date:20120629

El Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:34:16 -0500, andres lozano escribió:

 hola. cordial saludo

Hola.

Intenta enviar mensajes con formato en etxto plano en lugar de html que 
se leen muy mal, gracias html :-)

 tengo la inquietud sobre la instalación de debian
 
 soy usuario de ubuntu, pero ahora quiero probar el sistema operativo
 debian desde hace ya casi un año
 
 nunca he podido instalarlo

Caray...

 lo primero es que me dice es que se debe instalar el controlador
 rtl_niclrtl8168d-1fw y le doy q descargarlo con la memoria insertada y
 no descarga, como no me descarga en la memoria decido por no instalarlo

Bueno, lo primero que tienes que hacer antes de instalar un sistema 
operativo es comprobar si tu hardware está soportado. 

Si tu tarjeta de red necesita un firmware determinado tendrás que 
cargarlo manualmente durante la instalación o bajar el DVD e instalar sin 
conexión a la red e instalar después el firmware, una vez instalado el 
sistema.

Tienes más información sobre el tema de los controladores en esta página:

http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware/

 como decido no instalar el controlador porque no se descarga, entonces
 continuo con la instalación y en el momento del particionado cuando
 analiza el disco siempre queda en el 50% y no me deja continuar.

Cando te pase eso, salta a una consola de depuración para ver qué mensaje 
te aparece. Todo esto aparece indicado en la Guía de Instalación de 
Debian:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.es

 he probado la instalación texto, gráfica y live cd y nada. también con
 arquitectura 1386 y amd64 y tampoco. siempre se bloquea en el 50% del
 particionado (la instalación la hago a travez de un pendrive)

Aunque lo ideal sería que informaras de este problema, puedes probar a 
particionar el disco antes de instalar Debian, por ejemplo desde la 
versión LiveCD de Gparted, así te podrás saltar ese paso e indicar 
directamente los puntos de montaje que quieres usar.

 quisiera saber que hago mal o porque no me deja instalarlo, en el modo
 livecd si puedo usarlo, pero para instalarlo nada, no me lees los discos
 para el particionado

(...)

Para saber por dónde te puede venir el problema tendrías que ver los 
registros desde la consola, para ver por qué se queda colgado en ese 
punto en concreto de la instalación.

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Re: instalacion de debian

2012-06-29 Thread Orlando Nuñez

El 29 de junio de 2012 08:53, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:34:16 -0500, andres lozano escribió:

  hola. cordial saludo

 Hola.

 Intenta enviar mensajes con formato en etxto plano en lugar de html que
 se leen muy mal, gracias html :-)

  tengo la inquietud sobre la instalación de debian
 
  soy usuario de ubuntu, pero ahora quiero probar el sistema operativo
  debian desde hace ya casi un año
 
  nunca he podido instalarlo

 Caray...

  lo primero es que me dice es que se debe instalar el controlador
  rtl_niclrtl8168d-1fw y le doy q descargarlo con la memoria insertada y
  no descarga, como no me descarga en la memoria decido por no instalarlo

 Bueno, lo primero que tienes que hacer antes de instalar un sistema
 operativo es comprobar si tu hardware está soportado.

 Si tu tarjeta de red necesita un firmware determinado tendrás que
 cargarlo manualmente durante la instalación o bajar el DVD e instalar sin
 conexión a la red e instalar después el firmware, una vez instalado el
 sistema.

 Tienes más información sobre el tema de los controladores en esta página:

 http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware/

  como decido no instalar el controlador porque no se descarga, entonces
  continuo con la instalación y en el momento del particionado cuando
  analiza el disco siempre queda en el 50% y no me deja continuar.

 Cando te pase eso, salta a una consola de depuración para ver qué mensaje
 te aparece. Todo esto aparece indicado en la Guía de Instalación de
 Debian:

 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.es

  he probado la instalación texto, gráfica y live cd y nada. también con
  arquitectura 1386 y amd64 y tampoco. siempre se bloquea en el 50% del
  particionado (la instalación la hago a travez de un pendrive)

 Aunque lo ideal sería que informaras de este problema, puedes probar a
 particionar el disco antes de instalar Debian, por ejemplo desde la
 versión LiveCD de Gparted, así te podrás saltar ese paso e indicar
 directamente los puntos de montaje que quieres usar.

  quisiera saber que hago mal o porque no me deja instalarlo, en el modo
  livecd si puedo usarlo, pero para instalarlo nada, no me lees los discos
  para el particionado

 (...)

 Para saber por dónde te puede venir el problema tendrías que ver los
 registros desde la consola, para ver por qué se queda colgado en ese
 punto en concreto de la instalación.

 Saludos,

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Saludos


Por si te interesa, hay una version de Linux Mint basada en Debian
inestable,
llamada Linux Mint Debian Edition, me gusta mucho, es la que actualmente
utilizo en mi computador y me detecto todo sin problemas, puedes descargarla
desde este enlace http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php/


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Re: Resolución monitor

El Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:24:09 -0500, danilo gonzalez escribió:

 Ya hice la instalación (de nuevo) desde backports, pero igual sigue
 cargado VESA, supongo que debe ser por el núcleo. El punto es que no se
 que núcleo instalar

Danilo, ya te comenté en otro mensaje los paquetes que tienes que 
instalar, que básicamente son dos: el kernel (el más actualizado) y el 
driver de Intel de Xorg.

Dado que los drivers de Intel usan el modo KMS (van emparejados con el 
kernel), sin un kernel actualizado no te va a funcionar correctamente la 
tarjeta que tienes.

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Re: Portátil con Wheezy no se apaga

El Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:20:55 -0300, Walter O. Dari escribió:

 Por donde puedo empezar a mirar para ver por qué cuando voy al Menú,
 elijo Salir y Apagar la notebook no se apaga, aparece la ventanita que
 dice el equipo se apagará en 30 segundos, confirmo el apagado y ni
 siquiera cierra los programas activos, es como si no hubiera hecho nada.
 
 Alguna vez tuve ese problema con Squeeze pero se solucionó seguramente
 con alguna actualización.
 
 El escritorio que uso es KDE 4.7.4, la portátil una Lenovo pero no creo
 que sea relevante.

Mira a ver si tienes alguna versión de la BIOS nueva disponible para tu 
portátil.

¿Has probado a cerrar la sesión desde KDE y apagar el equipo directamente 
desde KDM?

 Si cargo una consola, con  shutdown 0 -h  apaga sin problemas.

Eso parece apuntar a un problema con el DE y seguramente la gestión de 
energía. Si tienes instalado otro entorno distinto de KDE, ¿se apaga bien 
cuando inicias sesión desde ahí?

 Estuve buscando pero no encuentro exactamente mi problema.

Google encuentra problemas similares:

http://bit.ly/NWK3oX

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Re: Portátil con Wheezy no se apaga

2012-06-29 Thread Walter O. Dari


Hola Edwin...

On 29/06/12 02:24, Edwin Carrillo wrote:

Una solución sencilla para no dar tantas vueltas mientras buscas que
es lo que pasa con el menu de KDE es create un lanzador con la misma
orden o con init 0 y lo ejecutas.


Lo voy a tener en cuenta, pero antes voy a tratar de que funcione desde 
los botones del menú.


Gracias !



Saludos

El día 29 de junio de 2012 00:20, Walter O. Dariwlin...@gmail.com  escribió:

Hola gente:

Por donde puedo empezar a mirar para ver por qué cuando voy al Menú, elijo
Salir y Apagar la notebook no se apaga, aparece la ventanita que dice el
equipo se apagará en 30 segundos, confirmo el apagado y ni siquiera cierra
los programas activos, es como si no hubiera hecho nada.

Alguna vez tuve ese problema con Squeeze pero se solucionó seguramente con
alguna actualización.

El escritorio que uso es KDE 4.7.4, la portátil una Lenovo pero no creo que
sea relevante.

Si cargo una consola, con  shutdown 0 -h  apaga sin problemas.

Estuve buscando pero no encuentro exactamente mi problema.



Saludos,
Walter

http://swcomputacion.com/


Walter


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Re: Portátil con Wheezy no se apaga

2012-06-29 Thread Walter O. Dari


Hola...

On 29/06/12 10:35, Camaleón wrote:

El Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:20:55 -0300, Walter O. Dari escribió:


Por donde puedo empezar a mirar para ver por qué cuando voy al Menú,
elijo Salir y Apagar la notebook no se apaga, aparece la ventanita que
dice el equipo se apagará en 30 segundos, confirmo el apagado y ni
siquiera cierra los programas activos, es como si no hubiera hecho nada.

Alguna vez tuve ese problema con Squeeze pero se solucionó seguramente
con alguna actualización.

El escritorio que uso es KDE 4.7.4, la portátil una Lenovo pero no creo
que sea relevante.


Mira a ver si tienes alguna versión de la BIOS nueva disponible para tu
portátil.


Revisaré eso, pero antes apagaba bien, dejó de hacerlo seguramente 
después de alguna actualización.

Omití decir que tampoco reinicia, salvo a mano.


¿Has probado a cerrar la sesión desde KDE y apagar el equipo directamente
desde KDM?


mmm... creo haberlo hecho alguna vez, pero lo voy a comprobar.


Si cargo una consola, con  shutdown 0 -h  apaga sin problemas.


Eso parece apuntar a un problema con el DE y seguramente la gestión de
energía. Si tienes instalado otro entorno distinto de KDE, ¿se apaga bien
cuando inicias sesión desde ahí?


Podría instalar LXDE y ver... qué es el DE ? (y disculpas por la ignorancia)


Estuve buscando pero no encuentro exactamente mi problema.


Google encuentra problemas similares:

http://bit.ly/NWK3oX


Voy a mirar lo que dices, yo había hecho las búsquedas en español.

Ni bien termine de actualizar la notebook voy a probar estas cosas y 
comento, está descargando como 400 y pico paquetes.





Saludos,



Igualmente,
Walter


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Fwd: instalacion de debian

2012-06-29 Thread frederit mogollon

Hola Andrés.

Yo tengo instalado Debian Squeeze en una laptop Síragon con procesador
Intel celeron 1,6 GHz, 512 MB RAM, tarjeta gráfica VIA, y tarjeta
inalámbrica realtek con chip rtl8187L.

La instalación la hice hace casi 1 año, desde una imagen netinstall vía usb.
Es importante que primero hagas un particionado previo del disco duro.
Esto lo puedes hacer conectando el disco duro mediante cable usb a
otro computador, o utlizando un livecd de alguna distro GNU/Linux que
use paquetes .deb (tipo Ubuntu) mediante la aplicación GParted.
Luego arrancas desde el usb o el CD/DVD de Debian. Se recomienda,
sobre todo si la instalación es desde una netinstall, conectar a
internet vía cable de red. lee la documentación de Debian, para saber
si el kernel ya soporta ese controlador. Si es así sólo tienes que
cargar el módulo. Por ejemplo, mi controlador era soportado por el
kernel 2.6.32 (que uso actualmente), así que luego de instalar el
sistema sólo le indique al sistema vía terminal como root, con el
comando modprobe rtl8187 para cargar el módulo respectivo.
Luego sólo queda actualizar la lista de repositorios, instalar las
aplicaciones necesarias/deseadas y a disfrutar. El sistema es
exquisitamente hermoso y estable.

Vale recordar que en ese momento Camaleón, entre otras personas no
menos importantes, me ayudaron bastante y me dieron luces.

Espero con éstas palabras puedas instalar el Debian.

Saludos

fdm

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Actualizar kernel 2.6 a 3.4 en Debian

2012-06-29 Thread cosme

Hola

Como es posible actualizar el kernel de mi PC con Debian squeeze que tiene
el kernel 2.6.32 al 3.4.4

Tengo el compactado linux-3.4.4.tar.bz2


Salu2
Cosme




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Re: iptables asesoramiento

2012-06-29 Thread Gonzalo Rivero

El vie, 29-06-2012 a las 13:23 +0200, M.Vila escribió: 
 
 En 29/06/12 01:29, Alberto Benítez escribiu:
  El día 28 de junio de 2012 15:49, Juan Lavierijlavi...@gmail.com  
  escribió:
  Hola
 
  El 28/06/12 09:53, M.Vila escribió:
 
  Hola:
  Ando buscando recomendación para la configuración de iptables, para un pc
  personal.
  He visto diversas configuraciones y no me decido ni entiendo la eficacia
  de cada una. Normalmente los tutoriales con un drop all estan 
  orientados a
  servers y no tengo muy claro que sea lo mejor para mi.
  Habitualmente salgo por squid, ¿es posible no tener que modificar la
  configuración?
 
  Yo te recomendaqría que instalaras firestarter
 
  http://www.fs-security.com/
 
  Es bastante amigable, sencillo de usar y fácil de configurar.  Además
  OpenSource y basado en iptables.
 
  Un saudo.
 
  No se qué es eso pero mando dos.
 
 
 
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  Creo que lo mejor es que lo entiendas e intentes hacer tus propias
  reglas, puede llegar a ser bastante complejo pero es muy util
 
 
 
 
 Mi idea es ir aprendiendo progresivamente. Ya he trasteado con su uso, 
 pero por ahora me parece una herramienta demasiado potente. Yo por lo 
 que veo hay diversas formas de hacer los filtrados, que radican sobre 
 todo en criterios personales. Me podéis recomendar algún manual que a 
 vuestro parecer fije, limpie y de esplendor.
 Graciasmil.
 
 
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto
en el orden que están ahí



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Re: Portátil con Wheezy no se apaga

El Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:54:36 -0300, Walter O. Dari escribió:

 On 29/06/12 10:35, Camaleón wrote:

 Mira a ver si tienes alguna versión de la BIOS nueva disponible para tu
 portátil.
 
 Revisaré eso, pero antes apagaba bien, dejó de hacerlo seguramente
 después de alguna actualización.
 Omití decir que tampoco reinicia, salvo a mano.

Lo de la BIOS ayuda en algunas ocasiones con estos problemas, pero bueno, 
la verdad es que es raro que sí puedas apagar ejecutando manualmente la 
orden, si fuera un problema de la gestión de energía por parte de la BIOS 
seguramente también te fallaría el shutdown.

 ¿Has probado a cerrar la sesión desde KDE y apagar el equipo
 directamente desde KDM?
 
 mmm... creo haberlo hecho alguna vez, pero lo voy a comprobar.

Para descartar que no se quede enganchado algún proceso que se esté 
ejecutando en tu sesión y que por eso no pueda apagar.

Y ahora que lo digo... en GNOME (wheezy) cuando apago veo un mensaje en 
pantalla que dice que un servicio ha fallado (failed) pero no dice cuál. 
Esto me pasa desde hace pocos días, aunque al final apague bien.

 Si cargo una consola, con  shutdown 0 -h  apaga sin problemas.

 Eso parece apuntar a un problema con el DE y seguramente la gestión de
 energía. Si tienes instalado otro entorno distinto de KDE, ¿se apaga
 bien cuando inicias sesión desde ahí?
 
 Podría instalar LXDE y ver... qué es el DE ? (y disculpas por la
 ignorancia)

DE es un acrónimo de Desktop Environment o entorno de escritorio. Mal 
hecho por mi parte usarlo, no soy amiga de las palabritas cortas porque 
confunden más que ayudan.

 Estuve buscando pero no encuentro exactamente mi problema.

 Google encuentra problemas similares:

 http://bit.ly/NWK3oX
 
 Voy a mirar lo que dices, yo había hecho las búsquedas en español.

Siempre digo que la informática habla inglés ;-(

En Google hay que buscar siempre en inglés, los resultados en español 
suelen ser escasos.

 Ni bien termine de actualizar la notebook voy a probar estas cosas y
 comento, está descargando como 400 y pico paquetes.

Uf... ¿mucha paquetería, no? :-o

Bueno, ya contarás.

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Re: Actualizar kernel 2.6 a 3.4 en Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Gonzalo Rivero

El vie, 29-06-2012 a las 09:03 -0400, co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu escribió: 
 Hola
 
 Como es posible actualizar el kernel de mi PC con Debian squeeze que tiene
 el kernel 2.6.32 al 3.4.4
 
 Tengo el compactado linux-3.4.4.tar.bz2
 

lo descompactás, te vas al directorio Documentation, y ahí está todo lo
que necesitás saber

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Re: Actualizar kernel 2.6 a 3.4 en Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Matías Bellone

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM,  co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu wrote:
 Hola

 Como es posible actualizar el kernel de mi PC con Debian squeeze que tiene
 el kernel 2.6.32 al 3.4.4

 Tengo el compactado linux-3.4.4.tar.bz2

Normalmente te recomendaría backports.debian.org, pero no tienen 3.4.4 todavía.

Por lo pronto siempre podés hacer una búsqueda y usar el tutorial que
aparece primero cuando buscás kernel 3.4 squeeze:

http://www.hyper-v-server.de/hypervisor/linux-kernel-3-4-rc1-unter-debian-squeeze-kompilieren/?lang=en

Saludos,
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Re: Portátil con Wheezy no se apaga [SOLUCIONADO]

2012-06-29 Thread Walter O. Dari


Hola...

On 29/06/12 12:21, Camaleón wrote:

El Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:54:36 -0300, Walter O. Dari escribiÃ³:


On 29/06/12 10:35, CamaleÃ³n wrote:



Mira a ver si tienes alguna versiÃ³n de la BIOS nueva disponible para tu
portÃ¡til.


RevisarÃ© eso, pero antes apagaba bien, dejÃ³ de hacerlo seguramente
despuÃ©s de alguna actualizaciÃ³n.
OmitÃ decir que tampoco reinicia, salvo a mano.


Lo de la BIOS ayuda en algunas ocasiones con estos problemas, pero bueno,
la verdad es que es raro que sÃ puedas apagar ejecutando manualmente la
orden, si fuera un problema de la gestiÃ³n de energÃa por parte de la BIOS
seguramente tambiÃ©n te fallarÃa el shutdown.


Â¿Has probado a cerrar la sesiÃ³n desde KDE y apagar el equipo
directamente desde KDM?


mmm... creo haberlo hecho alguna vez, pero lo voy a comprobar.


Para descartar que no se quede enganchado algÃºn proceso que se estÃ©
ejecutando en tu sesiÃ³n y que por eso no pueda apagar.

Y ahora que lo digo... en GNOME (wheezy) cuando apago veo un mensaje en
pantalla que dice que un servicio ha fallado (failed) pero no dice cuÃ¡l.
Esto me pasa desde hace pocos dÃas, aunque al final apague bien.


Si cargo una consola, con  shutdown 0 -h  apaga sin problemas.


Eso parece apuntar a un problema con el DE y seguramente la gestiÃ³n de
energÃa. Si tienes instalado otro entorno distinto de KDE, Â¿se apaga
bien cuando inicias sesiÃ³n desde ahÃ?


PodrÃa instalar LXDE y ver... quÃ© es el DE ? (y disculpas por la
ignorancia)


DE es un acrÃ³nimo de Desktop Environment o entorno de escritorio. Mal
hecho por mi parte usarlo, no soy amiga de las palabritas cortas porque
confunden mÃ¡s que ayudan.


Estuve buscando pero no encuentro exactamente mi problema.


Google encuentra problemas similares:

http://bit.ly/NWK3oX


Voy a mirar lo que dices, yo habÃa hecho las bÃºsquedas en espaÃ±ol.


Siempre digo que la informÃ¡tica habla inglÃ©s ;-(

En Google hay que buscar siempre en inglÃ©s, los resultados en espaÃ±ol
suelen ser escasos.


Ni bien termine de actualizar la notebook voy a probar estas cosas y
comento, estÃ¡ descargando como 400 y pico paquetes.


Uf... Â¿mucha paqueterÃa, no? :-o

Bueno, ya contarÃ¡s.


Recién terminó de actualizar toda la paquetería.
La reinicié y ahora funcionan tanto la opción de apagado como la de 
reiniciar.
Evidentemente ha sido un problema que se ha corregido en estas últimas 
actualizaciones.




Saludos,


Gracias a todos los que respondieron.

Saludos y hasta cualquier momento,
Walter


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Re: iptables asesoramiento

2012-06-29 Thread Juan Lavieri


El 29/06/12 06:53, M.Vila escribió:



En 29/06/12 01:29, Alberto Benítez escribiu:
El día 28 de junio de 2012 15:49, Juan Lavierijlavi...@gmail.com  
escribió:

Hola

El 28/06/12 09:53, M.Vila escribió:


Hola:
Ando buscando recomendación para la configuración de iptables, para 
un pc

personal.
He visto diversas configuraciones y no me decido ni entiendo la 
eficacia
de cada una. Normalmente los tutoriales con un drop all estan 
orientados a

servers y no tengo muy claro que sea lo mejor para mi.
Habitualmente salgo por squid, ¿es posible no tener que modificar la
configuración?


Yo te recomendaqría que instalaras firestarter

http://www.fs-security.com/

Es bastante amigable, sencillo de usar y fácil de configurar.  Además
OpenSource y basado en iptables.


Un saudo.


No se qué es eso pero mando dos.



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Creo que lo mejor es que lo entiendas e intentes hacer tus propias
reglas, puede llegar a ser bastante complejo pero es muy util





Mi idea es ir aprendiendo progresivamente. Ya he trasteado con su uso, 
pero por ahora me parece una herramienta demasiado potente. Yo por lo 
que veo hay diversas formas de hacer los filtrados, que radican sobre 
todo en criterios personales. Me podéis recomendar algún manual que a 
vuestro parecer fije, limpie y de esplendor.

Graciasmil.





Ok.  Aquí tienes uno bastante bueno y sencillo

http://www.pello.info/filez/firewall/iptables.html

http://es.tldp.org/Manuales-LuCAS/doc-iptables-firewall/doc-iptables-firewall.pdf  
(Es el mismo solo que en pdf y mas legible)


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Re: Error en actualización

2012-06-29 Thread Leo

El día 27 de junio de 2012 05:21, Odair Augusto Trujillo Orozco
hald...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola, el día de hoy descargué la última actualización de wheezy
 y en este paquete la suma difiere:

 Estado actual: 110 actualizados [-1].
 E: Se produjo un fallo al descargar 
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/
 v/vlc-dmo/libvlccore5_2.0.1-dmo3_i386.deb: La suma hash difiere

 Es de esperar a que lo arreglen o se puede hacer algo.?

Ojo, que el repositorio multimedia ya no se encuentra en
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sino en
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/
Si haces el cambio en el sources.list e instalas el paquete
deb-multimedia-keyring no deberías tener problemas.
Saludos.
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Re: Error en actualización

El Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:44:00 +0200, Leo escribió:

 El día 27 de junio de 2012 05:21, Odair Augusto Trujillo Orozco
 hald...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola, el día de hoy descargué la última actualización de wheezy y en
 este paquete la suma difiere:

 Estado actual: 110 actualizados [-1]. E: Se produjo un fallo al
 descargar http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/
 v/vlc-dmo/libvlccore5_2.0.1-dmo3_i386.deb: La suma hash difiere

 Es de esperar a que lo arreglen o se puede hacer algo.?
 
 Ojo, que el repositorio multimedia ya no se encuentra en
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sino en http://www.deb-multimedia.org/
 Si haces el cambio en el sources.list e instalas el paquete
 deb-multimedia-keyring no deberías tener problemas. Saludos.

Debe ser un problema generalizado porque en la lista inglesa han 
comentado ese mismo problema aún usando el nuevo dominio:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/06/msg02154.html

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Experimento linux desde 0

2012-06-29 Thread Alberto Benítez

Buenas

Estoy planteándome un proyecto un poco loco para conocer mejor linux y debian

Que ocurre si formateo un disco me creo un árbol de directorios vacios
, compilo un kernel y luego meto un grub.

Arrancaría?

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Re: Experimento linux desde 0

2012-06-29 Thread Marc Aymerich

2012/6/30 Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com:
 Buenas

 Estoy planteándome un proyecto un poco loco para conocer mejor linux y debian

 Que ocurre si formateo un disco me creo un árbol de directorios vacios
 , compilo un kernel y luego meto un grub.

 Arrancaría?

si, de echo así es como se instala gentoo :)


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Re: Experimento linux desde 0

2012-06-29 Thread Fabián Bonetti

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:22:28 +0100
Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com wrote:

Lee esto http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch

y esto lo uso Debian para generar la distro.

Puppy linux usa Script T4


Necesitas algo mas que un kernel para que inicie.

Necesitas algo de GNU también y demás cosas.


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Re: Experimento linux desde 0

2012-06-29 Thread Alberto Benítez

El día 29 de junio de 2012 23:39, Fabián Bonetti
mama21mama2...@yahoo.com.ar escribió:
 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:22:28 +0100
 Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lee esto http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch

 y esto lo uso Debian para generar la distro.

 Puppy linux usa Script T4


 Necesitas algo mas que un kernel para que inicie.

 Necesitas algo de GNU también y demás cosas.


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He leído que el kernel busca dos programas al inicio y uno de ellos es
/bin/sh podría poner un pequeño ejecutable que mostrara algo por
pantalla en ese directorio a ver si funciona no?
El soporte para ver la pantalla solo dependería de los módulos que
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Re: Actualizar kernel 2.6 a 3.4 en Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Carlos Carcamo

El día 29 de junio de 2012 09:35, Matías Bellone
matiasbell...@gmail.com escribió:
 On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM,  co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu wrote:
 Hola

 Como es posible actualizar el kernel de mi PC con Debian squeeze que tiene
 el kernel 2.6.32 al 3.4.4

 Tengo el compactado linux-3.4.4.tar.bz2

 Normalmente te recomendaría backports.debian.org, pero no tienen 3.4.4 
 todavía.

 Por lo pronto siempre podés hacer una búsqueda y usar el tutorial que
 aparece primero cuando buscás kernel 3.4 squeeze:

 http://www.hyper-v-server.de/hypervisor/linux-kernel-3-4-rc1-unter-debian-squeeze-kompilieren/?lang=en

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Yo hace días actualice mi kernel desde backports como te sugiere
Matías Bellone.

Actualmente tengo 3.2.0 y me funciona de maravilla, te recomiendo
hacer lo mismo.

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Re: Resolución monitor

2012-06-29 Thread danilo gonzalez

El 29 de junio de 2012 08:27, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:24:09 -0500, danilo gonzalez escribió:

  Ya hice la instalación (de nuevo) desde backports, pero igual sigue
  cargado VESA, supongo que debe ser por el núcleo. El punto es que no se
  que núcleo instalar

 Danilo, ya te comenté en otro mensaje los paquetes que tienes que
 instalar, que básicamente son dos: el kernel (el más actualizado) y el
 driver de Intel de Xorg.

 Dado que los drivers de Intel usan el modo KMS (van emparejados con el
 kernel), sin un kernel actualizado no te va a funcionar correctamente la
 tarjeta que tienes.

 Saludos,

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El Núcleo que instalé desde Backports fue
linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae, al iniciar con ese núcleo como predijo
camaleón, funcionó el driver de intel, luego agregué la resolución deseada
y listo.
(No sé como ponerle resuelto, pero ya lo está)


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Re: installationsproblem me weezy

2012-06-29 Thread Jeremiah C. Foster


On Jun 29, 2012, at 00:21, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:

 Hej.

Hej Kristoffer,

Kan du beskriva lite mer? Jag förstår inte riktigt vad det är för fel. Om du 
klistra in felmeddelandet till exempel det ska hjälpa.

mvh, Jeremiah

 Skulle vela installera weezy på min dator p.g.a att jag vill ha in den 
 senaste versionen av gnome, o den senaste versionen av orca(Skärmläsare för 
 synskadade)
  
 Har dock ett litet problem.
 Kan välja språk och allting, men det är stopp vid identifiering av maskinvara.
 Meddelandet att den letar efter maskinvara bara hoppar upp och ner på skärmen 
 utan att nånting mer händer.
 NÅn mer som har detta problemet, o hur har ni i så fall löst det?
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Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread Adonai Silveira Canez

Verifique nos arquivos de log (/var/log) se aparece alguma informação util.

Adonai

Em 29 de junho de 2012 00:42, gustavo ggusm...@googlemail.com escreveu:

 Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64 parou de
 iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do gdm3, mas depois que
 coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a pedir o login e fica nesse loop. Já
 mudei a sessão de gnome para lxde e mudei de gdm3 para xdm, mas nenhum
 resultado. Já apaguei o .Xautorithy, criei um novo usuário de teste e o
 problema se repete. Voltei para a versão anterior do kernel e o mesmo
 acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece nenhuma mensagem de erro.

 Alguma sugestão do que fazer?

 abraços,
 Gustavo

Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread Gunther Furtado

Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:

 Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64 parou
 de iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do gdm3, mas
 depois que coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a pedir o login e
 fica nesse loop. Já mudei a sessão de gnome para lxde e mudei de gdm3
 para xdm, mas nenhum resultado. Já apaguei o .Xautorithy, criei um
 novo usuário de teste e o problema se repete. Voltei para a versão
 anterior do kernel e o mesmo acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece
 nenhuma mensagem de erro.
 
 Alguma sugestão do que fazer?

Verifique se sua placa de vídeo não sofreu alguma mudança com o kernel
novo, firmware, driver etc.

Abs.,

Gunther

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Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread Leandro

Mas voce esta logando com usuario normal ou root?
por que se for root tem mudar para o gnome aceitar logar como tal .. veja
isso.

Em 29 de junho de 2012 09:24, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:

  Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64 parou
  de iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do gdm3, mas
  depois que coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a pedir o login e
  fica nesse loop. Já mudei a sessão de gnome para lxde e mudei de gdm3
  para xdm, mas nenhum resultado. Já apaguei o .Xautorithy, criei um
  novo usuário de teste e o problema se repete. Voltei para a versão
  anterior do kernel e o mesmo acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece
  nenhuma mensagem de erro.
 
  Alguma sugestão do que fazer?

 Verifique se sua placa de vídeo não sofreu alguma mudança com o kernel
 novo, firmware, driver etc.

 Abs.,

 Gunther

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Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread gustavo

Ufa, isso aqui resolveu o meu problema:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=79468
Gustavo


2012/6/29 Leandro leandro...@gmail.com

 Mas voce esta logando com usuario normal ou root?
 por que se for root tem mudar para o gnome aceitar logar como tal .. veja
 isso.

 Em 29 de junho de 2012 09:24, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:

  Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64 parou
  de iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do gdm3, mas
  depois que coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a pedir o login e
  fica nesse loop. Já mudei a sessão de gnome para lxde e mudei de gdm3
  para xdm, mas nenhum resultado. Já apaguei o .Xautorithy, criei um
  novo usuário de teste e o problema se repete. Voltei para a versão
  anterior do kernel e o mesmo acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece
  nenhuma mensagem de erro.
 
  Alguma sugestão do que fazer?

 Verifique se sua placa de vídeo não sofreu alguma mudança com o kernel
 novo, firmware, driver etc.

 Abs.,

 Gunther

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[OFF] Curso EAD de Programação

2012-06-29 Thread Listeiro 037

Olá a todos.

Existe algum curso EAD de programação avançada?

Nada de scripts ou hello world, é de API, socket, módulo, hardware
etc. 

Pancadaria.

Google não colaborou muito, então depois de algumas semanas de busca
resolvi perguntar.

Desde já agradeço.

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Re: [OFF] Curso EAD de Programação

2012-06-29 Thread davi vidal

Pesquisou pelo quê? O Zed Shaw cobre alguns desses tópicos, se não
me falha a memória...


davi



On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Listeiro 037 listeiro_...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
 Olá a todos.

 Existe algum curso EAD de programação avançada?

 Nada de scripts ou hello world, é de API, socket, módulo, hardware
 etc.

 Pancadaria.

 Google não colaborou muito, então depois de algumas semanas de busca
 resolvi perguntar.

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Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread Gunther Furtado

Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:

 Ufa, isso aqui resolveu o meu problema:
 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=79468
 Gustavo
 

Só para constar, você removeu

/etc/X11/Xsession.d/20desktop-profiles_activateDesktopProfiles 

e, então, tudo voltou ao normal?

abs.,


 
 2012/6/29 Leandro leandro...@gmail.com
 
  Mas voce esta logando com usuario normal ou root?
  por que se for root tem mudar para o gnome aceitar logar como
  tal .. veja isso.
 
  Em 29 de junho de 2012 09:24, Gunther Furtado
  gunfurt...@gmail.comescreveu:
 
  Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:
 
   Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64
   parou de iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do
   gdm3, mas depois que coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a
   pedir o login e fica nesse loop. Já mudei a sessão de gnome para
   lxde e mudei de gdm3 para xdm, mas nenhum resultado. Já apaguei
   o .Xautorithy, criei um novo usuário de teste e o problema se
   repete. Voltei para a versão anterior do kernel e o mesmo
   acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece nenhuma mensagem de erro.
  
   Alguma sugestão do que fazer?
 
  Verifique se sua placa de vídeo não sofreu alguma mudança com o
  kernel novo, firmware, driver etc.
 
  Abs.,
 
  Gunther
 
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Re: Curso EAD de Programação

2012-06-29 Thread Listeiro 037

Quebrei a cabeça para casar as palavras certas na pesquisa, tanto em
inglês quanto em português.

Alguma coisa como um curso para LPI à distância, só que tratando de
programação avançada, kernel, api, interrupções, descer o nível
mesmo :-)

Curso mesmo. Não sei se existe algo. Sempre existe alguém escrevendo um
tutorial ou em fóruns por aí... esses são mais fáceis de encontrar, mas
sem estar numa sequência de temas. Livro é outra história, mas queria
saber se existe curso EAD, nem que seja todo em russo ou que o pólo
fique na Finlãndia. (100% EAD para não ter que ir até la...)


Em Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:40:26 -0300
davi vidal davivi...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Pesquisou pelo quê? O Zed Shaw cobre alguns desses tópicos, se não
 me falha a memória...
 
 
 davi
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Listeiro 037
 listeiro_...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
  Olá a todos.
 
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Re: Debian wheezy nao inicia sessão grafica depois de atualização

2012-06-29 Thread gustavo

Na verdade segui todos os passos e aí voltou a funcionar.


2012/6/29 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com

 Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:

  Ufa, isso aqui resolveu o meu problema:
  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=79468
  Gustavo
 

 Só para constar, você removeu

 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20desktop-profiles_activateDesktopProfiles

 e, então, tudo voltou ao normal?

 abs.,


 
  2012/6/29 Leandro leandro...@gmail.com
 
   Mas voce esta logando com usuario normal ou root?
   por que se for root tem mudar para o gnome aceitar logar como
   tal .. veja isso.
  
   Em 29 de junho de 2012 09:24, Gunther Furtado
   gunfurt...@gmail.comescreveu:
  
   Sex, 29.06.2012, gustavo disse:
  
Olá, depois de fazer uma atualização, o meu debian wheezy amd64
parou de iniciar a sessão gráfica. Aparece a tela de login do
gdm3, mas depois que coloco o usuário/senha, a tela volta a
pedir o login e fica nesse loop. Já mudei a sessão de gnome para
lxde e mudei de gdm3 para xdm, mas nenhum resultado. Já apaguei
o .Xautorithy, criei um novo usuário de teste e o problema se
repete. Voltei para a versão anterior do kernel e o mesmo
acontece. Em todos os casos não aparece nenhuma mensagem de erro.
   
Alguma sugestão do que fazer?
  
   Verifique se sua placa de vídeo não sofreu alguma mudança com o
   kernel novo, firmware, driver etc.
  
   Abs.,
  
   Gunther
  
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Re: [OFF] Curso EAD de Programação

2012-06-29 Thread Luiz Henrique Rauber Rodrigues

tem bastante cara... ead é coisa que se firmou... maioria das universidades
tem cursos a nivel tecnico e academico em varias areas, mas mais objetivos,
como de programacao, a pouco tava vendo os da caellum, mas, só logico, nao
vá querer quase de graça, coisa boa ñ é tão barata

abç e sucesso ai na busca e no aprendiado

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Pesquisou pelo quê? O Zed Shaw cobre alguns desses tópicos, se não
 me falha a memória...


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  Olá a todos.
 
  Existe algum curso EAD de programação avançada?
 
  Nada de scripts ou hello world, é de API, socket, módulo, hardware
  etc.
 
  Pancadaria.
 
  Google não colaborou muito, então depois de algumas semanas de busca
  resolvi perguntar.
 
  Desde já agradeço.
 
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Re: Curso EAD de Programação

2012-06-29 Thread Listeiro 037

Fui olhar no site dessa Caellum, tem muita coisa corporativa, mas não
creio que Java virara lixo de um dia para outro. .Net é outra
história...

O único que me chamou a atenção foi o de SQL. Não por ser o mais fácil
ou o mais barato, mas o único que me pareceu 100% online.

De universidades ainda não encontrei o que procuro, mas EAD é tendência
e provavelmente irreversível.

Valeu!


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Luiz Henrique Rauber Rodrigues luiz.rau...@gmail.com escreveu:

 tem bastante cara... ead é coisa que se firmou... maioria das
 universidades tem cursos a nivel tecnico e academico em varias areas,
 mas mais objetivos, como de programacao, a pouco tava vendo os da
 caellum, mas, só logico, nao vá querer quase de graça, coisa boa ñ é
 tão barata
 
 abç e sucesso ai na busca e no aprendiado
 
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 escreveu:
 
 Pesquisou pelo quê? O Zed Shaw cobre alguns desses tópicos, se
  não me falha a memória...
 
 
  davi
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Listeiro 037
  listeiro_...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
   Olá a todos.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On Vi, 29 iun 12, 13:16:25, Richard Hector wrote:
 On 29/06/12 11:26, Denis Witt wrote:
   If your account is hosed, well, go to their second argument: 2.
   don't get the malware in the first place ;-)
 Great Argument, btw. Oh, I got an Airbag on my car, get rid of the
 brakes please. I don't need them anymore.
 
 That's the wrong way round. I have brakes and drive safely, so an
 airbag isn't essential. Which isn't to say I'd get it removed if I
 had one.

+1

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Re: grub-install says can't identify filesystem; won't install

On Jo, 28 iun 12, 21:41:23, Dan B. wrote:
 When I run grub-install /dev/sdb1, it says:
 
   /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: unable to identify a filesystem in hd1,gpt1; 
 safety check can't be performed.
 
 and does not install GRUB2.  (It's still the same if I use the syntax
 (grub-install (hd1,gpt1).)

Are you sure you want to install grub to a partition (and not to the 
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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

On Vi, 29 iun 12, 04:53:53, Csanyi Pal wrote:
 Hi,
 
 on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
 BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes 
 
 but the /var/log/boot
 
 file has timestamp dec 27  2011
 
 so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?

bootlogd is now in a separate package and the /etc/default/bootlogd is 
not needed anymore (if you want it you install the package ;) it's safe 
to delete it.

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

2012-06-29 Thread Dom


On 29/06/12 03:53, Csanyi Pal wrote:

Hi,

on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes

but the /var/log/boot

file has timestamp dec 27  2011

so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?



This may sound like a silly question, but do you have the bootlogd 
package installed?


I ask, because around that time bootlogd was split off from 
sysvinit-utils into a seperate package, which isn't installed by default.


dom@oz:~$ zcat /usr/share/doc/sysvinit-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz

  bootlogd has moved from sysvinit-utils to a separate bootlogd
  package. If you wish to continue using bootlogd, please install the
  bootlogd package.
  Note that the configuration file /etc/default/bootlogd and its option
  BOOTLOGD_ENABLE no longer exist; if you do not wish to run bootlogd,
  remove the bootlogd package.

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Re: Hash Sum mismatch......

2012-06-29 Thread Charlie

 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:25:26 +1200 Chris Bannister
 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz suggested this:

JFTR, problems with third party repositories are off topic on this
list. The repository 'www.deb-multimedia.org' is not affiliated with
Debian in anyway and in fact can be a possible source of problems.

Apologies Chris, I had no idea this was the case, and won't do it again
if you please tell me what other third party repositories there are?

I think anything to do with firefox is one, any others? I think google
chrome is probably one. I use chromium, got that from Debian I think? I
hope?

Any others not to mention on this list would be good to know.

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

2012-06-29 Thread Csanyi Pal

Dom to...@rpdom.net writes:

 On 29/06/12 03:53, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
 BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes

 but the /var/log/boot

 file has timestamp dec 27  2011

 so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?


 This may sound like a silly question, but do you have the bootlogd
 package installed?

Indeed, I haven't installed the bootpogd package so I install it right
away. 

 dom@oz:~$ zcat /usr/share/doc/sysvinit-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz

   bootlogd has moved from sysvinit-utils to a separate bootlogd
   package. If you wish to continue using bootlogd, please install the
   bootlogd package.

I did so.

   Note that the configuration file /etc/default/bootlogd and its option
   BOOTLOGD_ENABLE no longer exist; if you do not wish to run bootlogd,
   remove the bootlogd package.

I removed the file /etc/default/bootlogd

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Re: 2D desktop Wheezy

2012-06-29 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Op 28-06-12 10:58, Ralf Mardorf schreef:
 On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 10:32 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 I would like to see the 2D desktop in Wheezy. How can I see it on a
 modern machine with Intel graphics?

 Background: when I remote login I see a wrong 2D desktop, but I don't
 know how the good 2D desktop is..
 
 Your desktop environment is GNOME 3? 

Yes.

 What windows manager do you use? I
 suspect the default, but not everybody knows what the default for wheezy
 is. At least I don't know.

update-alternatives --config x-window-manager says I am using
Metacity, and that's the only installed windows-manager.

Maybe Metacity is the place to force a 2D desktop, but finding the
configuration is not easy. No config file and nothing in gconf-editor. I
found that they both switched to gsettings and dconf:
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/GSettingsMigration
dconf-editor can do the configuration, in org | gnome.

But, nothing about 2D there...

I was a bit confused about Mutter. That's Metacity + clutter. There
are some packages installed like mutter-common, so I found some
settings in dconf-editor about it. But the package with the binaries
(mutter) is not installed.

 I don't have any issue using squeeze, but on Arch (a rolling release =
 always upgraded to latest version) for Xfce4 for example (no 3D windows
 manager), Evolution has a borked color theme, perhaps such effects
 encounter for Debian testing now too.
 The freedom to use what ever DE, with what ever apps on Linux is bygone.
 GNOME 3 stuff does follow a little bit the MS/Apple approach :p.

Is here somebody who knows how to force a 2D desktop?

With regards,
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Re: PS2 Keyboard not working after latest update

2012-06-29 Thread James Allsopp

Hi,
Tried both of those but nothing. I have a theory that it might be a Udev
problem, but can't be certain. Does anyone have any ideas why a problem
like that might arise?
James

On 29 June 2012 04:18, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 03:30:11PM +, James Allsopp wrote:
  Hi,
  I'm sorry but I'm having a bit of a problem with Debian squeeze.
 
  The keyboard hardware is working as I can use it in grub but as soon
  as I get to GDM the keyboard does not respond. Even if I kill GDM
  via ssh, the keyboard doesn't respond on the terminal.

 It seems not to be related to X then.

 I'm not running squeeze, so I'm not sure which packages have changed.

 but, as a suggestion,

 does either less /var/log/dpkg.log | grep keyboard and/or less
 /var/log/syslog | grep keyboard show anything of interest.

 Another thing to remember is that any updates to squeeze are carefully
 tested and if a bug crept through like that there would be soon be an
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 Check dmesg output for *any* messages regarding your keyboard.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk


On 29.06.2012 03:16, Richard Hector wrote:


  If your account is hosed, well, go to their second argument: 2.
  don't get the malware in the first place ;-)

Great Argument, btw. Oh, I got an Airbag on my car, get rid of the
brakes please. I don't need them anymore.



That's the wrong way round. I have brakes and drive safely, so an airbag
isn't essential. Which isn't to say I'd get it removed if I had one.


Maybe, seat belts are also not essential, but in many countries the 
usage is mandatory, for a good reason.


So my argument is still valid. It is good to have as many security as 
you can get as long as performance and comfort is still fine.


Bye.


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Re: 2D desktop Wheezy

2012-06-29 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Op 28-06-12 17:02, Camaleón schreef:
 On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:32:49 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 
 I would like to see the 2D desktop in Wheezy. How can I see it on a
 modern machine with Intel graphics?
 
 What do you mean by 2D desktop? There are many 2D desktops available...

The default 2D Gnome3 desktop.

 Background: when I remote login I see a wrong 2D desktop, but I don't
 know how the good 2D desktop is..
 
 What's wrong or right for you? 

I miss parts of the menu.

 Unless you upload/attach a snapshot so we can compare the both desktops 
 you get we can't guess what the problem can be :-)

You cannot compare one desktop, that's the reason that I am looking for
the 2D desktop on the machine.

But... I just found a way how to see the 2D desktop:

- In GDM, click others. Now there is a new item Desktop.
- Choose Gnome Classic.
- Don't forget to give your username, otherwise GDM will freeze.

Then you get the 2D desktop!

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Re: Hash Sum mismatch......

On Vi, 29 iun 12, 14:25:26, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
 JFTR, problems with third party repositories are off topic on this list.
 The repository 'www.deb-multimedia.org' is not affiliated with Debian in
 anyway and in fact can be a possible source of problems.

Don't you think this is a bit harsh? I'm glad that Debian proper is 
catching up[1], but those packages have been very useful to the Debian 
community and Christian Marillat is a Debian Developer.

[1] the only package I still have from dmo is deadbeaf

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Re: 2D desktop Wheezy

2012-06-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Fri, 2012-06-29 at 11:31 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 - Choose Gnome Classic.
 
 Then you get the 2D desktop!

This option soon or later will be dropped. But even a GNOME 2 desktop
based on Metacity perhaps could need 3D acceleration, at least I guess
it will be needed for real transparency.


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Server monitoring

Hello everyone,

i want your suggestion in installting a centralized syslog server with
web interface.
there are many option on the web it is difficult for me to choose the
right one, i am confuse which way to go. so my question to old pros is
, which Syslog server they like to suggest. and secondly i dont want
to dadicate a full machine to Syslog i might want to install other
opensource web base applications with it, such as  hardware inventory
managment etc.

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buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

i am using squid 2.7 stable 9 with pdns as Caching DNS.
using KVM qemu VM as a proxyserver.

i have 4 Mbps internet link. when ever any client start download any
big file my squid gives the full threshold to the downloading session
and on other computers people see

The following error was encountered while trying to retrieve the URL:
http://www.google.com.pk/

Unable to determine IP address from host name www.google.com.pk

The DNS server returned:

Server Failure: The name server was unable to process this query.
This means that the cache was not able to resolve the hostname
presented in the URL. Check if the address is correct.

Your cache administrator is webmaster.

sorry to compare ISA here because i recently been shifted from ISA to
squid so i have to reference that in ISA if some one downloads then it
also handls other quires. of course bandwidth has been distributed and
performance was slow but didn't give the full threshold to just one
client.

when i ping to any outside host it gives me 4 figure value/

delay pool, i dont wana use it.

so i dont know how to track it down. please help me out.

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Re: buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

see the ping delay of my proxy server.
see first few lines which is before download when i start download a
huge file it when to 3000 which is too much and this is the only
reason i think why it is happening. now at the bottem of this ping
responce you will see when i cancled the download job things back to
normal.

64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7361
ttl=54 time=70.3 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7368
ttl=54 time=68.0 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7369
ttl=54 time=70.6 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7370
ttl=54 time=196 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7371
ttl=54 time=787 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7372
ttl=54 time=1141 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7373
ttl=54 time=1689 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7374
ttl=54 time=2113 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7375
ttl=54 time=2262 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7376
ttl=54 time=2806 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7377
ttl=54 time=3083 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7378
ttl=54 time=3181 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7386
ttl=54 time=1846 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7387
ttl=54 time=1923 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7388
ttl=54 time=1807 ms
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ttl=54 time=831 ms
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ttl=54 time=71.2 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7391
ttl=54 time=69.2 ms
64 bytes from del01s05-in-f7.1e100.net (74.125.236.7): icmp_req=7392
ttl=54 time=69.3 ms


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RE: Server monitoring

2012-06-29 Thread Kaplan, Andrew H.

Hello --

I am using LogAnalyzer as my central log server. There is a procedure available 
at the following url:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/centralized-logging-web-interface

for the installation. I have the application running on a virtual machine, and 
it has been a productive
add-on for our operations. 

 

-Original Message-
From: Muhammad Yousuf Khan [mailto:sir...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 6:47 AM
To: debian
Subject: Server monitoring

Hello everyone,

i want your suggestion in installting a centralized syslog server with
web interface.
there are many option on the web it is difficult for me to choose the
right one, i am confuse which way to go. so my question to old pros is
, which Syslog server they like to suggest. and secondly i dont want
to dadicate a full machine to Syslog i might want to install other
opensource web base applications with it, such as  hardware inventory
managment etc.

Thanks


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Re: buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

i have done some test and here are some details and results

 i am using two machine

1, Gateway IPcop (linux)
2. Debian lenny (squid)

i am using download manager to download a 50MB file.

IPCOP
---
when i do it VIA IPCOP my download  burst rate up to 270 KB
not ping delay and other can also brows easily.

Squid on Lenny


VIA SQuid (proxy mode) my download reach 365 which is full throughput
and faster then IPCOP but
ping delay reach 4000 which is considered almost near to death.

and no other users can browse and getting time out message on there browser.


i think this shows that issue is with squid box and i don't know
weather i have to tweak the squid or TCP buffer or anything

i am lost please help.

Thanks,

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 see the ping delay of my proxy server.
 see first few lines which is before download when i start download a
 huge file it when to 3000 which is too much and this is the only
 reason i think why it is happening. now at the bottem of this ping
 responce you will see when i cancled the download job things back to
 normal.

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 ttl=54 time=70.3 ms
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Re: Filezilla a security risk

2012-06-29 Thread Linux-Fan

On 06/27/2012 09:26 PM, francis picabia wrote:
 I've just learned Filezilla is a security risk.  It stores saved
 passwords and the last used password in a plain text file.
 
 Malware commonly scoops up this info and hacks web sites
 or shell accounts.
 
 The developer refuses to incorporate a solution
 such as master password and encryption into filezilla.
 
 His responses in numerous bug reports and feature requests are:
 
 1. encryption: that's the file system's job
 2. don't get the malware in the first place
 
 In my opinion, people should avoid filezilla.

Thank you for your warning. I immediately switched to gftp because
storing passwords unencrypted violates my security standards.


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Re: Filezilla a security risk

2012-06-29 Thread francis picabia

The posts about how there are other risks from malware and keyloggers
is true enough.  I never claimed that avoiding filezilla would make the Windows
system secure.  But if you have your doors and windows open, and want
to reduce the chance of theft, then I'd say filezilla is like a patio
door wide open
on the scale of opportunities and the prevalence of the exploit.

The prevalence of a risk and the ease of executing the exploit
is what matters first.  Whether it is possible to do
something else matters, but less.  The greatest risk
is with what is currently happening in high frequency and has
a high likelihood of reoccurring.  Debian Security Advisory
doesn't have this, but Redhat and Malware advisories rank
threats in terms of ease of execution, popularity in the wild
and severity of the damage which could result.

In my work place, people have thanked me for this warning.  Even IT
people who work Information Systems are glad to know of this risk and
did not know of it before.

In the workplace, people use Windows and Unix.  They do not have
the luxury of being as dogmatic as some Linux users.  They are
mostly interested in working practically.


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Re: / almost full

2012-06-29 Thread Christopher Judd

On Thursday 28 June 2012 10:25:13 Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:57:13AM +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
  Personally, I would re install if this is a personal system, it will
  make life easier in the future.
  
  If you do decide to;
  create a / partition of about 10gb (minimum)
  a swap partition (if you want one)
 
 swap would be almost mandatory, wouldn't it?
 

You can use a swapfile without dedicating a separate partition.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:26:08 +0200, Denis Witt wrote:

 If your account is hosed, well, go to their second argument: 2. don't
 get the malware in the first place ;-)
 
 Great Argument, btw. Oh, I got an Airbag on my car, get rid of the
 brakes please. I don't need them anymore.

- The engineer has to decide *what* to add and *what* to remove.
- The manufacturer has to decide is it wants to sell *that kind* of car.
- The customer has to decide if he/she wants to buy *that* car.

There are many things to watch in the chain. And yes, brakes -as we know 
today- do become obsolete sooner or later, such is life.

 The ONLY reason why Linux based systems hasn't got such a problem with
 malware is that there are not enough Desktop machines to make this a
 good target. Often enough there are security holes which allow you to
 take control over the entire machine. And that's fine as it is complex
 software.

True, but what's your point here?

Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of treat 
I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for 
Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.

 But if you can easily add some more security layers without loosing too
 much performance and/or usability you should always do that.

Maybe... but you'll get a false impression of protection that can be even 
more nocive as you'll relax your security notion.

 Storing unhashed and unsalted or unencrypted passwords is simply stupid.
 Ask the guys at last.fm. ;)

Again, there are files in my servers (e.g., ssl keys) and also my Mutt 
configuration file (that holds my e-mail account password) which are 
stored in cleartext. So...? Do you want us to remove the ethernet 
cord? ;-)

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:53:53 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
 BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
 
 but the /var/log/boot
 
 file has timestamp dec 27  2011
 
 so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?

I'm in the same situation that yours. 

AFAIK, the current implementation of bootlogd is broken, it does not work 
though it did (sometimes) time ago.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

2012-06-29 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese


On 6/29/12 6:56 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of 
treat I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for 
Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.



Really? I'm far more concerned about my credentials for foreign sites 
than I am for any other information I store locally.



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Re: Filezilla a security risk

2012-06-29 Thread Lisi

On Friday 29 June 2012 10:28:11 Denis Witt wrote:
 I have brakes and drive safely, so an airbag

  isn't essential.

And do all the speed louts see you coming and say: We mustn't overtake on 
this blind corner.  The driver coming towards me on what is now the same side 
of the road as I am on is a good driver.  I must backtrack in time and not 
overtake because good drivers don't have accidents.?  I consider all the 
modern improvements in safety essential, and with each of them have been an 
early adopter.

Lisi


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Bridging eth0/br0 NetworkManager - can they coexist?

Hello,

I have absolutely no doubt that someone reading this list knows more
than I do on this.. :)

The issue I'm having, using wheezy, is that if I set up a bridged
ethernet interface for eth0 (br0), as per instructions on the Debian
wiki etc, NetworkManager can no longer manage my wired ethernet connection.

If I edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and change

[ifupdown]
managed=false

to

[ifupdown]
managed=true

then eth0 and br0 both pick up the same IP address.

This is my current /etc/network/interfaces:

# The loopback network interface
auto lo br0
iface lo inet loopback

# bridging
iface br0 inet dhcp
   bridge_ports eth0
   bridge_stp off
   bridge_maxwait 0
   bridge_fd 0


I must be missing something simple here.  Could anyone point me in the
right direction please?  Has anyone got a working config?

TIA...

Steve
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Re: 2D desktop Wheezy

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:31:29 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

 Op 28-06-12 17:02, Camaleón schreef:

 What do you mean by 2D desktop? There are many 2D desktops
 available...
 
 The default 2D Gnome3 desktop.

Ah, okay, you mean GNOME fallback or gnome-classical desktop.

 Background: when I remote login I see a wrong 2D desktop, but I don't
 know how the good 2D desktop is..
 
 What's wrong or right for you?
 
 I miss parts of the menu.

The top/bottom menu, the main menu...? And what's exactly what you miss 
for there? Sir, if you are not a bit more precise we can't make but 
blindly guess :-)

 Unless you upload/attach a snapshot so we can compare the both desktops
 you get we can't guess what the problem can be :-)
 
 You cannot compare one desktop, that's the reason that I am looking for
 the 2D desktop on the machine.

We can compare if we do see how the two look like :-)
 
 But... I just found a way how to see the 2D desktop:
 
 - In GDM, click others. Now there is a new item Desktop. 
 - Choose Gnome Classic.
 - Don't forget to give your username, otherwise GDM will freeze.

If you don't select a user from the list neither manually write the 
username, GDM will not freeze but does nothing, is waiting four your 
input.

 Then you get the 2D desktop!

Oh, sure! Glad you finally got it.

Greetings,

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:00:33 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

 On 6/29/12 6:56 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of
 treat I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for
 Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.
 
 
 Really? I'm far more concerned about my credentials for foreign sites
 than I am for any other information I store locally.

Yes, really.

The information I can store in my systems are by far more important than 
the passwords for my FTP sites. In the end, it only affects the FTP 
credentials, nor databases, nor root accounts... because you aren't login 
as root for your FTP sessions, right? ;-)

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Re: Bridging eth0/br0 NetworkManager - can they coexist?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:02:57 +0100, Steve Dowe wrote:

(...)

 If I edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and change
 
 [ifupdown]
 managed=false
 
 to
 
 [ifupdown]
 managed=true
 
 then eth0 and br0 both pick up the same IP address.

Mmm... and what's what you want to bridge? Remember that any bridge 
needs at least two end points.

 This is my current /etc/network/interfaces:
 
 # The loopback network interface
 auto lo br0
 iface lo inet loopback
 
 # bridging
 iface br0 inet dhcp
bridge_ports eth0
bridge_stp off
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0
 
 
 I must be missing something simple here.  Could anyone point me in the
 right direction please?  Has anyone got a working config?

There are some bridging samples here:

http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2BAC8-etc.2BAC8-network.2BAC8-interfaces

But shouldn't be better to use the same networking method (ifup or N-M but 
not a mix of them) to configure the interfaces (eth0 and br0)? :-?

Greetings,

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

2012-06-29 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese

My root credentials for my local machine aren't stored in plaintext. And if the 
local machine is compromised, the critical threat is its use as a zombie, not 
any info that's on it. There simply isn't any confidential data. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:00:33 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
 
 On 6/29/12 6:56 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of
 treat I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for
 Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.
 
 
 Really? I'm far more concerned about my credentials for foreign sites
 than I am for any other information I store locally.
 
 Yes, really.
 
 The information I can store in my systems are by far more important than 
 the passwords for my FTP sites. In the end, it only affects the FTP 
 credentials, nor databases, nor root accounts... because you aren't login 
 as root for your FTP sessions, right? ;-)
 
 Greetings,
 
 -- 
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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

2012-06-29 Thread Csanyi Pal

Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:53:53 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
 BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
 
 but the /var/log/boot
 
 file has timestamp dec 27  2011
 
 so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?

 I'm in the same situation that yours. 

 AFAIK, the current implementation of bootlogd is broken, it does not work 
 though it did (sometimes) time ago.

I solved the problem by installing bootlogd package.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk


On 29.06.2012 15:56, Camaleón wrote:


The ONLY reason why Linux based systems hasn't got such a problem with
malware is that there are not enough Desktop machines to make this a
good target. Often enough there are security holes which allow you to
take control over the entire machine. And that's fine as it is complex
software.



True, but what's your point here?


The point is that software can't be 100% secure. So when possible it is 
a good idea to have more than one security layer. A bug in Apache my 
cause someone to get access to you FileZilla-Settings. At the moment 
this would be a big problem, if the file is encrypted the problem is 
still there but you have some additional time to change your passwords. 
Good thing.



Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of treat
I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for
Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.


Really? I would more worry about the remote servers listed in my 
FileZilla-Config (if there are any), because they might belong to 
customers, friends, etc. I might get worried about my Backups as I want 
to restore my compromised system.



But if you can easily add some more security layers without loosing too
much performance and/or usability you should always do that.



Maybe... but you'll get a false impression of protection that can be even
more nocive as you'll relax your security notion.


Humans are making mistakes, a false impression of protection may lend 
you to such mistakes, this is true. That's one reason why we don't run 
background Virus-Checks on our machines (mails are being scanned and you 
can do on demand checks for USB media, etc.).


But it is easy to tell users that all files from those medias may be 
evil. It's much harder to tell them that their programs might store 
sensible data in a way that isn't secure. At least this is much harder 
than for the FileZilla guys to store passwords encrypted.



Storing unhashed and unsalted or unencrypted passwords is simply stupid.
Ask the guys at last.fm. ;)



Again, there are files in my servers (e.g., ssl keys) and also my Mutt


SSL/SSH Keys should have a password or should be stored in some kind of 
encrypted container.



configuration file (that holds my e-mail account password) which are
stored in cleartext. So...?


Pretty stupid isn't it? ;) An encrypted container wouldn't help a lot 
here, because I assume your MUA is running most of the day, right? So 
the container has to be open all the time and any malware could read the 
file.



Do you want us to remove the ethernet cord? ;-)


Would be a nice thing from a security point of view, that's why I 
mentioned comfort and performance. :)


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[SOLVED] Debian's grub doesn't detect Ubuntu (was: Re: Debian's grub doesn't detect Ubuntu)

2012-06-29 Thread Mika Suomalainen

Hi,

This issue is now solved.

I wondered why Debian's GRUB doesn't detect Ubuntu, but Ubuntu's GRUB
detects Debian at #ubuntu-fi-offtopic on freenode and I got answer that
Debian doesn't have os-prober.

I noticed that that package is available on Debian repositories,
installed it and ran os-prober and update-grub as root and then GRUB
found Ubuntu.



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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:36:16 +0100, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

 On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:00:33 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
 
 On 6/29/12 6:56 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of
 treat I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings
 for Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged
 sword.
 
 
 Really? I'm far more concerned about my credentials for foreign sites
 than I am for any other information I store locally.
 
 Yes, really.
 
 The information I can store in my systems are by far more important
 than the passwords for my FTP sites. In the end, it only affects the
 FTP credentials, nor databases, nor root accounts... because you aren't
 login as root for your FTP sessions, right? ;-)

 My root credentials for my local machine aren't stored in plaintext. 

I did not mean that. I mean login to your FTP server as root (and not 
as plain user) which is different thing and of course should be avoided.

 And if the local machine is compromised, the critical threat is its use
 as a zombie, not any info that's on it. 

You sure? Being a zombie could be even funny, sending spam and infected e-
mails to windows users, kinda justice and divine revenge, he, he... :-)

 There simply isn't any confidential data.

Lucky you that don't have to worry for that.

 Sent from my iPhone
  ^^^

I hope you also care for the data stored in your cell phone :-)

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Re: Where does Debian define/specify standard bundles?

2012-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett


[reformatted to bottom posting]

Keith McKenzie wrote:

On 28/06/2012, Richard Owlettrowl...@cloud85.net  wrote:

Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:31:26 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


In trying to find a reasonable way to create a custom installation I
came across http://www.instalinux.com . I gather from what is on its
site and several reviews it creates the equivalent of a customized
netinst iso by using preseed files.

At one point the site allows the user to select some common preference
   saying: Select Debian-Squeeze software bundles and then listing
desktop, laptop, etc.

Where would I find those bundles defined? [Google not helpful :


There's a brief explanation of the involved packages here:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel

Greetings,



I've seen either that page or a quotation of it. As it is
from an Installation Guide, the author's intended audience
is a range typical end users, not someone wishing to make a
tool for a very atypical end user.

What I'm looking for is similar to the dependency info used
in the background by synaptic etc.

Pages similar to
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/desktop-base or
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gdm3 would be closer to
what I'm looking for.


You appear to be wanting to know the dependancies for packages,


Yes


whereas, installinux appears to run a distros installer.


Yes. But :)
I want to understand the dependencies so I will know what 
instalinux thinks is being request. The old problem of 
getting what you ASK for, not what you WANTED.




If you want tasksel, it is part of the Debian install process. the
regular (Debian suggested) desktop environment is Gnome, but you can
choose between Gnome, KDE, XFCE, or LXDE on installation. OR, install
a 'standard system'  then boot into it  run apt-get install (or use
aptitude) to install your choice of programs, such as Xorg  a window
manager, or a desktop environment,  programs for office work, web
browsing, etc.


Chuckle.
But I'm trying for a *LEAN* system that is not feature starved.
I'll use the Gnome Desktop _Environment_ as an example.
I like the general UI.
*BUT* it stuffs tons of never to be used games, office 
applications, and browsers unto the system. And adding 
insult to injury, does not install the packages I do want ;





All necessary (open source) dependancies will be installed
automatically for you.




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Re: Where does Debian define/specify standard bundles?

2012-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett


Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:26:57 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:31:26 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


In trying to find a reasonable way to create a custom installation I
came across http://www.instalinux.com . I gather from what is on its
site and several reviews it creates the equivalent of a customized
netinst iso by using preseed files.

At one point the site allows the user to select some common
preference
   saying: Select Debian-Squeeze software bundles and then listing
desktop, laptop, etc.

Where would I find those bundles defined? [Google not helpful :


There's a brief explanation of the involved packages here:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel




I've seen either that page or a quotation of it. As it is from an
Installation Guide, the author's intended audience is a range typical
end users, not someone wishing to make a tool for a very atypical end
user.


Well, the target audience for the guide can be a joe user who is going
to install Debian in the default way, or an advanced user who wants a
self-made/customized install.

Either way, the software bundles referred by instalinux are close to
the mentioned package selections described there.


What I'm looking for is similar to the dependency info used in the
background by synaptic etc.

Pages similar to
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/desktop-base or
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gdm3 would be closer to what I'm
looking for.


Yes, I think I know what you want to get but doing so from Debian
installer is a bit tricky... you can cherry-pick the packages (or meta-
packages) that have to be installed by means of preseeding (also
documented in the above mentioned guide, chapter B.2. Using preseeding)
but is not an easy task.

Greetings,



Me? Do things in convoluted manner?
Teachers and bosses have commented on that for 50 years ;}

In some of my reading, I have come across bits of the 
history of the Embedded Debian Project. Though reading 
more on that project is unlikely to explicitly answer the 
question I posed, much of their work will be useful to me. 
They were motivated physical system constraints. I find the 
results esthetically satisfying.



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Re: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid - Howto setup bootlogd?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:44:12 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:53:53 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 on my system I have enabled bootlogd: in /etc/default/bootlogd I have:
 BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
 
 but the /var/log/boot
 
 file has timestamp dec 27  2011
 
 so it seem's that bootlogd doesn't work. Why not?

 I'm in the same situation that yours.

 AFAIK, the current implementation of bootlogd is broken, it does not
 work though it did (sometimes) time ago.
 
 I solved the problem by installing bootlogd package.

Uh? This has been installed since... wait, you're right, the package is 
not there, what the...? It may have been removed silently because I'm 
sure I had it working and installed months ago.

Well, thanks, reinstalling again :-)

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Re: buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

2012-06-29 Thread Tom Grace

On 29/06/12 14:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
 i have done some test and here are some details and results
 
  i am using two machine
 
 1, Gateway IPcop (linux)
 2. Debian lenny (squid)
 
 i am using download manager to download a 50MB file.
 
 IPCOP
 ---
 when i do it VIA IPCOP my download  burst rate up to 270 KB
 not ping delay and other can also brows easily.
 
 Squid on Lenny
 
 
 VIA SQuid (proxy mode) my download reach 365 which is full throughput
 and faster then IPCOP but
 ping delay reach 4000 which is considered almost near to death.
 
 and no other users can browse and getting time out message on there browser.
 
 
 i think this shows that issue is with squid box and i don't know
 weather i have to tweak the squid or TCP buffer or anything
You may want to throttle the connection in Squid. It seems like the
connection is saturated, though under normal circumstances it that
wouldn't cause the level of trouble that you are seeing. It might be
worth investigating the settings on the IPCOP box.
Your theory about buffers could well be correct, but probably the
simplest thing to do is limit the maximum speed to around 95% of the
available bandwidth (may require some experimentation).



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Re: Bridging eth0/br0 NetworkManager - can they coexist?

On 29/06/12 15:34, Camaleón wrote:

If I edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and change

[ifupdown] managed=false

[ifupdown] managed=true

then eth0 and br0 both pick up the same IP address.

Mmm... and what's what you want to bridge? Remember that any bridge
needs at least two end points.

My intention is allow my ethernet interface to be allocated as many IPs
on my local network as necessary to service the virtual machines I'm
running. The bridge, in this case, is a virtual-to-physical one.

This is my current /etc/network/interfaces:

# The loopback network interface
auto lo br0
iface lo inet loopback

# bridging iface br0
inet dhcp
bridge_ports eth0
bridge_stp off
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd 0

I must be missing something simple here. Could anyone point me in
the right direction please? Has anyone got a working config?

There are some bridging samples here:

http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2BAC8-etc.2BAC8-network.2BAC8-interfaces

Thanks. I did look at those. And by following that configuration:

# Set up interfaces manually, avoiding conflicts with, e.g., network
manager
iface eth0 inet manual

iface eth1 inet manual

# Bridge setup
iface br0 inet dhcp
bridge_ports eth0

... Network Manager cannot control eth0. Under Wired Networks it
reports Device not managed.

Besides, the comment in that configuration is # Set up interfaces
manually, avoiding conflicts with, e.g., network manager - so it's
clearly acknowledge here that bridging does indeed conflict with network
manager, and I shouldn't expect it to work using that example.

But shouldn't be better to use the same networking method (ifup or
N-M but not a mix of them) to configure the interfaces (eth0 and
br0)? :-?

Ok, so I'm getting used to the Debian way of doing things, having come
from another distro. I assumed I /was/ using the N-M way of doing
things, editing a N-M config file. But, I glean from your comment that
there is overlap here.

When I keep the above settings in /etc/network/interfaces and change
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, from

[ifupdown] managed=false

[ifupdown] managed=true

then I can control eth0 through Network Manager, and I'm back at square
one - both eth0 and br0 get the same IP address, and routing breaks.

I believe harmony is possible between NM and br0 - I'm just unsure of
the approach in Debian.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:44:29 +0200, Denis Witt wrote:

 On 29.06.2012 15:56, Camaleón wrote:
 
 The ONLY reason why Linux based systems hasn't got such a problem with
 malware is that there are not enough Desktop machines to make this a
 good target. Often enough there are security holes which allow you to
 take control over the entire machine. And that's fine as it is complex
 software.
 
 True, but what's your point here?
 
 The point is that software can't be 100% secure. So when possible it is
 a good idea to have more than one security layer. 

Even if that extra layer is of no help because you leave your computer 
open and accessible to anyone? Then you're wasting your time and your 
computer resources, security has to sit between useful and effectiveness, 
otherwise you're losing the battle.

 A bug in Apache my cause someone to get access to you FileZilla
 -Settings. 

I wonder how that can happen... 

 At the moment this would be a big problem, if the file is encrypted the
 problem is still there but you have some additional time to change your
 passwords. Good thing.

Good thing for a corner case. But the bad thing here is that someone can 
access your Filezilla settings from you Apache, though.

 Should my Debian system becomes cracked or infected by any kind of
 treat I would worry more about my usual files and not the settings for
 Filezilla. I mean, nothing new here, security is a multi-edged sword.
 
 Really? I would more worry about the remote servers listed in my
 FileZilla-Config (if there are any), because they might belong to
 customers, friends, etc. I might get worried about my Backups as I want
 to restore my compromised system.

You change the password for your FTP user accounts and that's all. Gee, I 
wonder in what way users are using their linux systems that don't store 
any important data on them, only for multimedia playing? :-P

 But if you can easily add some more security layers without loosing
 too much performance and/or usability you should always do that.
 
 Maybe... but you'll get a false impression of protection that can be
 even more nocive as you'll relax your security notion.
 
 Humans are making mistakes, a false impression of protection may lend
 you to such mistakes, this is true. That's one reason why we don't run
 background Virus-Checks on our machines (mails are being scanned and you
 can do on demand checks for USB media, etc.).

I do check the files I donwload from the web, regardless they are going 
to be opened from windows or linux, e-mails are also scanned by means of 
ClamAV and USB keys are not anutomatically mounted thus can be also 
easily analyzed first.

And I do all of the above because I came from Windows first, I have the 
steps burned in fire in my brain :-)

 But it is easy to tell users that all files from those medias may be
 evil. It's much harder to tell them that their programs might store
 sensible data in a way that isn't secure. At least this is much harder
 than for the FileZilla guys to store passwords encrypted.

Curiously enough is not only Filezilla who takes the path for not 
encrypting the user credentials so there has to be a reason in behind for 
that to happen so often...

Anyway, aren't most of us still using plain pop3 and smtp connections 
with no message encryption at all? Who are we blaming? ;-)

 Storing unhashed and unsalted or unencrypted passwords is simply
 stupid. Ask the guys at last.fm. ;)
 
 Again, there are files in my servers (e.g., ssl keys) and also my Mutt
 
 SSL/SSH Keys should have a password or should be stored in some kind of
 encrypted container.

IIRC you have to remove the password so Apache can make use of it so 
finally the security relies on the file perms (only root can read it).

 configuration file (that holds my e-mail account password) which are
 stored in cleartext. So...?
 
 Pretty stupid isn't it? ;) 

You tell me :-)

 An encrypted container wouldn't help a lot here, because I assume your
 MUA is running most of the day, right? So the container has to be open 
all the time and any malware could read
 the file.

In my case it is launched on demand. My main MUA is Thunderbird.

 Do you want us to remove the ethernet cord? ;-)
 
 Would be a nice thing from a security point of view, that's why I
 mentioned comfort and performance. :)

There's still dangerous USB flash drives and the always evil CD/DVD and 
floppy disks... you never know.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On 29/06/12 15:36, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
 My root credentials for my local machine aren't stored in plaintext.
 And if the local machine is compromised, the critical threat is its
 use as a zombie, not any info that's on it. There simply isn't any
 confidential data.

But the reason for that is that your root password is encrypted using
one-way encryption.  It cannot be decrypted.

But, the result of it being encrypted is compared to the result of the
password you log in with (as root) being encrypted ... if the two match,
that's good enough for PAM, etc.

Obviously, for FZ, you need two-way encryption/decryption.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I've been told I'm good at that ;)

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Re: buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tom Grace
lists...@deathbycomputers.co.uk wrote:
On 29/06/12 14:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
i have done some test and here are some details and results

i am using two machine

1, Gateway IPcop (linux)
2. Debian lenny (squid)

i am using download manager to download a 50MB file.

IPCOP
---
when i do it VIA IPCOP my download burst rate up to 270 KB
not ping delay and other can also brows easily.

Squid on Lenny

VIA SQuid (proxy mode) my download reach 365 which is full throughput
and faster then IPCOP but
ping delay reach 4000 which is considered almost near to death.

and no other users can browse and getting time out message on there browser.

i think this shows that issue is with squid box and i don't know
weather i have to tweak the squid or TCP buffer or anything
You may want to throttle the connection in Squid. It seems like the
connection is saturated, though under normal circumstances it that
wouldn't cause the level of trouble that you are seeing. It might be
worth investigating the settings on the IPCOP box.
Your theory about buffers could well be correct, but probably the
simplest thing to do is limit the maximum speed to around 95% of the
available bandwidth (may require some experimentation).

for that i have to read 3 delaypools :(, means lots of testing..

is there anyway or utility which can help me in this regard on OS level.

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Re: buffer bloat or Squid issue ?

FYI : IPCOP currently sets to masqurading. i am not using the squid
facility right now.

Thanks

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Tom Grace
lists...@deathbycomputers.co.uk wrote:
On 29/06/12 14:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
i have done some test and here are some details and results

i am using two machine

1, Gateway IPcop (linux)
2. Debian lenny (squid)

i am using download manager to download a 50MB file.

IPCOP
---
when i do it VIA IPCOP my download burst rate up to 270 KB
not ping delay and other can also brows easily.

Squid on Lenny

VIA SQuid (proxy mode) my download reach 365 which is full throughput
and faster then IPCOP but
ping delay reach 4000 which is considered almost near to death.

and no other users can browse and getting time out message on there browser.

for that i have to read 3 delaypools :(, means lots of testing..

is there anyway or utility which can help me in this regard on OS level.

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Re: Filezilla a security risk


On 29.06.2012 17:13, Steve Dowe wrote:


Obviously, for FZ, you need two-way encryption/decryption.


But this is also no problem, just create a Master-Password and use 
encryption based on that.


If you start FileZilla you have to enter the Master-Password and then 
you can connect to all available accounts.


This might not be bulletproof but it gave you some time to detect that 
your machine was compromised and change your passwords.


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Re: Filezilla a security risk

On 29/06/12 16:25, Denis Witt wrote:

 This might not be bulletproof but it gave you some time to detect that
 your machine was compromised and change your passwords.

Maybe not, but what is? :)

At the same time, with all this talk of passwords stored as plain text
etc, it's not a great hurdle to set up a local, encrypted loopback
device that mounts in your local file system.  You could even mount it
at ~/.filezilla, and then run up FZ for the first time.

Such a device would require a password to unlock/mount, so the window
where unencrypted data is vulnerable could be minimised...

http://www.howtoforge.com/encrypt-your-data-with-encfs-debian-squeeze-ubuntu-11.10

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Re: Where does Debian define/specify standard bundles?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:12:28 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

 Camaleón wrote:

(...)

 Yes, I think I know what you want to get but doing so from Debian
 installer is a bit tricky... you can cherry-pick the packages (or meta-
 packages) that have to be installed by means of preseeding (also
 documented in the above mentioned guide, chapter B.2. Using
 preseeding) but is not an easy task.



 Me? Do things in convoluted manner?
 Teachers and bosses have commented on that for 50 years ;}

:-D

 In some of my reading, I have come across bits of the history of the
 Embedded Debian Project. Though reading more on that project is
 unlikely to explicitly answer the question I posed, much of their work
 will be useful to me. They were motivated physical system constraints. I
 find the results esthetically satisfying.

I'm sure you'd enjoy the concept of the openSUSE Studio that allows you 
to create a customized installation ISO image by selecting only the 
packages you want to be there and automatically solving the package 
dependencies :-)

For Debian there were a different set of options to create a personalized 
CD image (some of them listed here²) but the usual way to get an 
installation with the small amount of packages is by loading the netinst 
image, select the expert installer and then choose only the base system 
to be installed from the task selector. Once the system is up and running 
(and package managers can deal with package dependencies), proceed with 
the installation of the wanted applications you want to be there.

¹http://susestudio.com/
²http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD/

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Re: Bridging eth0/br0 NetworkManager - can they coexist?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:08:26 +0100, Steve Dowe wrote:

On 29/06/12 15:34, Camaleón wrote:

Mmm... and what's what you want to bridge? Remember that any bridge
needs at least two end points.

Ah, then maybe you don't need a bridge but a virtual addressing layout:

http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface

There are some bridging samples here:

http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2BAC8-etc.2BAC8-network.2BAC8-interfaces

Thanks. I did look at those. And by following that configuration:

# Set up interfaces manually, avoiding conflicts with, e.g., network
manager
iface eth0 inet manual

iface eth1 inet manual

# Bridge setup
iface br0 inet dhcp
bridge_ports eth0
^

(you still need a second interface to create the bridge)

... Network Manager cannot control eth0. Under Wired Networks it
reports Device not managed.

Yes, that's correct.

Why do you want N-M to be in charge of your network? It does not look
like a good approach if you are planning to use Debian as a VM host :-?

It's not that clear, at least from a practical point of view :-)

My experience tells me that I better do not mix them.

But shouldn't be better to use the same networking method (ifup or N-M
but not a mix of them) to configure the interfaces (eth0 and br0)? :-?

When I keep the above settings in /etc/network/interfaces and change
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, from

[ifupdown] managed=false

[ifupdown] managed=true

then I can control eth0 through Network Manager, and I'm back at square
one - both eth0 and br0 get the same IP address, and routing breaks.

I believe harmony is possible between NM and br0 - I'm just unsure of
the approach in Debian.

I think you still need to add a second interface to the bridge...

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Re: Debian's grub doesn't detect Ubuntu

2012-06-29 Thread Helgi Örn Helgason

On 28 June 2012 12:51, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for your reply.

 I tried mounting all partitions now and running update-grub after
 reading your email, but it didn't seem to work. I am still seeing only
 Debian and Windows 7 in GRUB.

Hmm... Strange, I did this today on a computer with exactly these same
three systems. After a Ubuntu kernel upgrade I booted up debian and
ran update-grub after mounting the Ubuntu partition, like usual it
worked perfectly well.
Where is your Ubuntu /boot, under / or on a seperate partition?

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Re: Filezilla a security risk


On 29.06.2012 17:13, Camaleón wrote:


The point is that software can't be 100% secure. So when possible it is
a good idea to have more than one security layer.



Even if that extra layer is of no help because you leave your computer
open and accessible to anyone? Then you're wasting your time and your
computer resources, security has to sit between useful and effectiveness,
otherwise you're losing the battle.


FileZilla could use a Master-Password to encrypt the Account-Passwords. 
So if you start FZ you enter the Master-Password (and may define a time 
so that FZ will forgot the Master-PW after some time, when it's still open).



A bug in Apache my cause someone to get access to you FileZilla
-Settings.



I wonder how that can happen...


It was just an example.

Another example, a colleague of yours have SSH-Access on your machine. 
Also you allow some commands he can run with sudo. Did you know that 
chmod is enough so he could start a shell with root credentials? And I 
don't talk about suid.


What I'm trying to say is that our machines are pretty much very complex 
and it is very easy to overlook things.



At the moment this would be a big problem, if the file is encrypted the
problem is still there but you have some additional time to change your
passwords. Good thing.



Good thing for a corner case. But the bad thing here is that someone can
access your Filezilla settings from you Apache, though.


Sure. But if there is a bug (or misconfiguration) it might be possible 
to do so. If it was a misconfiguration it is your own fault, of course.



Really? I would more worry about the remote servers listed in my
FileZilla-Config (if there are any), because they might belong to
customers, friends, etc. I might get worried about my Backups as I want
to restore my compromised system.



You change the password for your FTP user accounts and that's all. Gee, I
wonder in what way users are using their linux systems that don't store
any important data on them, only for multimedia playing? :-P


No, but the really important data is encrypted in a way so even if my 
machine is running all the time the container isn't accessible all the time.



Humans are making mistakes, a false impression of protection may lend
you to such mistakes, this is true. That's one reason why we don't run
background Virus-Checks on our machines (mails are being scanned and you
can do on demand checks for USB media, etc.).



I do check the files I donwload from the web, regardless they are going
to be opened from windows or linux, e-mails are also scanned by means of
ClamAV and USB keys are not anutomatically mounted thus can be also
easily analyzed first.


That's the scenario I tried to point out above.


But it is easy to tell users that all files from those medias may be
evil. It's much harder to tell them that their programs might store
sensible data in a way that isn't secure. At least this is much harder
than for the FileZilla guys to store passwords encrypted.



Curiously enough is not only Filezilla who takes the path for not
encrypting the user credentials so there has to be a reason in behind for
that to happen so often...


Laziness? Why did last.fm stores the passwords of their users as 
MD5-Hash without salting them?



Anyway, aren't most of us still using plain pop3 and smtp connections
with no message encryption at all? Who are we blaming? ;-)


Most of my messages are not encrypted because the receiving end isn't 
capable of that. But my Credentials will only be transmitted when the 
connection is secure (even if the MTA is in the same network).



Again, there are files in my servers (e.g., ssl keys) and also my Mutt



SSL/SSH Keys should have a password or should be stored in some kind of
encrypted container.



IIRC you have to remove the password so Apache can make use of it so
finally the security relies on the file perms (only root can read it).


This is true for Apache SSL but in fact I don't care a lot about my 
HTTPS keyfiles, if they got compromised I revoke them. And if you really 
want to fake a certificate you might can have this easier through 
companies like DigiNotar.


SSL is pretty much snakeoil nowadays, but it's better than nothing.


An encrypted container wouldn't help a lot here, because I assume your
MUA is running most of the day, right? So the container has to be open

all the time and any malware could read

the file.



In my case it is launched on demand. My main MUA is Thunderbird.


Do you use a Master-Password? If so, then guess what? All your passwords 
stored in TB are saved encrypted. Nice feature, isn't it? ;)



Do you want us to remove the ethernet cord? ;-)



Would be a nice thing from a security point of view, that's why I
mentioned comfort and performance. :)



There's still dangerous USB flash drives and the always evil CD/DVD and
floppy disks... you never know.


Of course you have to get rid of those drives as well. Also your USB, 
Firewire and Thunderbolt

Re: Server monitoring

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:46:55 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 i want your suggestion in installting a centralized syslog server with
 web interface.
 there are many option on the web it is difficult for me to choose the
 right one, i am confuse which way to go. so my question to old pros is ,
 which Syslog server they like to suggest. and secondly i dont want to
 dadicate a full machine to Syslog i might want to install other
 opensource web base applications with it, such as  hardware inventory
 managment etc.

I was also to suggest rsyslog (installed by default) and LogAnalyzer 
or webmin; the latter can be useful (because of its modularity) if you 
want to run another services on the host and also keep a track of them.

Greetings,

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Re: Bridging eth0/br0 NetworkManager - can they coexist?

On 29/06/12 16:54, Camaleón wrote:
Ah, then maybe you don't need a bridge but a virtual addressing layout:

http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface

But that fixes the IP addresses both to my local network. The intended
NM approach was to allow the virtual network interfaces of virtual
machines the chance to pick up an IP address using DHCP whatever local
network they're on.

There are some bridging samples here:

http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2BAC8-etc.2BAC8-network.2BAC8-interfaces

Thanks. I did look at those. And by following that configuration:

# Set up interfaces manually, avoiding conflicts with, e.g., network
manager
iface eth0 inet manual

iface eth1 inet manual

# Bridge setup
iface br0 inet dhcp
bridge_ports eth0
^

(you still need a second interface to create the bridge)

That would seem to conflict with this:

http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking#public_bridge (Debian's way)

(notwithstanding it was published some time ago and not by a
Debian-focused organisation, but still, it's documentation... :)

... Network Manager cannot control eth0. Under Wired Networks it
reports Device not managed.

Yes, that's correct.

Hmm. Kinda doesn't fit the use case then :D

Why do you want N-M to be in charge of your network? It does not look
like a good approach if you are planning to use Debian as a VM host :-?

Because I have a multiplicity of networking requirements on my laptop.
I need VPN access, easy wireless configuration, and the ability to run
virtual machines with IP addresses on the local network (wherever I am).

It's not that clear, at least from a practical point of view :-)

Agreed. A conflict doesn't necessarily mean a mutex. That was just
what I was inferring, reading between the lines and all that...

My experience tells me that I better do not mix them.

My experience is becoming more like yours in Debian .. but less like
yours in Fedora (sorry, I said the F-word!).

I believe harmony is possible between NM and br0 - I'm just unsure of
the approach in Debian.

I think you still need to add a second interface to the bridge...

Would this second interface have to physically exist?

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: Filezilla a security risk


On 29.06.2012 17:38, Steve Dowe wrote:


At the same time, with all this talk of passwords stored as plain text
etc, it's not a great hurdle to set up a local, encrypted loopback
device that mounts in your local file system.  You could even mount it
at ~/.filezilla, and then run up FZ for the first time.


And afterwards I have to unmount the device. This might work rather fine 
on a Linux system but on Windows (and FZ is available for Windows)...


Also you have to know that FZ stores PW unencrypted and you need to know 
where this information has been stored.


It would be nicer if the application does this stuff automatically. And 
I don't care if they encrypt the passwords on their own or using some 
kind of Keychain-Tool like most of the Tools for MacOS do.


But storing plain text passwords is bad behaviour and anyone who do this 
have to be blamed for that.


Bye.


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Re: Server monitoring