alsa entrée et sortie son différentes

[jérémy prego]

bonjour,

quelqu'un utiliserait-il  encore alsa avec une configuration a 2 carte 
son sur une Debian récente ? les fichier asound.conf ou .asound que je 
trouve sur le net ne me donne pas entière satisfaction, je n'ai pas le 
multicanal ou le dmix dans le langage ALSA. je suis en train d'essayer 
pulseaudio, mais le son n'est pas bon du tout, il craque, ne fonctionne 
pas quand il n'y a aucune session de lancer, bref, un outil que je maudit.
pour Pulseaudio j'ai bien appliqué ce que j'ai trouvé dans les docs 
d'Ubuntu par exemple mais rien a faire, ça craque toujours...


ce que je souhaite faire avec alsa, c'est d'avoir la carte 0 pour la 
lecture et la carte 1 pour la capture.
malheureusement, le logiciel ne permet pas de choisir le son dans sa 
config, donc je suis obligé de le faire au niveau du système


merci beaucoup !

jerem

Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

[Blair, Charles E III]

   I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
problems with this, and have been advised that I
need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
some other painless way.

Re: Problem google-chrome Flash Player with http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news

[cbannister]

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 03:05:13PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> On 01/14/2017 09:30 AM, solitone wrote:
> >On Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:15:11 AM CET Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >>and on mine not!

Hey, come on! You've installed a 3rd party package and you're
asking on this list why it doesn't work? 

That's a rhetorical question BTW.

> >Are you on stretch as well?
> 
> Sid.

... and you're running Sid?

At the least you should have marked this post [OT]
in the subject.

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[David Wright]

On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 08:50:55 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/19/2017 08:08 AM, David Wright wrote:
> >[snip ;]
> >
> >How's the other research coming along?
> >Did you see if there were files whose timestamps change?
> >Did you see whether you can find the files which are apparently
> >indexed in /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list?
> >And if/when you find them, what are you going to use them for,
> >in view of your new philosophy of working from the DVDs anyway?
> 
> It's not new. People just assumed that I would do things a certain
> way because that would be the way they would do it.
> I put effort into asking narrowly focused questions.

And I put effort into answering it as best I could.
The first answer to the thread may well be correct, but
you don't appear to have looked to see if it was correct.

I suggested /var/lib as another possibility, partly because
I think it would be easier to eliminate. All the files in
my /var/lib/apt are plain text, so it would be hard to hide
the information from scanned CDs.

OTOH /var/cache/apt contains a couple of .bin files which
have package names in them. Not having CDs to scan, I can't
test the file timestamp idea. If they changed, it would
suggest Jonathan was correct, but be trickier to prove.
Hence checking, and possibly eliminating, /var/lib.
Also there's the point that those .bin files may contain more
than just some CD indexes, so sharing them between different
systems would be high-risk.

So you haven't answered Jonathan's suggestion nor mine.
Instead, just some of the usual vague waffle about reading
lists, and complaints that the answers aren't good enough
for you.

I wrote to you privately in 2015 about this. Curt has just
written "it's obvious Dick Owlett is crowdsourcing his retirement",
but I think that ignores the fact that crowdsourcing should
involve reciprocal benefits.

> Many, in
> effect, say "Owlett can't mean ..." and proceed to answer "The
> question Owlett should have asked is ' ...? ' " ;}
> 

That's a legitimate course of action. In many cases, those
answers could be of use to many people reading this list,
particularly in view of the self-confessed statement that you
take "the road less traveled".

> >Or is it the 13 bookmarks added to your reading list that's the
> >only important thing?
> 
> For now. Those links provide the resources I need to answer a
> broader set of questions that this thread is just the tip of a
> proverbial iceberg.

As usual.

> The subject line is my question.
> Perhaps my original post gave too much information and should have
> been replaced by a single line quoting the subject line.
> 
> Perhaps the Subject/Body could have been phrased as
> "Where is what data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?"
> 
> Those 13 bookmarks will begin to answer that question.

I'm pessimistic about your making much progress with this
methodology. man apt-cdrom IMO is trying to put people off
from taking a simplistic approach, and the lack of documentation
of the whereabouts of the information is probably significant too.

But your reticence about revealing what you end up trying has
consequences. As I said, copying the DVDs was discussed many
months ago. "That has gone thru several variations, some mutually
inconsistent" is a response that's about par for the course.
I for one have lost interest.

Cheers,
David.

Re: problems after installing Debian

[Michael Milliman]

On 03/19/2017 07:18 PM, Harry wrote:
> Hi,
>  I have installed Debian 8.5.0 cinnamon i386 .I like the program 
> after having a lot of crashes with linux mint !
> My problem now is i can't get anything to play a video disc , Totem
> does'nt work , video player gives the message could not support
> initializing library.
> Forums  suggest uninstalling gstreamer but then i find theres  several
> in the the system , so which one or all ??
> Nothing seems to  help . I thought of updating  Debian but i can't find
> out how to do that either ! Linux mint had a simple update manager .
> Hope you can help .
>  Thank you , Harry
As an addendum to my previous post on this topic, the reason this
library is not included in the Debian repositories is that there are
legal issues in some jurisdictions associated with using this library.
I'm not sure exactly what the legal issues are, but it has something to
do with copyrights, not of the library, but of the videos.  So, you
might want to check on the legalities in your jurisdiction.
-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

Re: problems after installing Debian

[Michael Milliman]

On 03/19/2017 07:18 PM, Harry wrote:
> Hi,
>  I have installed Debian 8.5.0 cinnamon i386 .I like the program 
> after having a lot of crashes with linux mint !
> My problem now is i can't get anything to play a video disc , Totem
> does'nt work , video player gives the message could not support
> initializing library.
The problem is that the Debian repositories do not have the libdvdcss
library, which is required for most modern DVDs.  I have had the same
problem, and have had to solve it.  Add the following line to your
/etc/apt/sources.list file:

deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /

Once this is added to sources.list, run:
sudo apt-get update
(or press the reload button in synaptic)
Then run:
sudo apt-get install libdvdcss
(or select the package of that name in synaptic and install it)
This should solve your problem.

This library is written and provided by the same group that writes the
VLC media player, and works rather well.

> Forums  suggest uninstalling gstreamer but then i find theres  several
> in the the system , so which one or all ??
> Nothing seems to  help . I thought of updating  Debian but i can't find
> out how to do that either ! Linux mint had a simple update manager .
> Hope you can help .
>  Thank you , Harry

-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

Re: Re: Wifi Drivers still not recognized by Debian, even when using Netinst

[Dean]

Thank you for your guys' help. I assumed that meant I had to download 
and install the packages manually after installing through the live CD 
and went that route.


While trying to install Debian again, I have run into another possibly 
unrelated problem. After going through most of the install procedure, I 
get an error message while trying to install the boot loader:


"Executing grub-install failed"
"This is a fatal error"

Where can I access error logs that tell me what actually happened, 
because this is really vague and I don't know what I'm supposed to do 
with this. The drive was wiped during the partitioning process and I 
have no operating systems on the laptop (although I have tried to 
install Debian multiple times at this point).

How do I play a video disc with Debian? was: Re: problems after installing Debian

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 20 March 2017 00:18:37 Harry wrote:
> Hi, I have installed Debian 8.5.0 cinnamon i386 .I like the program 
> after having a lot of crashes with linux mint !My problem now is i can't
> get anything to play a video disc , Totem does'nt work , video player gives
> the message could not support initializing library. Forums  suggest
> uninstalling gstreamer but then i find theres  several in the the system ,
> so which one or all ??Nothing seems to  help . I thought of updating 
> Debian but i can't find out how to do that either ! Linux mint had a simple
> update manager .Hope you can help .
> Thank you , Harry

Welcome to Debian.

Just changing subject line to attract people who know about video.  

What have you got in your sources.list?  /etc/apt/sources.list  That is 
usually a good place to start, because you may need some additional and 
non-free software, which may not be available in Debian main.

There are lots of ways to update.  I use (and recommend)
# aptitude update
# aptitude full-upgrade
at the command line,
but by saying so I have probably started a flame war.  As I said, there are 
lots of ways.

Whichever way you do it, you should certainly upgrade now!!  Confusingly, 
Debian uses the term upgrade for what you are meaning by update.

Lisi

problems after installing Debian

[Harry]

Hi, I have installed Debian 8.5.0 cinnamon i386 .I like the program  after 
having a lot of crashes with linux mint !My problem now is i can't get anything 
to play a video disc , Totem does'nt work , video player gives the message 
could not support initializing library. 
Forums  suggest uninstalling gstreamer but then i find theres  several in the 
the system , so which one or all ??Nothing seems to  help . I thought of 
updating  Debian but i can't find out how to do that either ! Linux mint had a 
simple update manager .Hope you can help . 
Thank you , Harry

Re: Wifi Drivers still not recognized by Debian, even when using Netinst

[Brian]

On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 13:33:14 -0700, Dean Valentine wrote:

> Hi, I was having trouble contacting the mailing list on my other thread, so
> I just started a new one.

Sorry to heae that. We wondered where you were and passed the time
discussing the usefulness of reading and the place of documentation.
 
> I have attempted to use both the live-iso and netinst iso with bundled
> non-free drivers, but Debian still can't detect/load my wifi. To rehash,
> 
> 1. I use an Acer Aspire S laptop.
> 2. The error looks like this:
> https://puu.sh/uQsLL/2661cdaa7c.jpg
> 3. My lspci output looks like this:
> https://puu.sh/uQsUJ/ff0045aa59.jpg
> 4. Here's dmesg grepped for "driver" and "ath":
> https://puu.sh/uQt0l/a321614cd6.jpg
> 
> I don't know what to do. Other operating systems manage to find and use my
> wifi, but Debian is different, even using its proprietary-firmware-bundled
> ISO.

You have an Atheros 10k device. The Jessie installer was put together
before firmware was available to it. Complete the install and read

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00631.html

Or vice-versa. What you need to do is not that hard.  Ask again if
unsure of a way forward.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Wifi Drivers still not recognized by Debian, even when using Netinst

[GiaThnYgeia]

Dean Valentine:
> Hi, I was having trouble contacting the mailing list on my other thread, so
> I just started a new one.
> 
> I have attempted to use both the live-iso and netinst iso with bundled
> non-free drivers, but Debian still can't detect/load my wifi. To rehash,
> 
> 1. I use an Acer Aspire S laptop.
> 2. The error looks like this:
> https://puu.sh/uQsLL/2661cdaa7c.jpg
> 3. My lspci output looks like this:
> https://puu.sh/uQsUJ/ff0045aa59.jpg
> 4. Here's dmesg grepped for "driver" and "ath":
> https://puu.sh/uQt0l/a321614cd6.jpg

Have you seen this?
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/520031-Qualcomm-Atheros-QCA6174-wireless-not-working/page2?s=11bc494a125b203d71b812d8f58abe1f


https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-atheros - Qualcomm Atheros
QCA6174 rev 3.0 firmware, versionWLAN.RM.2.0-00180-QCARMSWPZ-1
(ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-4.bin)

> I don't know what to do. Other operating systems manage to find and use my
> wifi, but Debian is different, even using its proprietary-firmware-bundled
> ISO.
> 

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[G2PC]

Tu utilises ton propre serveur mail ?

Un webmail ?


Le 19/03/2017 à 20:27, Cyrille a écrit :
> Bizarre, bizarre
>
> Quand je poste sur la liste, j'ai au moins un délai d'une bonne heure
> entre l'envoi de mes messages et leur apparition sur la liste.
> De ce fait, je suis toujours en décalage avec le fil de la conversation
> (Exemple : sur le thread  "alléger un PDF", j'ai posté à 19h et il est
> tombé à 20h17)
>
> Vous savez d'où ça peut venir ?
>
> Merci bien !
>

Re: alléger une image pdf

[zulian]

Le dimanche 19 mars 2017, 18:53:15 CET bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
> bonjour,
> 
> 
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?
> 
> 
> slt
> bernard

Bonjour,

 Ouvrir avec Gimp + modifs des conditions d'export.
Le principe étant plus l'image est légère + elle est dégradée;

A +

--

Frédéric ZULIAN

Wifi Drivers still not recognized by Debian, even when using Netinst

[Dean Valentine]

Hi, I was having trouble contacting the mailing list on my other thread, so
I just started a new one.

I have attempted to use both the live-iso and netinst iso with bundled
non-free drivers, but Debian still can't detect/load my wifi. To rehash,

1. I use an Acer Aspire S laptop.
2. The error looks like this:
https://puu.sh/uQsLL/2661cdaa7c.jpg
3. My lspci output looks like this:
https://puu.sh/uQsUJ/ff0045aa59.jpg
4. Here's dmesg grepped for "driver" and "ath":
https://puu.sh/uQt0l/a321614cd6.jpg

I don't know what to do. Other operating systems manage to find and use my
wifi, but Debian is different, even using its proprietary-firmware-bundled
ISO.

Re: alléger une image pdf

[pascalv]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Émile CARRY wrote:


je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?

Tu peux aussi passer par ghostscript :
Réduire la taille d'un pdf :
gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOUTPUTFILE=pdf_reduit.pdf -f
pdf_a_reduire.pdf

ça marche pas mal avec des images


Merci beaucoup, cela me servira à moi aussi
Cette solution a l'avantage de prendre du PDF en entrée et de fournir du 
PDF en sortie

Re: alléger une image pdf

[Christophe Gallaire]

Bonsoir,

S'agit-il d'alléger le document PDF ou une image qui est insérée dans un PDF ?

Si c'est la première option : gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q
-sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=out.pdf tonfichier.pdf

@+

Christophe

Le 19 mars 2017 à 21:00, Cyrille  a écrit :
> Hello
> convert ?
> (image magic)
>
> style
> convert -density 300 test.pdf -background white -alpha off -resize
> 990x1400 -quality 85 test.jpg
>
>
> Le Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:53:15 +0100 (CET),
> bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
>
>> bonjour,
>>
>>
>> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?
>>
>>
>> slt
>> bernard
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Makhnovtchina, Makhnovtchina
> Tes drapeaux sont noirs dans le vent
> ils sont noirs de notre peine
> ils sont rouges de notre sang...
>



-- 
Carnet de route : http://www.christophegallaire.org/photoblog/

Re: tor -- way OT

[GiaThnYgeia]

Latincom:
> 
> Really nice post, thanks:
> I have one [OT] question, i use Wheezy at work, but i tested Kodachi a 
> Debian derivative, and it took the HWID! Is it a security problem? Well, 
> a second question, are you saying, that when i use Tails, i must not 
> permit scrips? 

Some of those systems are meant to run live or in vm and not installed
on the hd.  I don't know about Kodachi but tails is basically a debian
package hardened into a live system with networking restricted through
tor.  It allows you to make a conscious decision and use the "unsafe"
browser, which is more unsafe than tbb with scripts enabled.  So I will
propose to you to ask yourself, are those who you trust requiring you to
enable scripts to read their information or participate in a forum?
So, what is it they don't understand?  Aaaahhh!!  Stick with debian!
>From your debian repository you can install forum, webmail, webpage,
servers that function perfectly without scripts.  So the question that
comes to mind is does it have to be this way?
enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx/2013/01/27/them-and-us-v-the-sixth#it
doesn’t have to be this way


I am not 100% sure of the internals of all this, I say what I trully can
understand.  Can you mount your hard drive through the use of tails?
Can you read data off of it?  If by enabling scripts you indirectly
allowing an application to open ports on networking that were otherwise
shut.  Then data from you hd could  potentially pass through on the
network.  What may be encrypted beyond your machine or your lan is not
encrypted within your machine.  You can read it.  And you can never ever
be sure who is on the other side of the connection ... can you bet your
children that wikipedia today is what it was and it is not a wikipedia
to you looking like a wikipedia?

There is no limit to how paranoid you may get in digital systems when
even your physical surroundings provide plenty of grounds to be paranoid
about.  You just take some "relative" good measures appropriate for your
use based on a general consensus of those who deal with "the problem".
Your definition of the problem is the definition of what you consider
safe.  Some distrust big-profitable corporations and distrust
governments.  Some are exactly the opposite.  Some don't trust either
but consider their political/religious safe-heavens to trust.  And then
there are those that do not really trust anything and anybody, and
although I feel bad for them they have already lost in their own
personal nightmare game.  So, how many lights do you see Jean-Luc?  Stay
with us!

There is what some may call ethical hacking which has stricter moral
code than the Vatican, Jerusalem or Mecca combined. And then there is
the scum of the earth who deal in child exploitation, of lives and
exchange of contraband that benefit from all this.  To answer some of
these questions is to provide the child molester or the non-adult
traffickers and poison distributors the tools to be more effective.
Which is a moral dilemma.  You can destroy a life with a hammer and the
hammer is perfectly legal and socially acceptable, as a tool.

> Lat

kAt

-- 
 "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG

Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

Bizarre, bizarre

Quand je poste sur la liste, j'ai au moins un délai d'une bonne heure
entre l'envoi de mes messages et leur apparition sur la liste.
De ce fait, je suis toujours en décalage avec le fil de la conversation
(Exemple : sur le thread  "alléger un PDF", j'ai posté à 19h et il est
tombé à 20h17)

Vous savez d'où ça peut venir ?

Merci bien !

Re: Serveur virtuel

[alain . kelleter]

Je te conseil également d'aller jeter un œil chez time4vps ils ont des offres 
sérieuses á prix modéré. Je suis client chez eux depuis 2 ans. 
https://www.time4vps.eu. Bonne chance dans ta recherche.

Le 19 mars 2017 à 16:01 +0100, daniel huhardeaux , a écrit :
> Le 19/03/2017 (tel:19/03/2017) à 15:29, Francois Mescam a écrit :
> > https://www.online.net
> https://www.hetzner.de/fr/hosting/produkte_vserver/cx10
> >
> > On 19/03/2017 15:08, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote:
> > > Bonjour à tous,
> > >
> > > Connaissez-vous un ou des services qui permettrait de louer un
> > > serveur virtuel afin
> > > d'essayer de mettre en œuvre un serveur FTP, un serveur de mail, un
> > > serveur web, 
> > > Cela éviterait d'utiliser ma machine personnel à des fins pédagogique.
> > >
> > > Merci beaucoup.
> > > Alex
> --
> Daniel
>

Re: alléger une image pdf

[Cyrille]

Hello 
convert ?
(image magic)

style
convert -density 300 test.pdf -background white -alpha off -resize
990x1400 -quality 85 test.jpg


Le Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:53:15 +0100 (CET),
bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :

> bonjour,
> 
> 
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?
> 
> 
> slt
> bernard
> 



-- 
Makhnovtchina, Makhnovtchina 
Tes drapeaux sont noirs dans le vent
ils sont noirs de notre peine
ils sont rouges de notre sang...

Re: Debian Live CD standart

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 19 March 2017 17:27:34 Alex wrote:
> Здравствуйте!
> Скачал Debian Live CD standart записал на флешку программой
> Win32DiskImager. Запускается окно с выбором, выбираю первый вариант,
> после некоторых процессов просит ввести логин и пароль. Что нужно
> вводить? Ранее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.

This is the English speaking Debian-User list.  You want:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/

Lisi

Re: alléger une image pdf

[Émile CARRY]

Le 19/03/2017 à 19:22, JF Straeten a écrit :
> Re,
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 06:53:15PM +0100, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote:
>
> [...]
>> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?
Tu peux aussi passer par ghostscript :
Réduire la taille d'un pdf :
gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOUTPUTFILE=pdf_reduit.pdf -f
pdf_a_reduire.pdf

ça marche pas mal avec des images

Debian Live CD standart

[Alex]

Здравствуйте!
Скачал Debian Live CD standart записал на флешку программой
Win32DiskImager. Запускается окно с выбором, выбираю первый вариант,
после некоторых процессов просит ввести логин и пароль. Что нужно
вводить? Ранее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.

Re: alléger une image pdf

[JF Straeten]

Re,

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 06:53:15PM +0100, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote:

[...]
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?

Sans préjudice des autres suggestions, tu peux aussi :

- l'extraire avec pdfimages

- la redimensionner (-resize) et ou changer sa résolution (-resample)
  avec convert

- en refaire un PDF, toujours avec convert, mais en spécifiant l'algo
  de compression adéquat en fonction du format (-compress Group4
  |JPEG), et le cas échéant (c.-à-d. si c'est un jpeg), la qualité
  (-quality).

En chipotant un peu, cette chaîne peut presque faire des miracles, en
termes de poids du fichier bien entendu :-)

Hih,

-- 

JFS.

Re: alléger une image pdf

[bernard . schoenacker]

- Mail original -
De: "hamster" 
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Dimanche 19 Mars 2017 19:03:10
Objet: Re: alléger une image pdf

Le 19/03/2017 à 18:53, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
> bonjour,
>
>
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?

extraire l'image du pdf (typiquement clic droit sur l'image puis 
"enregistrer l'image sous") et ainsi obtenir un fichier .jpg ou .png (ou 
autre format d'image) et l'alleger avec gimp

ou alors clic droit sur l'image et "copier" puis la coller dans gimp

bonjour,

j'ai fait quelques recherches et j'ai trouvé smallpdf  (en ligne) ...


slt
bernard

Re: programmatically determining the desktop environment of a system

[Dan Hitt]

Thanks Stefan for your reply.

Stefan: i think you're right, that's sort of my experience as well,
although sometimes some programs feel more broken in one environment
than another.  (Like, with a certain desktop, iirc, some programs made
good use of having a right click on the dock, some didn't, and some
only got boiler plate icons or none at all on the dock.   I don't want
to name the desktop which showed these issues up in such stark relief
because my memory may be faulty, it is probably an old version by now,
and no point for me to be provocative over tentative plans!)

Thanks Tomas for the two links.  If i were programming in perl, the
first link would be right to the point.  And the second list looks
like it would be a good source to draw some testing targets from.

Thanks again everybody for the education.

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Stefan Monnier
 wrote:
>> Could i identify the environment by inspecting the file system (for
>> example)?  (I imagine the answer there must be 'no', because different
>> users could have different environments but necessarily share the same
>> file system, but maybe i'm making some unjustified assumptions?)
>
> That's right.  Most of my systems have both Gnome and XFCE installed at
> the same time, and some of them have both active at the same time (for
> different users running on different virtual terminals).
>
> Also, the meaning of "desktop environment" is not completely clear
> anyway: I've used the same programs (mostly ctwm, Emacs, Xterm, and
> Firefox) for many years now, first without a so-called desktop
> environment, then under Gnome2, then shortly under Gnome3 and now
> under XFCE.  To the untrained eye, all 4 situations result in pretty
> much the exact same behavior and the exact same appearance.
>
>
> Stefan
>

Re: alléger une image pdf

[hamster]

Le 19/03/2017 à 18:53, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :

bonjour,


je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?


extraire l'image du pdf (typiquement clic droit sur l'image puis 
"enregistrer l'image sous") et ainsi obtenir un fichier .jpg ou .png (ou 
autre format d'image) et l'alleger avec gimp


ou alors clic droit sur l'image et "copier" puis la coller dans gimp

Re: alléger une image pdf

[Belaïd]

Bonjour,
Essai (par exemple) avec Master PDF Editor. Quand tu sauvegarde ton PDF il
t'offre plusieurs options pour gérer la qualité, la taille ...

Le 19 mars 2017 à 18:53,  a écrit :

> bonjour,
>
>
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?
>
>
> slt
> bernard
>
>


-- 
< Belaid >

alléger une image pdf

[bernard . schoenacker]

bonjour,


je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?


slt
bernard

Re: Serveur virtuel

[daniel huhardeaux]

Le 19/03/2017 à 15:29, Francois Mescam a écrit :

https://www.online.net

https://www.hetzner.de/fr/hosting/produkte_vserver/cx10


On 19/03/2017 15:08, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote:

Bonjour à tous,

Connaissez-vous un ou des services qui permettrait de louer un 
serveur virtuel afin
d'essayer de mettre en œuvre un serveur FTP, un serveur de mail, un 
serveur web, 

Cela éviterait d'utiliser ma machine personnel à des fins pédagogique.

Merci beaucoup.
Alex

--
Daniel

Re: Serveur virtuel

[Dominique Asselineau]

Francois Mescam wrote on Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 03:29:47PM +0100
> https://www.online.net

On peut également évoquer proxgroup.fr.   On va forcément citer OVH qu'on dit
le moins cher.  Ensuite il faut essayer d'évaluer la qualité du service.
Il y a des sites qui tentent de faire ça.

Dominique



> 
> On 19/03/2017 15:08, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote:
> >Bonjour à tous,
> >
> >Connaissez-vous un ou des services qui permettrait de louer un serveur
> >virtuel afin
> >d'essayer de mettre en œuvre un serveur FTP, un serveur de mail, un
> >serveur web, 
> >Cela éviterait d'utiliser ma machine personnel à des fins pédagogique.
> >
> >Merci beaucoup.
> >Alex
> 
> 
> -- 
>  Francois Mescam
> 

-- 

Re: Serveur virtuel

[Francois Mescam]

https://www.online.net

On 19/03/2017 15:08, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote:

Bonjour à tous,

Connaissez-vous un ou des services qui permettrait de louer un serveur 
virtuel afin
d'essayer de mettre en œuvre un serveur FTP, un serveur de mail, un 
serveur web, 

Cela éviterait d'utiliser ma machine personnel à des fins pédagogique.

Merci beaucoup.
Alex



--
 Francois Mescam

Serveur virtuel

[alex . padoly]

Bonjour à tous, 

Connaissez-vous un ou des services qui permettrait de louer un serveur virtuel 
afin 
d'essayer de mettre en œuvre un serveur FTP, un serveur de mail, un serveur 
web,  
Cela éviterait d'utiliser ma machine personnel à des fins pédagogique. 

Merci beaucoup. 
Alex 

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/19/2017 08:08 AM, David Wright wrote:

[snip ;]

How's the other research coming along?
Did you see if there were files whose timestamps change?
Did you see whether you can find the files which are apparently
indexed in /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list?
And if/when you find them, what are you going to use them for,
in view of your new philosophy of working from the DVDs anyway?


It's not new. People just assumed that I would do things a certain way 
because that would be the way they would do it.
I put effort into asking narrowly focused questions. Many, in effect, 
say "Owlett can't mean ..." and proceed to answer "The question Owlett 
should have asked is ' ...? ' " ;}




Or is it the 13 bookmarks added to your reading list that's the
only important thing?


For now. Those links provide the resources I need to answer a broader 
set of questions that this thread is just the tip of a proverbial iceberg.


The subject line is my question.
Perhaps my original post gave too much information and should have been 
replaced by a single line quoting the subject line.


Perhaps the Subject/Body could have been phrased as
"Where is what data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?"

Those 13 bookmarks will begin to answer that question.



Cheers,
David.

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[David Wright]

On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 06:35:59 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/18/2017 06:13 PM, Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 18 Mar 2017 at 19:23:00 +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> >
> >>Brian:
> >Stop pissing about. Is the data in /var/lib/apt or not?
> 
> I use to have friends like you when I worked in boat yards  and
> ships.  They seemed to behave better while talking to someone with a 4"
> pipe wrench in hand.  Is this what it is about?  Not having a wrench
> around you?
> >>>
> >>>Nobody likes being shouted at; it is very upsetting. You can tell how
> >>>upset I was because I used "Is..." instead of "Are..." in my response.
> >>
> >>I don't what exactly you mean by this, I may have lost the connection.
> >
> >The word "data" is plural. Like "bacteria" or "criteria" or "nuclei" or
> >"dice".
> >
> >-
> >Brian.
> >
> >
> 
> But "data", being a collective noun, may take either a singular or
> plural verb.
> http://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/SubjectVerb.html#collective
> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001874.html

Good of you to settle that. I think I'll avoid the word and just
talk of "files".

How's the other research coming along?
Did you see if there were files whose timestamps change?
Did you see whether you can find the files which are apparently
indexed in /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list?
And if/when you find them, what are you going to use them for,
in view of your new philosophy of working from the DVDs anyway?
Or is it the 13 bookmarks added to your reading list that's the
only important thing?

Cheers,
David.

Re: gnome-ppp, el mòdem intern i la mare que els va parir.

[Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura]

Bon dia,
Adopto la solució proposada pel Jordi.
Per tant, i agraint molt l'interès de tothom, dono el tema per tancat.
Gràcies.

*Xavier De Yzaguirre*
xdeyzaguirre(at)gmail(dot)com


El dia 12 de març de 2017 a les 22:00, Jordi Mallach  ha
escrit:

> Ep Xavier,
>
> El dg 12 de 03 de 2017 a les 13:51 +0100, en/na Xavier De Yzaguirre i
> Maura va escriure:
> > El mòdem es un Conceptronic C56MPi intern, bus PCI que funcionava
> > perfecte amb el driver linux conexant a l'Ubuntu, aquest driver ara
> > està discontinuat.
>
> [ ... més històries de terror ... ]
>
> > Ara mateix estic molt despistat, i penso que potser es mes fàcil si
> > puc trobar un mòdem PCI mes modern que vagi be amb el Debian 8.7
> > Alguna idea, en algun dels dos sentits?
> > Gràcies per avançat.
>
> Mira, amb això de que ta mare de 92 anys se'n puja a la masia i reclama
> tindre el seu correu electrònic m'has guanyat el cor. Hi ha dos
> opcions:
>
> 1) Que comentes això a alguna llista de guifi.net i els provoques el
> mateix sentiment que a mi, i que s'ho curren per fer arribar la xarxa
> com toca allà.
>
> 2) Busque en la meua Pila de Merda™ el meu mòdem hardware de tota la
> vidæ i t'ho envio per correu o el que siga. Era un US Robotics 56k dels
> clàssics:
>
> http://images.esellerpro.com/2131/I/782/58/71-245630-01.JPG
>
> Segurament buscar "mòdem 56k" a Wallapop ix més barat, però. Ací en mig
> del no res del wild south veig a alguns paios que en venen per 5€.
> Modem "hardware" extern, això no falla. Sense driver ni res, perquè tot
> ho fa l'aparell. Només hauries de veure que tens un port sèrie
> disponible, i si no, comprar un adaptador Serial-USB per dos o tres
> euros addicionals.
>
> Jordi
> --
> Jordi Mallach Pérez  --  Debian developer http://www.debian.org/
> jo...@sindominio.net jo...@debian.org http://www.sindominio.net/
> GnuPG public key information available at http://oskuro.net/
>
>

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/18/2017 06:13 PM, Brian wrote:

On Sat 18 Mar 2017 at 19:23:00 +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:


Brian:

Stop pissing about. Is the data in /var/lib/apt or not?


I use to have friends like you when I worked in boat yards  and
ships.  They seemed to behave better while talking to someone with a 4"
pipe wrench in hand.  Is this what it is about?  Not having a wrench
around you?


Nobody likes being shouted at; it is very upsetting. You can tell how
upset I was because I used "Is..." instead of "Are..." in my response.


I don't what exactly you mean by this, I may have lost the connection.


The word "data" is plural. Like "bacteria" or "criteria" or "nuclei" or
"dice".

-
Brian.




But "data", being a collective noun, may take either a singular or 
plural verb.

http://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/SubjectVerb.html#collective
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001874.html

Re: tor -- way OT

[Latincom]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:19:00 +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:

> READ THE MANUALS  ;)  :P  (just kidding!)
> 
> Various steps
> 
> 1  About vpn and reaching the tor gate, your ISP may be able to see that
> you are reaching out to make a connection to the various gates/nodes and
> you may not want that, as ISPs are passing all personal information to
> big-Sister.  And you "may" not want them to do so.  They pick on your
> attempt to connect from their own DNS that you normally use.  It seems
> as someone vigorously is supplying all ISPs in the world with a daily
> updated list of known tor exit-entry-nodes.  So change your DNS servers
> to what is assumed to be a safe net of DNS servers that do not log your
> DNS requests.  I did say assumed, didn't I?
> 
> wiki.opennicproject.org/GettingStarted/#hn_Ubuntu_Linux
> servers.opennicproject.org/  (Choose 3-4 from the list and check monthly
> for dropped servers and try the ones closest to you, although the
> furthest may only be a few hundred milliseconds away).
> 
> 2  If you can afford a VPN service good for you.  For the less
> privileged (like 96% of the planet) there is calyx.net and bitmask.net
> https://bitmask.net/en/install/linux#debian-packages or you can download
> a standalone package.  There is also a testing-beta 0.9.4 version.  This
> is a project by Leap.se and has made this open source code available and
> is begging to be forked.  It is like openVPN for dummies (like some of
> us).
> 
> 3  tor by torproject.org is open and free just like Debian That is why
> Debian only works with torproject and not just any other tor software. 
> And all of them will tell your they work better!  Tor is a network which
> you need special configuration to enter (and exit) safely.
> Everything you wanted to know and were afraid to ask:
> https://onion.debian.org/
> 
> Once you get tor running and install tor-browser you may also add the
> torproject.org repository as well.  Since you are using it you might as
> well use onion addresses to replace all repositories (Debian and Tor)
> 
> *** ... once you have the "apt-transport-tor" package installed, the
> following entries should work in your sources list for a stable system:
> (change the stretch to jessie stable testing sid ... or what you have)
> 
> deb 1 tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian stretch main deb 2
> tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian stretch-updates main deb 3
> tor+http://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion/debian-security stretch/updates   
> main deb 4 tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian stretch-backports
> main deb 5 tor+http://sdscoq7snqtznauu.onion/torproject.org/ testing
> main
> 
> Remember the tor-transport package mentioned above is essential for any
> of them to work and a live tor connection.  If tor daemon has stopped
> all those addresses will run into an error.
> You can also add the deb tor+http://debian...  or any other non onion
> address and that works too.
> 
> 
> 4  And if all this wasn't enough . there is MORE!  Try
> sandboxed-tor-browser in its 3rd current beta version.  It is just like
> the tails tor-browser that can not see beyond its own sandbox (the
> Amnesia sandboxed disk within your disk).
> 
> 5  None of this stuff make any sense if you are enabling scripts and
> going to googlefatsbookyoohooemesen ... crap sites!  You are defeating
> the purpose of anonymity and privacy.  Do not abuse sensible freedom!
> All debian websites do not require any scripts to be accessed and read.
> Most respected websites (non-invasive) are the same way.  Those you can
> not reach (it gets cloudy out-there) you don't want to read any way.
> 
> 6  If you want to test your browser for torification use
> check.torproject.org If you want to check the configuration of other
> browsers and their effective ability to cover themselves use eff.mozilla
> https://panopticlick.eff.org/ but it doesn't mean much as it is compared
> with a huge amount of non-tor browsers.
> 
> This project browserprint.info seems to be doing part of the same and
> more but more directed to tor browsers.  The score is getting better
> with every new edition of tor-browser.  The more unique your fingerprint
> the easier for little-big-sisters to tell who you might be and what are
> you up to.  So, you want to blend in with the fish, not stick out.  You
> might hear that "the old tor was better than the new one, I am sticking
> with the older version" and that is crap.  As 99% are updating to the
> latest your trusty old tor-browser will stick out like a shore thumb!
> 
> 7  If you are using icedove/thunderbird for mail disable all your
> plugins and install tor-birdie which prohibits your mail-system to
> communicate without tor.  Nothing comes-in nothing comes-out if the tor
> connection has been dropped.
> 
> 8  There is also tor-chatting and messaging and all kinds of other stuff
> I do not use.
> 
> 9  Don't expect Neo to come, save yourself!
> 
> Peter Ludikovsky:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> First things first: AFAIK, just 

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[DdB]

Am 11.03.2017 um 16:10 schrieb Richard Owlett:
> I've been good about telling others that backups are a good idea.
Hi,
i know i am late to the party. And without knowing any ready made
documentation, let me add a few things out of the top of my head:

 1. Backups saved my mental health on numerous occassions, even while
still on Windows
 2. Although i came across tools to automate the process, i have never
accepted having to trust anything to be - or not to be - in control
of critical data, except for myself
 3. An understanding of how to set up a bootable system (be it from
backup or new) seems crucial to me, as some understanding of grub +
initramfs appears to be extremely useful
 4. Linux has every tool necessary on board, a first backup is easy to
make using (f.i.) systemrescuecd
 5. And logging all the steps done, while doing them, is the first step
to a scripted solution
 6. Such a log - turning into a script - paired with the corresponding
restore - is evolving naturally with time and experience...

Here are some lessons, i learned while being involved with backing up:

  * Different kinds of data need to be considered, according to their
turnaround and usefulness (a.k.a. backup cycle interval). I adhere
to 3 types today: (os=critical=when needed: on occassion several
times a day, regular cycle: almost everything else backing up every
2 weeks currently, and dont care/throw away data, which doesnt stop
me from backing it up, but more of the fire and forget kind)
  * always log the reason/state of the backup, similar to git, as that
logfile turns into a valuable resource useable even after years
  * where to backup to? Initially, i was using the machine to backup for
holding the backup, which is a really bad idea. Today, i am using a
pluggable external device with several drives configured in a RAID
setup.
  * In order to save space, a COW (copy-on-write) fs turns out to be
mega useful. My recommendation being ZFS (at least on the backup
devices), as that allows keeping several backups/restore points in
one place using incremental backup.
Example: OS (uses 4.5 GB) has 20 incremental backups, making up
around 16.5 GB = 4.5 + 12 for snapshots in total.
  * for some strange reason, i switched to imaging lately (using
zerofree + compression, loop mount + rsync), and the gain in
restore-time is mind-blowing, as a simple dd was enough to restore
one entire snap from a OS. BTW: in the meantime, i switched to using
ZFS for the real data mountpoints as well
  * The bash scripts used for backup/restore evolved to 9+6K due to my
habit to make lots of asserts/checks as a safety measure before
proceeding.

That kind of approach may not be useful to everybody, as it is some
investment into one self's know-how. But you gain flexibility and
creative handling options, like just restoring the exact file(s) of even
just comparing the differences. And after having gone through different
real world scenarios (hardware failures of different kinds) i know how
safe i am!

But for those only interested in a ready made solution: You are going to
run into a major difficulty sooner or later, that hasnt been foreseen.
Hopefully, you'll have 3 Versions ready (original, backup, next-to-last
backup) and find some admin worth trusting and able to handle your
situation manually. :-)

Those are my 2 cents.
DdB (reading only the lists digest, thus not replying directly)




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Re: Chrome pour Debian 32 bits ?

[Francois Mescam]

Depuis plisieurs mois Google ne fournit plus Chrome en version 32 bits

On 16/03/2017 23:46, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Bonsoir,

Y a t-il une version du navigateur Chrome 32 bits ?
je ne vois que pour Debian (deb) et Fedora (rpm) 64 bits.

Merci,

André



--
 Francois Mescam