date:20141229

Estoy tratando de bajar el repositorio de manjaro desde mi pc en debian y me 
da error el  comando rsync, he tratado de encontrar el error pero parece que 
mis neuronas hoy no dan para más.


el script es el siguiente:
#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'
# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=iso \
-exclude=x86_64 \
-exclude=images \
-exclude=other \
-exclude=release \
-exclude=unstable \
-exclude=testing \
mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ \
/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es el siguiente:

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
Unexpected remote arg: mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) [sender=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Alguien me podría dar un empujoncito a ver si puedo hechar a andar el 
script?


Desde ya Gracias

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Fw: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian

- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


Estoy tratando de bajar el repositorio de manjaro desde mi pc en debian y 
me da error el  comando rsync, he tratado de encontrar el error pero 
parece que mis neuronas hoy no dan para más.


el script es el siguiente:
#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 
'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'

# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=iso \
-exclude=x86_64 \
-exclude=images \
-exclude=other \
-exclude=release \
-exclude=unstable \
-exclude=testing \
mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ \
/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es el siguiente:

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
Unexpected remote arg: mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) [sender=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Alguien me podría dar un empujoncito a ver si puedo hechar a andar el 
script?


Desde ya Gracias

| ISMAEL |



Modifiqué el script quedando de la siguiente forma:

#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'
# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories
#-exclude=iso \
#-exclude=images \
#-exclude=other \

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=x86_64 \
#-exclude=release \
#-exclude=unstable \
#-exclude=testing \
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/ \
/manjaro/

Y ahora el error que me da es el siguiente:
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
sending incremental file list
rsync: link_stat /mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux/-delete-after failed: No 
such file or directory (2)


sent 12 bytes  received 12 bytes  48.00 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) 
(code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
rmanjaro.sh: 20: rmanjaro.sh: 
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/: not found

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Saludos Reiterados

| ISMAEL |




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Re: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian

- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: Fw: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


Estoy tratando de bajar el repositorio de manjaro desde mi pc en debian y 
me da error el  comando rsync, he tratado de encontrar el error pero 
parece que mis neuronas hoy no dan para más.


el script es el siguiente:
#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 
'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'

# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=iso \
-exclude=x86_64 \
-exclude=images \
-exclude=other \
-exclude=release \
-exclude=unstable \
-exclude=testing \
mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ \
/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es el siguiente:

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
Unexpected remote arg: mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) 
[sender=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Alguien me podría dar un empujoncito a ver si puedo hechar a andar el 
script?


Desde ya Gracias

| ISMAEL |



Modifiqué el script quedando de la siguiente forma:

#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 
'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'

# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories
#-exclude=iso \
#-exclude=images \
#-exclude=other \

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=x86_64 \
#-exclude=release \
#-exclude=unstable \
#-exclude=testing \
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/ \
/manjaro/

Y ahora el error que me da es el siguiente:
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
sending incremental file list
rsync: link_stat /mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux/-delete-after failed: No 
such file or directory (2)


sent 12 bytes  received 12 bytes  48.00 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) 
(code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
rmanjaro.sh: 20: rmanjaro.sh: 
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/: not found

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Saludos Reiterados

| ISMAEL |





He seguido probando ahora el script es:

rsync -arv \
--delete-after \
--exclude=x86_64 \
--exclude=testing \
--exclude=unstable \
http://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/ \
~/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es:
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
sending incremental file list
rsync: link_stat /mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux/-delete-after failed: No 
such file or directory (2)


sent 12 bytes  received 12 bytes  48.00 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) 
(code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
rmanjaro.sh: 20: rmanjaro.sh: http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/: not 
found

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: getaddrinfo: mirror.netzspielplatz.de 873: Name or service not known
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) 
[Receiver=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: -http://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/: unknown option
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1453) [client=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: Failed to exec xclude=unstable: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: error in IPC code (code 14) at pipe.c(84) [Receiver=3.0.9]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(605) 
[Receiver=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# man rsync
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
ssh: Could not resolve hostname http: Name or service not known
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [Receiver=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Saludos Reiterados

| ISMAEL |




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Re: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian

2014-12-29 Thread Unicred Campinas - Maiko Akihito Takemoto

- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: Fw: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


- Original Message - 
From: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian


Estoy tratando de bajar el repositorio de manjaro desde mi pc en debian 
y me da error el  comando rsync, he tratado de encontrar el error pero 
parece que mis neuronas hoy no dan para más.


el script es el siguiente:
#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 
'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'

# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=iso \
-exclude=x86_64 \
-exclude=images \
-exclude=other \
-exclude=release \
-exclude=unstable \
-exclude=testing \
mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ \
/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es el siguiente:

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
Unexpected remote arg: mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) 
[sender=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Alguien me podría dar un empujoncito a ver si puedo hechar a andar el 
script?


Desde ya Gracias

| ISMAEL |



Modifiqué el script quedando de la siguiente forma:

#!/bin/bash
# Sincroniza el repositorio de Arch del servidor 
'mirror.netzspielplatz.de'

# con el directorio /repositorio

# Definición de los parámetros usados:
#
# a, -archive - archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H)
# v, -verbose - increase verbosity
# r, -recursive - recurse into directories
#-exclude=iso \
#-exclude=images \
#-exclude=other \

rsync -arv \
-delete-after \
-exclude=x86_64 \
#-exclude=release \
#-exclude=unstable \
#-exclude=testing \
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/ \
/manjaro/

Y ahora el error que me da es el siguiente:
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
sending incremental file list
rsync: link_stat /mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux/-delete-after failed: 
No such file or directory (2)


sent 12 bytes  received 12 bytes  48.00 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) 
(code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
rmanjaro.sh: 20: rmanjaro.sh: 
http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/: not found

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Saludos Reiterados

| ISMAEL |





He seguido probando ahora el script es:

rsync -arv \
--delete-after \
--exclude=x86_64 \
--exclude=testing \
--exclude=unstable \
http://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/ \
~/manjaro/

Y el error que me da es:
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
sending incremental file list
rsync: link_stat /mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux/-delete-after failed: No 
such file or directory (2)


sent 12 bytes  received 12 bytes  48.00 bytes/sec
total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) 
(code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9]
rmanjaro.sh: 20: rmanjaro.sh: http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/: 
not found

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: getaddrinfo: mirror.netzspielplatz.de 873: Name or service not 
known
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) 
[Receiver=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: -http://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/: unknown option
rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1453) [client=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
rsync: Failed to exec xclude=unstable: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: error in IPC code (code 14) at pipe.c(84) [Receiver=3.0.9]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(605) 
[Receiver=3.0.9]

root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# man rsync
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh
ssh: Could not resolve hostname http: Name or service not known
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [Receiver=3.0.9]
root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux#

Saludos Reiterados

| ISMAEL |



Si pongo en el script:

rsync -arv \
--exclude=x86_64

Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema

2014-12-29 Thread Damián Naya



El 28/12/14 a las 14:18, Eduardo Rios escribió:

El 28/12/14 a las 13:49, Camaleón escribió:


Oye, acabo de ver que hay problemas de dependencias con el paquete de LO
de los backports, sería conveniente que esperaras a que lo arreglaran.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00037.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00038.html


Eso mismo voy a hacer yo. Esperar. No será tan importante ni urgente 
la actualización ;)


A ver si va a ser una inocentada por parte del equipo Debian... :-D




Solucionados los problemas de los backports, parece...
Me ha cargado la versión 4.3.3.2 de LibreOffice.

Por cierto, para los backports, he visto estos repositorios:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free

Y estos, donde solo se añade contrib:

deb _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib 
non-free


¿Qué es más correcto?



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Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema

2014-12-29 Thread Manolo Díaz

El lunes, 29 dic 2014, a las 23:22 horas (UTC+1),
Damián Naya escribió:


El 28/12/14 a las 14:18, Eduardo Rios escribió:
 El 28/12/14 a las 13:49, Camaleón escribió:

 Oye, acabo de ver que hay problemas de dependencias con el paquete de LO
 de los backports, sería conveniente que esperaras a que lo arreglaran.

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00037.html
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00038.html

 Eso mismo voy a hacer yo. Esperar. No será tan importante ni urgente 
 la actualización ;)

 A ver si va a ser una inocentada por parte del equipo Debian... :-D



Solucionados los problemas de los backports, parece...
Me ha cargado la versión 4.3.3.2 de LibreOffice.

Por cierto, para los backports, he visto estos repositorios:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free

Y estos, donde solo se añade contrib:

deb _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib 
non-free

¿Qué es más correcto?

El último: te evita problemas de dependencias si quieres instalar
paquetes de la sección non-free de backports de los que dependa alguno
de la sección contrib.

Por cierto, ¿necesitas los fuentes? En caso contrario, si solo
necesitas los binarios (lo más común con diferencia), puedes borrar las
entradas deb-src.

Saludos.
-- 
Manolo Díaz


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Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema

2014-12-29 Thread Damián Naya



El 29/12/14 a las 23:34, Manolo Díaz escribió:

El lunes, 29 dic 2014, a las 23:22 horas (UTC+1),
Damián Naya escribió:


El 28/12/14 a las 14:18, Eduardo Rios escribió:

El 28/12/14 a las 13:49, Camaleón escribió:


Oye, acabo de ver que hay problemas de dependencias con el paquete de LO
de los backports, sería conveniente que esperaras a que lo arreglaran.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00037.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00038.html

Eso mismo voy a hacer yo. Esperar. No será tan importante ni urgente
la actualización ;)

A ver si va a ser una inocentada por parte del equipo Debian... :-D



Solucionados los problemas de los backports, parece...
Me ha cargado la versión 4.3.3.2 de LibreOffice.

Por cierto, para los backports, he visto estos repositorios:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free

Y estos, donde solo se añade contrib:

deb _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib
non-free

¿Qué es más correcto?

El último: te evita problemas de dependencias si quieres instalar
paquetes de la sección non-free de backports de los que dependa alguno
de la sección contrib.

Por cierto, ¿necesitas los fuentes? En caso contrario, si solo
necesitas los binarios (lo más común con diferencia), puedes borrar las
entradas deb-src.

Saludos.


Muchísimas gracias !!!

Dejaré este repositorio entonces para los backports:
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free

Aprendiendo de vosotros... un novato encantado con Debian.

Salu2.


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[OT] gnome en wayland

2014-12-29 Thread Juan Lavieri


Hola listeros.

Hoy estaba intentando jugar un poco con gnome en wayland, pero no pude 
hacer nada ya que no me aparece el puntero del ratón por ningún lado.


Googleando un poco conseguí el reporte de algunos problemas 
relacionados con la velocidad del ratón y el touchpad, pero no pareciera 
tener relación con mi problema ya que en mi caso el puntero desapareció 
y cuando muevo  el ratón o el touchpad hay evidencia de dicho movimiento 
a la velocidad normal.


En concreto quisiera saber si alguien ha utilizado wayland bajo jessie y 
si tuvo que hacer algún ajuste para que funcionara.


Gracias.


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Re: Flash på debian

2014-12-29 Thread Flemming Bjerke


Tak!

flem

On 28-12-2014 14:01, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote:

Testet på debian Jessie med iceweasel 31.3.0 -

http://i.imgur.com/wErAVbo.png

Virker fint, med lyd og det hele. Får ingen advarsler.

Mvh Anders


Den 27-12-2014 kl. 18:23 skrev Flemming Bjerke:

Sådan har det også været for mig indtil for nylig. Nu kommer der en
surly hver gang, suk.

Anders, har du nogle problemer med at iceweasel giver en surly og vil
ikke bruge pluginet pga. sikkerhedshul.

flem

On 27-12-2014 14:01, Anders E. Andersen wrote:

Den 27-12-2014 kl. 12:47 skrev Flemming Bjerke:

Der er øjensynlig en bug i adobes flashplugin. Man bliver så henvist
til en adobeside der kræver en apturl ... og så går der ged i den ...
Jeg kan i hvert tilfælde ikke finde ud af at få en brugbar deb-pakke
frembragt. (Man kan selvfølgelig bruge tar-pakken, men så er man jo
ude på skråplanet ;-)

Hvad gør I andre når I f.eks. vil se youtube eller dr på debian, og må
have en brugbar flashplugin til iceweasel.



Har du prøvet flashplugin-nonfree fra contrib?

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree

Det plejer at virke for mig.

Mvh Anders











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Installation på Acer Extensa?

2014-12-29 Thread Jacob Sparre Andersen

Er der nogen af jer der kan pege på en god vejledning i at installere 
Debian på en Acer Extensa EX2509-C0YR?


Jeg er kommet så langt at jeg kan starte installationsprogrammet fra en 
USB-pind og vælge sprog og tastatur.


Det næste trin i processen (»Led efter cd-rom drev og montér cd«) 
fejler, og jeg kan heller ikke selv finde filsystemerne på USB-pinden 
fra installationsprogrammets kommandofortolker, så nu er gode råd dyre. :-(


På forhånd tak for hjælpen,

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Re: Installation på Acer Extensa?

2014-12-29 Thread Flemming Bjerke


Jeg bruger altid:
unetbootin
til at lave usb-pind. Installation plejer altid at virke (incl. 
CD-detektering) uden problemer. Også på de to billige Acer jeg har 
installeret debian på for nylig.


apt-get install unetbootin

På de to Acer var der for ubuntus vedkommende lige et trick med at den 
skulle have en særlig boot-partition (ikke /boot). Jeg brugte 5 MB. Det 
ser ud til fungere fint. Hvis man ikke gør det, booter den ikke hver 
gang. Jeg tror også problemet gør sig gældende for Debian (lidt usikker 
på det da den næsten blev genstartet, indtil den blev udsat for 'fysisk 
vold') - men det var altså en ubuntu-installation som gjorde mig 
opmærksom på sagen (da jeg havde manuelt partitioneret færdig!!!). Jeg 
har ofte både en ubuntu og debian installation på hver sin partition.


Du skal ikke regne med at wifi fungerer under installation, så slut til 
ethernet. Men hvis du installerer contrib og non-free, fungerer wifi nok 
efter installation og genstart.


flem

On 29-12-2014 22:09, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

Er der nogen af jer der kan pege på en god vejledning i at installere
Debian på en Acer Extensa EX2509-C0YR?

Jeg er kommet så langt at jeg kan starte installationsprogrammet fra en
USB-pind og vælge sprog og tastatur.

Det næste trin i processen (»Led efter cd-rom drev og montér cd«)
fejler, og jeg kan heller ikke selv finde filsystemerne på USB-pinden
fra installationsprogrammets kommandofortolker, så nu er gode råd dyre. :-(

På forhånd tak for hjælpen,

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Re: Installation på Acer Extensa?

2014-12-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard

Hej Jacob,

Quoting Jacob Sparre Andersen (2014-12-29 22:09:37)
 Er der nogen af jer der kan pege på en god vejledning i at installere 
 Debian på en Acer Extensa EX2509-C0YR?
 
 Jeg er kommet så langt at jeg kan starte installationsprogrammet fra 
 en USB-pind og vælge sprog og tastatur.
 
 Det næste trin i processen (»Led efter cd-rom drev og montér cd«) 
 fejler, og jeg kan heller ikke selv finde filsystemerne på USB-pinden 
 fra installationsprogrammets kommandofortolker, så nu er gode råd 
 dyre. :-(

Hvilken version af Debian prøver du at få installeret?

Installerer du med UEFI eller BIOS?  På nyere laptops der understøtter 
UEFI bør du prøve både med emuleret BIOS og UEFI (sammen med et nyligt 
snapshot af installationsrutinen).  Jeg har ikke meget erfaring med det, 
men såvidt jeg husker (da jeg testede for 6 måneder siden) fungerer 
nogle UEFI laptops kun med UEFI og nogle kun med BIOS emulering.

Hvilken installationsrutine bruger du, og hvordan har du puttet den på 
en USB-nøgle?  Modsat Flemming vil jeg foreslå dig først at prøve med 
det officielle netinst systemaftryk og kopiere det råt over på 
USB-nøglen med cat-kommandoen¹.


Mvh. Jonas


¹ dd-kommandoen kan også bruges, men det er en skrøne at den er bedre, 
og muligvis slider den endda hårdere på USB-nøglen, afhængigt af hvilke 
options der angives til dd kommandoen.

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Re: Zoneminder -- KITs CFTV

2014-12-29 Thread Rodrigo Cunha

Então Mario, mas pelo que eu vi, estas cameras tem um aparelho
concentrador, o que eu pensei em fazer era conectar, de alguma forma o
zoneminder nestes aparelhos.

Se isso fosse possível iria ser um excelente redutor de custos, porque
estas cameras são muito mais baratas e eu as utilizaria apenas para matar
pontos cegos.

No meu ambiente, eu consegui com uma certa facilidade implementar o zm para
cameras ip, são muito fáceis de se instalar pelo software.

Em 29 de dezembro de 2014 02:15, mario sergio kirdeika junior 
kirdeik...@gmail.com escreveu:

 oi Rodrigo

 então

 se vc tiver uma placa de captura, tipo as baseadas em bt878, com várias
 entradas de video voce vai poder usar estas cameras com a interface
 video4linux que está disponível na última versão do zm.

 isto numa instalação para pc. quanto ao gravador, precisa de mais
 informações se linux e zm podem ser instalados nele.

 se vc ainda vai comprar, leia mais sobre o zm. cameras ip sao as ideais.
  Em 27/12/2014 09:06, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Alguém ai sabe se tem como utilizar estes Kits de CFTV no zoneminder;
 Segue um modelo de exemplo:

 

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Re: laptop desligando

2014-12-29 Thread Antonio Terceiro

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 01:14:08AM +0100, G.Paulo wrote:
 Prezados,
 
 Tive insucesso com a instalação do Debian Wheezy num laptop e recorro a vocês 
 em busca de ajuda. Esse é o caso: um laptop Toshiba Sattelite A300. Desde 
 2008 utilizo nele o Debian Squeeze com bons resultados (era o testing da 
 época, hoje é old-stable). Como o usuário é meu filho (de 7 anos, que usa 
 para vídeos, web etc.) tive que fazer um upgrade porque o iceweassel era 
 versão antiga, alguns sites reclamavam, alguns travavam ... imaginem a dor de 
 cabeça.
 
 Fiz o upgrade para o Wheezy. Desde então, o computador passou a funcionar por 
 alguns minutos e desligar sozinho (não um shutdown regular, mas um turn-off 
 direto mesmo). Pensei que pudesse ser aquecimento e, por isso, limpei-o 
 (removi 6 anos de poeira), reapliquei pasta térmica etc., mas continuou 
 desligando sozinho, mesmo bootando em monousuário como root e sem rodar 
 qualquer aplicativo. Ao mesmo tempo, por sem um dua-boot, tem um Windows 
 Vista instalado (vade retro!) que funciona muito bem, durante horas ou dias. 
 Em suma, somente no Wheeze o problema aparece. Suspeito (sem muita base 
 técnica) que seja o kernel 3.2 (ao invés do velho 2.6) o responsável. 
 
 Alguma sugestão sobre o que fazer agora?

é possível que esteja superaquecendo, e é possível que seja um problema
com o kernel: em vários laptops o ventilador é controlado por software.

Tenta ver a saída do `dmesg`, especialmente se você conseguir as
entradas próximas ao horário em que ele desliga, pra confirmar.

tentar também abrir um terminal e logar a temperatura, com algo assim:

$ while true; do acpi --thermal; sleep 2; done

(ou qualquer outra coisa que te mostre a temperatura)

uma forma mais trabalhosas de testar isso é colocar o laptop com o
dissipador virado pra um ventilador bem forte, ou a saída de um ar
condicionado, pra evitar que ele superaqueça e ver se ele dura mais do
que o normal sem desligar.

confirmado o que problema é esse, talvez o kernel 3.2 tenha uma
regressão com o seu modelo específico de laptop. A primeira coisa que eu
faria seria tentar um kernel mais novo do backports.

Outra coisa que a essa altura é seguro de faer é atualizar para o jessie
que já está em freeze pra ser lançado muito em breve.

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Re: laptop desligando

2014-12-29 Thread Antonio Terceiro

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:55:48AM -0200, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 01:14:08AM +0100, G.Paulo wrote:
  Prezados,
  
  Tive insucesso com a instalação do Debian Wheezy num laptop e recorro a 
  vocês em busca de ajuda. Esse é o caso: um laptop Toshiba Sattelite A300. 
  Desde 2008 utilizo nele o Debian Squeeze com bons resultados (era o 
  testing da época, hoje é old-stable). Como o usuário é meu filho (de 7 
  anos, que usa para vídeos, web etc.) tive que fazer um upgrade porque o 
  iceweassel era versão antiga, alguns sites reclamavam, alguns travavam ... 
  imaginem a dor de cabeça.
  
  Fiz o upgrade para o Wheezy. Desde então, o computador passou a funcionar 
  por alguns minutos e desligar sozinho (não um shutdown regular, mas um 
  turn-off direto mesmo). Pensei que pudesse ser aquecimento e, por isso, 
  limpei-o (removi 6 anos de poeira), reapliquei pasta térmica etc., mas 
  continuou desligando sozinho, mesmo bootando em monousuário como root e sem 
  rodar qualquer aplicativo. Ao mesmo tempo, por sem um dua-boot, tem um 
  Windows Vista instalado (vade retro!) que funciona muito bem, durante horas 
  ou dias. Em suma, somente no Wheeze o problema aparece. Suspeito (sem muita 
  base técnica) que seja o kernel 3.2 (ao invés do velho 2.6) o responsável. 
  
  Alguma sugestão sobre o que fazer agora?
 
 é possível que esteja superaquecendo, e é possível que seja um problema
 com o kernel: em vários laptops o ventilador é controlado por software.

 
 Tenta ver a saída do `dmesg`, especialmente se você conseguir as
 entradas próximas ao horário em que ele desliga, pra confirmar.
 
 tentar também abrir um terminal e logar a temperatura, com algo assim:
 
 $ while true; do acpi --thermal; sleep 2; done
 
 (ou qualquer outra coisa que te mostre a temperatura)
 
 uma forma mais trabalhosas de testar isso é colocar o laptop com o
 dissipador virado pra um ventilador bem forte, ou a saída de um ar
 condicionado, pra evitar que ele superaqueça e ver se ele dura mais do
 que o normal sem desligar.

e claro, antes de tudo isso checar se o ventilador está rodando OK no
Windows;  se estiver OK lá e não estiver no Debian, o problema de
software está confirmado. :)

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Re: laptop desligando

2014-12-29 Thread P. J.

É realmente seria bom vc monitorar temperatura,

Verfificar se é problema de hardware ou software.

Já vi problemas semelhantes com fabricante HP com determinados modelos
de notes... já tentou usar com algum livecd por algum tempo para ver
se o problema persiste?

Em 29/12/14, Antonio Terceiroterce...@debian.org escreveu:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:55:48AM -0200, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 01:14:08AM +0100, G.Paulo wrote:
Prezados,

Tive insucesso com a instalação do Debian Wheezy num laptop e recorro a
vocês em busca de ajuda. Esse é o caso: um laptop Toshiba Sattelite
A300. Desde 2008 utilizo nele o Debian Squeeze com bons resultados (era
o testing da época, hoje é old-stable). Como o usuário é meu filho
(de 7 anos, que usa para vídeos, web etc.) tive que fazer um upgrade
porque o iceweassel era versão antiga, alguns sites reclamavam, alguns
travavam ... imaginem a dor de cabeça.

Fiz o upgrade para o Wheezy. Desde então, o computador passou a
funcionar por alguns minutos e desligar sozinho (não um shutdown
regular, mas um turn-off direto mesmo). Pensei que pudesse ser
aquecimento e, por isso, limpei-o (removi 6 anos de poeira), reapliquei
pasta térmica etc., mas continuou desligando sozinho, mesmo bootando em
monousuário como root e sem rodar qualquer aplicativo. Ao mesmo tempo,
por sem um dua-boot, tem um Windows Vista instalado (vade retro!) que
funciona muito bem, durante horas ou dias. Em suma, somente no Wheeze o
problema aparece. Suspeito (sem muita base técnica) que seja o kernel
3.2 (ao invés do velho 2.6) o responsável.

Alguma sugestão sobre o que fazer agora?

é possível que esteja superaquecendo, e é possível que seja um problema
com o kernel: em vários laptops o ventilador é controlado por software.

Tenta ver a saída do `dmesg`, especialmente se você conseguir as
entradas próximas ao horário em que ele desliga, pra confirmar.

tentar também abrir um terminal e logar a temperatura, com algo assim:

$ while true; do acpi --thermal; sleep 2; done

(ou qualquer outra coisa que te mostre a temperatura)

uma forma mais trabalhosas de testar isso é colocar o laptop com o
dissipador virado pra um ventilador bem forte, ou a saída de um ar
condicionado, pra evitar que ele superaqueça e ver se ele dura mais do
que o normal sem desligar.

e claro, antes de tudo isso checar se o ventilador está rodando OK no
Windows; se estiver OK lá e não estiver no Debian, o problema de
software está confirmado. :)

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Re: MTP

2014-12-29 Thread Flavio Menezes dos Reis

Gurizada,

Eu tenho utilizado o jmtpfs (linha de comando) e gostado muito. Além disto
reconhece o meu ASUS Zenfone 5, coisa que o gmtp não faz.

Att.e,

Em 24 de dezembro de 2014 13:32, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro 
marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Quando eu tiver um tempo vou trocar tudo pelo Jessie e não me preocupar
 mais com essa história.

 Obrigado a todos pelas dicas e orientações.

 Atenciosamente,
 Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro.
 http://about.me/Doideira
 Em 24/12/2014 11:33, Paulo Roberto Evangelista shellcl...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Essa não é a única diferença amigo! Essa é TODA a diferença! No debian 7
 não tem suporte MTP legal. A única solução que encontrei e que funcione
 legal é essa. Se você usa o debian Jessie, então não deve haver problema
 algum pois ele já suporta MTP nativo.

 Em 24 de dezembro de 2014 10:24, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Velho, não precisa essa volta toda, eu usei no gnome tb, praticamente
 só instalo o gmtp, agora eu tenho instalado o gvfs-backend, mas era
 para outra coisa, montar pastas compartilhadas M$-Windows com o
 cliente do samba.

 A única diferença é q eu uso o Debian Jessie, tanto com o nautilus no
 gnome e xfce não tenho problemas, se tiver oportunidade experimente o
 Debian Jessie, ele já faz algum tempo que está congelado.

 Em 23/12/14, Paulo Roberto Evangelistashellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Você vai precisar instalar as dependências e em seguida executar o
 binário
  que está disponível para download no site. O procedimento é simples e
  funciona no debian wheezy perfeitamente. Outro detalhe que não informa
 no
  site é que para utilizar o comando com qualquer outro usuário que NÂO
 seja
  o usuário root, você terá que adicioná-lo ao grupo 'fuse'
 
  Por exemplo:
  #gpasswd -a paulo fuse
 
  Em seguida faça novamente login no sistema e execute o comando para
 montar
  o dispositivo, conforme as instruções do site do desenvolvedor.
 
  USAGE
 
mkdir xoom
go-mtpfs xoom 
cp -a ~/Music/Some-Album xoom/Music/
fusermount -u xoom
 
 
  Boa sorte.
 
 
  Em 23 de dezembro de 2014 14:54, Paulo Roberto Evangelista 
  shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:
 
  Após executar as instruções, conforme o site do desenvolvedor, você
 vai
  poder acessar o dispositivo no terminal ou de qualquer navegador de
  arquivos, pois o ponto de montagem é definido por você. Eu utilizo e
  funciona. Utilizei durante muito tempo com meu Moto G e agora estou
  utilizando com meu Moto X 2014, sem problema algum.
 
  Em 23 de dezembro de 2014 14:26, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro 
  marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu:
 
  Paulo Roberto, esse go-mtpfs vai fazer o dispositvo aparecer no
 nautilus
  (por exemplo)? Ou vou ter que ficar utilizando terminal para
 gerenciar
  os
  arquivos?
  Já encontrei problemas logo de cara nas instruções Install libmtp
  header
  files o pacote mostrado no exemplo (do ubuntu, imagino) não tem no
  repositórios do debian.
 
  Realmente, Márcio, o gvfs já estava instalado... e não achei nada com
  gvfs-mtp em http://backports.debian.org/Packages/
 
  Sério, é muito transtorno para algo que parece mega simples em outros
  ambiantes/sistemas. =/
 
  - - - ·
  Atenciosamente,
 
  Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro
  http://about.me/Doideira
  http://pt.gravatar.com/marciovinicius
 
  Em 23 de dezembro de 2014 15:09, Márcio de Araújo Benedito 
  china...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:
 
  Você precisará do gvfs-mtp, que não está nos repositórios oficiais
 da
  distribuição estável. Talvez alguém tenha feito um backport, dê uma
  procurada.
 
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Em Terça-feira, 23 de Dezembro de 2014 15:00, Márcio Vinícius
  Pinheiro marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu:
 
 
  Só o thunar, não adianta, talvez eu tivesse que instalar todo o
 xfce.
  Programa em java só pra isso não faz muito sentido pra mim (eu
  realmente
  quero distância de Java, e aparentemente o Java também quer
 distância
  do
  Linux ou o Linux dele). Instalei tudo que tinha mtp no nome e nada
  serve.
  Nem o mtp-tools funcionou. O único que ainda lê o Moto G é o gMTP e,
  como
  eu disse, muito mal.
 
  Vou tentar instalar esse tal gvfs (havia descartado, por que andei
  lendo
  por aí que para ele funcionar com MTP precisaria de um pacote
  específico
  gvfs-mtp que não tem nos repositórios do debian).
 
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  Atenciosamente,
 
  Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro
  http://about.me/Doideira
  http://pt.gravatar.com/marciovinicius
 
  Em 23 de dezembro de 2014 14:23, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
 
  Pode ser que sim, porque eu uso o Debian 7, e faço transferências de
  arquivos do Android pro Debian sem problemas, inclusive deleto,
 movo,
  copio
  sem dificuldades e sem lentidão

Re: laptop desligando

2014-12-29 Thread G.Paulo

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:55:48 -0200
Antonio Terceiro terce...@debian.org wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 01:14:08AM +0100, G.Paulo wrote:
  Prezados,
  
  Tive insucesso com a instalação do Debian Wheezy num laptop e
  recorro a vocês em busca de ajuda. Esse é o caso: um laptop Toshiba
  Sattelite A300. Desde 2008 utilizo nele o Debian Squeeze com bons
  resultados (era o testing da época, hoje é old-stable). Como o
  usuário é meu filho (de 7 anos, que usa para vídeos, web etc.) tive
  que fazer um upgrade porque o iceweassel era versão antiga, alguns
  sites reclamavam, alguns travavam ... imaginem a dor de cabeça.
  
  Fiz o upgrade para o Wheezy. Desde então, o computador passou a
  funcionar por alguns minutos e desligar sozinho (não um shutdown
  regular, mas um turn-off direto mesmo). Pensei que pudesse ser
  aquecimento e, por isso, limpei-o (removi 6 anos de poeira),
  reapliquei pasta térmica etc., mas continuou desligando sozinho,
  mesmo bootando em monousuário como root e sem rodar qualquer
  aplicativo. Ao mesmo tempo, por sem um dua-boot, tem um Windows
  Vista instalado (vade retro!) que funciona muito bem, durante horas
  ou dias. Em suma, somente no Wheeze o problema aparece. Suspeito
  (sem muita base técnica) que seja o kernel 3.2 (ao invés do velho
  2.6) o responsável. 
  
  Alguma sugestão sobre o que fazer agora?
 
 é possível que esteja superaquecendo, e é possível que seja um
 problema com o kernel: em vários laptops o ventilador é controlado
 por software.
 
 Tenta ver a saída do `dmesg`, especialmente se você conseguir as
 entradas próximas ao horário em que ele desliga, pra confirmar.
 
 tentar também abrir um terminal e logar a temperatura, com algo assim:
 
 $ while true; do acpi --thermal; sleep 2; done
 
 (ou qualquer outra coisa que te mostre a temperatura)
 
 uma forma mais trabalhosas de testar isso é colocar o laptop com o
 dissipador virado pra um ventilador bem forte, ou a saída de um ar
 condicionado, pra evitar que ele superaqueça e ver se ele dura mais do
 que o normal sem desligar.
 
 confirmado o que problema é esse, talvez o kernel 3.2 tenha uma
 regressão com o seu modelo específico de laptop. A primeira coisa que
 eu faria seria tentar um kernel mais novo do backports.
 
 Outra coisa que a essa altura é seguro de faer é atualizar para o
 jessie que já está em freeze pra ser lançado muito em breve.
 
Obrigado, meus caros, pelo retorno. Eis, agora, o meu retorno:

De fato, havia inicialmente superaquecimento. Por isso, há alguns dias, 
desmontei o laptop, limpei muita poeira e reapliquei pasta térmica. A 
temperatura antes chegava a +85 C, que era o valor crítico do processador. 
Agora fica em torno de +50 C em repouso. Mas era justamente nesta nova condição 
que o Debian Wheezy falhava (o laptop desligava). Para verificar a temperatura 
utilizei /usr/bin/sensors.

Alias, o ventilador deste laptop Toshiba sempre funcionou a plena carga com 
Linux. Já com Windows, ele modula a velocidade de acordo com a temperatura do 
momento. Mais ainda, na minha limitada experiência, Linux e Toshiba formam um 
casamento turbulento e trabalhoso...

Fiz um dist-upgrade, removi o Gnome (o Gnome 3 do Wheezy sempre me causou 
problemas, por isso só uso o excelente Fluxbox em outro laptop). Depois disso, 
*parece* que está funcionando normalmente, mas preciso de alguns dias mais para 
ter certeza. Inclusive submetê-lo-ei a um stress-test nas mãos de gente da 
pesada (meu filho de 7 anos). Se não funcionar, farei upgrade para o Jessie. Se 
não der certo, farei teste com algum liveCD. Quem sabe, experimentarei o 
Trisquel.

É isso. Obrigado pelas sugestões. Se tiver novidades, darei notícias.

[]'s, G.Paulo.





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Re: Possible incompatibility between wheezy gnome and wheezy-backports libreoffice

2014-12-29 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardía


Sorry, I was too fast: 1:4.3.3-2~bpo70+2 didn't make it yet to the
repositories, so I was simply repeating the same thing. Will get for
this fix before trying again upgrading.

Thanks to all who responded.
Cheers,

   Miguel

El 28/12/14 a las 22:37, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía escribió:
 
 Hi,
 
 Not true in the case that I reported. Even after apt-get update, I get
 the same messages and gnome is marked to be removed... Looks like a
 different problem that the one found by Chris.
 
 Cheers,
 
Miguel
 
 El 28/12/14 a las 19:17, Sven Joachim escribió:
 On 2014-12-28 18:40 +0100, Chris Swenson wrote:

 I'm having the same issue with libreoffice. I cannot upgrade it because
 it is looking for libc6 = 2.19, which is unavailable. It appears it was
 compiled with libc6 at this version instead of the one available in
 debian (2.13-38+deb7u6). Perhaps we should contact the libreoffice
 maintainers?

 That's probably not necessary, this mistake seems to have been corrected
 in version 1:4.3.3-2~bpo70+2[1].

 Cheers,
Sven


 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-changes/2014/12/msg00043.html


 
 


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Re: wifi connection tool?

2014-12-29 Thread Hans

Did you read this article?

http://www.linuxx.eu/2014/03/automatically-reconnect-wifi-debian.html

There is another blog, you might find interesting:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/reconnect-to-wireless-network-386754/

And last but not least, maybe this blog might bve also usefull:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8580879

Good luck!

Hans


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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
 10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
 another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible, but
 since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.

 Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
 for it.

 I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
 problem
 :)

 Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really solve the
 core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram) instead
 of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?

 Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

 A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be, is an
 entirely different question.

 Lisi



 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.
 
 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.


Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.


Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric
 

This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
you started complaining about the thread.

Jerry


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Re: Debian on iBook G4 Running OSX Tiger

2014-12-29 Thread Joel Rees

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
Graham Todd wrote:
I have recently obtained a Mac iBook G4 running OSX Tiger, and after
very good experiences
using Debian on a Windows laptop, I tried to get my head round the
instructions without success, I wonder if some kind soul could give me
easy instructions on how to install it on a Mac iBook G4.

I found this:

https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac

Wow. That's old and not very informative.

The link on that page to the installation guide does get you more
up-to-date information, however:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/

Shoot. That has a lot of old information in it, too. And I think all
the people who could update it are busy or have left, or both (like
me).

Still, take the hour or two to scan through that and note the stuff
that seems to be PPC specific. You won't understand the openfirmware
notes, I suppose, but read them anyway.

cheers,

I dont have any Tiger installation disks

Well, that's no fun.

Does Tiger boot? Do you trust it not to have malware that would
install backdoors on Linux installation CDs?

If you use Mac OS to download and burn he install CDs, you need to be
careful how you do it. The easy way to save an install imge to a CD
or DVD ends up just saving an install image to a CD or DVD. I think
you have similar problems on MSWindows systems.

I think my memory tells me that you can right-click the image file and
get a menu that inlcudes the option to burn the image to disk. Or
select the image file and look in the menu bar menus for an entry that
says it will burn the image to disk. I think there's one other way,
but it's not coming to me, and, frankly, I'm demotivated to try
installing Jessie on my one remaining functional PPC Mac to remind
myself how.

I think you can burn the install CD on a Linux system without too much
fuss. CDs are cheap enough, give it a try.

and I'm not sure if any
specific versions of Debian are required.

No. Any version that includes PPC should fly. I've done it with wheezy
and squeeze.

I intent to partition the
hard drive for Debian only.

That eases things up a bit.

Can this be done

Of course.

and can easily understood instructions be referred to
to help me?

Don't think too hard about it, for starters.

Now that you've read the stuff on the debian site tell yourself it's
mostly old information. If you can get the network install image
burned on a CD properly, boot it with the magic keys.

(What were those? oh, yeah, according to my ancient blog post about
doing this with Fedora on a clamshell, it's just holding the C key
down while the machine boots with the install CD in the CD drive. If
you are interested, that post is here:

http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2009/05/fedora-on-old-clamshell-ibook.html

It may explain some things, may confuse you with unnecesary information.)

Once the installer is booted, just answer the questions. Since you
don't want to dual-boot, you really shouldn't have to pay too much
attention to things. Don't worry that it seems to need one or two more
partitions than it should, you won't run short of partitions. Don't
worry about openfirmware, the way they have it set up to relay through
the partitions should make booting automatic.

Oh, there is a PowerPC list for debian. I'll cross-post this to it, to
save you some trouble finding it.

And have fun.

bGraham Todd/b
-
Joel Roth

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New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi

Hello,

I succesfully updated my Squeeze's Kernel version from 2.6 to 3.2, but
after restarting the system its all after booting the black screen...

When I delete the xorg.conf it loads the screen with a minimal resolution
and loads the desktop, but I would like to use this  - my previous fully
working - xorg.conf:

# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings:  version 295.59  (
buildmeis...@swio-display-x86-rhel47-05.nvidia.com)  Wed Jun  6 22:30:33
PDT 2012

Section ServerLayout
Identifier Layout0
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
Option Xinerama 0
EndSection

Section Files
EndSection

Section InputDevice
# generated from default
Identifier Mouse0
Driver mouse
Option Protocol auto
Option Device /dev/psaux
Option Emulate3Buttons no
Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
EndSection

Section InputDevice
# generated from default
Identifier Keyboard0
Driver kbd
EndSection

Section Monitor
# HorizSync source: xconfig, VertRefresh source: xconfig
Identifier Monitor0
VendorName Unknown
ModelName  CRT-0
HorizSync   30.0 - 82.0
VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0
Option DPMS
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier Device0
Driver nvidia
VendorName NVIDIA Corporation
BoardName  GeForce 8600 GT
BusID  PCI:5:0:0
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Device0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth24
Option TwinView 1
Option TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder CRT-0
Option metamodes CRT-0: 1920x1080 +1440+0, CRT-1:
nvidia-auto-select +0+0
SubSection Display
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection

Please help with use this configurations with my new kernel!

Re: wifi connection tool?

2014-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On 2014-12-29 12:04:24 +0100, Hans wrote:
 Did you read this article?
 
 http://www.linuxx.eu/2014/03/automatically-reconnect-wifi-debian.html

This is for Network Manager (which I'm not using since it handles
the full network configuration, but I already have my own for
Ethernet, and I don't want it to be broken).

 There is another blog, you might find interesting:
 
 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/reconnect-to-wireless-network-386754/

It seems to be for a machine that uses wifi only.

 And last but not least, maybe this blog might bve also usefull:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8580879

It suggests either Network Manager (not OK) or wicd (buggy).

Now, concerning wicd, I've written a patch last night (the upstream
one doesn't solve the problem), and I'm still waiting for the next
disconnection to see if it works...

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Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Hans

Hi Gabor,

you might need to build new kernel modules for nvidia cards.
The easiest way is to install nvidia-kernel-dkms and module-assistant. 

The command m-a gives you a nice ncurses gui, where you can easily prepare 
your system. It will then download and install all needed packages.

After that it should automatically build and install the nvidia-kernel module.

Make sure, you have the nvidia-glx-package installed ( I am not sure, the 
package ios called ligbgl1-nvidia-glx, depending on your card).

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

Hans



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Re: Debian on iBook G4 Running OSX Tiger

2014-12-29 Thread Herminio Hernandez Jr.

If you are looking for debian install walk through for PPC then checkout these
two places.

http://ppcluddite.blogspot.com/

And

http://powerpcliberation.blogspot.ca/2013/07/quick-and-dirty-light-and-fast.html

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

I found this:

https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac

Wow. That's old and not very informative.

The link on that page to the installation guide does get you more
up-to-date information, however:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/

Shoot. That has a lot of old information in it, too. And I think all
the people who could update it are busy or have left, or both (like
me).

Still, take the hour or two to scan through that and note the stuff
that seems to be PPC specific. You won't understand the openfirmware
notes, I suppose, but read them anyway.

cheers,

I dont have any Tiger installation disks

Well, that's no fun.

Does Tiger boot? Do you trust it not to have malware that would
install backdoors on Linux installation CDs?

I think you can burn the install CD on a Linux system without too much
fuss. CDs are cheap enough, give it a try.

and I'm not sure if any
specific versions of Debian are required.

No. Any version that includes PPC should fly. I've done it with wheezy
and squeeze.

I intent to partition the
hard drive for Debian only.

That eases things up a bit.

Can this be done

Of course.

and can easily understood instructions be referred to
to help me?

Don't think too hard about it, for starters.

Now that you've read the stuff on the debian site tell yourself it's
mostly old information. If you can get the network install image
burned on a CD properly, boot it with the magic keys.

http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2009/05/fedora-on-old-clamshell-ibook.html

It may explain some things, may confuse you with unnecesary information.)

Oh, there is a PowerPC list for debian. I'll cross-post this to it, to
save you some trouble finding it.

And have fun.

bGraham Todd/b
-
Joel Roth

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Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Curt

On 2014-12-29, Gábor Hársfalvi hgab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I succesfully updated my Squeeze's Kernel version from 2.6 to 3.2, but
 after restarting the system its all after booting the black screen...


You need to update your nvidia driver as Hans has suggested.

Here's a helpful wiki that could light the way:

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers


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Re: /var/lib/dpkg/status strangeness

2014-12-29 Thread Simon Bell

 SMART Error Log Version: 1
 No Errors Logged
 
 SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
 Num  Test_DescriptionStatus  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  
 LBA_of_first_error
 # 1  Short offline   Completed without error   00% 14025 -
 # 2  Extended offlineCompleted without error   00% 14024 -

That all looks good.

 It still seems like a big coincidence that the word airdrawndagger
 appeared there as this machine never in it's life saw that
 wifi. Although The smart TV it's connected to via HDMI did...

It is strange.  I don't know what more to suggest.  And apparently no
one else does either because there are no other comments.

Among the last hints I can provide would be to install mcelog to make
sure that any machine check exceptions are logged.

  # apt-get install mcelog

It would also be possible to 'grep' through your swap partition just
to see if there are interesting things there.  For example if you
found airdrawndagger there or other things then that could be a
useful clue that it came through there.  For example, I am just
brainstorming, haven't thought about it much:

  # LC_ALL=C grep -a airdrawndagger /dev/mapper/v1-swap
Or perhaps:
  # strings /dev/mapper/v1-swap | grep airdrawndagger

But since then it could have been overwritten too.  So even if nothing
found it doesn't say much.  Again, to me this feels like flaky
hardware more than anything else.

 Is it too paranoid to consider some kind of malware from another
 machine on the network?

Some would say that it is impossible to be too paranoid.  But it is
all a long gray scale.  It all depends.  If this is simply your
desktop and it lives on a private home network then I probably
wouldn't be too paranoid.  If you are running a banking system and it
is handling credit card data on the hostile Internet then for that I
would be quite a bit more paranoid.  It all depends.

It doesn't feel like an attack since an attacker would have no
knowledge of that old wifi ssid either.  So at least not directly
using that data.  So far too many unknowns.

I still think that somehow the string was still in the swap partition
of the disk after all of this time and therefore got sucked into
memory that way somehow.  I think if we knew exactly how it happened
we would be amazed at the coincidences needed to have it occur.

It feels more like a random machine failure due to the consumer grade
hardware which we are all using these days.  It isn't required to run
faster than the bear.  It is only required to run faster than the
other person who is also running from the bear.  Therefore hardware
vendors don't make great reliable Unix server quality hardware these
days.  Instead it is mosly MS quality hardware.  Almost no desktops
have parity anymore for example.  Because of this the hardware just
isn't ultimately reliable.  You will drive yourself crazy if you try
to chase down every odd thing.

Bob

Thanks a lot, I'll defo get mcelog installed


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Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi

Hi all,

I did all what the Hans and the wiki-site suggested - Installed dkms, and
the header file too - and it updated the initramfs too.

But after restarting I still get the black screen :(

If I booted to the previous working - kernel 2.6 version - with grub it
succesfully load my xorg.conf.

Please Help

2014-12-29 17:38 GMT+01:00 Curt cu...@free.fr:

 On 2014-12-29, Gábor Hársfalvi hgab...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  I succesfully updated my Squeeze's Kernel version from 2.6 to 3.2, but
  after restarting the system its all after booting the black screen...
 

 You need to update your nvidia driver as Hans has suggested.

 Here's a helpful wiki that could light the way:

 https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers


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Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Diogene Laerce


On 12/29/2014 06:19 PM, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote:
 Hi all,

 I did all what the Hans and the wiki-site suggested - Installed dkms,
 and the header file too - and it updated the initramfs too.

 But after restarting I still get the black screen :(

 If I booted to the previous working - kernel 2.6 version - with grub
 it succesfully load my xorg.conf.

Did you clean before : apt-get --purge remove nvidia* ?
Or either try to install with the proprietary script from nvidia website ?

Anyway its always a good idea to do a good sweep before. ;)

Good luck

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Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(

2014-12-29 Thread Hans

Am Montag, 29. Dezember 2014, 18:19:52 schrieb Gábor Hársfalvi:
 Hi all,
 
 I did all what the Hans and the wiki-site suggested - Installed dkms, and
 the header file too - and it updated the initramfs too.
 
 But after restarting I still get the black screen :(
 
 If I booted to the previous working - kernel 2.6 version - with grub it
 succesfully load my xorg.conf.
 
 Please Help
 
To clear things: Do you get blank screen while booting, or when the graphics 
driver is loaded.

In the first case, it might help, to delete the nouveau module of the kernel 
(alternatively move it out of the way).

It might also be, that the initrd does not include the right vesa driver or 
the nvidia driver is still not in the initramdisk.

To say more to this, we need more information.

1. Do you use grub-legacy or grub-pc?

2. Try to add or remove the vga=XXX option in the grub commandline and see 
what happens.

3. Try to remove the nvidia-kernel-module and add the nouveau kernel module 
instead and see what happens.

--

If you mean, there is a blank screen when the graphic driver is loaded, try 
this:

1. Remove nouveau (as above)

2. Move /etc/init.d/kdm (gdm,xdm) what ever out of the way. When you are in 
command prompt, you can do a startx and see the message output.

What graphic chip do you use? The command lspci is telling more.

Good luck

Hans



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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:

On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible, but
since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.


Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
for it.


I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
problem
:)


Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really solve the
core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram) instead
of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?


Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be, is an
entirely different question.

Lisi




Lisi,

While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
appreciate people trying to help out.

And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
every one has made the decision to switch yet.


What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.



Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
software they are.


Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
better.



Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
will happen at the worst possible time.


Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric



This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
you started complaining about the thread.


There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature. 
When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO 
not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it 
is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as 
the process is for your own good.


It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows 
server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite 
awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it 
and suffered. I know I did.


But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process 
half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a 
feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric




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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
you started complaining about the thread.


I don't think I'm the only one complaining about this Saint Jude lost 
cause. If only we put as much effort into World Peace. :) Ric


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multiple versions of python

2014-12-29 Thread Boruch Baum

Hello everyone,

I'm preparing two bug reports, and in trying to sort one of them out, it
seems that it may be linked to an incompatibility of a script with
python2.7 (see bug #659831). So, in test that possibility, what I would
like to do is install some other version of python (I see 2.5 and 2.6 in
the repositories), in order to see whether the package works with
another version.

My questions revolve around how time-consuming and worthwhile this
exercise will be:

1] Can I have multiple versions of python simultaneously?

2] Is there a way to specify that one package use a non-default version
of python? (I don't want to set an old version of python as default, if
that risks having other packages, depending on 2.7, break).

3] Is this a quick, straightforward install? Or is it going to be
something like an emacs install, with all kinds of time-consuming,
interminable local compilations and configurations?

Please respond to me directly, and on list. Thanks.

For background, the python bug is in package reportbug, WHEN BEING USED
IN TEXT MODE (See below for version information):

$ reportbug --ui=text libpam-mount

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/reportbug, line 38, in module
from reportbug import utils
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/reportbug/utils.py, line 70,
in module
import debbugs
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/reportbug/debbugs.py, line 40,
in module
import debianbts
  File /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/debianbts.py, line 33, in module
import SOAPpy
  File usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/SOAPpy__init__.py, line 5, in
module
from Client  import *
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/SOAPpy/Client.py, line 59, in
module
from Parser  import parseSOAPRPC
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/SOAPpy/Parser.py, line 10, in
module
from wstools.XMLname import fromXMLname
  File usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wstools__init__.py, line 6,
in module
import WSDLTools
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wstools/WSDLTools.py, line 15,
in module
from Utility import Collection, CollectionNS, DOM, ElementProxy,
basejoin
  File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wstools/Utility.py, line 30,
in module
from httplib import HTTPConnection, HTTPSConnection
ImportError: cannot import name HTTPSConnection



dpkg -l |grep reportbug
4715:ii  python-reportbug
6.6.1  all  Python modules for
interacting with bug tracking systems
4951:ii  reportbug
6.6.1  all  reports bugs in the
Debian distribution



dpkg -l |grep python2.7
3170:ii  libpython2.7:amd64
2.7.8-11   amd64Shared Python
runtime library (version 2.7)
3171:ii  libpython2.7-dbg:amd64
2.7.8-11   amd64Debug Build of the
Python Interpreter (version 2.7)
3172:ii  libpython2.7-dev:amd64
2.7.8-11   amd64Header files and a
static library for Python (v2.7)
3173:ii  libpython2.7-minimal:amd64
2.7.8-11   amd64Minimal subset of
the Python language (version 2.7)
3174:ii  libpython2.7-stdlib:amd64
2.7.8-11   amd64Interactive
high-level object-oriented language (standard library, version 2.7)
4795:ii  python2.7
2.7.8-11   amd64Interactive
high-level object-oriented language (version 2.7)
4796:ii  python2.7-dbg
2.7.8-11   amd64Debug Build of the
Python Interpreter (version 2.7)
4797:ii  python2.7-dev
2.7.8-11   amd64Header files and a
static library for Python (v2.7)
4798:ii  python2.7-doc
2.7.8-11   all  Documentation for
the high-level object-oriented language Python (v2.7)
4799:ii  python2.7-examples
2.7.8-11   all  Examples for the
Python language (v2.7)
4800:ii  python2.7-minimal
2.7.8-11   amd64Minimal subset of
the Python language (version 2.7)





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On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

...

 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.

 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.

 Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
 my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
 are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
 something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
 before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
 software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.

 Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
 the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
 It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
 will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric

 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.

There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature. 
When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO 
not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it 
is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as 
the process is for your own good.

It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows 
server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag,

Question about MultiArch and dependencies

Hi,

On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
want to install xterm along with steam.

Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
without pulling xterm in ?

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Gary Dale


On 29/12/14 03:35 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote:

Hi,

On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
want to install xterm along with steam.

Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
without pulling xterm in ?


Apparently not.


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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit :
 On 29/12/14 03:35 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
 Hi,

 On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
 x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
 provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
 want to install xterm along with steam.

 Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
 without pulling xterm in ?

 Apparently not.

Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot !

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Re: multiple versions of python

2014-12-29 Thread Alex Mestiashvili


On 12/29/2014 09:17 PM, Boruch Baum wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm preparing two bug reports, and in trying to sort one of them out, it
seems that it may be linked to an incompatibility of a script with
python2.7 (see bug #659831). So, in test that possibility, what I would
like to do is install some other version of python (I see 2.5 and 2.6 in
the repositories), in order to see whether the package works with
another version.

My questions revolve around how time-consuming and worthwhile this
exercise will be:

1] Can I have multiple versions of python simultaneously?

2] Is there a way to specify that one package use a non-default version
of python? (I don't want to set an old version of python as default, if
that risks having other packages, depending on 2.7, break).

3] Is this a quick, straightforward install? Or is it going to be
something like an emacs install, with all kinds of time-consuming,
interminable local compilations and configurations?

Please respond to me directly, and on list. Thanks.


It sounds like you need virtualenv: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv

Regards,
Alex


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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-12-29 21:35 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:

 On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
 x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
 provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
 want to install xterm along with steam.

 Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
 without pulling xterm in ?

No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as
Multi-Arch: foreign and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of
packages from a different architecture[1].

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields


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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Bob Proulx

Sven Joachim wrote:
 Raphaël Halimi wrote:
  On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
  x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
  provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
  want to install xterm along with steam.
 
  Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
  without pulling xterm in ?
 
 No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as
 Multi-Arch: foreign and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of
 packages from a different architecture[1].

Interesting.  I am learning about multi-arch.  Does this mean that
mate-terminal should be marked as foreign and it was simply something
that was missed there?  Or is not being marked foreign an intentional
choice here so that (in the above amd64 + i386 example) it doesn't
pull in an entire i386 desktop?

Bob


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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

Le 29/12/2014 22:31, Sven Joachim a écrit :
 On 2014-12-29 21:35 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
 
 On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
 x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
 provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
 want to install xterm along with steam.

 Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
 without pulling xterm in ?
 
 No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as
 Multi-Arch: foreign and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of
 packages from a different architecture[1].
 
 Cheers,
Sven
 
 
 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields

Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand
correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ? Is there a way
to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the
source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it.

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-12-29 22:45 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:

 Le 29/12/2014 22:31, Sven Joachim a écrit :
 On 2014-12-29 21:35 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
 
 On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
 x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
 provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
 want to install xterm along with steam.

 Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
 without pulling xterm in ?
 
 No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as
 Multi-Arch: foreign and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of
 packages from a different architecture[1].

 Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand
 correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ?

Yes, mate-terminal could probably safely be marked as
Multi-Arch: foreign.  Feel free to file a bug for that.

 Is there a way
 to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the
 source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it.

If the Multi-Arch field is present, apt-cache displays it.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?

2014-12-29 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd like
to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in PlayOnLinux's
list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

I could use help, advice, warnings or pointers to a better place to get
help.

Thanks

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

Le 29/12/2014 23:05, Sven Joachim a écrit :
 Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand
 correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ?
 
 Yes, mate-terminal could probably safely be marked as
 Multi-Arch: foreign.  Feel free to file a bug for that.

That's what I intended, but I had a doubt about which package, hence the
original post.

 Is there a way
 to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the
 source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it.
 
 If the Multi-Arch field is present, apt-cache displays it.

Right, before I asked I tried with a couple of packages, but in my haste
I didn't see it with xterm, as it was below the description.

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Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?

2014-12-29 Thread Francesco Ariis

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 02:58:00PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd like
 to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in PlayOnLinux's
 list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

I remember this one! Wine should really do the trick: `apt-get install wine`
and then `wine TIC.EXE`.


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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Marc Auslander

Long ago, I decided that inconvenient fsck's were not what I
needed. And that cancelling them was not an option - I run quasi
headless so there's no way.

So - I use tune2fs to set a ridiculous reboot count for automatic
fsck.  Then a run a cron job the does a reboot with the -F option once
a month in the middle of the night when I don't need the machine.

systemd won't change a thing for me.

cron job follows.  it actually checks for a disk that needs an fsck.

#!/bin/bash
#check for fsck needed and force it and reboot if needed
[ $1 = -force ]  force=yes
month=$(date +%b)
reboot=no
while read disk rest
do
lastfsck=$(tune2fs -l $disk | grep 'Last checked:')
lastfsck=${lastfsck:30:3}
[ $lastfsck = $month ] || reboot=yes
done  --end
$(df | egrep '^/dev')
--end
if [ $force != yes ]
then
[ $reboot = no ]  exit
if [ -n $(who) ]
then
echo 'Not rebooting because of logged on users'
who
exit
fi
fi
echo 'checkfsck rebooting' | mail -s checkfsck root
# -F below forces check of all filesystems, not just root
echo 'checkfsck rebooting'
shutdown -rF now
sleep 120
echo 'shutdown seems to be broken again'
shutdown -nrF now
sleep 120
echo 'shutdown -n seems to have failed'
sleep 120
touch /forcefsck
sync;sync;sync;sleep 60;reboot -f
sleep 120
echo 'it just wont die - need help'


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Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?

2014-12-29 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 02:58:00PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
  I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd
 like
  to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in PlayOnLinux's
  list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

 I remember this one! Wine should really do the trick: `apt-get install
 wine`
 and then `wine TIC.EXE`.


I'm not sure I can do that.  I have the install disk image, and the file
names are slightly mangled, and I suppose the actual files are too.
I need to run SETUP at least, and I'm just hoping it will work.

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Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?

2014-12-29 Thread Doug


On 12/29/2014 06:55 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:



On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it 
mailto:fa...@ariis.it wrote:

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 02:58:00PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd like
 to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in PlayOnLinux's
 list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

I remember this one! Wine should really do the trick: `apt-get install wine`
and then `wine TIC.EXE`.


I'm not sure I can do that.  I have the install disk image, and the file names 
are slightly mangled, and I suppose the actual files are too.
Ineed to run SETUP at least, and I'm just hoping it will work.

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Well, the infamous setup.exe (all different but the same name!) frequently 
runs in Wine--try it and see what happens.

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Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?

2014-12-29 Thread Doug


On 12/29/2014 07:04 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/29/2014 06:55 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:



On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it 
mailto:fa...@ariis.it wrote:

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 02:58:00PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd like
 to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in PlayOnLinux's
 list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

I remember this one! Wine should really do the trick: `apt-get install wine`
and then `wine TIC.EXE`.


I'm not sure I can do that.  I have the install disk image, and the file names 
are slightly mangled, and I suppose the actual files are too.
Ineed to run SETUP at least, and I'm just hoping it will work.

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Well, the infamous setup.exe (all different but the same name!) frequently 
runs in Wine--try it and see what happens.

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You probably should copy the disk to the hard drive where the setup file can 
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Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine? (SOLVED)

2014-12-29 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 02:58:00PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
  I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy.  I'd
 like
  to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE.  It's not in
 PlayOnLinux's
  list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this.

 I remember this one! Wine should really do the trick: `apt-get install
 wine`
 and then `wine TIC.EXE`.


 I'm not sure I can do that.  I have the install disk image, and the file
 names are slightly mangled, and I suppose the actual files are too.
 I need to run SETUP at least, and I'm just hoping it will work.


 Please consider the environment before printing this email.


It did!!!  I mounted the floppy image, cd to it, and ran
  wine SETUP
and it said it was installing, and that the programs would go in C:\WEP
So I ran
  wine C:\\WEP\\TIC
and lo and behold! it ran.

From my point of view, even better, the program I'm working on beat the
Windows program's expert mode handily.

That's what I wanted to find out.

Maybe I'll try that tictactoe thing too, but it wants to install a HUGE
list of packages (150 or so) that I'm not so sure I want.  Qt things.
Unity things.  libgweather??? I'm actually running Xubuntu for a reason.
Maybe I'll do it in trial mode from a live disk first.  If ever.

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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

On 12/29/2014 1:31 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 
 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.
 
 I don't think I'm the only one complaining about this Saint Jude lost
 cause. If only we put as much effort into World Peace. :) Ric
 

You're the only one complaining about those of us who don't like it
trying to help each other out.

Jerry


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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
 10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
 another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible,
 but
 since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.

 Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
 for it.

 I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
 problem
 :)

 Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really
 solve the
 core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram)
 instead
 of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?

 Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

 A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be,
 is an
 entirely different question.

 Lisi



 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.

 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.


 Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
 my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
 are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
 something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
 before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
 software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.


 Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
 the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
 It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
 will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric


 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.
 
 There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature.
 When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO
 not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it
 is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as
 the process is for your own good.


I agree it's not a good idea to interrupt fsck WHEN IT IS FIXING A
PROBLEM.  A routine test when there is no indication of a problem is a
completely different story.

 It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows
 server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite
 awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it
 and suffered. I know I did.
 

It can be a HUGE problem.  For instance - maybe I'm getting ready to
make a presentation to a VP of a client's company.  The success of this
project depends on my presentation being more successful than another
consultants.  fsck running right then can easily cost me tens of
thousands of dollars over the course of the contract.

Are YOU willing to reimburse me for that loss?

 But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process
 half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a
 feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric
 
 
 

I can, and I have, when it runs at an inconvenient time.  Windows allows
this, and terminates the defrag gracefully.  That's one thing Windows
has on Debian.

Just because it's OK for YOU to have fsck to run any time it wants does
NOT mean it's ok for everyone else.

And that's what this thread is all about - how to stop it from happening.

But it will probably not matter to me, anyway.  My clients are looking
for alternatives to Debian just because of crap like this.  And we're
talking a lot of Debian systems running in dedicated controllers.

Jerry


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Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread William Unruh

On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
 10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
 another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible,
 but
 since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.

 Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
 for it.

 I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
 problem
 :)

 Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really
 solve the
 core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram)
 instead
 of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?

 Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

 A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be,
 is an
 entirely different question.

 Lisi



 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.

 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.


 Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
 my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
 are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
 something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
 before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
 software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.


 Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
 the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
 It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
 will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric


 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.
 
 There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature.
 When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO
 not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it
 is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as
 the process is for your own good.


I agree it's not a good idea to interrupt fsck WHEN IT IS FIXING A
PROBLEM.  A routine test when there is no indication of a problem is a
completely different story.

 It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows
 server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite
 awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it
 and suffered. I know I did.
 

It can be a HUGE problem.  For instance - maybe I'm getting ready to
make a presentation to a VP of a client's company.  The success of this
project depends on my presentation being more successful than another
consultants.  fsck running right then can easily cost me tens of
thousands of dollars over the course of the contract.

Are YOU willing to reimburse me for that loss?

 But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process
 half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a
 feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric
 
 
 

I can, and I have, when it runs at an inconvenient time.  Windows allows
this, and terminates the defrag gracefully.  That's one thing Windows
has on Debian.

Just because it's OK for YOU to have fsck to run any time it wants does
NOT mean it's ok for everyone else.

And that's what this thread is all about - how to stop it from happening.

But it will probably not matter to me, anyway.  My clients are looking
for alternatives to Debian just because of crap like this.  And we're
talking a lot of Debian systems running in dedicated controllers.


That seems to be cutting off you nose to spite your face. As many have
told you, the default

Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

On 12/29/2014 9:33 PM, William Unruh wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
 10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
 another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible,
 but
 since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.

 Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
 for it.

 I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
 problem
 :)

 Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really
 solve the
 core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram)
 instead
 of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?

 Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

 A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be,
 is an
 entirely different question.

 Lisi



 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.

 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.


 Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
 my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
 are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
 something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
 before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
 software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.


 Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
 the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
 It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
 will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric


 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.

 There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature.
 When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO
 not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it
 is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as
 the process is for your own good.


 I agree it's not a good idea to interrupt fsck WHEN IT IS FIXING A
 PROBLEM.  A routine test when there is no indication of a problem is a
 completely different story.

 It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows
 server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite
 awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it
 and suffered. I know I did.


 It can be a HUGE problem.  For instance - maybe I'm getting ready to
 make a presentation to a VP of a client's company.  The success of this
 project depends on my presentation being more successful than another
 consultants.  fsck running right then can easily cost me tens of
 thousands of dollars over the course of the contract.

 Are YOU willing to reimburse me for that loss?

 But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process
 half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a
 feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric




 I can, and I have, when it runs at an inconvenient time.  Windows allows
 this, and terminates the defrag gracefully.  That's one thing Windows
 has on Debian.

 Just because it's OK for YOU to have fsck to run any time it wants does
 NOT mean it's ok for everyone else.

 And that's what this thread is all about - how to stop it from happening.

 But it will probably not matter to me, anyway.  My clients are looking
 for alternatives to Debian just because of crap like this.  And we're
 talking a lot of Debian systems running in dedicated controllers.

 
 That seems to be cutting off you

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/29/2014 08:51 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:

On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible,
but
since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.


Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
for it.


I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
problem
:)


Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really
solve the
core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram)
instead
of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?


Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be,
is an
entirely different question.

Lisi




Lisi,

While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
appreciate people trying to help out.

And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
every one has made the decision to switch yet.


What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.



Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
software they are.


Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
better.



Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
will happen at the worst possible time.


Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric



This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
you started complaining about the thread.


There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature.
When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO
not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it
is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as
the process is for your own good.



I agree it's not a good idea to interrupt fsck WHEN IT IS FIXING A
PROBLEM.  A routine test when there is no indication of a problem is a
completely different story.


It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows
server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite
awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it
and suffered. I know I did.



It can be a HUGE problem.  For instance - maybe I'm getting ready to
make a presentation to a VP of a client's company.  The success of this
project depends on my presentation being more successful than another
consultants.  fsck running right then can easily cost me tens of
thousands of dollars over the course of the contract.

Are YOU willing to reimburse me for that loss?


But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process
half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a
feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric





I can, and I have, when it runs at an inconvenient time.  Windows allows
this, and terminates the defrag gracefully.  That's one thing Windows
has on Debian.

Just because it's OK for YOU to have fsck to run any time it wants does
NOT mean it's ok for everyone else.


Running ext4, the only time it has run fsck for me is when it had to. 
Otherwise I run it manually just to be sure.



And that's what this thread is all about - how to stop it from happening.

But it will probably not matter to me, anyway.  My clients are looking
for alternatives to Debian just because of crap like this.  And we're
talking a lot of Debian systems running in

Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

On 12/29/2014 9:33 PM, William Unruh wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500

 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 I often give presentations with my notebook.  If I'm lucky, I get
 10-15 minutes to set up.  If I'm not, less than 5 minutes (i.e.
 another presenter ahead of me).  I use Linux whenever possible,
 but
 since my time slot is limited, I can't wait for fsck to complete.

 Your type of situation is well understood and there is sympathy
 for it.

 I appreciate that - but unfortunately, sympathy doesn't solve the
 problem
 :)

 Someone may have suggested this, and I know it doesn't really
 solve the
 core problem, but perhaps consider suspending (to disk or ram)
 instead
 of shutting down when you have a presentation scheduled?

 Again, that is a way round the problem not a solution to it.

 A facility that was available no longer is.  Whether it should be,
 is an
 entirely different question.

 Lisi



 Lisi,

 While I agree it's only a way around a problem and not a solution, I do
 appreciate people trying to help out.

 And while I would prefer a solution, it looks like that's not going to
 happen.  So, unfortunately, after many years as a Debian user, I'm
 looking at other options.  My clients are looking, also, although not
 every one has made the decision to switch yet.

 What's wrong with sticking with Wheezy for the next couple of years?? I
 haven't had my ext4 file system want to fsck in eons. Several times I
 have MADE it do a check on the next boot, just to check, and a Tbyte of
 storage was fscked in about 10-15 seconds.


 Not as easy as you think.  I write device drivers; for instance, one of
 my customers manufacturers microprocessor-based systems.  Right now they
 are using Debian, but are now looking for another distro.  It's not
 something they do lightly or quickly; even now they may not have time
 before service is dropped for Wheezy.  And I need to be running the same
 software they are.

 Besides, I never did buy that bit about doing a complete dist-upgrade to
 Jessie (testing!) and then expecting to do a presentation to clients
 without a complete shakedown. I'd shoot myself first. I know you know
 better.


 Where did I ever say I wouldn't do a complete shakedown?  But this is
 the type of bug which can bite you weeks or months after the install.
 It doesn't occur minutes, hours or even days later.  And Murphy says it
 will happen at the worst possible time.

 Can we not let this pitiful excuse for a thread JUST DIE?? :/ Ric


 This is a Debian User list.  Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian
 users discussed here?  And that's what I have seen here - at least until
 you started complaining about the thread.

 There we differ. You consider it a bug, and I consider it a feature.
 When I googled on the topic there was a Hail Mary chorus shouting DO
 not interrupt fsck! It's BAD!. Ergo the consensus of opinion that if it
 is critical enough, do not allow it to be interrupted. Tough titties, as
 the process is for your own good.


 I agree it's not a good idea to interrupt fsck WHEN IT IS FIXING A
 PROBLEM.  A routine test when there is no indication of a problem is a
 completely different story.

 It's a small price to pay when you look back at the days when a Windows
 server HAD to go down at 3AM for maintenance (defrag, which took quite
 awhile) while we laughed and laughed at the stupid lamers who used it
 and suffered. I know I did.


 It can be a HUGE problem.  For instance - maybe I'm getting ready to
 make a presentation to a VP of a client's company.  The success of this
 project depends on my presentation being more successful than another
 consultants.  fsck running right then can easily cost me tens of
 thousands of dollars over the course of the contract.

 Are YOU willing to reimburse me for that loss?

 But, you sure as hell wouldn't interrupt a Windows full defrag process
 half-way through, would you? We've had it easy, so I consider it a
 feature. I'll take a 20 second inconvenience any day. :) Ric




 I can, and I have, when it runs at an inconvenient time.  Windows allows
 this, and terminates the defrag gracefully.  That's one thing Windows
 has on Debian.

 Just because it's OK for YOU to have fsck to run any time it wants does
 NOT mean it's ok for everyone else.

 And that's what this thread is all about - how to stop it from happening.

 But it will probably not matter to me, anyway.  My clients are looking
 for alternatives to Debian just because of crap like this.  And we're
 talking a lot of Debian systems running in dedicated controllers.

 
 That seems to be cutting off you

stopping a problematic process.

2014-12-29 Thread peter

Suppose 
  strace LooseCannon 
produces 100 k lines of output but the user is primarily 
interested to see the first 1 k lines.  
  strace LooseCannon | head --lines=1000
might work but waste time and resources.  How can the 
process be stopped without losing the strace output and 
before excessive waste?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.


 


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Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?