is there a mailing list more appropriate to the question I asked
> in my last email?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/

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Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[Elimar Riesebieter]

* John Wesley Cooper  [2012-03-27 12:20 -0700]:

> Is there a mailing list more appropriate to the question I asked
> in my last email?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/

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RE: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[John Wesley Cooper]

I apoligize, but I wasn't trying to imply that I had been waiting for days, 
simply that I'd rather end up waiting that long only to find that I'd have been 
better off sending my question to another mailing list.

-Original Message-
From: Lisi 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 13:51
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:20:33 John Wesley Cooper wrote:
> not be stuck sitting on my hands for days on end

According to the date lines you had been waiting for an answer for 30 hours.  
Hardly "days on end".

Lisi


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A correction: was Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 00:30:57 jwesleycoo...@cox.net wrote:

Correction of my earlier email.  You had been waiting 20 hours (the original 
datelines I used were in different time zones).  It really is a bit much to 
call 20 hours "days on end".

Lisi


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Re: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:20:33 John Wesley Cooper wrote:
> not be stuck sitting on my hands for days on end

According to the date lines you had been waiting for an answer for 30 hours.  
Hardly "days on end".

Lisi


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
>
>  wrote:
> > Too slow!
>
> Not at all.
> You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
> of speed fits you better.

+1

Some of us prize reliability above the cutting edge.  And as Kelly points out, 
you can always use Ubuntu.

Lisi


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Re: rt kernel and nouveau

[Tom H]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU
 wrote:
> On Jo, 22 mar 12, 17:28:26, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>
>> > Getting grub2 to use a different command-line option for each entry left
>> > as an exercise for the reader.
>>
>> I ended up locally diverting /usr/sbin/update-grub (replacing it with a
>> symlink to /bin/true) and managing /boot/grub/grub.cfg by hand.
>
> I think this is the only feature of grub1 that I missed.

Why can't you do the same with grub2?


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Re: Preseed not pulling in file from network with wget

[Tom H]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Todd A. Jacobs
 wrote:
>
> I've got the following snippet in a Debian preseed.cfg file:
>
> d-i preseed/late_command string \
> in-target mkdir --mode=700 /home/vagrant/.ssh; \
> in-target chown vagrant:vagrant /home/vagrant/.ssh; \
> in-target wget --no-check-certificate
> --output-document=/home/vagrant/.ssh/authorized_keys
> https://raw.github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/master/keys/vagrant.pub; \
> in-target chown vagrant:vagrant /home/vagrant/.ssh/authorized_keys; \
> in-target chmod 0600 /home/vagrant/.ssh/authorized_keys; \
>
> but I'm having a terrible time with the preseed not actually installing the
> vagrant.pub key in the .ssh directory. This works when I perform the tasks
> by hand from within the configured system, but the point of the exercise is
> to use the preseed file to "just make it happen."
>
> Any idea what could be wrong? I find the preseed/late_commands very
> difficult to debug, especially when they aren't throwing any obvious errors.
>
> On a hunch, I've checked the installer syslog, but the error makes no sense.
> The logs are saying that there's no such directory as /home/vagrant/.ssh,
> but since preseed/late_command should be running after the user has been
> created (along with their home directory and files from /etc/skel) and just
> before the installer unmounts /target, what could possibly be causing this?

When you boot into your install, does "vagrant" exist and is its home
directory "/home/vagrant"?

You can add "dbg/flags=all-x" to the kernel boot line.


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Re: Xen and Squeeze

[Tom H]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Miles Fidelman
 wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
>>   wrote:
>>> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
 Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
>>>
>>> You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
>>> the Xen bits though.
>>
>> You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
>> xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
>> doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.
>
> Isn't upstream up to 4.1.2 now?

Wheezy and Sid too.


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Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

[John Wesley Cooper]

Is there a mailing list more appropriate to the question I asked in my last 
email?  I'd really like to get this sorted out, and not be stuck sitting on my 
hands for days on end.

-Original Message-
From: jwesleycoo...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 16:30
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Can't read or boot from Squeeze 6.0.4 [ppc] disk 1 on Original iMac

Hey all,

I'm having some trouble getting Debian Squeeze installed on my old original 
iMac, which is one of the first "Bondi" blue ones ... from what your install 
guide says, it should be supported; plus I know it's not the disks though, 
because the OpenSuSE box I burnt them on can read them, and they were verified 
as 100% correct by K3B after I made the disks.  I also tried getting the disk 
to boot from Open Firmware, but to no avail.

Considering this, the only thing I can figure is that it must have something to 
do with the bios it has, especially after what I've read from the following 
site on getting OS-X (tiger) running on these antiques:

http://lowendmac.com/macdan/md07/1207.html

Anyway, the currently installed Mac OS 8.6's Apple System Profiler reports the 
CPU to be a 333MHz PowerMac G3, the Boot ROM Version as 3.0.f3, and the Mac OS 
ROM File Version as 1.6.  So ... can someone tell me what I might do to get 
Squeeze on here, if at all possible minus having to flash the firmware?


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
 wrote:
> Too slow!

Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.


Cheers,
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RE: Xen vs KVM

[Kostas Psilopoulos]

Just proposing my opinion in this topic.

I'm in favor of XEN especially in use with debian. Most reasons have already 
been discused 
but i'd like to add that xen is type 1 hypervisor. The very nature of Xen is 
completely different than
KVM. It supports the widest variety of operating systems (not that KVM does not 
support them, 
but just comparing their performance...). One thing that might be slight better 
in favor of
KVM is sometimes when the guest OS uses the same kernel with the host. this 
happens because the host 
does not generate everything from scratch (or sth like that). Anyway the 
difference in performance i think is
minor. Everyone should experiment with both virtualization types because both 
Xen and KVM are at least well supported.
The specific needs of the usecase should lead you to the choice to be made!

Best regards! 


> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:55:31 +0800
> From: ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com
> To: aaron.topo...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org; 
> singapore.mr.teo.en.m...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Xen vs KVM
> 
> On 27/03/2012 21:32, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >>> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> >>> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> >>> have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> >>> Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> >>> required).
> >> So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
> >> technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…
> > How is Xen yesterday's virtualization technology? It's fully supported by
> > Citrix XenServer and Oracle VM. Sun used it for the basis of their xVM
> > solution, and Virtual Iron used Xen for the basis of theirs as well (both
> > of whom were purchased by Oracle).
> >
> > Some will say that Xen is more stable than KVM. After being a RHEL and
> > Debian system administrator, and deploying KVM with both the commercial
> > RHEV product, and with libvrt(8) and virt-manager(1), I think I agree. I've
> > had the hypervisor kernel do some wacky stuff with KVM that I haven't seen
> > with Xen. With that said, my heart belongs to KVM, I just wish it had a bit
> > more stability.
> >
> > Xen also has a longer history of 3rd party support, and has had a longer
> > time to mature. It was just recently accepted into the mainline Linux
> > kernel, and still shows very active development. Xen also supports full
> > virtualization and paravirtualization.
> >
> > IMO, Xen isn't "yesterday's virtualization technology". It's very current,
> > stable, flexible, supported and very much "today's virtualization
> > technology".
> >
> > --
> > . o .   o . o   . . o   o . .   . o .
> > . . o   . o o   o . o   . o o   . . o
> > o o o   . o .   . o o   o o .   o o o
> 
> Dear Aaron,
> 
> I agree with you.
> 
> Anyway, I have never used Linux KVM before. I have always supported Xen, 
> since 3 years ago.
> 
> -- 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
> Singapore
> 
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Re: Impressora brother dcp 115C

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:09:50 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

> Wrong list and/or wrong language :-P

Yes to at least one.  ;-)

> Anyway, I can't find that package ("brotber-cups-wrapper-extra") in 
> Debian.

A typo for "brother-cups-wrapper-extra" perhaps?

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

Too slow!

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On 28/03/2012 01:31, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

Sorry about my geographical bias. Freeze around June or july, release perhaps 
between december and april.

/ Johan

"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  skrev:


On 27/03/2012 14:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up!

I would recommend debian testing, wheezy (to become debian 7), even
before it is formally released. I use debian testing (currently
wheezy) as my primary os, and in my experience it is more reliable
than (non-LTS) releases of ubuntu.

It might require more knowledge, but if your aim is defined as
"playing around", I do not think that should be a hindrance.

Advice will vary a lot, and the above is only my personal opinion.

Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer, and I think people
expect a release sometime in late autumn or winter, perhaps early next
year.

Regards

Johan



Dear Johan,

I am living in Singapore, where it is summer all year round. I do not
know when it is summer, autumn or winter. Are you saying Debian 7 will
only be released early next year? So slow!

Btw I am already using Debian testing/wheezy on my Samsung Intel Atom
netbook.

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Re: Re: icedove password problem (Solved)

[Gary Roach]

On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:35:17 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

   

I had to change the password on my verizon email account. Now verizon
email refuses to accept email I send to one of my accounts because the
password Icedove is sending is wrong. How do I go about fixing this.
Preferences ->  Security ->  Saved Passwords displays the passwords for my
other account and my incoming password for the troublesome account but
none for outgoing.
 

You can try to:

1/ Add a new smtp outgoing account with the new password.

2/ Edit the current settings for the account that handles the old
password to force a password reset.

Greetings,

   
Thank you all for your help. The suggestion I liked best was to use the 
addon editor. Alas it doesn't want to work with my 3.0.11 (Squeeze) 
version of Icedove. So, to sum up for posterity:


Edit -> Preferences -> Security -> Passwords -> Saved Passwords
Then select the smtp account and hit remove.
Then;
Edit -> Account Settings
Select the account in question.
Where it says "Outgoing Server", from the drop down' select the one 
*not* marked as default. ( I'm not sure why this is needed but things 
didn't work with the default set.)

Select "Server Settings" for the account in question.
Turn *OFF* "Use secure authentication. (Here again I don't know why this 
is needed but didn't work with it on.)

Now download your email and assign the new password when asked.

I hope this helps someone else.

Gary R.

Re: Xen and Squeeze

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 23:06, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Tom H wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
  wrote:

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.

You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.


Isn't upstream up to 4.1.2 now?




I am using Xen 4.2-unstable already!!!

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Re: Xen and Squeeze

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 22:19, Tom H wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
  wrote:

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.

You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.




Noted.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:


I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40.
Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.


I already have Linux kernel 3.3.0.




When will Debian 7.0 be released?

AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a
feature.


Frozen in June 2012?


Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other
Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want
Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization
(dom0 required).

You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3
(still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current kernel
".config" file.


I always go to kernel.org to get my latest Linux kernels. I have already 
compiled and installed 3.2.11, 3.2.12, 3.2.13, 3.3.0-rc7, and 3.3.0 myself.



Debian developers, please speed up!

Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)


I want it fast!





I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!!

(...)

> From your last posts to the list, nobody would have said it...

Greetings,




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Re: Xen vs KVM

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 21:32, Aaron Toponce wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
required).

So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

How is Xen yesterday's virtualization technology? It's fully supported by
Citrix XenServer and Oracle VM. Sun used it for the basis of their xVM
solution, and Virtual Iron used Xen for the basis of theirs as well (both
of whom were purchased by Oracle).

Some will say that Xen is more stable than KVM. After being a RHEL and
Debian system administrator, and deploying KVM with both the commercial
RHEV product, and with libvrt(8) and virt-manager(1), I think I agree. I've
had the hypervisor kernel do some wacky stuff with KVM that I haven't seen
with Xen. With that said, my heart belongs to KVM, I just wish it had a bit
more stability.

Xen also has a longer history of 3rd party support, and has had a longer
time to mature. It was just recently accepted into the mainline Linux
kernel, and still shows very active development. Xen also supports full
virtualization and paravirtualization.

IMO, Xen isn't "yesterday's virtualization technology". It's very current,
stable, flexible, supported and very much "today's virtualization
technology".

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Dear Aaron,

I agree with you.

Anyway, I have never used Linux KVM before. I have always supported Xen, 
since 3 years ago.


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Re: Question about make-kpkg and versions

[Panayiotis Karabassis]

Thanks! This seems to cover me.

Not much of a terminology, haha, I just had to put the numbers in there
because there are three version substrings in the .deb file of a kernel
package! To the confusion adds the fact that the version of the source
package (now starts with 2.6 even for 3.0+ kernels), the version in the
name of the package and the debian package version are often different!

Regards,
Panayiotis

On 03/27/2012 02:05 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:49:58 -0400 (EDT), Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
>> I am trying to understand how make-kpkg chooses the versions for the
>> packages it creates. Each package has a name(a), which contains a
>> version part(a1), as well as a version(b), which is further split in
>> upstream version(b1) and Debian revision(b2), right? Assuming this, I'll
>> ask my question in the form of a quiz: :-)
> Hello, Panayiotis.  I would start by reviewing "Step 9" in my kernel
> building web page, http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm.
> It doesn't use the same terminology as you do, but maybe it will help
> explain things.  The man page is out of date with respect to the
> default value of --revision, if it is omitted.  The default was changed
> recently to conform with current Debian policy, but the man page is
> out of date.  I suggest that you use the latest version of kernel-package,
> version 12.036+nmu2, plus the patch which I mention at the end of step 6.
> I wouldn't omit --revision if I were you.  I always specify it to match
> the package version of the kernel source package.  Read the web
> page, especially step 9, to get my complete methodology for my kernel
> version and kernel revision naming convention.  You are, of course,
> entitled to do it differently; but this method makes sense to me.
>


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Re: Random grumble to anybody doing translation-work, esp. to norwegian.

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:19:25 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:28:29 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> dijo:
> 
>>On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:19:03 +0200, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
>>
>>> I hate it when "y/N ?" gets translated into "j/N ?", and then the
>>> proggy will not accept "j" as an answer. Only "y".
>>> 
>>> (pertains to norwegian translations).
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Then better contact the norwegian translation team¹ and share your
>>concern with them but I think this is a sort of convention for all the
>>translations teams.
> 
> The problem is not in the translation, but the program. The Norwegian
> version of the program should not just change the menus, but also change
> the code so "j" and "J" are accepted as positive answers.

(...)

The same goes for Spanish ("Y/n" is presented as "S/n"). 

But I guess this is usually specified at the ".po" files (that's why I 
suggested to contact the translation team), there are times when it can 
be translated because the routine will (or is prepare to) accept both 
inputs (English and localized strings) and there are times when only 
English is possible and translators are told to keep it in English ("Y/
n") to avoid misinterpretations by users.
 
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Re: Random grumble to anybody doing translation-work, esp. to norwegian.

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:28:29 + (UTC)
Camaleón  dijo:

>On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:19:03 +0200, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
>
>> I hate it when "y/N ?" gets translated into "j/N ?", and then the
>> proggy will not accept "j" as an answer. Only "y".
>> 
>> (pertains to norwegian translations).
>
>:-)
>
>Then better contact the norwegian translation team¹ and share your 
>concern with them but I think this is a sort of convention for all the 
>translations teams.

The problem is not in the translation, but the program. The Norwegian
version of the program should not just change the menus, but also
change the code so "j" and "J" are accepted as positive answers. 

What should really happen is that all programs should access the
language settings of the computer they are being run on, and there
should be an internal flag so the program will accept the proper input
for the language in use on the computer.

The y/N input is only one of countless places where the language
affects the input. I'll bet if Håkon pokes around in the program more
such problems will surface.


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Re: Impressora brother dcp 115C

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:38:10 +0100, Osvaldo Lourenço wrote:

> por favor, ajudem-me a instalar a impressora Brother DCP 115C no debian.
> Tentei instalar no sudo apt-get install brotber-cups-wrapper-extra,
> quando clico em enter aparece: is not in the sudoers file. Obrigado.

Wrong list and/or wrong language :-P

Anyway, I can't find that package ("brotber-cups-wrapper-extra") in 
Debian.

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Re: simple stand-alone firewall

[Curt]

On 2012-03-24, Charles Kroeger  wrote:
>
> You won't get a 'stealth' rating at grc. Shorewall seems to leave port 0

That's all hooey anyway, that "stealth" business, as if you're some kind
of combat aircraft over an Iranian nuclear installation or something,
prospect which must be attractive to the teenaged mind, I guess, but not
to us adults, right?


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Re: Ext2 bit rot

[Paul E Condon]

On 20120327_065717, Dom wrote:
> On 27/03/12 03:15, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >On 20120326_135131, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >>On 3/26/2012 12:29 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >>
> >>>So how do I turn off ramfs on a wheezy box where it was installed as
> >>>part of the initial net-inst install, and seems to be involved it
> >>>the proper functioning of the file system root ( / ) ???
> >>
> >>You don't "turn off" tmpfs as it's used by other system functions.  You
> >>simply want to mount /tmp on a different (real) filesystem.  As I
> >>mentioned above, try unmounting /tmp and then creating a /tmp with the
> >>permissions I mentioned above.  Then search for the answer to disabling
> >>the system level mount of /tmp on tmpfs.
> 
> This has been mentioned here quite recently.
> 
> Edit /etc/default/rcS.
> 
> At the end of the file you will find this entry:
> 
> # mount /tmp as a tmpfs
> RAMTMP=yes
> 
> Change the "yes" to "no".
> 
> Reboot.
> 
> This will only affect /tmp. There are other entries for the other
> ramfs filesystems, but they take very little memory and so can be as
> they are.
> 
> -- 
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Thanks. It works. I feel much better now.

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Impressora brother dcp 115C

[Osvaldo Lourenço]

por favor, ajudem-me a instalar a impressora Brother DCP 115C no debian.
Tentei instalar no sudo apt-get install brotber-cups-wrapper-extra,
quando clico em enter aparece: is not in the sudoers file.
Obrigado.


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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:01:12 +, Ramon Hofer wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:23:25 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
>> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 12:07:08, Ramon Hofer wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the explanation!
>>> So why didn't they "just" update the version that won't receive any
>>> updates?
>> 
>> The new version changed ABI[1], which means all modules compiled
>> against bpo.1 need to be recompiled for bpo.2.
>> 
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface
> 
> So the ABI is about the same as a module? Like the one I had to compile
> (jme.ko [1]) to get the network up?

Mmm, not quite so although it shares the same essence. 

In brief, to my understanding, kernel ABI helps developers to keep track 
for module changes that need to be recompiled and thus avoiding to 
recompile them all. When that happens, it is exposed by incrementing the 
last number of the package (in this example, "bpo.1" → "bpo.2").

> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg02240.html
> 
> Still I don't understand why that kernel update couldn't trigger the
> recompilation of the new modules.
> Maybe there's a reason why they are held separately?

They are treated as two different packages because they are indeed two 
different packages providing different modules.

What you need to keep the kernel package updated to the latest available 
version in the backports is the kernel metapackage ("linux-image-686-
pae"), as this will trigger the most recent version.

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Re: Xen and Squeeze

[Miles Fidelman]

Tom H wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
  wrote:

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.

You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.


Isn't upstream up to 4.1.2 now?



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Re: how to increase space for tmpfs /tmp

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:13:23 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:51:07AM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:40:12 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:

(...)

>> > To me it's just not possible to provide defaults satisfying all
>> > users.
>> 
>> Of course.
>> 
>> But when something that was working stops doing it my auto-defense
>> system sends me a warn (beep, beep!) and I have to find what have
>> caused the problem. When a default setting is causing the problem then
>> the default is not good for me. When other users complain for the same
>> issue, then the default is neither good for they and it can be a signal
>> for that default is reviewed and commented with other community of
>> users to get more feedback.
> 
> As the person who created these defaults, just a few points for everyone
> in this thread to consider:

Ahem! So it were you... okay, okay... let me a minute so I can sharpen my 
sword >:-) (just kidding).

> The existing defaults are not intended to be universally usable. They
> are intended to work on every system to provide a certain base level of
> functionality.  That being said, improvements are always welcome.  

That's understandable but maybe asking to the Debian community for 
feedback would have been a good idea to see what other users think about 
this, what problems they experience with the chosen default or providing 
additional improvements. I (as a user) already did it so by asking here 
and knowing about other's experience.

> The defaults are intended to work on even systems without swap, so are
> intentionally small:
> 
> /run  RUN_SIZE  10%
> /run/lock LOCK_SIZE  5MiB /run/shm  SHM_SIZE[=TMPFS_SIZE]
> 20%
> /tmp  TMP_SIZE[=TMPFS_SIZE] 20%
> 
> 50%+5MiB
> 

Which is the source of many of the user's problems and complaints.
 
> The intention here is that if every tmpfs is filled, you only commit 50%
> of core memory.  Of course, if you have lots of swap space, you can
> increase these limits massively.  Or you can disable the use of tmpfs
> (except for /run) and use normal filesystems.  The run and lock sizes
> are I think appropriate for all but the most extreme uses. shm and tmp
> are very dependent upon specific application use, and choosing sensible
> defaults here is hard.

I've had no problems at all with "/run" and "/run/lock" and still keep 
them using the default settings (tmpfs). With "/tmp" is another story.

(...)
 
> Regarding the use of /tmp on tmpfs being the default.  I still think
> that tmpfs makes sense for /tmp.  It is certainly appropriate for many
> users.  We can certainly improve the defaults if we understand what
> problems users are having.  But they need to be reported.

I already gave my POV on this. Having a "tmpfs" for "/tmp" can be a good 
default as long as it accomodates the space properly. That is, I will 
never give 100 MiB to /tmp, that's simply crazy for a system with 250 GiB 
of hard disk space as any simple operating that uses /tmp will crash at 
the middle of the run.
 
> A common (and very persuasive) argument for not mounting a tmpfs on /tmp
> and instead using the root filesystem is that by default we install with
> a single large root filesystem, and /tmp gets to use all the free space
> there.  This is certainly true, and is a major reason why we should
> consider doing this.  

I also share that feeling.

> However, the following points also need to be considered:
> 
> - having /tmp on / means that / needs to be writable by default 
> - having "limitless" space on /tmp means it can be abused by
>   both users and applications.  It can lead to breakage on systems with
>   a limited /tmp if applications make the (incorrect) assumption that
>   they can store whatever they like there.  It's more sensible to
>   provide a minimum guarantee.
> - /var/tmp exists, and should be used in many of the cases where
>   /tmp is being filled.
> 
> It's hard to get a clear picture of what generally useful defaults
> should be when you only get feedback from a handful of users.

IMO, the rule of thumb for applying a new default is asking ourselves if 
the new default will cause any problem to the users. If yes, then don't 
touch the old default and keep it the way it was. If we are not going to 
get any improvement but just for the 10% of our user-base, then we are 
failing the 90% of the rest.

> What should the minimum space be for /tmp? What is the minimum space an
> individual user or application should be able to use?
> Should certain applications be patched not to use /tmp for storing
> "excessively large" files?
> etc.

First questions that need to be asked (in this order) would be:

- Should we need to set tmpfs as default for /tmp?
- If yes, what could be the default size? Going to the limits or keep it 
small and handy?

> These are obviously not questions with straig

Re: archive.debian.org/debian down?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:36:04 +, reyesgustavo wrote:

> Hello list.

Hello, please, avoig using html, thanks.

> I was just wondering what happend to archive.debian.org.

Nothing? :-?

sm01@stt008:~$ LANG=C wget archive.debian.org
--2012-03-27 16:20:32--  http://archive.debian.org/
Resolving archive.debian.org... 193.62.202.28, 206.12.19.13, 
2001:630:206:4000:1a1a:0:c13e:ca1c, ...
Connecting to archive.debian.org|193.62.202.28|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 2367 (2.3K) [text/html]
Saving to: `index.html.1'

100%[>] 2,367   --.-K/s   in 0s 
 

2012-03-27 16:20:32 (289 MB/s) - `index.html' saved [2367/2367]

> Many of my systems run in Debian 5 (lenny), some old in etch. I know i
> should upgrade to squeeze but on my case thats not an option, because of
> the tweaks made.

I'm also still using Lenny.

> In any case, since from yesterday midnight all the lenny repositories
> have been deleted, and archive.debian.org is not working, anyone knows
> where i can find official repositories?

There was a recent news about that:

***
http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120310

"(...) Please note that the oldstable distribution will be moved from the 
main archive to the archive.debian.org repository after March 24th 2012. 
After this move, it will no longer be available from the main mirror 
network. More information about the distribution archive and a list of 
mirrors is available at:
http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive 
***

But the archive site seems to be up and running :-?

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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Tom H]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
 wrote:
> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
>> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
>
> You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
> the Xen bits though.

You don't *need* backports. linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64,
xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64, and xen-utils-4.0 will do. It's Ubuntu that
doesn't have precompiled dom0 support.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
> all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40. 
Anyway, there's a kernel 3.2 available in the backports.
 
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? 

AFAIK, it will be frozen in ~June, released... nobody knows, that's a 
feature.

> Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other
> Linux distros already have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want
> Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization
> (dom0 required).

You can go to "www.kernel.org", download the greatest and latest 3.3 
(still in devel branch) and compile by yourself using your current kernel 
".config" file.

> Debian developers, please speed up! 

Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)

> I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! 

(...)

>From your last posts to the list, nobody would have said it...

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Re: icedove password problem

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:35:17 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

> I had to change the password on my verizon email account. Now verizon
> email refuses to accept email I send to one of my accounts because the
> password Icedove is sending is wrong. How do I go about fixing this.
> Preferences -> Security -> Saved Passwords displays the passwords for my
> other account and my incoming password for the troublesome account but
> none for outgoing.

You can try to:

1/ Add a new smtp outgoing account with the new password.

2/ Edit the current settings for the account that handles the old 
password to force a password reset.

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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Ramon Hofer]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:23:25 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 12:07:08, Ramon Hofer wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the explanation!
>> So why didn't they "just" update the version that won't receive any
>> updates?
> 
> The new version changed ABI[1], which means all modules compiled against
> bpo.1 need to be recompiled for bpo.2.
> 
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface

So the ABI is about the same as a module? Like the one I had to compile 
(jme.ko [1]) to get the network up?

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg02240.html

Still I don't understand why that kernel update couldn't trigger the 
recompilation of the new modules.
Maybe there's a reason why they are held separately?


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Re: wheezy: ERROR: could not insert 'zram': No such file or directory

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:42:59 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

> cannot load zram using modprobe (worked in the past), but insmod works:
> 
> blackbox:~# modprobe zram
> ERROR: could not insert 'zram': No such file or directory 

It works fine here (wheezy).

Is there something useful registered in dmesg?

> blackbox:~# uname -a
> Linux blackbox 3.2.0-2-686-pae #1 SMP Tue Mar 20 19:48:26 UTC 2012 i686 
> GNU/Linux
> blackbox:~# find /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-686-pae/ -name zram.ko 
> /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
> blackbox:~# insmod 
> /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko 
> zram_num_devices=2 
> blackbox:~#
>
> Did anything in this area change recently? If not, what could be broken?

Are you running from the same kernel where the module has been built/compiled?

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Xen vs KVM (was: Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Aaron Toponce]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> > When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> > release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> > have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> > Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> > required).
>
> So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
> technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

How is Xen yesterday's virtualization technology? It's fully supported by
Citrix XenServer and Oracle VM. Sun used it for the basis of their xVM
solution, and Virtual Iron used Xen for the basis of theirs as well (both
of whom were purchased by Oracle).

Some will say that Xen is more stable than KVM. After being a RHEL and
Debian system administrator, and deploying KVM with both the commercial
RHEV product, and with libvrt(8) and virt-manager(1), I think I agree. I've
had the hypervisor kernel do some wacky stuff with KVM that I haven't seen
with Xen. With that said, my heart belongs to KVM, I just wish it had a bit
more stability.

Xen also has a longer history of 3rd party support, and has had a longer
time to mature. It was just recently accepted into the mainline Linux
kernel, and still shows very active development. Xen also supports full
virtualization and paravirtualization.

IMO, Xen isn't "yesterday's virtualization technology". It's very current,
stable, flexible, supported and very much "today's virtualization
technology".

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Re: Random grumble to anybody doing translation-work, esp. to norwegian.

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:19:03 +0200, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:

> I hate it when "y/N ?" gets translated into "j/N ?", and then the proggy
> will not accept "j" as an answer. Only "y".
> 
> (pertains to norwegian translations).

:-)

Then better contact the norwegian translation team¹ and share your 
concern with them but I think this is a sort of convention for all the 
translations teams.

¹http://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian

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Re: how to increase space for tmpfs /tmp

[Roger Leigh]

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:51:07AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:40:12 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>  You may also consider filing a bug, since the more people report
>  problems with Debian's new, absurdly small /tmp, the more likely it
>  is to get fixed.
> >> +5
> >>> Why?
> >> Because the default is giving some headaches to the users?
> > How many?  Or how many would you consider critical mass to make things
> > change?
> > To me it's just not possible to provide defaults satisfying all users.
> 
> Of course. 
> 
> But when something that was working stops doing it my auto-defense system 
> sends me a warn (beep, beep!) and I have to find what have caused the 
> problem. When a default setting is causing the problem then the default 
> is not good for me. When other users complain for the same issue, then 
> the default is neither good for they and it can be a signal for that 
> default is reviewed and commented with other community of users to get 
> more feedback.

As the person who created these defaults, just a few points for
everyone in this thread to consider:

The existing defaults are not intended to be universally usable.
They are intended to work on every system to provide a certain
base level of functionality.  That being said, improvements are
always welcome.  The defaults are intended to work on even
systems without swap, so are intentionally small:

/run  RUN_SIZE  10%
/run/lock LOCK_SIZE  5MiB
/run/shm  SHM_SIZE[=TMPFS_SIZE] 20%
/tmp  TMP_SIZE[=TMPFS_SIZE] 20%

50%+5MiB


The intention here is that if every tmpfs is filled, you only commit
50% of core memory.  Of course, if you have lots of swap space, you
can increase these limits massively.  Or you can disable the use of
tmpfs (except for /run) and use normal filesystems.  The run and lock
sizes are I think appropriate for all but the most extreme uses.
shm and tmp are very dependent upon specific application use, and
choosing sensible defaults here is hard.

Regarding altering of the size limits: currently hardcoded in
/lib/init/tmpfs.sh.  We could compute these dynamically if we
know at the time how much swap is additionally available.  Or
have different profiles depending upon expected usage.

Regarding the use of /tmp on tmpfs being the default.  I still
think that tmpfs makes sense for /tmp.  It is certainly appropriate
for many users.  We can certainly improve the defaults if we
understand what problems users are having.  But they need to be
reported.

A common (and very persuasive) argument for not mounting a tmpfs
on /tmp and instead using the root filesystem is that by default
we install with a single large root filesystem, and /tmp gets to
use all the free space there.  This is certainly true, and is a
major reason why we should consider doing this.  However, the
following points also need to be considered:

- having /tmp on / means that / needs to be writable by default
- having "limitless" space on /tmp means it can be abused by
  both users and applications.  It can lead to breakage on
  systems with a limited /tmp if applications make the
  (incorrect) assumption that they can store whatever they like
  there.  It's more sensible to provide a minimum guarantee.
- /var/tmp exists, and should be used in many of the cases where
  /tmp is being filled.

It's hard to get a clear picture of what generally useful defaults
should be when you only get feedback from a handful of users.

What should the minimum space be for /tmp?
What is the minimum space an individual user or application should
be able to use?
Should certain applications be patched not to use /tmp for
storing "excessively large" files?
etc.

These are obviously not questions with straightforward answers.
But I hope they do help to provide some understanding as to why
simply not using tmpfs on /tmp is not necessarily the "right" or
best long-term strategy.  This definitely needs more thought, but
it also needs a greater understanding of what users and applications
expect /tmp to provide.

Investigating what other init systems and distributions do might be
instructive here.

When we introduced these defaults, we wanted to make them configurable
directly in the installer, by making tmpfs mounts editable in the
partitioner (or removed entirely).  I'd still like to do this, but it
needs someone with the time to add tmpfs filesystem support to d-i.  I
took a look a few months back, but lacked the time or d-i expertise to
do this.

[There are prior discussions of this on -devel, which probably
include more detail and other things I unintentionally omitted.]


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Roger

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[Håkon Alstadheim]

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will not accept "j" as an answer. Only "y".


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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 12:07:08, Ramon Hofer wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the explanation!
> So why didn't they "just" update the version that won't receive any 
> updates?

The new version changed ABI[1], which means all modules compiled against 
bpo.1 need to be recompiled for bpo.2.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface

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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 20:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.

Kind regards,
Andrei
I am already using the latest Linux Kernel 3.3.0 with Xen dom0 and domU 
support all compiled in.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 19:44, steef wrote:


hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much 
from the new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.


reg.,

steef




Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As 
we all

know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x 
release seems

very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest Linux
Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play 
around with

Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! 
I am
already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 GHz 
netbook,

with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Thank you very much.





Dear steef,

There is a difference. Old Linux kernel 2.6 does not support Xen 
virtualization dom0 unless specially patched. Linux 3.0 comes with both 
Xen dom0 and domU support out-of-the-box.


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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Ramon Hofer]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:00:55 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 10:45:27, Ramon Hofer wrote:
>> 
>> I was just thinking if it would be better to switch from linux-
>> image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae on another machine to linux-
>> image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae?
>> But maybe the difference isn't immense so I probably shouldn't change
>> the running system :-)
> 
> The bpo.1 is likely to disappear from backports very soon and not
> receive any security support as of the point bpo.2 was uploaded (the
> Kernel Team can't support more than one version in backports).

Thanks for the explanation!
So why didn't they "just" update the version that won't receive any 
updates?


Best regards
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Re: archive.debian.org/debian down?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 09:36:04, reyesgust...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello list.
> 
> I was just wondering what happend to archive.debian.org.

Works for me. Maybe just a temporary problem?

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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> 
> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.

You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has 
the Xen bits though.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[steef]

hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much from the 
new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.


reg.,

steef




Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:

Hi,

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we all
know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems
very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest Linux
Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play around with
Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!! I am
already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6 GHz netbook,
with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Thank you very much.




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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 27 mar 12, 10:45:27, Ramon Hofer wrote:
> 
> I was just thinking if it would be better to switch from linux-
> image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae on another machine to linux-
> image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae?
> But maybe the difference isn't immense so I probably shouldn't change the 
> running system :-)

The bpo.1 is likely to disappear from backports very soon and not 
receive any security support as of the point bpo.2 was uploaded (the 
Kernel Team can't support more than one version in backports).

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Joe]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
> we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
> 
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have
> the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
> I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
> 
> Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian Linux!!!
> I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom N455 1.6
> GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.
> 

So why do you care when wheezy is officially declared released? Nothing
dramatic will happen to it on that day.

You may not be aware that the released version of Debian is called
Stable. The reason for that is that the software does not change for
any reason other than to fix security bugs (well, nearly).

So once wheezy is frozen, that's it. No new software. And it will be
released when, in the opinion of the developers, it is ready for
production use in arbitrarily large organisations and public-facing
Internet servers. Debian isn't a toy, and it isn't Windows. It won't be
released while any serious bugs are known to remain unfixed.

If you would like to help speed up release, then you can help get rid
of the last thousand or so bugs, as documented here:

http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

After the freeze, that green line has to go down fairly close to zero.
It will rise before it falls, as less well-tested software will be
pushed from Unstable into wheezy just ahead of the freeze.

Now, if it's 'play' you want, the latest and buggiest software, then
Debian Stable is not for you. You want Unstable, permanently known as
sid. It breaks badly occasionally, and at any time a few minor parts are
always broken, but that's the price of using the newest software. You
can also help here with the next release, by reporting the bits that
break when you try to use them, speeding up their transition into the
current Testing distribution.

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Re: Question about make-kpkg and versions

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:49:58 -0400 (EDT), Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
> 
> I am trying to understand how make-kpkg chooses the versions for the
> packages it creates. Each package has a name(a), which contains a
> version part(a1), as well as a version(b), which is further split in
> upstream version(b1) and Debian revision(b2), right? Assuming this, I'll
> ask my question in the form of a quiz: :-)

Hello, Panayiotis.  I would start by reviewing "Step 9" in my kernel
building web page, http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm.
It doesn't use the same terminology as you do, but maybe it will help
explain things.  The man page is out of date with respect to the
default value of --revision, if it is omitted.  The default was changed
recently to conform with current Debian policy, but the man page is
out of date.  I suggest that you use the latest version of kernel-package,
version 12.036+nmu2, plus the patch which I mention at the end of step 6.
I wouldn't omit --revision if I were you.  I always specify it to match
the package version of the kernel source package.  Read the web
page, especially step 9, to get my complete methodology for my kernel
version and kernel revision naming convention.  You are, of course,
entitled to do it differently; but this method makes sense to me.

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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 16:51, Jon Dowland wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
2.6.

The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.


When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
required).

So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

Besides, the 2.6 series kernels in 6.0 carry the Xen patches, e.g.



Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian
Linux!!! I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom
N455 1.6 GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Perhaps you could help?



Dear Jon,

libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors. 
They are virtualization management tools.


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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 15:17, didier gaumet wrote:

Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  a écrit :

[...]

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

[...]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel than the
squeeze stock kernel. Take a look at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
and particularly:
  http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Note_on_kernel_version_compatibility




Dear didier,

Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel 2.6 in 
Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.


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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)]

On 27/03/2012 14:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:

I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.

Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).

Debian developers, please speed up!


I would recommend debian testing, wheezy (to become debian 7), even 
before it is formally released. I use debian testing (currently 
wheezy) as my primary os, and in my experience it is more reliable 
than (non-LTS) releases of ubuntu.


It might require more knowledge, but if your aim is defined as 
"playing around", I do not think that should be a hindrance.


Advice will vary a lot, and the above is only my personal opinion.

Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer, and I think people 
expect a release sometime in late autumn or winter, perhaps early next 
year.


Regards

Johan



Dear Johan,

I am living in Singapore, where it is summer all year round. I do not 
know when it is summer, autumn or winter. Are you saying Debian 7 will 
only be released early next year? So slow!


Btw I am already using Debian testing/wheezy on my Samsung Intel Atom 
netbook.


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Question about make-kpkg and versions

[Panayiotis Karabassis]

Hi,

I am trying to understand how make-kpkg chooses the versions for the
packages it creates. Each package has a name(a), which contains a
version part(a1), as well as a version(b), which is further split in
upstream version(b1) and Debian revision(b2), right? Assuming this, I'll
ask my question in the form of a quiz: :-)

1) The Makefile contains the three components of the upstream version,
as well as an EXTRA_VERSION string. Together these define the package
name(a). The make-kpkg replaces or appends the value of
--append-to-version to the EXTRA_VERSION string?
2) When I specify a --revision argument, this becomes the package's
complete version(b). The man pages mention that the default value is
10.00.Custom. However if I omit the --revision argument the version is
of the form 3.2.12-10.00.Custom, i.e. it includes the Makefile version,
and not 10.00.Custom. Is this an error in the manual?
3) When I omit the --revision argument how is the upstream version(b1)
calculated? In particular is the --append-to-version string included in
the version(b1), or only the EXTRA_VERSION string in the Makefile?
4) Finally does dpkg-buildpackage invoke make-kpkg or does it use it's
own mechanisms?

Thanks and best regards,
Panayiotis


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Re: Apt-pinning confusion

[Ramon Hofer]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:40:47 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:59:42 +, Ramon Hofer wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:07:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
>  
>> Btw what's the difference between linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae and
>> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae and why are both in the backports
>> repos. I was looking at packages.debian.org but couldn't find any
>> explenation. Is there a place where I could find more infos?
> 
> AFAICT, the last number in ".bpo.1"/".bpo.2" indicates a revision. A
> higher number means is the latest one.
> 
> More info:
> 
> 5.6.12 Version
> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html

Thanks for the info!

I was just thinking if it would be better to switch from linux-
image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae on another machine to linux-
image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae?
But maybe the difference isn't immense so I probably shouldn't change the 
running system :-)


Best regards
Ramon


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archive.debian.org/debian down?

[reyesgustavo]

Hello list.

I was just wondering what happend to archive.debian.org.

Many of my systems run in Debian 5 (lenny), some old in etch. I know i  
should upgrade to squeeze but on my case thats not an option, because of  
the tweaks made.


In any case, since from yesterday midnight all the lenny repositories have  
been deleted, and archive.debian.org is not working, anyone knows where i  
can find official repositories?


Much appreciated, Gus.

Re: aptitude failure to fetch

[Keith McKenzie]

On 27/03/12 07:50, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Suits in Debian are oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimental
and components/areas are main, contrib, non-free, but derivatives may
have others. Very simply put, suits are about versions, components about
types of software. Releases also have codenames (except experimental).

[1] experimental and unstable/sid are actually never released

Hope this explains,
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Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?

[Jon Dowland]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
> As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
> 2.6.

The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.

> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> have the latest Linux Kernel 3.x. Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x?
> Because I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0
> required).

So you want a cutting-edge kernel to play with yesterday's virtualisation
technology? The mind boggles!  Debian 6.0 has KVM, libvirt, virt-manager…

Besides, the 2.6 series kernels in 6.0 carry the Xen patches, e.g.


> Debian developers, please speed up! I love Ubuntu and Debian
> Linux!!! I am already using Debian wheezy with my Samsung Intel Atom
> N455 1.6 GHz netbook, with Shorewall Firewall configuration.

Perhaps you could help? 


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Re: Xen and Squeeze (was: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

[didier gaumet]

Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)"  a écrit :

[...]
> Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
> I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
[...]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel than the
squeeze stock kernel. Take a look at:
 http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
and particularly:
 http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Note_on_kernel_version_compatibility



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Re: Sudoers

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

Antispammbox-debian  wrote:
I use some utility like TrueCrypt and gmountiso that using sudo.

I've added myself to the group sudo:
sudo adduser myself


This does not achieve what you want:

usermod -a -G sudo $user
newgrp sudo $user

change "$user" for your user name.



That creates a new user called "myself". It does not add anyone to the
"sudo" group.


and modified with nano visudo, the sudoers file.
username ALL=(ALL)  NOPASSWD:ALL


I wouldn't recommend this, you are allowing "username" to execute any 
command from any location with sudo and without password. This is a 
security breach !


If you want members of the group "sudo" to be able to use sudo add:

sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL

Then if you want to grant execution of a SPECIFIC command with sudo 
without a password then add it to the sudoers file:


$user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/somecommand --someoption,

Better you can create "Comnd_Alias" with a list of commands. Maybe look 
into the "exempt_group" option, by creating a special group for the 
users you want to be able to run sudo without password.


But IMHO, tinkering with sudo without reading "man sudoers" to grant all 
privileges to some random app seems like a very bad idea to start with...






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