date:20160502

Ralph Sanchez writes:
> I guess a lot of those 2.1 million customers probably live in very
> rural areas where maybe other forms aren't available, or the cost to
> lay wire would be more then they have. My thinking is, we have GPS
> that works nearly (ok maybe not) everywhere you'd go and want
> internet, so why hasn't some billionaire or multi-billion or trillion
> dollar company decided to provide a wifi type service in the same way?

GPS requires many orders of magnitude less bandwidth than does Internet
service.  There is satellite Internet service and some people in remote
areas use it.  However the present version has serious drawbacks.  Elon
Musk plans to change that.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Posting picture files

On Tuesday 03 May 2016 00:38:53 Gary Roach wrote:
> Someone needs to figure out a way to handle this without
> penalizing the rest of us.

"The rest of us" don't have any desire to send pictures and are not being 
penalised.

Lisi

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2016 #417

On Tuesday 03 May 2016 00:38:05 Ralph Sanchez wrote:
> Tom-That's what I thought too, but I thought someone said earlier that
> during the install w/ encryption, Debian would also zero the disk, or
> maybe I'm mistaken. As far as the process if I did what your
> suggesting and I was going to do, would it work like this...
>
> Boot from USB Live ISO
>
> Run choice zero/random pattern overwrite program

Run Live CD/USB of some kind and run a partitioning program.

> Install from USB Live

Before installing, run the six live CDs and make sure which DE you want.  It 
makes a big difference.  Speaking personally, I would avoid Gnome and KDE.  
You can always add them later.

If you are convinced that you want to install Debian, then at this stage I 
would install from the net-install CD in the yellow box well down the page:
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/

If there are problems, go back to the Live CD.

My 2p worth.

Lisi
>
> lol I know it seems simple and like I should know the answer, but I've
> never even fully formatted a HDD myself, never had a reason too
> (degaussed one, the only other one I ever used haha had that Compaq
> Presario tower for yers) so I guess I was worried if something
> happened to make the system reboot with the HDD completely gone the
> BIOS system wouldn't boot from the USB either then. I guess this comes
> down to not knowing much about the Bios itself, where it's located and
> how it works. It's funny how we pass over the simple things when
> learning the bigger things we think are more important haha
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Tom Dial  wrote:
> > Although encryption of the disk (as offered during installation) is a
> > good idea, it protects against loss of the system or disk while powered
> > down. It does not protect against unauthorized access to the running
> > system, and if the threat model includes that, zeroing (or better yet,
> > multiply overwriting with varying patterns and then zeroing) offers
> > protection that disk encryption does not.
> >
> > Neither action protects against determined state equivalent actors or
> > malware implanted in the drive controller.
> >
> > Tom Dial
> >
> > On 05/02/2016 11:17 AM, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org
> > wrote:

Re: Posting picture files

On the subject of Dialup, and this is me speaking for just me, but I'd
rather have to walk five blocks everytime I need internet then spend
20 a month on dial up :/ I guess a lot of those 2.1 million customers
probably live in very rural areas where maybe other forms aren't
available, or the cost to lay wire would be more then they have. My
thinking is, we have GPS that works nearly (ok maybe not) everywhere
you'd go and want internet, so why hasn't some billionaire or
multi-billion or trillion dollar company decided to provide a wifi
type service in the same way?? I'd think if my galaxy s6 can beam
receive, beam back and re-receive data from 3 different sources at the
same time fast enough to have a mildly reliable map of where I am, how
fast i'm going and traffic conditions we could access the web at the
same speed or faster. Totally off topic, sorry

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Gary Roach  wrote:
> On 05/02/2016 07:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 02 May 2016 06:18:02 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-30 23:20:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

 On Saturday 30 April 2016 21:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
>
> I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or
> send anything other than plain text files. This leaves me with a
> problem if I wish to post a screen shot. I have been told that
> debian has a paste bin. Does anyone know the url for that bin.
>
> Gary R

>>>
>>> Or better: https://paste.debian.net/
>>
>> Working from 81 yo & rusty wet ram. :(  Thank you for the correction.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> You know, I just looked at http://paste.debian,net. The site seems to be
> more for pasting code snippets than anything else. While there is nothing
> wrong with this, I don't see why they don't just paste the code directly
> into their email message. That said, the site didn't seem to be set up very
> well for pictures. At least that is my first impression. Wouldn't be the
> first time that that was wrong though.
>
> This dial up thing is a pain. I just found an article from CNN that there
> are still 2.1 million aol customers using dial up connection. ($20/mo.).
> Someone needs to figure out a way to handle this without penalizing the rest
> of us.
>
> Gary R.
>
> Gary R.
>

Re: Posting picture files

2016-05-02 Thread Gary Roach


On 05/02/2016 07:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 02 May 2016 06:18:02 Vincent Lefevre wrote:


On 2016-04-30 23:20:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 30 April 2016 21:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:

I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or
send anything other than plain text files. This leaves me with a
problem if I wish to post a screen shot. I have been told that
debian has a paste bin. Does anyone know the url for that bin.

Gary R



Or better: https://paste.debian.net/

Working from 81 yo & rusty wet ram. :(  Thank you for the correction.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
You know, I just looked at http://paste.debian,net. The site seems to be 
more for pasting code snippets than anything else. While there is 
nothing wrong with this, I don't see why they don't just paste the code 
directly into their email message. That said, the site didn't seem to be 
set up very well for pictures. At least that is my first impression. 
Wouldn't be the first time that that was wrong though.


This dial up thing is a pain. I just found an article from CNN that 
there are still 2.1 million aol customers using dial up connection. 
($20/mo.). Someone needs to figure out a way to handle this without 
penalizing the rest of us.


Gary R.

Gary R.

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2016 #417

Tom-That's what I thought too, but I thought someone said earlier that
during the install w/ encryption, Debian would also zero the disk, or
maybe I'm mistaken. As far as the process if I did what your
suggesting and I was going to do, would it work like this...

Boot from USB Live ISO

Run choice zero/random pattern overwrite program

Install from USB Live

lol I know it seems simple and like I should know the answer, but I've
never even fully formatted a HDD myself, never had a reason too
(degaussed one, the only other one I ever used haha had that Compaq
Presario tower for yers) so I guess I was worried if something
happened to make the system reboot with the HDD completely gone the
BIOS system wouldn't boot from the USB either then. I guess this comes
down to not knowing much about the Bios itself, where it's located and
how it works. It's funny how we pass over the simple things when
learning the bigger things we think are more important haha

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Tom Dial  wrote:
> Although encryption of the disk (as offered during installation) is a
> good idea, it protects against loss of the system or disk while powered
> down. It does not protect against unauthorized access to the running
> system, and if the threat model includes that, zeroing (or better yet,
> multiply overwriting with varying patterns and then zeroing) offers
> protection that disk encryption does not.
>
> Neither action protects against determined state equivalent actors or
> malware implanted in the drive controller.
>
> Tom Dial
>
> On 05/02/2016 11:17 AM, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:
>

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2016 #417

2016-05-02 Thread Tom Dial

Although encryption of the disk (as offered during installation) is a
good idea, it protects against loss of the system or disk while powered
down. It does not protect against unauthorized access to the running
system, and if the threat model includes that, zeroing (or better yet,
multiply overwriting with varying patterns and then zeroing) offers
protection that disk encryption does not.

Neither action protects against determined state equivalent actors or
malware implanted in the drive controller.

Tom Dial

On 05/02/2016 11:17 AM, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:

Re: [OT]: May Day

Hi, Dan,

I have come off list because I find all the politics of this very unpleasant.  
But I liked your response (inaccurate as it has turned out to be!!!) and felt 
that it deserved a reply.

On Sunday 01 May 2016 18:58:57 Dan Hitt wrote:
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Sunday 01 May 2016 18:13:38 Dan Hitt wrote:
> >> (And wasn't May day an American idea originally, which
> >> our ruling class wanted to tone down?)
> >
> > I am speechless!!
> >
> > "The earliest May Day celebrations appeared in pre-Christian times, with
> > the Floralia, festival of Flora"  Etc.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day
> >
> >
> > Lisi
>
> hahahahaha, my bad for sure Lisi!!
>
> I should have said "Labor Day" instead of "May Day", though.
>
> Because in fact May 1 was chosen as the date for Labor Day (or
> International Worker's Day) because of the murder of four striking workers
> May 4, 1887 in Chicago.

Not according to Wikipedia.  Ah!  I see.  It is more complicated than that.  
You confused me by confusing Labor Day and International Workers Day.  See my 
trail below!!!  One even has to distinguish between Labor Day and Labour 
Day!!

So it is all a bit circular!!  But I find the concepts of "International 
Workers Day" and "the proletariat" intrinsically unpleasant.  I am in 
sympathy with Eric Blair (aka George Orwell).  It is as wrong to murder 
someone for being an aristo as it is to murder him for being a peasant.

Lisi
---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day

History[edit]
Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements 
grew, different groups of trade unionists chose a variety of days on which to 
celebrate labor. In the United States and Canada, a September holiday, called 
Labor or Labour Day, was first proposed in the 1880s. In 1882, Matthew 
Maguire, a machinist, first proposed a Labor Day holiday while serving as 
secretary of the Central Labor Union (CLU) of New York.[2] Some maintain that 
Peter J. McGuire of the American Federation of Labor put forward the first 
proposal in May 1882,[1] after witnessing the annual labour festival held in 
Toronto, Canada.[3] In 1887 Oregon became the first state of the United 
States to make Labor Day an official public holiday. By the time it became an 
official federal holiday in 1894, thirty U.S. states officially celebrated 
Labor Day.[1] Thus by 1887 in North America, Labor Day was an established, 
official holiday.[4]

Following the deaths of workers at the hands of United States Army and United 
States Marshals Service during the Pullman Strike of 1894, the United States 
Congress unanimously voted to approve legislation to make Labor Day a 
national holiday and President Grover Cleveland signed it into law six days 
after the end of the strike.[5] Cleveland supported the creation of the 
national holiday in an attempt to shore up support among trade unions 
following the Pullman Strike.[6] 
**
The date of May 1 (an ancient European holiday known as May Day) was an 
alternative date, celebrated then (and now) as International Workers Day, but 
President Cleveland was concerned that observance of Labor Day on May 1 would 
encourage Haymarket-style protests and would strengthen socialist and 
anarchist movements that, though distinct from one another, had rallied to 
commemorate the Haymarket Affair in International Workers' Day.[6][7]
All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the United States territories 
have made Labor Day a statutory holiday.
8

BUT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day
International Workers' Day, also known as Labour Day in some places, is a 
celebration of labourers and the working classes that is promoted by the 
international labour movement, socialists, communists and anarchists and 
occurs every year on May Day, 1 May, an European spring holiday since the 
late 19th and early 20th century.[1][2] The date was chosen for International 
Workers' Day by the Second International, a pan-national organization of 
socialist and communist political parties, to commemorate the Haymarket 
affair, which occurred in Chicago on 4 May 1886.[2]

 The 1904 International Socialist Conference in Amsterdam, the Sixth 
Conference of the Second International, called on "all Social Democratic 
Party organisations and trade unions of all countries to demonstrate 
energetically on the First of May for the legal establishment of the 8-hour 
day, for the class demands of the proletariat, and for universal peace."[3]
Being a traditional European spring celebration, May Day is a national public 
holiday in many countries, but in only some of those countries is it 
celebrated specifically as "Labour Day" or "International Workers' Day". Some 
countries celebrate a Labour Day on other dates significant to them, such as 
the

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread CD Lexi

Thanks Tom, jic I still take that route. It seems that installing the OS
and then ecrypting it during the install will do the same job as running
something like Sdelete or Dban, or any other similar program, so I think
just to stay on the safe side not knowing how this particular HDD will
react I'll do it that way and if I ever feel the need, I'll just replace
the HDD and degausse (spelling?? lol) this one.

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Thomas D Dial  wrote:

> Yes, from my experience it is safe. You may have to add a partition
> table before formatting it. If I recall correctly, cfdisk will complain
> mildly and ask you to do that. The Linux installer might take it in
> stride, or you might have to run fdisk or cfdisk from the USB ISO.
>
> Tom Dial
>
>
> On 05/02/2016 09:00 AM, CD Lexi wrote:
> > Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
> > used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
> > control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if
> > that wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I
> > should have never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or
> > flogging my system to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work
> > should have been my tip offI digress...
> >
> > My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I
> > run them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
> > repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my
> > only accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my
> > important documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried
> > about losing user data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an
> > HDD before installing Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the
> > ISO and Zero or Random Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted
> > Debian, but will doing this to my hard drive stop me from being able to
> > install from the USB to the HDD? I guess because I've never really
> > messed with the BIOS in windows, aside from neccisity, I'm just worried
> > if I zero fill and for some reason my laptop reboots before the new
> > install, it won't boot from the USB anymore and thus make me have to
> > find another computer from which to install DB. This is probably a
> > rookie question, but better safe then sorry with my first full HDD
> > sanitzation. Thanks!!!
> >
>

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

Also for the record, reasons I hate windows: It keeps defaulting to
another email I created for testing out some email thing instead of
the one I think i'm currently signed in under. FML. lol

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Thomas D Dial  wrote:
> Yes, from my experience it is safe. You may have to add a partition
> table before formatting it. If I recall correctly, cfdisk will complain
> mildly and ask you to do that. The Linux installer might take it in
> stride, or you might have to run fdisk or cfdisk from the USB ISO.
>
> Tom Dial
>
>
> On 05/02/2016 09:00 AM, CD Lexi wrote:
>> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
>> used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
>> control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if
>> that wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I
>> should have never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or
>> flogging my system to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work
>> should have been my tip offI digress...
>>
>> My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I
>> run them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
>> repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my
>> only accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my
>> important documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried
>> about losing user data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an
>> HDD before installing Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the
>> ISO and Zero or Random Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted
>> Debian, but will doing this to my hard drive stop me from being able to
>> install from the USB to the HDD? I guess because I've never really
>> messed with the BIOS in windows, aside from neccisity, I'm just worried
>> if I zero fill and for some reason my laptop reboots before the new
>> install, it won't boot from the USB anymore and thus make me have to
>> find another computer from which to install DB. This is probably a
>> rookie question, but better safe then sorry with my first full HDD
>> sanitzation. Thanks!!!
>>
>

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread Thomas D Dial

Yes, from my experience it is safe. You may have to add a partition
table before formatting it. If I recall correctly, cfdisk will complain
mildly and ask you to do that. The Linux installer might take it in
stride, or you might have to run fdisk or cfdisk from the USB ISO.

Tom Dial


On 05/02/2016 09:00 AM, CD Lexi wrote:
> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
> used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
> control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if
> that wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I
> should have never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or
> flogging my system to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work
> should have been my tip offI digress...
> 
> My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I
> run them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
> repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my
> only accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my
> important documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried
> about losing user data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an
> HDD before installing Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the
> ISO and Zero or Random Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted
> Debian, but will doing this to my hard drive stop me from being able to
> install from the USB to the HDD? I guess because I've never really
> messed with the BIOS in windows, aside from neccisity, I'm just worried
> if I zero fill and for some reason my laptop reboots before the new
> install, it won't boot from the USB anymore and thus make me have to
> find another computer from which to install DB. This is probably a
> rookie question, but better safe then sorry with my first full HDD
> sanitzation. Thanks!!!
>

Re: [OT]: May Day

2016-05-02 Thread Michael Lange

On Mon, 02 May 2016 14:52:26 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> Michael Lange writes:
> > I would by the way strongly request to dismiss the use of the word
> > "parasite" when speaking about human beings, since - speaking frankly
> > - this sounds a lot like nazi-speech
> 
> So does any classification of people into "them" and "us".

To some extent, but I feel classifying people into "us humans" and "them
animals" is even a lot worse.

Regards

Michael

.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

No one wants war.
-- Kirk, "Errand of Mercy", stardate 3201.7

Re: autofs no me funciona después de actualizar de Jessie a Stretch

2016-05-02 Thread BasaBuru

El Sábado, 30 de abril de 2016 14:13:01 Camaleón escribió:

Esta respuesta me a gustado especialmente. Así es como yo creo que hay que 
responder.

Chapeau


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Re: OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread listascor...@msjs.co


El 02/05/16 a las 11:17, JAP escribió:

El 02/05/16 a las 12:39, Paynalton escribió:

El lun, 02-05-2016 a las 12:01 -0300, JAP escribió:

El 02/05/16 a las 10:41, Camaleón escribió:
> El Mon, 02 May 2016 09:42:35 -0300, JAP escribió:




Voy a empezar a probar con CloudMe (/www.cloudme.com), que no lo
conocía.
Me parece que junta lo mejorcito de todo.
Por lo menos, tiene buenas críticas en castellano e inglés (el sueco no
lo manejo).

JAP


 > No importa el medio de almacenamiento, sea local, remoto, nube o una
 > hoja de papel, si quieres que tu información esté segura debes
 > encriptarla y esconder la llave.
 >
 >

Gracias por tu consejo.
Voy a empezar a probar CludMe, junto con este artículo que encontré por
ahí:
http://emerge.securitychat.org/posts/transparently-encrypt-and-synchronize-data-to-cloud/


La parte donde lo que sincroniza, es la careta encriptada en encfs.

JAP



ojo con EncFS
'Información de seguridad para EncFS 




 │ Según la auditoría de seguridad de Taylor Hornby (Defuse Security),
la implementación actual de EncFS es vulnerable o potencialmente 
vulnerable a varios tipos de ataque. Por ejemplo, un atacante con acceso 
de lectura/escritura a los datos cifrados podría reducir la complejidad 
del descifrado de los datos cifrados posteriormente sin que el usuario 
legítimo se dé cuenta o podría utilizar un análisis temporal para 
deducir la información. 
 Hasta que estos 
problemas no se resuelvan, no se debería considerar a EncFS como una 
opción segura para almacenar datos sensibles en situaciones donde este 
tipo de ataques sean posibles.

'

Saludos.

Re: problema ao acessar site

2016-05-02 Thread Leandro de Lima Camargo

Boa tarde Fred.
Não consegui entender o log corretamente.
A requisição ICMP parte do IP 192.168.21.245. Mas na penúltima linha parece que 
o IP 10.128.0.113 está “tentando” devolver o pacote para o 10.156.10.75.
Poderia passar como está a topologia dos testes feitos?


Abraço.


Atenciosamente,

Leandro de Lima Camargo
+55 (35) 9 9904-0220
skype: leandrolimacamargo

> On May 2, 2016, at 16:40, Fred Maranhão  wrote:
> 
> Caros,
> 
> um determinado escritório da empresa está com problemas para acessar
> um site específico. O site roda no apache. foram tentados os três
> navegadores principais.
> 
> percebemos a seguinte mensagem no firewall da máquina do apache:
> 
> Apr  4 16:38:36 server1 kernel: [1556060.768626]
> * FIREWALL DROP IN  *
> IN=eth0
> OUT= MAC=00:50:56:89:00:40:78:48:59:33:b8:c8:08:00
> SRC=192.168.21.245
> DST=10.128.0.113
> LEN=56
> TOS=0x08
> PREC=0x40
> TTL=28
> ID=5721
> PROTO=ICMP
> TYPE=3
> CODE=4
> [SRC=10.128.0.113 DST=10.156.10.75 LEN=1500 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=61
> ID=22129 DF PROTO=TCP INCOMPLETE [8 bytes] ]
> MTU=1496
> 
> 
> quando a gente desliga o firewall da máquina onde está o apache
> (debian stable), funciona.
> 
> é específico desta subrede e deste site.
> 
> alguma sugestão?
>

Re: cross-debootstrap error

2016-05-02 Thread Diddier Hilarion

I had the exact same error when I did it with armel. The problem was I 
was using a ntfs filesystem as the base for the debootstrap, so i guess 
that caused a problem related to fs permissions.


I did the process again in my root fs (ext4) and all went excelent. 
Thanks for your help.



On 01/05/16 10:36, Santiago Vila wrote:

Christian Seiler wrote:


This is really weird, especially since /etc/os-release is owned by
base-files, so it should only be created when the package is installed,

Yes, it is weird, but debootstrap has to put everything together, so
if it has to put the symlink in place before unpacking base-files, that
would be allowed (as far as everything else works, that is).


and it also shouldn't be a symbolic link but rather a regular file.

No. In jessie, it's a symlink. This is explained in the changelog for
base-files 7.4.

Diddier Hilarion wrote:


//Unpacking base-files (8+deb8u4) ...//
//dpkg: error processing archive
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_8+deb8u4_arm64.deb (--install)://
// symbolic link '/etc/os-release' size has changed from 50 to 21//

The right size is 21 indeed (it's the number of chars in the destination,
i.e. "../usr/lib/os-release") so I wonder where the 50 comes from.

recherche tuto docker-compose pour nginx / php5-fpm / mariadb

2016-05-02 Thread honeyshell

Bonjour la team,

Je me suis pris un serveur dedibox pour faire joujou avec docker-compose.
J'ai suivi l'article de linux-application sur le mise en place d'un
docker-compose avec nginx et php5-fpm. Je suis mitigé sur l'article
qui est bien dans son ensemble mais il y a une erreur sur le chemin du
fichier php5-fpm, et les fichiers de configuration de nginx ne sont
pas dans l'article (je connais apache, mais pas nginx pour le coup).
Il manque aussi des manipulations avec UFW, et peut être d'autres
choses?
J'ai testé aussi d'autres tutos sans de réels succès ou juste sur des
exemples simples type l'image wordpress.

Avez-vous trouvé un tuto complet sur lequel je pourrai m'appuyer dans
mes premiers pas avec docker-compose sur la mise en place d'un  nginx
/ php5-fpm / mariadb?

merci d'avance :)

Re: [OT]: May Day

Piyavkin writes:
> Why you say such about those noble and worthy gentlemen?

Well, of course, the epithet applies only to politicians in the other
parties.  The ones in mine are all noble and worthy gentlemen selflessly
dedicated to the Cause.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OT]: May Day

Michael Lange writes:
> I would by the way strongly request to dismiss the use of the word
> "parasite" when speaking about human beings, since - speaking frankly
> - this sounds a lot like nazi-speech

So does any classification of people into "them" and "us".
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

problema ao acessar site

2016-05-02 Thread Fred Maranhão

Caros,

um determinado escritório da empresa está com problemas para acessar
um site específico. O site roda no apache. foram tentados os três
navegadores principais.

percebemos a seguinte mensagem no firewall da máquina do apache:

Apr  4 16:38:36 server1 kernel: [1556060.768626]
* FIREWALL DROP IN  *
IN=eth0
OUT= MAC=00:50:56:89:00:40:78:48:59:33:b8:c8:08:00
SRC=192.168.21.245
DST=10.128.0.113
LEN=56
TOS=0x08
PREC=0x40
TTL=28
ID=5721
PROTO=ICMP
TYPE=3
CODE=4
[SRC=10.128.0.113 DST=10.156.10.75 LEN=1500 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=61
ID=22129 DF PROTO=TCP INCOMPLETE [8 bytes] ]
MTU=1496


quando a gente desliga o firewall da máquina onde está o apache
(debian stable), funciona.

é específico desta subrede e deste site.

alguma sugestão?

Re: Multiple live iso's on a single bootable flash drive?


On 02.05.2016 20:50, Brian wrote:

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 17:54:35 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:


On 01.05.2016 17:55, Brian wrote:

On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 21:02:56 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:


What's wrong with it?

Nothing, but a Ubuntu live ISO serves a different purpose from the
Debian installer. Which is not to say enhancing a netinst ISO is not
worthwhile and would benefit a few people. Patches to have iso-scan in
these ISOs' initrds were provided a couple of years ago and booting an
ISO with GRUB is on the installer team's list of feature requests.
Meanwhile, there is hd-media and a extra stanza in grub.cfg.

Well, and that's a good part of the story.
As I can see, the all needed functionality is already here. It just waiting
for some reason to be incorporated in distros.

Shall we compare like and like? Not a Ubuntu (or other live image) with
the Debian installer but a Ubuntu live image with a Debian live image.
All six of the Debian live images can be copied to a single partition
and a selected one booted with GRUB. No difference compared with Ubuntu.

Any of the running live images can be installed to hard disk, Again no
difference compared with Ubuntu.

Where's the problem for a new or experienced user? What need is there
for iso-scan to be incorporated into a netinst initrd?


I thought exactly in the same way.
Though I had to have installer images on my USB-drive with distroes, 
because I'd repeatedly failed to do installation from Debian live images 
(I don't remember details now; as a live images they started fine in all 
other respects). So I have two different images of one distro for live 
play/demonstration, and other one for installation. And here with the 
second one the quest started (you already know the rest).


Never had such issue with Ubuntu, because they have the same image as a 
live and as an installer, and everything needed already have been 
bundled in here by default.
From my personal point of view my user experience with Ubuntu install 
was much more simpler.


If in recent years everything was changed in better way, well, OK then.


Not a decent argument. Operations such as partitioning and formatting a
USB stick and installing GRUB to its MBR all require root privilege.

Of course, but the point is: with which «case there are lesser chances» to
shoot in own leg:

Case 1: do sudo work and pay proper attention 1 time and fit for all.

Case 2: do it every time when you update your boot collection on the
USB-drive.

The events are independent. Carrying out an operation more than once
does not change the probability of carrying it out correctly. I can
claim I have used 'ls -l' fifty times in a day without error. :)


Pff! I can easily do 'ls -l' 62 times! )


(Incidentally, a simple udev .rules file avoids having to be root to
deal with a USB stick, so the issue doesn't arise for me).

[...Snip...]


3-rd, I guess, typical Debian user is not a total Linux newbie, who's
problem are an ordinary partitioning process or grub install. I guess, them
more interested in such capabilities as to boot multiple OS/versions from
one partition or to run installers from virtually any commont USB-drive
(properly prepared in advance and easily reconfigurable in use). And
unexplained complication here — that is a problem.

As living illustration to the last point we may look at our real situation:
desirable multiboot from single flash drive (see subj of the thread). One
solution suggests doing partitioning and all the hard stuff just once. Other
— every time when new image added or old one changed and the complexity of
the solution is growing with the changes. OK, I see that mapping .iso to
stick is useful in some common situations (when you, for example, wish to
present ready to use flash drive installer to someone else). But why the
redundant work should be forced upon a user in a slightly more sophisticated
situations? Can it lead to the situation when a skilled user (the target
audience of the Debian) just be reluctant or simply tired repartitioning
their USB-drive with every release and settle down with Linux distribs that
do not demand to much without a reason?

Nothing is forced upon a user. Six Debian live images. One partition.
Add new images when necessary. Install if you wish. Multiboot without
tears. The OP probably has it up and running by now.


I hop so (about the OP). There is no news from him. I'm worrying (for 
him and for his hdd).


  

Resume: I advocate that both alternatives should be presented in Debian
distros. That'll make me happier.

They are! You should be overjoyed.

If you have gained the impression that isco-scan in a netboot initrd
would not be unwelcome to me but I won't lose any sleep over its
omission, then you have interpreted my feelings correctly.



OK, I'm overjoyed then.


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: Multiple live iso's on a single bootable flash drive?

2016-05-02 Thread David Wright

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 18:50:32 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Mon 02 May 2016 at 17:54:35 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:
> > On 01.05.2016 17:55, Brian wrote:

> > >Not a decent argument. Operations such as partitioning and formatting a
> > >USB stick and installing GRUB to its MBR all require root privilege.
> > 
> > Of course, but the point is: with which «case there are lesser chances» to
> > shoot in own leg:
> > 
> > Case 1: do sudo work and pay proper attention 1 time and fit for all.
> > 
> > Case 2: do it every time when you update your boot collection on the
> > USB-drive.
> 
> The events are independent. Carrying out an operation more than once
> does not change the probability of carrying it out correctly. I can
> claim I have used 'ls -l' fifty times in a day without error. :)

Er, you've switched argument. It's the probability of carrying
*them* (not *it*) out correctly which is important, and that
probability changes.

If you carry out an operation with a 99% success rate 23 times, the
likelihood of success overall drops to under 80%. Do it 69 times and
you're more likely to fail, than succeed overall.

> (Incidentally, a simple udev .rules file avoids having to be root to
> deal with a USB stick, so the issue doesn't arise for me).

That just makes it easier to accidentally wipe an important stick
(by shifting the point at which you take extra care).

Cheers,
David.

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

First, my apologies to everyone I CC'ed accidently. I thought when I
replied, it was replying to the post not to each email. I'm not used
to replying to things in this manner, I usually only communicate with
people one on one unless on a forum site.

Ha- Thanks for the advice, I'll look into that option too.

Heq- Maybe it's rookie of me, but I wasn't aware of that limitation of
malware, great info. I try to operate on the condition that anything I
don't specifically try to prevent could happen, regardless of if I
think it is or will be possible. Maybe it's paranoia, or OCD. Or both
haha. I was aware of the difference between passphrase and password,
apologies if I made it seem like I didn't. I tend to use whatever
words come to mind sometimes and hope the context is enough to make it
understandable, if I made a mistake it isn't the first time : )

Mic- Thanks for the reading material, and warning about the code of
conduct. I'm usually wary of such things, but as I said, I wasn't
aware of what I was doing until after I had been told so, and thought
I fixed it the first time and apparently not so. Totally my fault and
an oversight.

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Michael Luecke
 wrote:
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Ralph Sanchez  wrote:
>> I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work?
>
> It seems so, make sure you're replying to the list's address (here:
> "debian-user@lists.debian.org"). It's usually not neccessary to reply
> to all [1].  In this lists code of conduct [2] there's the rule, that
> one should not send a CC to the original poster unless he requested
> it.
>
>> I currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
>> learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,
>> I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
>> phrase.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm pretty sure I know what
>> direction I'm heading at this point, and I'll continue researching
>> these other encryption methods.
>
> You could use a usb drive or a SD card with a keyfile on it with
> dm-crypt/LUKS. Maybe you want to read [3] which is a quiet good howto
> for dm-crypt.
>
> Michael
>
> [1] http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html
> [2] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/index.en.html#codeofconduct
> [3] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Ralph Sanchez  wrote:
>> I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work? I
>> currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
>> learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,
>> I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
>> phrase.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm pretty sure I know what
>> direction I'm heading at this point, and I'll continue researching
>> these other encryption methods.
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:16 PM, heqami...@runbox.com
>>  wrote:
>>> Ralph, Again, use the button reply to list.
>>>
>>> Disk encryption don't use gpg. You just have to remember a pass pharase
>>> that you use for unlock your hard disk.
>>>
>>> Installer will overwrite all your disk, but if you want you can skip
>>> this step by pressing "cancel" button
>>>
>>>
>>> please learn what gpg is and what is luks and use the reply to list button.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption
>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT]: May Day

2016-05-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt

Hi,

Piyavkin wrote:
> Have you said «Karl Marx»?!.. Oh, no!.. Lisi will get you! )

I quote him as sincere contributor to political and economical theory.
Everybody, who pays Value Added Tax, pays for a thing invented by Marx:
The Added Value which - according to his theory - goes into the pockets
of the capital owner. (Thus the consumer pays a tax on it.)

Charlie was not the bad guy in the history of real existing socialism.
He had no power to defend. So he needed no oppression mechanisms.

> What's the sports, by the way?

Programming in C. :))
(A relative of Snooker and Chess. It can be quite exhausting.)

> As to hardship and boredom:

It's what gets paid according to classical protestant work ethics.
(According to the bible it is the penalty for eating apples.)

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread Michael Luecke

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Ralph Sanchez  wrote:
> I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work?

It seems so, make sure you're replying to the list's address (here:
"debian-user@lists.debian.org"). It's usually not neccessary to reply
to all [1].  In this lists code of conduct [2] there's the rule, that
one should not send a CC to the original poster unless he requested
it.

> I currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
> learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,
> I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
> phrase.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm pretty sure I know what
> direction I'm heading at this point, and I'll continue researching
> these other encryption methods.

You could use a usb drive or a SD card with a keyfile on it with
dm-crypt/LUKS. Maybe you want to read [3] which is a quiet good howto
for dm-crypt.

Michael

[1] http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html
[2] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/index.en.html#codeofconduct
[3] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Ralph Sanchez  wrote:
> I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work? I
> currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
> learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,
> I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
> phrase.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm pretty sure I know what
> direction I'm heading at this point, and I'll continue researching
> these other encryption methods.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:16 PM, heqami...@runbox.com
>  wrote:
>> Ralph, Again, use the button reply to list.
>>
>> Disk encryption don't use gpg. You just have to remember a pass pharase
>> that you use for unlock your hard disk.
>>
>> Installer will overwrite all your disk, but if you want you can skip
>> this step by pressing "cancel" button
>>
>>
>> please learn what gpg is and what is luks and use the reply to list button.
>>
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption
>>
>

Re: [OT]: May Day

2016-05-02 Thread Michael Lange

On Mon, 2 May 2016 20:32:17 +0300
Piyavkin  wrote:

> And by mentioned «professional parasites and criminals» I meant in the 
> first place exactly those people who live by criminal, fraud,
> deception, and literally at other's expense. Which is by definition a
> description of lumpen-proletariat (declassified) stratum.

One could however very well argue that your above definition applies
much better to a certain kind of economically very successful people than
to what you call "lumpen-proletariat".
I would by the way strongly request to dismiss the use of the word
"parasite" when speaking about human beings, since  - speaking frankly -
this sounds a lot like nazi-speech, though I of course don't want to
insinuate that anything like that was intended by you. Maybe it is just
that here in germany my ears are more sensitive to this kind of speech.

Regards

Michael

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Re: CI/Jenkins meetup at Ericsson Kista on May 4th

2016-05-02 Thread Per Andersson

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Helio Loureiro  wrote:
> (clicked to fast on send before fixing format)
>
> On May 4th join Ericsson meetup to talk about CI/Jenkins Meetup will be
> hosted by Ericsson at Ericsson Studio building. It will follow an open space
> for discussions and use case on Jenkins for CI environments. Ericsson will
> start with 2 presentations about its own usage on Jenkins (10 minutes each)
> and let agenda open to everybody else interested to share. Snacks and drinks
> included.
>
> Limited seats, so please sign in!
>
> http://goo.gl/forms/qFDTUOadCC
>
>  Date: May 4th
> Time: from 5 pm to 6:30 pm.
> Location: Ericsson Studio, Grönlandsgången 4, Kista

Super relevant and I would love to go but I can't that late.
Work hours are better for me.


>  May the 4th be with you in Ericsson!

Hah!


--
Per


> ><8 cut here
>
> So, continuing previous mail, hope to see you there.
>
> Best Regards,
> Helio Loureiro
> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
> http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
> http://gplus.to/helioloureiro
>
> 2016-04-27 20:22 GMT+02:00 Helio Loureiro :
>>
>> Hej,
>>
>> I still pursuing to have Ericsson premises hosting some Debian event for
>> the full day, but so far it was possible to start with a meetup about
>> CI(Continuous Integration)/Jenkins.
>>
>> I will be very pleased if Debian community could participate.  The call
>> will be soon available on meetup.com, but it is basically this one:
>>
>> On May 4th join Ericsson meetup to talk about CI/Jenkins Meetup will be
>> hosted by Ericsson at Ericsson Studio building. It will follow an open space
>> for discussions and use case on Jenkins for CI environments. Ericsson will
>> start with 2 presentations about its own usage on Jenkins (10 minutes each)
>> and let agenda open to everybody else interested to share. Snacks and drinks
>> included. Limited seats, so please sign in! http://goo.gl/forms/qFDTUOadCC
>> Date: May 4th Time: from 5 pm to 6:30 pm. Location: Ericsson Studio,
>> Grönlandsgången 4, Kista May the 4th be with you in Ericsson!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Helio Loureiro
>> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
>> http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
>> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>> http://gplus.to/helioloureiro
>
>

Re: [OT]: May Day


On 02.05.2016 20:48, John Hasler wrote:

Piyavkin writes:

But, I wonder, /whom/ exactly did you bear in mind when you triggered
«politics detection» alert at words «professional parasites»? )
...Ouch!

Politicians, most likely.  All of them.  It's not true, of course.  Many
of them are amateur parasites.


No way, John! Why you say such about those noble and worthy gentlemen?
Lisi may not think like that!


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: Löpande presentation på intern-TV

2016-05-02 Thread Per Andersson

2016-04-27 12:50 GMT+02:00 Sven Arvidsson :
> On Tue, 2016-04-26 at 22:55 +0200, Staffan Melin (Oscillator) wrote:
>> Hej!
>>
>> Jag är lärare på en skola och tänkte ordna en "intern-tv". Tanken är
>> att använda en ledig gammal eeepc med Debian.
>>
>> Först var tanken att den ska titta i en mapp, och visa alla objekt
>> som
>> finns i denna, med ett visst tidsintervall.
>>
>> Exempel
>> fil 1, jpg, 10 sekunder
>> fil 2, video, kör
>> fil 3, pdf, 20 sekunder
>> osv
>>
>> Först tänkte jag fråga om det finns något sätt att bara visa sakerna
>> en efter en, men inser att det även behövs någon form av klocka: visa
>> denna fil i X sekunder. Så jag behöver nog någon form av
>> admin-gränssnitt.
>>
>> Datorn kommer att vara uppkopplad till internet, så ett
>> webbbgränssnitt kunde vara flott.
>>
>> Har någon en smartt lösning på detta? Något bra verktyg? (Jag kan
>> koda
>
> Info-beamer är nog det närmaste en färdig lösning du kommer:
> https://info-beamer.com/
>
> Jag tror inte den stödjer PDF, men det borde inte vara svårt att
> konvertera till bildfiler.

Det görs lätt med ImageMagicks convert.


Snubblade över den här för ett tag sedan

https://medium.com/@mwichary/the-rectangle-behind-you-the-movie-premiere-9a4ee5d40575


--
Per

Re: [OT]: May Day

On 02.05.2016 19:05, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Haines Brown wrote:

Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist.

Piyavkin wrote:

No, but it is new growing relations of production.

It's in no way crypto, but quite near to the vision of Karl Marx in the
19th century. He expected it to happen for classic economy after
socialism succeeded and evolved into true communism.

Google found me a nice summary in german language:

http://stattkapitalismus.blogsport.de/2008/11/12/665jeder-nach-seinen-faehigkeiten-jedem-nach-seinen-beduerfnissen/
which is obviously by a person not aware of free software.
It quotes Marx' book "Das Kapital", 1867:
"Stellen wir uns endlich, zur Abwechslung, einen Verein freier Menschen
vor, ..."
which i translate as:
"Let us imagine finally, just for a change, a club of free humans, who
work with commonly used means of production and self-confidently spend
their many individual powers of work as a united work effort for society.
[...] The result of the club's work is a product of society.
In part it serves in turn as means of production. Another part is
consumed by the members as subsistence."

He did not imagine highly valuable objects which can be copied at
nearly no cost and can be used by affordable means. He only predicts that
the relation between production and consumption will change but then goes
on to describe a non-communist structure of work merits and right to
consume.
In our world, even Linus Torvalds gets more from GNU/Linux than he gave.

Marx also did not imagine that a (from his view) ideal society would emerge
on top of capitalism rather than replacing it.

Have you said «Karl Marx»?!.. Oh, no!.. Lisi will get you! )

If be serious, such changes are going on not only in software industry.
And I don't think it'll be finished even in the near future which may be
surprising in the end. That is a long and incremental process. But it is
a huge subject to discuss in an OT thread in a mail list. Such subjects
should be debated in form of articles in academic manner, I believe [but
try to rise the subject in an economics community, and their political
police will get you too].
Though it may be interesting for you to look also at the Schumpeter's
theory of development. He's usually considered as an opponent to Marx,
but their theories in fact pretty complimentary.

In real life i do not get my food for free. Housing is expensive.
Even the preconditions for linuxing cost monthly money.
But during my life there were only a few months of what i'd call work.
I earn my keep by selling myself doing my favorite sports.
Nevertheless i am aware that i am swimming as grease drop on a watery soup
of hardship and boredom.

Why don't you consider prof sport activity as a labour? Especially if
you earn by that. What's the sports, by the way?

As to hardship and boredom: first is an objective condition, second is a
subjective attitude and, in my view, should be avoided as deadly sin
whatever situation you happened to be in. Life is too damn short to be
bored.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Best wishes to you too!

Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: SO en disko usb segunda particion (sdb?)

2016-05-02 Thread Camaleón

El Mon, 02 May 2016 18:33:45 +0200, Juan Gomez (Txonta) escribió:

(...)

>>> Efectuada la prueba por dos intentos 1er intento resultado el mismo
>>> que antes:
>>>   error: invalid extent.
>>>   error: you need to load the kernel first.
>>>
>>>   Press any key to continue...

>> Pero ¿has cambiado la línea de "set root"? Manda mejor el bloque de
>> texto completo para la entrada del menú de GRUB que estás intentando
>> arrancar,
>> vamos, la que apunta al disco copiado USB, a ver qué es lo que pone
>> exactamente.

> menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-686 (on /dev/sdb3)" {
>  insmod part_msdos 
>  insmod ext2 
>  set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
>  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18 
> linux
>  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 
> root=UUID=aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18 ro quiet
>  initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
> }
> Esta es la entrada que probamos la última vez editando manualmente por
> si funcionaba. Entonces cambiamos (hd1,msdos3) por lo que se había
> generado (/dev/sdb,msdos3)
> Te anoto que esta es la entrada de boot/grub/grub.cfg del disco duro
> sda1 (cuyo backup estamos probando) porque el grub.cfg de /sdb3 no posee
> estas entradas.
> Entiendo que se generaron después de la copia, después de cambiar la
> uuid en fstab de la copia y al ejecutar update-grub

Hum... bien, lo veo correcto. 

Según dices, no has instalado GRUB en el MBR del disco USB, es decir, GRUB 
inicia desde el disco interno, usa el menú que existe en ese disco y desde 
ahí intenta cargar el sistema copiado en el disco USB. En este escenario 
es posible que necesites usar el "chainloader +1" porque pasas de un disco
a otro. Bien, sigamos...

>>> 2º intento (solo lo intento por segunda vez) resultado:
>>>   error: no such device: aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18.
>>>   error: hd1,msdos3 cannot get C/H/S values.
>>>   error: you need to load the kernel first.
>>>
>>>   Press any key to continue...

>> Hum... vamos a probar a entrar en la línea de comandos de GRUB para
>> preguntarle a él directamente qué ve y qué no ve. Para ello, cuando
>> veas el menú de GRUB pulsa rápidamente la tecla "c" y te llevará a la
>> línea de comandos. Desde ahí ejecuta "ls" para comprobar a qué
>> dispositivos y a qué particiones tiene acceso GRUB. Puedes ir probando
>> cositas, por ejemplo,
>> desde la propia consola puedes intentar iniciar el sistema según los
>> datos que te devuelva "ls":
>>
>> set root=(hd1,2)
>> chainloader +1 boot
>>
>> Si te animas, aquí te dejo una guía para intentar arrancar el kernel
>> que quieres desde la consola de GRUB:
>>
>> How to use Grub2 to boot Linux manually
>> http://forums.justlinux.com/showthread.php?152790-How-to-use-Grub2-to-boot-Linux-manually

> Mersis. Lo estoy mirando (lastima de ingles)
> le tengo respeto a la negrura sin remisión de la consola (el equipo no
> tiene entorno gráfico)
> en cuanto aprenda un par de recursos ... a ver. Y ...
> Te cuento, esto he hecho:
> 
> grub> ls no hay (hd1,2) pero si está (hd1,msdos3) y (hd1)

(...)

Vale, es correcto, aunque me parece raro que no tengas un (hd0,2) que es 
el disco duro interno :-?. Curiosamente he tenido que arrancar una Debian 
que tengo en una máquina virtual porque se me quedaba en "grub rescue>" y 
no había forma de que iniciara así que me he tenido que pegar con esta 
situación. 

Prueba con esto (ajustándolo a tus archivos):

grub> ls
grub> set root=(hd1,msdos3)/boot 
grub> insmod normal
grub> insmod linux
grub> linux (hd1,msdos3)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sdb3
grub> initrd (hd1,msdos3)/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
grub> boot  

Tienes que tener paciencia y teclear bien los nombres de los módulos a 
cargar y la ruta correcta porque si te dice que no encuentra algo 
("file not found" o similares) tendrás que especificarla (p. ej., 
insmod (hd1,msdos3)/boot/grub/linux.mod).

> quizá se me ha escapado algo de esto?
> 
> set root=(hd1,2)
> chainloader +1 boot
> 
> Seguiré estudiando, si se ve alguna evidencia se agradece el apunte.

No, simplemente te falta cargar el módulo "normal" y "linux" que es el 
que te permite cargar la imagen del kernel. Es complicado y has de tener 
paciencia, a mí me llevó más de 3 horas poder iniciar el sistema desde 
la shell de GRUB O:-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

On 05/02/2016 07:39 PM, Ralph Sanchez wrote:
> I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work?

yes, good job!

>I currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
> learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,

passphrase are just password but more long in character

> I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
> phrase.

malware can do bad things anyway.

when you power on your laptop only the OS is running and ask for your
password, no need to worry about malware at this time.

Only if someone has physical access to your pc can.

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread hu2016

Hi,
if unsure, start with a livefile system (like knoppix) and use "shred" to 
delete the device.

But be warned: To do so, EVERYTHING will be lost!

After that, you can install any OS you want again.

Best regards

Hans

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread Hans

Hi,
if unsure, start with a livefile system (like knoppix) and use "shred" to 
delete the device.

But be warned: To do so, EVERYTHING will be lost!

After that, you can install any OS you want again.

Best regards

Hans

Re: Multiple live iso's on a single bootable flash drive?

2016-05-02 Thread Brian

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 17:54:35 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:

> On 01.05.2016 17:55, Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 21:02:56 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:
> >
> >>What's wrong with it?
> >
> >Nothing, but a Ubuntu live ISO serves a different purpose from the
> >Debian installer. Which is not to say enhancing a netinst ISO is not
> >worthwhile and would benefit a few people. Patches to have iso-scan in
> >these ISOs' initrds were provided a couple of years ago and booting an
> >ISO with GRUB is on the installer team's list of feature requests.
> >Meanwhile, there is hd-media and a extra stanza in grub.cfg.
> 
> Well, and that's a good part of the story.
> As I can see, the all needed functionality is already here. It just waiting
> for some reason to be incorporated in distros.

Shall we compare like and like? Not a Ubuntu (or other live image) with
the Debian installer but a Ubuntu live image with a Debian live image.
All six of the Debian live images can be copied to a single partition
and a selected one booted with GRUB. No difference compared with Ubuntu.

Any of the running live images can be installed to hard disk, Again no
difference compared with Ubuntu.

Where's the problem for a new or experienced user? What need is there
for iso-scan to be incorporated into a netinst initrd?

> >Not a decent argument. Operations such as partitioning and formatting a
> >USB stick and installing GRUB to its MBR all require root privilege.
> 
> Of course, but the point is: with which «case there are lesser chances» to
> shoot in own leg:
> 
> Case 1: do sudo work and pay proper attention 1 time and fit for all.
> 
> Case 2: do it every time when you update your boot collection on the
> USB-drive.

The events are independent. Carrying out an operation more than once
does not change the probability of carrying it out correctly. I can
claim I have used 'ls -l' fifty times in a day without error. :)

(Incidentally, a simple udev .rules file avoids having to be root to
deal with a USB stick, so the issue doesn't arise for me).

[...Snip...]

> 3-rd, I guess, typical Debian user is not a total Linux newbie, who's
> problem are an ordinary partitioning process or grub install. I guess, them
> more interested in such capabilities as to boot multiple OS/versions from
> one partition or to run installers from virtually any commont USB-drive
> (properly prepared in advance and easily reconfigurable in use). And
> unexplained complication here — that is a problem.
> 
> As living illustration to the last point we may look at our real situation:
> desirable multiboot from single flash drive (see subj of the thread). One
> solution suggests doing partitioning and all the hard stuff just once. Other
> — every time when new image added or old one changed and the complexity of
> the solution is growing with the changes. OK, I see that mapping .iso to
> stick is useful in some common situations (when you, for example, wish to
> present ready to use flash drive installer to someone else). But why the
> redundant work should be forced upon a user in a slightly more sophisticated
> situations? Can it lead to the situation when a skilled user (the target
> audience of the Debian) just be reluctant or simply tired repartitioning
> their USB-drive with every release and settle down with Linux distribs that
> do not demand to much without a reason?

Nothing is forced upon a user. Six Debian live images. One partition.
Add new images when necessary. Install if you wish. Multiboot without
tears. The OP probably has it up and running by now.

> Resume: I advocate that both alternatives should be presented in Debian
> distros. That'll make me happier.

They are! You should be overjoyed.

If you have gained the impression that isco-scan in a netboot initrd
would not be unwelcome to me but I won't lose any sleep over its
omission, then you have interpreted my feelings correctly.

Re: [OT]: May Day

Piyavkin writes:
> But, I wonder, /whom/ exactly did you bear in mind when you triggered
> «politics detection» alert at words «professional parasites»? )
> ...Ouch!

Politicians, most likely.  All of them.  It's not true, of course.  Many
of them are amateur parasites.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

I can't find a reply to list, I tried reply all, does that work? I
currently use PGP for disk encryption, I haven't delved much into
learning about LUKS, etc but I will now. I also don't use passphrases,
I use a minisd card so keylogging software can't catch me entering my
phrase.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm pretty sure I know what
direction I'm heading at this point, and I'll continue researching
these other encryption methods.

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:16 PM, heqami...@runbox.com
 wrote:
> Ralph, Again, use the button reply to list.
>
> Disk encryption don't use gpg. You just have to remember a pass pharase
> that you use for unlock your hard disk.
>
> Installer will overwrite all your disk, but if you want you can skip
> this step by pressing "cancel" button
>
>
> please learn what gpg is and what is luks and use the reply to list button.
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption
>

Re: [OT]: May Day


On 02.05.2016 17:16, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 02 May 2016 15:07:29 Piyavkin wrote:

professional
parasites

OUCH!  Can we keep politics out of this - be it far left or far right?  This
list is not the place.

Lisi



Hi, Lisi!

Actually, I'm not intended to elaborate the o-topic any further beyond 
the Worker's Day congratulations.


And by mentioned «professional parasites and criminals» I meant in the 
first place exactly those people who live by criminal, fraud, deception, 
and literally at other's expense. Which is by definition a description 
of lumpen-proletariat (declassified) stratum.


But, I wonder, /whom/ exactly did you bear in mind when you triggered 
«politics detection» alert at words «professional parasites»? ) ...Ouch!



Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

Ralph, Again, use the button reply to list.

Disk encryption don't use gpg. You just have to remember a pass pharase
that you use for unlock your hard disk.

Installer will overwrite all your disk, but if you want you can skip
this step by pressing "cancel" button


please learn what gpg is and what is luks and use the reply to list button.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption

Re: SO en disko usb segunda particion (sdb?)

2016-05-02 Thread Juan Gomez (Txonta)


Saludos

(...)

Elige una de las dos entradas ("vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686" o
"vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686") y prueba con esta opción:

***
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686
root=UUID=aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18 ro quiet ***

Fíjate que el único cambio es en la línea "set root", el resto está
igual.

Efectuada la prueba por dos intentos 1er intento resultado el mismo que
antes:
  error: invalid extent.
  error: you need to load the kernel first.

  Press any key to continue...

Pero ¿has cambiado la línea de "set root"? Manda mejor el bloque de texto
completo para la entrada del menú de GRUB que estás intentando arrancar,
vamos, la que apunta al disco copiado USB, a ver qué es lo que pone
exactamente.

menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-686 (on /dev/sdb3)" {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18
linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 
root=UUID=aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18 ro quiet

initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
}
Esta es la entrada que probamos la última vez editando manualmente por 
si funcionaba. Entonces cambiamos

(hd1,msdos3) por lo que se había generado (/dev/sdb,msdos3)
Te anoto que esta es la entrada de boot/grub/grub.cfg del disco duro 
sda1 (cuyo backup estamos probando) porque el grub.cfg de /sdb3 no posee 
estas entradas.
Entiendo que se generaron después de la copia, después de cambiar la 
uuid en fstab de la copia y al ejecutar update-grub





2º intento (solo lo intento por segunda vez) resultado:
  error: no such device: aac1a7d7-2cd3-476c-913d-d0f75ac4ab18.
  error: hd1,msdos3 cannot get C/H/S values.
  error: you need to load the kernel first.

  Press any key to continue...

Hum... vamos a probar a entrar en la línea de comandos de GRUB para
preguntarle a él directamente qué ve y qué no ve. Para ello, cuando veas
el menú de GRUB pulsa rápidamente la tecla "c" y te llevará a la línea de
comandos. Desde ahí ejecuta "ls" para comprobar a qué dispositivos y a qué
particiones tiene acceso GRUB. Puedes ir probando cositas, por ejemplo,
desde la propia consola puedes intentar iniciar el sistema según los datos
que te devuelva "ls":

set root=(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

Si te animas, aquí te dejo una guía para intentar arrancar el kernel que
quieres desde la consola de GRUB:

How to use Grub2 to boot Linux manually
http://forums.justlinux.com/showthread.php?152790-How-to-use-Grub2-to-boot-Linux-manually

Mersis. Lo estoy mirando (lastima de ingles)
le tengo respeto a la negrura sin remisión de la consola (el equipo no 
tiene entorno gráfico)

en cuanto aprenda un par de recursos ... a ver. Y ...
Te cuento, esto he hecho:

grub> ls
no hay (hd1,2) pero si está (hd1,msdos3) y (hd1)

grub> set root=(hd1,msdos3)[enter]
grub> chainloader +1[enter]
error invalid signature
grub> boot
error: no loaded kernel
grub> set root=(hd1,msdos3) chainloader +1 boot
no da salida
-
grub> set root=(hd1,2)[enter]
grub> chainloader +1[enter]
error invalid signature
grub> boot
error: no loaded kernel
grub> set root=(hd1,msdos3) chainloader +1 boot
no da salida
---
editando la entrada que quiero arrancar con e es:
set root='(hd1,msdos3)'
search no flopy blabla con la uuid correcta
pruebo con set root='(hd1,2)' y set root='(hd1)'
fracasa con
   error: invalid extent.
   error: you need to load the kernel first.
   Press any key to continue...

quizá se me ha escapado algo de esto?

set root=(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

Seguiré estudiando, si se ve alguna evidencia se agradece el apunte.


Saludos,


Saludos
--

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation



 Am 02.05.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Ralph Sanchez:
> Heqamilus --- Not an expert, but I've worked with Kali and Backtrack
> for quite a while from USB live boot and figure, if I didn't kill
> myself virtually while perm logged in as a root user, I should be okay
> switching to debian. Plus it's more secure, to me, and better as far
> as apt-get programs and what not, imho from research.

Ok, just make sure yourself to have always a working OS, "just in case".
So I suggest to act like this:

1) Download latest debian live, whatever version
2) verify iso and burn in usb
3) test live (wifi working etc)
4) install, by following the easystep

You can make sure that all of your hardware will work on debian. If you
can't get you HW to work, you need to download a special version of
debian that contain non free software

IMHO is better to not use the live installer to surf the web or do
anythings other than testing drivers (for security)

>
> and your saying it will allow me an option for encryption and random
> fill before, during or after install??

During installation of linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora... ) you can choose
to perform a full encrypted installation.
While the installer encrypt your disk, all the sector of your hard drive
will be overwriten. This is for make impossible to recover userdata by
software.

For you this is useful because if someone stole you laptop or you lose
it you don't need to worry about your data being stolen.

Good Luck

H.

Re: OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread JAP


El 02/05/16 a las 12:39, Paynalton escribió:

El lun, 02-05-2016 a las 12:01 -0300, JAP escribió:

El 02/05/16 a las 10:41, Camaleón escribió:
> El Mon, 02 May 2016 09:42:35 -0300, JAP escribió:




Voy a empezar a probar con CloudMe (/www.cloudme.com), que no lo conocía.
Me parece que junta lo mejorcito de todo.
Por lo menos, tiene buenas críticas en castellano e inglés (el sueco no
lo manejo).

JAP


> No importa el medio de almacenamiento, sea local, remoto, nube o una
> hoja de papel, si quieres que tu información esté segura debes
> encriptarla y esconder la llave.
>
>

Gracias por tu consejo.
Voy a empezar a probar CludMe, junto con este artículo que encontré por ahí:
http://emerge.securitychat.org/posts/transparently-encrypt-and-synchronize-data-to-cloud/

La parte donde lo que sincroniza, es la careta encriptada en encfs.

JAP

Re: Cambio repentino de archivo de texto normal a archivo binario

2016-05-02 Thread Debianero


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 08:49:55PM -0500, petrohs el compa obrero wrote:
> 2016-04-29 20:43 GMT-05:00 Debianero :
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 02:24:17PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> > > El Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:19:35 -0500, Debianero escribió:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:06:19PM -0500, Debianero wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 01:55:38PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> > >
> > > (...)
> > >
> > > >> > > Deseo realizar una busqueda en el archivo mediante el comando
> > > >> > > siguiente:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > egrep -i texto-a-buscar archivo-texto Coincidencia en el fichero
> > > >> > > binario archivo-texto
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ¿Alguna ida de lo que este pasando? y como puedo volverlo a
> > > >> > > regresar a modo texto?.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ejecuta "file archivo" y manda la salida.
> > > >>
> > > >> file miarchivo.txt miarchivo.txt UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long
> > > >> lines
> > > >
> > > > Correccion, no me arroja este resultado, esto lo ejecute con un respaldo
> > > > de un archivo. Lo correcto es:
> > > >
> > > > $ file miarchivo.txt miarchivo.txt: data
> > >
> > > ¿Has manipulado ese archivo de alguna forma, bien añadiendo datos
> > > automáticamente o bien editándolo manualmente?
> >
> > Asi es, se añaden datos mediante una captura
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> >
> > echo "ESCRIBE EL TEXTO A AGREGAR AL LIBRO"
> > read agregartexto
> >
> > $agregartexto >> miarchivo.txt
> >
> > >
> > > Prueba a ejecutar un "diff" sobre los dos archivo para ver las
> > > diferencias.
> > >
> > > De todas formas creo recordar que ya hablamos de este mismo problema en
> > > otro hilo y estaba relacionado con la forma en que file/grep/diff y demás
> > > interpretaban los archivos, no recuerdo si era un bug o una "feature" :-)
> > >
> >
> > Recuerdo que abrí otro hilo que se llamaba "Guion medio color azul en 
> > Emacs", solo que la solucion fue editarlo a mano y listo, pero volvio a 
> > suceder. Quizas te refieras a algun otro que hayas respondido y que no tuve 
> > la oportunidad de leer (lo buscare para leerlo).
> >
> Buenas noches (o días)
> Me ha pasado que el archivo guarda algún carácter especial y por ello,
> pese a que el resto es texto plano lo detecta como binario.
> Eliminando ese campo todo vuelve a ser texto.

Buenas noches. Yo creo que si es un caracter especial... la cuestion es 
¿Donde?... hay miles de lineas...

Ademas el documento que jamas inicio con "^@" ahora tiene muchas de ellas al 
comienzo del documento.

> 
> 
> -- 
> "Cada cual según sus fuerzas, cada quien según sus necesidades..."
>

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread Peter Ludikovsky

Hi,

1) You might want to use "Reply to list", so that all readers can see
your answer.
2) Unneeded files are gone, as soon as you format the disk. Same for any
malware, aside from the fact that Windows malware won't run on Linux
anyway. The only thing possible would be people recovering date from
unused blocks, and that is easily mitigated by encrypting the disk if
you're concerned enough. At least with dm-crypt and luks _all_ sectors
are encrypted, no matter if used or not.

Regards,
/peter

Am 02.05.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Ralph Sanchez:
> Heqamilus --- Not an expert, but I've worked with Kali and Backtrack
> for quite a while from USB live boot and figure, if I didn't kill
> myself virtually while perm logged in as a root user, I should be okay
> switching to debian. Plus it's more secure, to me, and better as far
> as apt-get programs and what not, imho from research.
> 
> My laptop is two years old, an ASUS model with 280 gig HDD, 4 g ram,
> intel I forget processor lol
> 
> NO DVD OR CD DRIVE
> 
> and your saying it will allow me an option for encryption and random
> fill before, during or after install??
> 
> 
> Peter _ I have multiple reasons to want to sanitize and zero or random
> fill my hdd. Multiple copies of unneeded files, things I don't want
> people accessing if they would get through my sec, possibilities of
> malware/viruses/keyboard logging, etc that will continue to effect my
> system. I want a fresh start. And I know you can't be 100% sure,
> unless you initiate multiple passes and try to recover your disk using
> another system to check, still not 100% sure but better then blind
> trust.
> 
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Peter Ludikovsky  
> wrote:
>> Hello & welcome to Linux!
>>
>> To be honest, I haven't found a good reason to zero any media, unless I
>> was decommissioning it and/or selling it. When you create a new file
>> system on installation, any new information will overwrite the old one.
>> And as soon as it's created, the old file system won't be able to
>> interfere with the system anymore.
>>
>> Besides, with SSDs and some newer HDDs, you can't be sure that there
>> won't be something left over in a block that was marked defect and isn't
>> accessed anymore.
>>
>> Regards,
>> /peter
>>
>> Am 02.05.2016 um 17:00 schrieb CD Lexi:
>>> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
>>> used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
>>> control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if
>>> that wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I
>>> should have never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or
>>> flogging my system to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work
>>> should have been my tip offI digress...
>>>
>>> My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I
>>> run them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
>>> repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my
>>> only accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my
>>> important documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried
>>> about losing user data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an
>>> HDD before installing Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the
>>> ISO and Zero or Random Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted
>>> Debian, but will doing this to my hard drive stop me from being able to
>>> install from the USB to the HDD? I guess because I've never really
>>> messed with the BIOS in windows, aside from neccisity, I'm just worried
>>> if I zero fill and for some reason my laptop reboots before the new
>>> install, it won't boot from the USB anymore and thus make me have to
>>> find another computer from which to install DB. This is probably a
>>> rookie question, but better safe then sorry with my first full HDD
>>> sanitzation. Thanks!!!
>>>
>>



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Re: [OT]: May Day

2016-05-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt

Hi,

Haines Brown wrote:
> > Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist.

Piyavkin wrote:
> No, but it is new growing relations of production.

It's in no way crypto, but quite near to the vision of Karl Marx in the
19th century. He expected it to happen for classic economy after
socialism succeeded and evolved into true communism.

Google found me a nice summary in german language:

Marx also did not imagine that a (from his view) ideal society would emerge
on top of capitalism rather than replacing it.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Classification L7

2016-05-02 Thread Olivier

Bonjour,

Je gère quelques réseaux sur lesquels j'observe que la bande passante est
consommée de façon très inégale par des utilisateurs.

À titre d'exemple, sachant que les utilisateurs sont répartis de façon à
peu près équitable sur des liens ADSL différents, j'observe qu'un lien
affiche en soirée (l'heure de pointe) des pings à 2s ou plus quand d'autres
liens ADSL (vers le même opérateur) ont un ping de 100 ou 200ms.

J'envisage de mettre en place sur une machine Debian Jessie un mécanisme de
"classification du traffic de niveau 7" pour y voir plus clair dans les
usages.

J'ai trouvé le lien [1] http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ mais j'ai
l'impression que les paquets correspondants (l7-filter-userspace
l7-protocols) sont présents dans Wheezy mais plus dans Jessie.

Quelle est la voie à suivre pour mettre en place cela ?
Quel retour d'expérience ?


[1] http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/

Slts

Re: OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread Paynalton

No importa el medio de almacenamiento, sea local, remoto, nube o una
hoja de papel, si quieres que tu información esté segura debes
encriptarla y esconder la llave.


-- 

 
/ Allí donde el mando es codiciado y \
| disputado no puede haber buen gobierno |
| ni reinará la concordia.   |
||
| -- Platón. (427-347 a.C.) Filósofo |
\ griego./
 
\   ^__^
 \  (oo)\___
(__)\   )\/\
||w |
|| ||



El lun, 02-05-2016 a las 12:01 -0300, JAP escribió:

> El 02/05/16 a las 10:41, Camaleón escribió:
> > El Mon, 02 May 2016 09:42:35 -0300, JAP escribió:
> >
> >> Estimados:
> >>
> >> La siguiente pregunta no tiene nada que ver con los sistemas Debian,
> >> pero sí con su "espíritu".
> >>
> >> Necesito cargar a la "nube" archivos personales con cierta sensibilidad
> >> para mí, y no puedo decidir sobre cuál servicio volcarme.
> >
> > ¿Has pensando en montar tu propia "nube"?
> >
> >> Cabe aclarar que estoy dispuesto a pagar una cuota, por lo que la
> >> gratuidad no es algo determinante.
> >> Al pie detallo todo lo que he visto.
> >> No me gusta lo que está radicado en EEUU; desde el escándalo de
> >> filtración de datos de DropBox no me fío de la legislación yankee, pues
> >> si bien no soy una persona de interés para la CIA o el FBI,
> >
> > Huy, eso de que no eres POI nunca se sabe >>:-)
> >
> >> las "puertas traseras" son un fallo de seguridad que no me causan
> >> gracia.
> >> De Mega, desde que el gordo se peleó con la esposa, no me da muchas
> >> seguridades, habida cuenta que le sacaron el manejo de la empresa, a
> >> pesar de la confianza que le tengo a la ley de Nueva Zelanda.
> >> Las otras no las conozco, pero como que me está gustando HubiC.
> >> Un punto muy importante a tener en cuenta, es la sincronización
> >> automática de la "nube" con carpetas locales, bajo GNU/Linux, por
> >> supuesto.
> >>
> >> Linux Europa: HubiC Linux Nueva Zelanda: Mega Linux EEUU: SpiderOak,
> >> Dropbox Europa (no Linux): Tesorit, Bajoo, JottaCloud EEUU (no Linux):
> >> MS-Drive (ni ahí)
> >
> > Yo uso (poco, la verdad) SpiderOak, ningún problema reseñable. Eso sí, el
> > cliente está instalado en un equipo con Windows así que no te podría
> > decir nada sobre la compatibilidad con Linux.
> >
> >> Como "refuerzo", lo que tengo que sincronizar son carpetas cifradas. La
> >> paranoia bien entendida empieza por casa; y sí, a veces, como dice la
> >> canción de Rockwell, "Somebody's watching me".
> >>
> >> Escucho sugerencias.
> >
> > La única sugerencia que puedo darte es que ningún servicio de terceros es
> > fiable, es decir, que llegado el momento tus datos serán accesibles si no
> > los cifras antes tú por tu cuenta en local y los subes ya cifrados como
> > bien apuntas.
> >
> > En Wikipedia tienes una comparativa para este tipo de servicios, por si
> > te da alguna idea:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> 
> Voy a empezar a probar con CloudMe (/www.cloudme.com), que no lo conocía.
> Me parece que junta lo mejorcito de todo.
> Por lo menos, tiene buenas críticas en castellano e inglés (el sueco no 
> lo manejo).
> 
> JAP
>

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread Peter Ludikovsky

Hello & welcome to Linux!

To be honest, I haven't found a good reason to zero any media, unless I
was decommissioning it and/or selling it. When you create a new file
system on installation, any new information will overwrite the old one.
And as soon as it's created, the old file system won't be able to
interfere with the system anymore.

Besides, with SSDs and some newer HDDs, you can't be sure that there
won't be something left over in a block that was marked defect and isn't
accessed anymore.

Regards,
/peter

Am 02.05.2016 um 17:00 schrieb CD Lexi:
> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
> used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
> control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if
> that wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I
> should have never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or
> flogging my system to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work
> should have been my tip offI digress...
> 
> My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I
> run them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
> repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my
> only accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my
> important documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried
> about losing user data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an
> HDD before installing Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the
> ISO and Zero or Random Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted
> Debian, but will doing this to my hard drive stop me from being able to
> install from the USB to the HDD? I guess because I've never really
> messed with the BIOS in windows, aside from neccisity, I'm just worried
> if I zero fill and for some reason my laptop reboots before the new
> install, it won't boot from the USB anymore and thus make me have to
> find another computer from which to install DB. This is probably a
> rookie question, but better safe then sorry with my first full HDD
> sanitzation. Thanks!!!
> 



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Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

If you want to encrypt your hard drive using a passphrase debian
automatically wipe all your disk using random data.

Re: Zero filling my HDD before installation

On 05/02/2016 05:00 PM, CD Lexi wrote:
> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
> used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,

Very good choice. Are you expert? If not try to check if you prefer to
use ubuntu instead.

How old is your laptop?

> 
> My question is this:

Your laptop has a dvd drive? if yes you don't need to worry about your
usb key.

I suggest you to download the live version of debian, this allow you to
try debian before installing.

BTW, In liknux you can choose which Graphics Interface to have in your pc.

Using a live version will allow you tu choose the best for you.

You can get the live version from the official website:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Regards.

H.

Zero filling my HDD before installation

2016-05-02 Thread CD Lexi

Hey everyone. I'm currently looking to switch to Debian from Windows. I
used to love windows, but with every upgrade it seems I lose privacy,
control and honestly functionality. Sure, there's a lot more I can, if that
wasn't mitigated by what windows wants me to do at the time. I should have
never even moved on to 10...constantly interrupting or flogging my system
to ask me to upgrade in the middle of sensitive work should have been my
tip offI digress...

My question is this: I know what Zero and Random fills do to a drive, I run
them on every USB and Sd/MSD card I buy or retrieve, and everytime I
repurpose them. But I've never done this to a HDD and my laptop is my only
accessible PC aside from my Galaxy S6. I've backed up all my important
documents to multiple cloud locations, so I'm not worried about losing user
data. I'm just wandering, is it safe to Zero Fill an HDD before installing
Debian from a USB ISO? I know I can boot to the ISO and Zero or Random
Fill, or other sani methods from the USB Booted Debian, but will doing this
to my hard drive stop me from being able to install from the USB to the
HDD? I guess because I've never really messed with the BIOS in windows,
aside from neccisity, I'm just worried if I zero fill and for some reason
my laptop reboots before the new install, it won't boot from the USB
anymore and thus make me have to find another computer from which to
install DB. This is probably a rookie question, but better safe then sorry
with my first full HDD sanitzation. Thanks!!!

Re: OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread JAP


El 02/05/16 a las 10:41, Camaleón escribió:

El Mon, 02 May 2016 09:42:35 -0300, JAP escribió:


Estimados:

La siguiente pregunta no tiene nada que ver con los sistemas Debian,
pero sí con su "espíritu".

Necesito cargar a la "nube" archivos personales con cierta sensibilidad
para mí, y no puedo decidir sobre cuál servicio volcarme.


¿Has pensando en montar tu propia "nube"?


Cabe aclarar que estoy dispuesto a pagar una cuota, por lo que la
gratuidad no es algo determinante.
Al pie detallo todo lo que he visto.
No me gusta lo que está radicado en EEUU; desde el escándalo de
filtración de datos de DropBox no me fío de la legislación yankee, pues
si bien no soy una persona de interés para la CIA o el FBI,


Huy, eso de que no eres POI nunca se sabe >>:-)


las "puertas traseras" son un fallo de seguridad que no me causan
gracia.
De Mega, desde que el gordo se peleó con la esposa, no me da muchas
seguridades, habida cuenta que le sacaron el manejo de la empresa, a
pesar de la confianza que le tengo a la ley de Nueva Zelanda.
Las otras no las conozco, pero como que me está gustando HubiC.
Un punto muy importante a tener en cuenta, es la sincronización
automática de la "nube" con carpetas locales, bajo GNU/Linux, por
supuesto.

Linux Europa: HubiC Linux Nueva Zelanda: Mega Linux EEUU: SpiderOak,
Dropbox Europa (no Linux): Tesorit, Bajoo, JottaCloud EEUU (no Linux):
MS-Drive (ni ahí)


Yo uso (poco, la verdad) SpiderOak, ningún problema reseñable. Eso sí, el
cliente está instalado en un equipo con Windows así que no te podría
decir nada sobre la compatibilidad con Linux.


Como "refuerzo", lo que tengo que sincronizar son carpetas cifradas. La
paranoia bien entendida empieza por casa; y sí, a veces, como dice la
canción de Rockwell, "Somebody's watching me".

Escucho sugerencias.


La única sugerencia que puedo darte es que ningún servicio de terceros es
fiable, es decir, que llegado el momento tus datos serán accesibles si no
los cifras antes tú por tu cuenta en local y los subes ya cifrados como
bien apuntas.

En Wikipedia tienes una comparativa para este tipo de servicios, por si
te da alguna idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services

Saludos,



Voy a empezar a probar con CloudMe (/www.cloudme.com), que no lo conocía.
Me parece que junta lo mejorcito de todo.
Por lo menos, tiene buenas críticas en castellano e inglés (el sueco no 
lo manejo).


JAP

Re: Janice_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Janice Biddulph

I have a dentist ive been with for 25 years and I have no intention of
changing I don't know who you are but don't send any more messages to me
thank you have a blessed day

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Janice, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here *
> *no_more_emails?
> *
> */fd
>
>

Re: jimo5050_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread jim obrien

Learn how to draft an email

Blue skies, Jim

> On May 2, 2016, at 10:41 AM, jimo5...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear_jimo5050, 
> 
> Find the perfect dentist in your area 
> 
> click here
> no_more_emails?

Re: brisestreda_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Flor Espinoza

No entiendo este mensaje porfavor melo puede mandar en español
El 02/05/2016 09:24 a.m.,  escribió:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_brisestreda, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here
> no_more_emails?
> *
> 
> */fd
>
>

Re: Gene_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Gene Jenkins

Stop sending me emails

On Mon, May 2, 2016, 10:23 AM  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Gene, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here
> no_more_emails? */fd
> *
>

Re: Multiple live iso's on a single bootable flash drive?


On 01.05.2016 17:55, Brian wrote:

On Sat 30 Apr 2016 at 21:02:56 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:


On 29.04.2016 22:59, Brian wrote:

On Fri 29 Apr 2016 at 21:57:53 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:

[...Snip...]


It is a source of contention (and a number of bug reports) but it is by

design.

Why such design?

Suppose you want to install Debian; that's the objective after all. An
isohybrid allows mounting the USB stick directly. You dd/cat/cp the
image to a USB stick and boot and there you are - Debian is installed.

What does loop-mounting of an ISO file with GRUB give you?

With Ubuntu distrib you can do the same.
And still you can run it straight from .iso without additional quest and use
of shaman drum.
What's wrong with it?

Nothing, but a Ubuntu live ISO serves a different purpose from the
Debian installer. Which is not to say enhancing a netinst ISO is not
worthwhile and would benefit a few people. Patches to have iso-scan in
these ISOs' initrds were provided a couple of years ago and booting an
ISO with GRUB is on the installer team's list of feature requests.
Meanwhile, there is hd-media and a extra stanza in grub.cfg.


Well, and that's a good part of the story.
As I can see, the all needed functionality is already here. It just 
waiting for some reason to be incorporated in distros.



In my view, it is much more convenient to download new .iso files (or
replace old ones) straight to USB-drive and copy+paste one more menuentry in
grub.cfg (working in any OS which supports FAT), than to do the same (.iso
download in some dedicated folder, changing in grub.cfg) plus
partitioning/repartitioning (with calculation of proper partitions' sizes
every time when you want to use more then 2 distros on 1 USB-drive) and
copying (which requires *nix-like OS already running). If I understand the
process correctly.

The "convenience" argument is a decent one, although it does apply to
quite a narrow use-case.
  

And much more safer, I believe. Because in the first case there are lesser
chances that in a stressful & hasty time doing one more

cp debian-hot-new.iso /dev/sda
sync

you may end up like:«Oh, wait… was it sdb?.. wait… and what was sda then?..
Oh… that was my 40+ years long project in astrophysics… THANK YOU, Debian,
for your design!»

Not a decent argument. Operations such as partitioning and formatting a
USB stick and installing GRUB to its MBR all require root privilege.
  


Of course, but the point is: with which «case there are lesser chances» 
to shoot in own leg:


Case 1: do sudo work and pay proper attention 1 time and fit for all.

Case 2: do it every time when you update your boot collection on the 
USB-drive.



I think KISS principle should be applied not only to tools, but to the user
experience too. Which may be more important. Cause, in the end, everything
we do, we do for others. And who ignores it (for some their reason) will
suffer. For soft production one of the rules may sound like: «If you create
unnecessary obstacles in installation process, you hinder distribution and
hence adoption. Good luck!»

Advice to a newcomer for installing Debian
--
cat ISO to stick. Boot.

Alternative advice to a newcomer for installing Debian
--

Clean stick with dd. Partition stick. Format partition. Copy ISO to
partition. Install GRUB. Construct a grub.cfg and copy to partition.
Boot.



No-no, Brian, look at the situation from slightly different angle:

1-st, it is not a XOR choice. Proper design should provide both options. 
Or either part of potential users will be lost, as I said.


2-nd, you are a bit exaggerating the differences between the possible 
installing ways for newcomer. In your 2-nd alternative their already has 
partitioned and formatted stick (which shipped with FAT by default). 
Installation of grub (by one line of command) and copypasting menuentry 
in text file from official wiki (where the information should live) is 
not harder task then performing cat, trying not to kill fs on the PC's 
main hdd in the process. But the real fun starts when our newcomer wanna 
have more than one distro (cause he's a newcomer and wanna try some 
variants first to choose most promising one) but has only one USB-drive. 
And the 2-nd alternative now actually doesn't exist for newcomer at all, 
because it is too complicated for him.


3-rd, I guess, typical Debian user is not a total Linux newbie, who's 
problem are an ordinary partitioning process or grub install. I guess, 
them more interested in such capabilities as to boot multiple 
OS/versions from one partition or to run installers from virtually any 
commont USB-drive (properly prepared in advance and easily 
reconfigurable in use). And unexplained complication here — that is a 
problem.


As living illustration to the last point we may look at our real 
situation: desirable multiboot from single flash drive (see subj of the 
thread). One solution suggests doing

Re: Rodrigo_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Rodrigo Avila

No more emails please
On May 2, 2016 7:22 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Rodrigo, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here
> no_more_emails?
> *
> 
> */fd
>
>

Re: Lee_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Lee Hinds

I use to be a mechanic mo need for denist

On Monday, May 2, 2016,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Lee, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here *
> *no_more_emails?
> *

Re: Harry_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Harry Shek

FUck OFF

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:18 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Harry, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here *
> *no_more_emails?
> *
> */fd
>
>

Re: Jule_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Jule Kowarsky

Remove this address  from your list please.
On May 2, 2016 10:23 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Jule, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here
> no_more_emails?
> *
> 
> */fd
>
>

Re: Terri_find__your_perfect____ dentist

2016-05-02 Thread Terri Martinez

Stop
On May 2, 2016 9:22 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Dear_Terri, Find the perfect dentist in your area click here
> no_more_emails?
> *
> 
> */fd
>
>

Re: [OT]: May Day


On 01.05.2016 21:27, Haines Brown wrote:
Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist. Haines 


No, but it is new growing relations of production.


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: [OT]: May Day

On Monday 02 May 2016 15:07:29 Piyavkin wrote:
> professional
> parasites

OUCH!  Can we keep politics out of this - be it far left or far right?  This 
list is not the place.

Lisi

Re: Posting picture files

On Monday 02 May 2016 15:01:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 02 May 2016 06:18:02 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2016-04-30 23:20:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 30 April 2016 21:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> > > > I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or
> > > > send anything other than plain text files. This leaves me with a
> > > > problem if I wish to post a screen shot. I have been told that
> > > > debian has a paste bin. Does anyone know the url for that bin.
> > > >
> > > > Gary R
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > Or better: https://paste.debian.net/
>
> Working from 81 yo & rusty wet ram. :(  Thank you for the correction.

But using common sense and attaching is much more likely to be useful.  (See 
Brian's email.)  I make considerable use of the archives, as do many people.  
Some threads are useless without the attachments, and paste bin entries don't 
survive.  Most of us check spam folders before making a fuss about missing 
mail, so this particular case of Gary's attachment would be unlikely to help 
future generations.

AOL always was bad about blocking harmless mail.  Many eons ago I was with 
AOL, as was my ex-husband, when my granddaughter got seriously ill in Japan.  
My son was sending out bulletins by email.  They were reaching neither of her 
blood grandparents - because AOL was blocking ALL mail from the Far East!  
And in those days we couldn't get at the spam folders.

Lisi

Re: [OT]: May Day


On 01.05.2016 18:39, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2016 01 May 08:23 -0500, John Hasler wrote:

Hans Vogelsberger writes:

Why workers only? There are other humans, too.

Class struggle.

I struggled to pay attention in social studies class way back in grade
school 40+ years ago.  Does that count?

;-)

Happy May Day from the workers paradise of a muddy farm somewhere in
northern Kansas.

- Nate



And special Best Wishes come to — Nate from Kansas!

[a soft but energetic banjo music slowly fade in in the background]


Thanks, Nate! )


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: [OT] snmpwalk - Module

2016-05-02 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás

El 02/05/16 a las 16:03, Felix Perez escribió:

Por favor, siento que a algunos les haya sentido de semejante forma y modo
el trance, pero...¿no os parece hacerlo todo fuera de la lista? ¡Paz, amor y
prosperidad!

-- 
Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.



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Re: [OT]: May Day


On 01.05.2016 15:26, Hans Vogelsberger wrote:

Am Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:49:06 +0300
schrieb Piyavkin :


Congratulations with International Worker's Day to all the working
(in FOSS industry and at all) people! )
Have a nice day!


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin


Why workers only? There are other humans, too.



Hans, I've actually addressed all good people, since wast majority of 
the humankind (up to 99%, I guess, except classes of professional 
parasites and criminals) lives by working and serving other's in some 
useful social roles. And actually do not counterpose but complement each 
other. I've consciously said «working people», including here all labour 
classes.


Yeah, I understand that it sounds funny and the humankind doesn't even 
hear me, because I have no my own mass media (and the access to the 
carefully cultivated and formed mass consciousness). I've just sent my 
best wishes on the occasion to those who can hear me, can accept it and 
bounce back. End of story.



And, yeah, I have absolutely nothing at all against any goddess of 
flowers, especially if some come my way in a nice sunny May day.




Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: [OT] snmpwalk - Module

2016-05-02 Thread Felix Perez

El día 2 de mayo de 2016, 10:43, Camaleón  escribió:
> El Sun, 01 May 2016 18:25:30 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:
>
>> El día 1 de mayo de 2016, 16:27, Camaleón  escribió:
>>> El Sun, 01 May 2016 12:17:09 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:
>>>
 Hola buenas, estoy tratando de monitorizar una máquina usando snmp
 pero me da un error de que no puede encontrar el módulo en el path...

 snmpwalk -v2c -c public 10.100.100.100
 IF-MIB::ifTable.ifEntry.ifPhysAddress MIB search path:
>
> (...)
>
 Cannot find module (IF-MIB): At line 0 in (none)
 IF-MIB::ifTable.ifEntry.ifPhysAddress: Unknown Object Identifier


 Esto significa que me lo tengo que descargar de alguna forma y
 colocarlo en el path o ruta?

 Gracias de antemano.
>>>
>>> Echa un ojo a la wiki de Debian y a la documentación oficial:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/SNMP
>>> http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TUT:Using_and_loading_MIBS
>>>
>> Muchas gracias, resuelto.
>
> Pues gracias por (no) compartir la solución >>>:-)
>

Pues de que te quejas, si tu misma haz provocado eso, este sujeto ya
te tomó de soporte técnico gratuito.

Si, si ya sé que me tienes en el filtro, pero este mensaje es para los demás.



-- 
usuario linux  #274354
normas de la lista:  http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista
como hacer preguntas inteligentes:
http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html

Re: Posting picture files

2016-05-02 Thread Gene Heskett

On Monday 02 May 2016 06:18:02 Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2016-04-30 23:20:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 April 2016 21:12:00 Gary Roach wrote:
> > > I understand that I should not use attachments on debian-user or
> > > send anything other than plain text files. This leaves me with a
> > > problem if I wish to post a screen shot. I have been told that
> > > debian has a paste bin. Does anyone know the url for that bin.
> > >
> > > Gary R
> >
> > 
>
> Or better: https://paste.debian.net/

Working from 81 yo & rusty wet ram. :(  Thank you for the correction.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: USB tethering and interface naming on Debian/unstable

2016-05-02 Thread David Wright

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 11:28:47 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> What is the rule for interface naming when doing USB tethering
> on Debian/unstable (with systemd)?
> 
> In December, I had enx02060b0e, but yesterday, I had enp0s20u2.
> Isn't the interface supposed to be fixed?

Not fixed; but predictable. See:
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/

It would appear you have moved from scheme 4 to scheme 3, ie from
4. Names incorporating the interfaces's MAC address (example: enx78e7d1ea46da)
to
3. Names incorporating physical/geographical location of the connector of the 
hardware (example: enp2s0)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 Thread Georges


Le Mon, 2 May 2016 14:00:24 +0200,

SN a écrit :

 Bonjour Sébastien,

> Le lundi 02 mai 2016 à 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :
> > Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?
> 
> Je suis passé de Thunar à PCManFM. Simple, efficace, j’en suis très
> satisfait.
> 
> Sébastien
> 
  PcManFm   plus 1  +1  +10  depuis lenny  ;-)

  et aussi  mc ( Midnight Commander ) pour tout faire ;-)

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: [OT] snmpwalk - Module

2016-05-02 Thread Camaleón

El Sun, 01 May 2016 18:25:30 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

> El día 1 de mayo de 2016, 16:27, Camaleón  escribió:
>> El Sun, 01 May 2016 12:17:09 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:
>>
>>> Hola buenas, estoy tratando de monitorizar una máquina usando snmp
>>> pero me da un error de que no puede encontrar el módulo en el path...
>>>
>>> snmpwalk -v2c -c public 10.100.100.100
>>> IF-MIB::ifTable.ifEntry.ifPhysAddress MIB search path:

(...)

>>> Cannot find module (IF-MIB): At line 0 in (none)
>>> IF-MIB::ifTable.ifEntry.ifPhysAddress: Unknown Object Identifier
>>>
>>>
>>> Esto significa que me lo tengo que descargar de alguna forma y
>>> colocarlo en el path o ruta?
>>>
>>> Gracias de antemano.
>>
>> Echa un ojo a la wiki de Debian y a la documentación oficial:
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/SNMP
>> http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TUT:Using_and_loading_MIBS
>>
> Muchas gracias, resuelto.

Pues gracias por (no) compartir la solución >>>:-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread Camaleón

El Mon, 02 May 2016 09:42:35 -0300, JAP escribió:

> Estimados:
> 
> La siguiente pregunta no tiene nada que ver con los sistemas Debian,
> pero sí con su "espíritu".
> 
> Necesito cargar a la "nube" archivos personales con cierta sensibilidad
> para mí, y no puedo decidir sobre cuál servicio volcarme.

¿Has pensando en montar tu propia "nube"?

> Cabe aclarar que estoy dispuesto a pagar una cuota, por lo que la
> gratuidad no es algo determinante.
> Al pie detallo todo lo que he visto.
> No me gusta lo que está radicado en EEUU; desde el escándalo de
> filtración de datos de DropBox no me fío de la legislación yankee, pues
> si bien no soy una persona de interés para la CIA o el FBI, 

Huy, eso de que no eres POI nunca se sabe >>:-)

> las "puertas traseras" son un fallo de seguridad que no me causan
> gracia.
> De Mega, desde que el gordo se peleó con la esposa, no me da muchas
> seguridades, habida cuenta que le sacaron el manejo de la empresa, a
> pesar de la confianza que le tengo a la ley de Nueva Zelanda.
> Las otras no las conozco, pero como que me está gustando HubiC.
> Un punto muy importante a tener en cuenta, es la sincronización
> automática de la "nube" con carpetas locales, bajo GNU/Linux, por
> supuesto.
> 
> Linux Europa: HubiC Linux Nueva Zelanda: Mega Linux EEUU: SpiderOak,
> Dropbox Europa (no Linux): Tesorit, Bajoo, JottaCloud EEUU (no Linux):
> MS-Drive (ni ahí)

Yo uso (poco, la verdad) SpiderOak, ningún problema reseñable. Eso sí, el 
cliente está instalado en un equipo con Windows así que no te podría 
decir nada sobre la compatibilidad con Linux.

> Como "refuerzo", lo que tengo que sincronizar son carpetas cifradas. La
> paranoia bien entendida empieza por casa; y sí, a veces, como dice la
> canción de Rockwell, "Somebody's watching me".
> 
> Escucho sugerencias.

La única sugerencia que puedo darte es que ningún servicio de terceros es 
fiable, es decir, que llegado el momento tus datos serán accesibles si no 
los cifras antes tú por tu cuenta en local y los subes ya cifrados como 
bien apuntas.

En Wikipedia tienes una comparativa para este tipo de servicios, por si 
te da alguna idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 Thread Eddy F.

Le 2 mai 2016 14:29:59 GMT+02:00, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

>Konqueror est un aussi mauvais navigateur, qu'il n'est pas mal du tout
>en tant que gestionnaire de fichiers.
>
>Il accepte aussi sans broncher les requêtes intranet, internet : smb,
>sftp...


Ou pourquoi pas dolphin ? C'est un peu comme konqueror mais sans son navigateur 
inutile.
-- 
Eddy F. (depuis un téléphone)

Fwd: Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

c'est HS, mais pour la copie ou le déplacement de gros volumes de 
données, je conseille rsync...



 Message transféré 
Sujet : Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?
Date :  Mon, 2 May 2016 14:46:24 +0200
De :Grégory Reinbold 
Pour :  debian-user-french@lists.debian.org



Je dois être privilégié :D

Le 02/05/2016 14:38, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je confirme que thunar a des problèmes et je suis en jessie ...
Régulièrement il plante lors de copie ou déplacement de gros volumes de
données.

A+

Gaëtan

Le Mon, 2 May 2016 13:45:38 +0200
Grégory Reinbold  a écrit:


Bonjour,

Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ?
Perso j'ai une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de
segfaults en 4 ans. Je suis les stable aussi...

Le 02/05/2016 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?

Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas
mal de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un
fichier, et c'est assez pénible.

Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés.
A l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à
ce que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le
relance. Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai
de nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas
à faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".

Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.

Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur
de fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé
sous XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?


--
Grégory Reinbold




--
Grégory Reinbold

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?


Je dois être privilégié :D

Le 02/05/2016 14:38, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je confirme que thunar a des problèmes et je suis en jessie ...
Régulièrement il plante lors de copie ou déplacement de gros volumes de
données.

A+

Gaëtan

Le Mon, 2 May 2016 13:45:38 +0200
Grégory Reinbold  a écrit:


Bonjour,

Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ?
Perso j'ai une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de
segfaults en 4 ans. Je suis les stable aussi...

Le 02/05/2016 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?

Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas
mal de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un
fichier, et c'est assez pénible.

Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés.
A l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à
ce que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le
relance. Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai
de nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas
à faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".

Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.

Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur
de fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé
sous XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?


--
Grégory Reinbold




--
Grégory Reinbold

OT: Servicio seguro en la "nube".

2016-05-02 Thread JAP


Estimados:

La siguiente pregunta no tiene nada que ver con los sistemas Debian, 
pero sí con su "espíritu".


Necesito cargar a la "nube" archivos personales con cierta sensibilidad 
para mí, y no puedo decidir sobre cuál servicio volcarme.
Cabe aclarar que estoy dispuesto a pagar una cuota, por lo que la 
gratuidad no es algo determinante.

Al pie detallo todo lo que he visto.
No me gusta lo que está radicado en EEUU; desde el escándalo de 
filtración de datos de DropBox no me fío de la legislación yankee, pues 
si bien no soy una persona de interés para la CIA o el FBI, las "puertas 
traseras" son un fallo de seguridad que no me causan gracia.
De Mega, desde que el gordo se peleó con la esposa, no me da muchas 
seguridades, habida cuenta que le sacaron el manejo de la empresa, a 
pesar de la confianza que le tengo a la ley de Nueva Zelanda.

Las otras no las conozco, pero como que me está gustando HubiC.
Un punto muy importante a tener en cuenta, es la sincronización 
automática de la "nube" con carpetas locales, bajo GNU/Linux, por supuesto.


Linux Europa: HubiC
Linux Nueva Zelanda: Mega
Linux EEUU: SpiderOak, Dropbox
Europa (no Linux): Tesorit, Bajoo, JottaCloud
EEUU (no Linux): MS-Drive (ni ahí)

Como "refuerzo", lo que tengo que sincronizar son carpetas cifradas. La 
paranoia bien entendida empieza por casa; y sí, a veces, como dice la 
canción de Rockwell, "Somebody's watching me".


Escucho sugerencias.

Muchas gracias a todos.

JAP

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER

Bonjour,

Je confirme que thunar a des problèmes et je suis en jessie ...
Régulièrement il plante lors de copie ou déplacement de gros volumes de
données.

A+

Gaëtan

Le Mon, 2 May 2016 13:45:38 +0200
Grégory Reinbold  a écrit:

> Bonjour,
> 
> Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ?
> Perso j'ai une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de
> segfaults en 4 ans. Je suis les stable aussi...
> 
> Le 02/05/2016 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> >
> > Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
> > satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?
> >
> > Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas
> > mal de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un
> > fichier, et c'est assez pénible.
> >
> > Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés.
> > A l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à
> > ce que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le
> > relance. Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai
> > de nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
> > insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas
> > à faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".
> >
> > Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
> > l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
> > plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.
> >
> > Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
> > graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur
> > de fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé
> > sous XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?
> >
> 
> -- 
> Grégory Reinbold


-- 
Gaëtan PERRIER

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 Thread andre_debian

On Monday 02 May 2016 13:41:27 Gabriel Philippe wrote:
> Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
> satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?
> Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas mal
> de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un fichier, et
> c'est assez pénible.
> Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés. A
> l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à ce
> que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le relance.
> Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai de
> nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
> insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas à
> faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".
> Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
> l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
> plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.
> Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
> graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur de
> fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé sous
> XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?

Konqueror est un aussi mauvais navigateur, qu'il n'est pas mal du tout
en tant que gestionnaire de fichiers.

Il accepte aussi sans broncher les requêtes intranet, internet : smb, sftp...

André

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 14:19 GMT+02:00 Grégory Reinbold :
> Essaye une version stable :)
>
> Qu'il y ai des Couac dans une Unstable ne m'étonne pas...

Je préfère éviter de faire cohabiter des sources différentes, et en
général les bugs dans unstable sont rapidement corrigés (là cela fait
plusieurs mois).

Si c'est bien un bug dans thunar et pas sur mes machines, il finira
peut-être par passer dans stable. :)

-- 
Gabriel

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 14:00 GMT+02:00 Sébastien NOBILI :
> Je suis passé de Thunar à PCManFM. Simple, efficace, j’en suis très satisfait.

Ça semble très bien, merci!

-- 
Gabriel

Re: Posts don't show on list

2016-05-02 Thread Brian

On Mon 02 May 2016 at 12:06:04 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 02 May 2016 11:51:46 Brian wrote:
> > I don't know where you (or anyone else) gets the idea there is a 10K
> > maximum size limit on attachments in mails sent to -user.
> 
> Here is where I (recently) got it - the CoC just says "not large". :-/
> --
> 
>   "Do not submit an attachment larger than 10 KiB. Consider using
> paste.debian.net and including a link in your post."
> 
> From 
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines.2C_and_Tips
> 
> ---
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1462115259.13066.3.ca...@whiz.se

Note that the wiki page is general advice for all Debian mailing lists.
The advice appeared in 2004; how useful and accurate it was then is not
easy to determine but it does not appear to have any general validity
in 2016. For example, while there is no doubt a limit, debian-systemd
accepts mails with 400K attachments. Other mailing lists have a similar
policy, notably when bug reports are involved.

The CoC says:

  > Avoid sending large attachments.

Make of that what you will when it comes to debian-user but the
usefulness of the advice is limited. Perhaps it is more an exhortation
to a user to think carefully about what he is doing when posting to a
particular list. A multi-100K attachment to -user isn't considerate and
would probably get chopped off at the knees! Similarily for a multi-M
one to -systemd.

My guess for the size limit for -user is about 50K-100k. The one
attached is about 40K. Everyone likes a Debian logo. :)

debootstrap mips jessie failure

2016-05-02 Thread Sergey Fedorov

Hi,

I can't make jessie chroot system for mips or mipsel. How I do:

# Prepare chroot
prepare_chroot() {
suit=$1
target=$2
chroot_name=$3
arch=${4:-`dpkg --print-architecture`}
extra_packages="ccache"
user=`id -un`
root_user=$user
if test "$arch" != "`dpkg --print-architecture`"; then
foreign=true
debootstrap_extra_opts="$debootstrap_extra_opts --arch=$arch
--foreign"
fi
case $suit in
jessie|sid) mirror="http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/; ;;
esac
sudo su -c '\
mkdir -p '$target' &&
debootstrap --variant=buildd '"$debootstrap_extra_opts"'
--include='$extra_packages' '$suit' '$target' '$mirror' &&
tee /etc/schroot/chroot.d/'$chroot_name'.conf >/dev/null

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?


Essaye une version stable :)

Qu'il y ai des Couac dans une Unstable ne m'étonne pas...

Le 02/05/2016 14:09, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :

2016-05-02 13:45 GMT+02:00 Grégory Reinbold :

Bonjour,

Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ? Perso j'ai
une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de segfaults en 4 ans.

Unstable. Même problème sur deux ordinateurs.

kernel: [599946.305351] thunar[19974]: segfault at 1 ip
7ff2b02437ed sp 7ffe8781dd08 error 4 in
libgobject-2.0.so.0.4800.0[7ff2b020f000+52000]

thunar ou libglib en cause...



--
Grégory Reinbold

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 13:45 GMT+02:00 Grégory Reinbold :
> Bonjour,
>
> Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ? Perso j'ai
> une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de segfaults en 4 ans.

Unstable. Même problème sur deux ordinateurs.

kernel: [599946.305351] thunar[19974]: segfault at 1 ip
7ff2b02437ed sp 7ffe8781dd08 error 4 in
libgobject-2.0.so.0.4800.0[7ff2b020f000+52000]

thunar ou libglib en cause...

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

2016-05-02 Thread Sébastien NOBILI

Le lundi 02 mai 2016 à 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :
> Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?

Je suis passé de Thunar à PCManFM. Simple, efficace, j’en suis très satisfait.

Sébastien

Re: Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?


Bonjour,

Des segfaults avec Thunar ? Tu es sur quelle version de Debian ? Perso 
j'ai une machine sous Wheezy puis Jessie x64 et jamais eu de segfaults 
en 4 ans. Je suis les stable aussi...


Le 02/05/2016 13:41, Gabriel Philippe a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?

Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas mal
de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un fichier, et
c'est assez pénible.

Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés. A
l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à ce
que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le relance.
Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai de
nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas à
faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".

Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.

Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur de
fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé sous
XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?



--
Grégory Reinbold

Quel gestionnaire de fichiers utiliser?

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à me fixer sur un gestionnaire de fichiers
satisfaisant. En connaissez-vous un?

Thunar : je l'ai utilisé longtemps et l'apprécie, mais depuis pas mal
de mois il fait souvent des segfaults quand je déplace un fichier, et
c'est assez pénible.

Caja : impossible d'ouvrir les fenêtres dans des processus séparés. A
l'usage il devient de plus en plus lent et inutilisable, jusqu'à ce
que je ferme le processus (et donc toutes les fenêtres) et le relance.
Comme mon ordinateur est allumé en permanence et que j'ai de
nombreuses fenêtres sur de nombreux bureaux virtuels, c'est
insupportable. Et malgré l'extension pour le faire, je n'arrive pas à
faire marcher "ouvrir un terminal ici".

Nautilus : je viens de le réessayer, je n'aime pas du tout
l'interface, je ne peux pas afficher les fichiers dans une liste à
plusieurs colonnes, et il y a pas mal d'autre choses qui m'énervent.

Ranger est assez exceptionnel, mais je cherche quelque chose de
graphique. Je crois que je n'ai rien vu de mieux que l'explorateur de
fichiers de Windows 95/98, qui n'avait je crois pas trop changé sous
XP. Sobre, simple, rapide. Et vous, qu'utilisez-vous?

-- 
Gabriel

Re: Posts don't show on list