Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

my attempt to download debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo from scratch
by mirror http://archive.debian.org/debian/ still says in the end:
  Aaargh - 2 files could not be downloaded. ...

So i asked at debian-cd list:
  "What mirror to use with archived jigdo DVD images ?"
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/12/msg00014.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: badblock tres lent

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 15/12/2017 à 04:31, hamster a écrit :


J'ai un disque qui me fait des erreurs d'entrées sorties de temps en
temps.


Quel genre d'erreurs ? A quelle fréquence ? Comment les vois-tu ?
Tu aurais un extrait de log du noyau qui en montre une ?


J'ai donc lancé badblocks pour voir si des secteurs sont
défectueux, mais c'est horriblement lent. Le disque fait 1 To, badblocks
tourne depuis 16 h et il n'en est qu'a 44 % de la première passe. Ca
fait un débit d'écriture beaucoup beaucoup plus lent que quand on copie
un gros fichier par usb. Il s'agit du disque interne de l'ordi, qui est
branché en sata, alors un débit de 8 Mo par seconde je trouve ca
catastrophiquement bas.


Quelles options de test as-tu lancé ? Le mode de test en écriture non 
destructive est très lent. Aussi, y a-t-il des erreurs pendant le test ? 
Cela ralentit également badblocks.



J'execute badblocks depuis un système live sur une clef USB (ubuntu, oui
bon, c'est pas le mieux mais c'est ce que j'avais sous la main),


Je ne vois pas en quoi. badblock sous Ubuntu, ça reste badblocks.

Re: badblock tres lent

[Stephane Ascoet]

Le 15/12/2017 à 04:31, hamster a écrit :

que ca peut etre la source de cette lenteur ? Avez vous une idée d'autre
chose qui peut provoquer cette lenteur et comment la résoudre ?


Bonjour, as-tu bien active les parametres qui vont bien avec hdparm? Au 
pire essaye de faire un transfert de donnees depuis cette meme 
distribution pour tester le debit.

--
Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: Debian 9 stretch screen flicker on w3m and command line applications

[davidson]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, davidson wrote:


On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, josh cha wrote:


How do i fix screen flickering while scrolling and pressing down
buttion?  While im on my command-line applications like w3m?

I notice screen flickering while scrolling on down button. its a
problem since stretch release.


Does this happen all the time, or only occasionally?


I ask this question because I have noticed a similar issue (a terminal
flickering phenomenon that I first noticed after upgrading to
stretch), but it only occurs after I've resized a terminal (xterm)
while running a certain application (lynx) in the foreground. (I don't
use w3m.)

My workaround is to put the offending application (lynx in my case) in
the background before resizing its terminal, and not to bring it back
into the foreground without first restoring the terminal to its
original size.

Or, when using the affected application within a terminal multiplexer
like GNU screen, there are other workarounds available. (Namely, to
keep windows running applications susceptible to flickering-on-resize
hidden, until the terminal is restored to its original size.)

Basically, if OP's problem is the same problem I have noticed, the key
to avoiding it seems to be this: Never make the affected application
adapt itself to a resized terminal.

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[davidson]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi Davidson,
Let me try to answer your good questions in context.


I am not a user of elinks, so I can present no direct solution to
your problem here. Nonetheless, I have a comment or two, which I
hope will be understood in accordance with the constructive spirit
in which I offer them.


Actually, your question is a good one, and lets me provide some
context for my own goals.



First comment: Is there prior context to this question? I see none
on this mailing list. Just FYI.


If you are asking why I broached the issue here, it is because
e-links, links, and lynx, are discussed here as all are part of
Debian distributions.


Of course. This question of mine arose from my own failure to read
your email carefully. In particular, I neglected to pay attention to
information you provided in the subject line.

I apologise for my ineptitude.


Given the development background of many here as well, if a back
door exists to my goals my hope is that someone will know it, or
confirm that it does not exist.


I completely agree that debian-user is a promising forum in which to
investigate the issue.


 does elinks have a way to change the character set display?


Second comment: You have not, as far as I can tell, fully described
here the context that motivates you to seek to change the character
set. In other words, what is the specific problem you experience
(on paypal's website, I gather) that makes you want to change the
character set?


Having failed to read the subject line, I confused myself here,
again. So embarrassing.


Granted I am sure I was not overly detailed, sometimes when working
against a personal deadline, and or writing from my office, I aim
for the simplest question to solve the goal.


You were sufficiently informative, and got straight to the point. I,
on the other hand, was too dumb to read the subject line.


My first question was if e-links has a way to display hidden links.
that I feel might solve the problem.  However I base that assumption
on my use of a browser that does provide this option lynx.

Now to answer your question.

A few months back Paypal changed the method of displaying
information in some communications, and on the site.
For example, while my e-mails discussing master debit card
transactions are still presented in my mail reader, which is pine,
an option with shellworld, who provides my direct contact with Linux
based programs.

We have alpine too, but I am not personally fond of Alpine.


I have (quite happily) used both pine and alpine, but it has been a
long time since I had access to a working instance of pine.


 Back to the issue.  Some e-mails from paypal, say the ones telling
me that I have earned cash back, appear to be blank text wise again
at least in pine. Once I checked with alpine, finding the text could
be read.


So it sounds like paypal is sends you html email. Apparently alpine
does a better job of rendering it. Got it.


Now, I suspect that the default character set for each program is
different.  I admit that some other term may better explain what I
mean, for example, another term related to display, but I am using
character set as a way to explain what I mean.


Okay.


Here is how all that relates to the website.



I received a money request from a friend.  Because paypal only
allows me to access my accounts using elinks,


Incidentally, I assume you have already tried changing the user-agent
header in lynx, to see whether paypal is merely blacklisting lynx by
its user-agent header? (As I know you well know, this is an
infuriatingly common practice.)


 Because paypal only allows me to access my accounts using elinks, I
find a way to both read the e-mail in elinks and reach my account.
I will explain how that is done if important, but I do not feel it
is where the problem is concerned.


Okay. Fine by me.


The email has a pay now link which is one I can select from the
keyboard. I am taken to a page where I can log in to pay, and I do
so.  However, while the page is labeled at the top suggesting I
could make a payment, the section of the page where such information
would appear is well garbled.  I have the same experience if I try
reading so called secured messages on the site too.  whatever is
being displayed is not appearing, perhaps the coding is dynamic, I
do not know.


So using elinks, you traverse three documents:

1. view email (document 1)
2. follow pay-now link, which loads a log-in page (document 2)
3. after log-in, a payment-page is loaded (document 3)

The third document is where the trouble arises, when elinks fails to
render some form or link on that page.

If it were me, I would want to save the problematic document (the
payment page), so that I could examine it at my leisure, using
whatever tools suited my purposes.

I understand that paypal won't communicate with you if you use
lynx.

But you could use elinks to obtain the payment-page, *save that page*,
and then view it in lynx. 

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Curt,
while i admit to feeding the distraction, the really important question 
has been  in the subject line the entire time,  if elinks has a show 
hidden links option comparative to lynx.

Cheers and thanks for your help,
Kare



On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Curt wrote:


On 2017-12-14, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi Curt, actually your answer was both kind and perhaps a step in the
solution direction ..I hope.  Will be more detailed when I answer
someone else, but I am wondering if it
is possible to change these settings or impact them short term say
in options?  Lynx is my  solution standard so to speak.  If I could
access paypal in lynx, the  show hidden links  option might address
my issue.  Thoughts?  With appreciation, for the Noble giggle as well,
Kare



Lynx? I thought you said elinks.

Briefly (I mean to be brief) I installed elinks, pressed escape, went
into the scroll-down 'Setup/Character set' menu and there you have a
list of character sets to choose from for your display; however, how
this Y answer helps with your X problem, I don't know (I have no paypal
account; otherwise, in the name of science and the holiday spirit of the
season, I'd try it out on elinks (or is it lynx?) in order to perhaps
experience whatever it is you are experiencing, however annoying it
might be.

Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.

Good luck.

--
"The world is full of shipping clerks who have read the Harvard Classics."
— Charles Bukowski

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

I would add too that since my main question is in the subject line, i. e. 
yes elinks has this option or no, it does not...end of discussion.  If any 
aspect of the thread reflects that amusing x y  theory, it is the focus 
upon the  captcha smiles.

Kare



On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Actually,
the problem with the assumption here is, I am using a Linux shell, not a 
computer running Linux.

When using a shell, one cannot access playback in that fashion at all.
Do those steps from a command line shell, and you might be getting close.
I will add again,  the shell does not reach a sound card etc.
Now if the captcha reflected the thoughts of some with the w3c, i. e. its a 
math problem, its a honey pot, its something that does not require images at 
all,
The captcha..which is not the main thrust of my problem, would be  nowhere in 
this discussion.
The main thrust of my problem is accessing the hidden links, assuming they 
are there,  on the paypal page after I have logged in, and am trying to pay a 
money request.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, davidson wrote:


 On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, didier gaumet wrote:

>   Le 14/12/2017 ? 09:56, Curt a ?crit?:
>   [...]
> >   Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
> >   elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
> >   categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.
>   [...]
>   Curt's post reminded me that I do have a Paypal account and I have used
>   elinks from time to time in the past.
> 
>   So I Installed elinks on my Debian strech.

>   In order to be as close as possible to the context of Karen, I launched
>   elinks from the second virtual terminal (not from a X11 terminal), with
>   elinks default settings.
>   My system is configured in french (France) and Unicode 8 bits:
>   fr_FR.UTF-8.
>   The paypal dot fr  web page (I suppose it would the same with paypal 
>   dot

>   com) prompted me to connect and I was asked to enter a CAPTCHA code
>   (wich would have been displayed in an image in a graphic session) but
>   showed me an "Audio Button".
>   Pressing that "Audio Button" (I suppose this is its name because in
>   french it is called "bouton audio"), a panel proposed different options
>   and I pressed "Enter" to select "play" and the VLC media player played
>   an audio mp3 file spelling the code to enter.
>   I had to press "q" key to exit the VLC panel and the I could then
>   navigate on the paypal webpage to the "enter the hereupon code" zone to
>   type the code previously played.
> 
>   I did not enter the code because the headphone volume was to feeble on

>   the console for me to properly recognise english letters spelled by a
>   synthetic voice, sorry :-(

 To enable some interactive control (like making volume adjustments)
 over the application that my text browser launches to play external
 audio files, I put the following lines in my home directory's .mailcap
 file:

  $ grep '^audio' ~/.mailcap
  audio/x-wav; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.wav; needsterminal;
  description="WAV Audio"
  audio/mpeg; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mpg; needsterminal;
  description="MPEG Audio"
  audio/mpegurl; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.m3u; needsterminal;
  description="MPEG Audio URL"
  audio/x-mp3; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mp3; needsterminal;
  description="MPEG Audio"
  audio/mpeg4; vlc -I rc %s; needsterminal; description="MPEG-4 Audio"

 (The "-I rc" option string to vlc seems to be synonymous with "-I cli")

 When the browser launches vlc, there is a command line interface (with
 prompt '>') that understands commands like

 help   # view all available commands
 [hint: there are many; use Shift+UpArrow to see what scrolled off the
 screen]

  quit   # quit vlc
  repeat # toggle playing track over and over
  loop   # toggle playing playlist over and over; easier to type than
  repeat
  volume 300 # unsure what the scale is, but 256 seems to mean "100%"
  pause  # toggle pause state; paused/unpaused
  play   # resume playback
  seek 150   # go to 150 second mark)
  rate 0.5   # play at half-speed; only works reliably with local files

 For example, the following session toggles looping on (default was
 off), resumes playback (in case it had already ended), pauses
 playback, sets volume to 300, resumes (unpauses) playback, and then
 quits

 VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella (revision 2.2.7-0-g6e32381286)
 [various error messages snipped]
 [some memory address] [cli] lua interface: Listening on host "*console".
 VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella
 Command Line Interface initialized. Type `help' for help.
>   loop
>   play
>   pause
>   volume 300
>   pause
>   quit

 Lynx 

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually,
the problem with the assumption here is, I am using a Linux shell, not a 
computer running Linux.

When using a shell, one cannot access playback in that fashion at all.
Do those steps from a command line shell, and you might be getting close.
I will add again,  the shell does not reach a sound card etc.
Now if the captcha reflected the thoughts of some with the w3c, i. e. its 
a math problem, its a honey pot, its something that does not require 
images at all,
The captcha..which is not the main thrust of my problem, would be  nowhere 
in this discussion.
The main thrust of my problem is accessing the hidden links, assuming they 
are there,  on the paypal page after I have logged in, and am trying to 
pay a  money request.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, davidson wrote:


On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, didier gaumet wrote:


 Le 14/12/2017 ? 09:56, Curt a ?crit?:
 [...]
>  Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
>  elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
>  categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.
 [...]
 Curt's post reminded me that I do have a Paypal account and I have used
 elinks from time to time in the past.

 So I Installed elinks on my Debian strech.
 In order to be as close as possible to the context of Karen, I launched
 elinks from the second virtual terminal (not from a X11 terminal), with
 elinks default settings.
 My system is configured in french (France) and Unicode 8 bits:
 fr_FR.UTF-8.
 The paypal dot fr  web page (I suppose it would the same with paypal dot
 com) prompted me to connect and I was asked to enter a CAPTCHA code
 (wich would have been displayed in an image in a graphic session) but
 showed me an "Audio Button".
 Pressing that "Audio Button" (I suppose this is its name because in
 french it is called "bouton audio"), a panel proposed different options
 and I pressed "Enter" to select "play" and the VLC media player played
 an audio mp3 file spelling the code to enter.
 I had to press "q" key to exit the VLC panel and the I could then
 navigate on the paypal webpage to the "enter the hereupon code" zone to
 type the code previously played.

 I did not enter the code because the headphone volume was to feeble on
 the console for me to properly recognise english letters spelled by a
 synthetic voice, sorry :-(


To enable some interactive control (like making volume adjustments)
over the application that my text browser launches to play external
audio files, I put the following lines in my home directory's .mailcap
file:

 $ grep '^audio' ~/.mailcap
 audio/x-wav; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.wav; needsterminal;
 description="WAV Audio"
 audio/mpeg; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mpg; needsterminal;
 description="MPEG Audio"
 audio/mpegurl; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.m3u; needsterminal;
 description="MPEG Audio URL"
 audio/x-mp3; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mp3; needsterminal;
 description="MPEG Audio"
 audio/mpeg4; vlc -I rc %s; needsterminal; description="MPEG-4 Audio"

(The "-I rc" option string to vlc seems to be synonymous with "-I cli")

When the browser launches vlc, there is a command line interface (with
prompt '>') that understands commands like

help   # view all available commands
[hint: there are many; use Shift+UpArrow to see what scrolled off the screen]

 quit   # quit vlc
 repeat # toggle playing track over and over
 loop   # toggle playing playlist over and over; easier to type than
 repeat
 volume 300 # unsure what the scale is, but 256 seems to mean "100%"
 pause  # toggle pause state; paused/unpaused
 play   # resume playback
 seek 150   # go to 150 second mark)
 rate 0.5   # play at half-speed; only works reliably with local files

For example, the following session toggles looping on (default was
off), resumes playback (in case it had already ended), pauses
playback, sets volume to 300, resumes (unpauses) playback, and then
quits

VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella (revision 2.2.7-0-g6e32381286)
[various error messages snipped]
[some memory address] [cli] lua interface: Listening on host "*console".
VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella
Command Line Interface initialized. Type `help' for help.

 loop
 play
 pause
 volume 300
 pause
 quit


Lynx consults mailcap. And, according to this manual page, so does
elinks:

 Chapter 10. Managing External Viewers with Mailcap
 http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch10.html

badblock tres lent

[hamster]

Hello

J'ai un disque qui me fait des erreurs d'entrées sorties de temps en
temps. J'ai donc lancé badblocks pour voir si des secteurs sont
défectueux, mais c'est horriblement lent. Le disque fait 1 To, badblocks
tourne depuis 16 h et il n'en est qu'a 44 % de la première passe. Ca
fait un débit d'écriture beaucoup beaucoup plus lent que quand on copie
un gros fichier par usb. Il s'agit du disque interne de l'ordi, qui est
branché en sata, alors un débit de 8 Mo par seconde je trouve ca
catastrophiquement bas.

Est-ce normal pour le fonctionnement de badblocks ? J'avais déjà utilisé
badblocks sur des disques beaucoup plus petits et je n'ai pas gardé le
souvenir d'une lenteur aussi extrême.

J'execute badblocks depuis un système live sur une clef USB (ubuntu, oui
bon, c'est pas le mieux mais c'est ce que j'avais sous la main), est-ce
que ca peut etre la source de cette lenteur ? Avez vous une idée d'autre
chose qui peut provoquer cette lenteur et comment la résoudre ?

Merci d'avance.

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Davidson,
Let me try to answer your good questions in context.




I am not a user of elinks, so I can present no direct solution to your
problem here. Nonetheless, I have a comment or two, which I hope will
be understood in accordance with the constructive spirit in which I
offer them.
Actually, your question is a good one, and lets me provide  some context 
for my  own goals.




First comment: Is there prior context to this question? I see none on
this mailing list. Just FYI.
If you are asking why I broached the issue here, it is because e-links, 
links, and lynx, are discussed here as  all are part of Debian 
distributions.
Given the development background of many here as well, if a back door 
exists to my goals my hope is that someone will know it, or confirm that 
it does not exist.


 >


 does elinks have a way to change the character set display?

Second comment: You have not, as far as I can tell, fully described
here the context that motivates you to seek to change the character
set. In other words, what is the specific problem you experience (on
paypal's website, I gather) that makes you want to change the
character set?


Granted I am sure I was not overly detailed, sometimes when working 
against a personal deadline, and or writing from my office, I aim for the 
simplest question to solve the goal.
My first question was if e-links has a way to display hidden links.  that 
I feel might solve the problem.  However I base that assumption on my use 
of a browser that does provide this option lynx.

Now to answer your question.
A few months back Paypal changed the method of displaying information in 
some  communications, and on the site.
For example, while my e-mails discussing master debit card transactions 
are still presented in my mail reader, which is pine, an option with 
shellworld, who provides my direct contact with Linux based programs.  We 
have alpine too, but I am not personally fond of Alpine.  Back to the 
issue.  Some e-mails from paypal,  say the ones telling me that I have 
earned cash back, appear to be blank text wise again at least in pine. 
Once I checked with alpine, finding the text could be read.
Now, I suspect that the default character set for each program is 
different.  I admit that some other term may better explain what I mean, 
for example,   another term related to display, but I am using character 
set  as a way to explain what I  mean.

Here is how all that relates to the website.
I received  a money request from a friend.  Because paypal only allows  me 
to access my accounts using elinks, I  find a way to both read the e-mail 
in elinks and reach my account.  I will explain how that is done if 
important, but  I do not feel it is where the problem is concerned.
The email has a pay now link which is  one I can select from the keyboard. 
I am  taken to a page where I can  log in to pay, and I do so.  However, 
while the page is labeled at the top suggesting  I could make a payment, 
the section  of the page where such information would appear is well 
garbled.  I have the same experience if I try reading so called secured 
messages on the site too.  whatever is being displayed is not appearing, 
perhaps the coding is dynamic, I do not know.
If elinks has a display hidden inks option the way lynx does, perhaps the 
information would appear.  If there are ways to choose other character 
sets, perhaps I can match the same one Alpine uses,  or try some 
options, and thereby also 
display the content...and make my payment.
I want to give you a chance to read these details before considering the 
other information in your e-mail.


Frankly the people solving the problem should be Paypal, but they have 
stated  that even with paid staff in charge of accessibility,  no one in 
Customer service knows anything about accommodations.

Thanks,
Karen




[Note: I, davidson, do not wish to suggest that wanting to change the
character set in elinks is a "strange problem". But your original post
appears to leave entirely to our imaginations the specific problem you
are experiencing with paypal's website when using elinks.]

|* After much interaction and wasted time, it finally becomes clear
|  that the user really wants help with X, and that Y wasn't even a
|  suitable solution for X.
| 
|  The problem occurs when people get their train of thought stuck on

|  one approach and become unable to take a step back. Remaining open
|  to having a new look at the bigger picture, these people might find
|  their way back to X and continue searching for alternative
|  solutions.


 No idea if this will help, but paypal only lets me use one browser
 now..all others generate an image verification.


That is appalling. Encountering such arbitrary design decisions
(willful breakage of accessibility, really) must be very frustrating.

I hope you find a remedy in this instance.

Good luck!

--

@wakandaho 10 Dec 2017

ppl on twitter who use a dense sociopolitical vocabulary 

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[davidson]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, davidson wrote:


help   # view all available commands
[hint: there are many; use Shift+UpArrow to see what scrolled off the screen]


*sigh*

use Shift+PgUp, I should have said. Shift+UpArrow is not helpful.

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[davidson]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, didier gaumet wrote:


Le 14/12/2017 à 09:56, Curt a écrit :
[...]

Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.

[...]
Curt's post reminded me that I do have a Paypal account and I have used
elinks from time to time in the past.

So I Installed elinks on my Debian strech.
In order to be as close as possible to the context of Karen, I launched
elinks from the second virtual terminal (not from a X11 terminal), with
elinks default settings.
My system is configured in french (France) and Unicode 8 bits: fr_FR.UTF-8.
The paypal dot fr  web page (I suppose it would the same with paypal dot
com) prompted me to connect and I was asked to enter a CAPTCHA code
(wich would have been displayed in an image in a graphic session) but
showed me an "Audio Button".
Pressing that "Audio Button" (I suppose this is its name because in
french it is called "bouton audio"), a panel proposed different options
and I pressed "Enter" to select "play" and the VLC media player played
an audio mp3 file spelling the code to enter.
I had to press "q" key to exit the VLC panel and the I could then
navigate on the paypal webpage to the "enter the hereupon code" zone to
type the code previously played.

I did not enter the code because the headphone volume was to feeble on
the console for me to properly recognise english letters spelled by a
synthetic voice, sorry :-(


To enable some interactive control (like making volume adjustments)
over the application that my text browser launches to play external
audio files, I put the following lines in my home directory's .mailcap
file:

 $ grep '^audio' ~/.mailcap
 audio/x-wav; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.wav; needsterminal; description="WAV 
Audio"
 audio/mpeg; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mpg; needsterminal; description="MPEG 
Audio"
 audio/mpegurl; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.m3u; needsterminal; description="MPEG 
Audio URL"
 audio/x-mp3; vlc -I rc %s; nametemplate=%s.mp3; needsterminal; description="MPEG 
Audio"
 audio/mpeg4; vlc -I rc %s; needsterminal; description="MPEG-4 Audio"

(The "-I rc" option string to vlc seems to be synonymous with "-I cli")

When the browser launches vlc, there is a command line interface (with
prompt '>') that understands commands like

 help   # view all available commands
[hint: there are many; use Shift+UpArrow to see what scrolled off the screen]

 quit   # quit vlc
 repeat # toggle playing track over and over
 loop   # toggle playing playlist over and over; easier to type than repeat
 volume 300 # unsure what the scale is, but 256 seems to mean "100%"
 pause  # toggle pause state; paused/unpaused
 play   # resume playback
 seek 150   # go to 150 second mark)
 rate 0.5   # play at half-speed; only works reliably with local files

For example, the following session toggles looping on (default was
off), resumes playback (in case it had already ended), pauses
playback, sets volume to 300, resumes (unpauses) playback, and then
quits

VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella (revision 2.2.7-0-g6e32381286)
[various error messages snipped]
[some memory address] [cli] lua interface: Listening on host "*console".
VLC media player 2.2.7 Umbrella
Command Line Interface initialized. Type `help' for help.

loop
play
pause
volume 300
pause
quit


Lynx consults mailcap. And, according to this manual page, so does
elinks:

 Chapter 10. Managing External Viewers with Mailcap
 http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch10.html

Re: Debian 9 stretch screen flicker on w3m and command line applications

[davidson]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, josh cha wrote:


How do i fix screen flickering while scrolling and pressing down
buttion?  While im on my command-line applications like w3m?

I notice screen flickering while scrolling on down button. its a
problem since stretch release.


Does this happen all the time, or only occasionally?


My laptop
Levono thinkpad T510
Core i5 450m
4gb
240gb ssd

Re: on-screen artifacts (red pixels) at high resolution with Intel HD 630 (Kaby Lake)

[Felix Miata]

Alexandre Rossi composed on 2017-12-14 22:56 (UTC+0100):

> Two other PCs (Linux and Windows) going through the same HDMI cable to
> the same TV and same TV port using the same 1920x1080 resolution work
> perfectly.  

How long is the cable? Do you have access to another to try? ~20% of the HDMI
cables I have are either useless or flaky with at least one device.

Does the TV label any of its HDMI ports differently from the others? One of mine
does, labeling one HDMI-3/DVI. It does behave differently than the others.

> Outputting to another 1920x1080 monitor works well.  

Do you have another, to which you could connect using DisplayPort or HDMI?

> I've tried multiple combinations of Xorg setup with no working setup :
> - modesetting Xorg driver with glamor or none as AccelMethod
> - intel Xorg driver with sna or uxa as AccelMethod, DRI 2 or 3.
> I've also tried with i915.enable_rc6=0 and this does not change anything.

The log you previously attached reports "Indeterminate output size" from the
Samsung 659's EDID. I wonder if it would change anything to include an output
size in xorg.conf?

Same log shows both 60.0 and 59.9 1920x1080 modes. You could try forcing to use
the other, or 50.0, at least to see if the problem remains.

> I would also love
> to get any other idea or pointer regarding solving this.

Bring it up on:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/intel-gfx

FWIW, USPS reports my Kaby Lake HD Graphics 630 spent over 40 hours in Miami,
95% of the distance between here and shipper, on its way here, and should
finally arrive by about 20 hours from now. :-( My 2009 Samsung's EDID does
report size, but is not natively 1920x1080. :-p
-- 
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

it seems that not all packages of Debian 6 are present on the default
Debian mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/. Still it delivers enough
to keep me waiting for the end of that jigdo-lite run. 

Now it says:
  Aaargh - 7 files could not be downloaded. This should not
  happen! Depending on the problem, it may help to retry downloading
  the missing files.

I press Return and get asked for the Debian mirror.
Google got me the impression that
  http://archive.debian.org/debian/
could be a good choice.
It downloads some files and then says
  Aaargh - 2 files could not be downloaded. ...
When i try again, it again downloads
  
http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/g/gnupg/gnupg-udeb_1.4.10-4+squeeze1_amd64.udeb
  
http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/t/texlive-extra/texlive-pstricks-doc_2009-10_all.deb
with success but continues to say "Aaargh".

I will try a download from scratch from
  http://archive.debian.org/debian/
but don't expect results today.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: on-screen artifacts (red pixels) at high resolution with Intel HD 630 (Kaby Lake)

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 15/12/17 10:56, Alexandre Rossi wrote:

I'm experiencing red blinking pixels in dark areas in the displayed
Xorg picture on my TV connected using a HDMI cable.

Alexandre,

can you test with another HDMI cable? Just because the HDMI cable works 
under Windows or Linux with a different GPU does not mean it will work 
under Linux with your HD Graphics 630. I am no expert, but there are all 
sorts of complications like HDMI clock frequency and colour depths. 
Linux with your 630 might be negotiating an HDMI connection that almost 
works but that your cable cannot reliably support. I would try another 
HDMI cable to eliminate it as an issue. Bad or marginal HDMI cables are 
a common problem.


FYI I am also using H110 with HD Graphics 630.

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: on-screen artifacts (red pixels) at high resolution with Intel HD 630 (Kaby Lake)

[Alexandre Rossi]

Hi,

I finally got some time to investigate further.

Setup

I'm running Debian Stretch with a backported 4.13 Linux kernel on an
Intel Kaby Lake (chipset H110 and HD graphics 630) machine. I've
installed firmware-misc-nonfree and updated my BIOS to fix the Kavy
Lake HT bug.

Problem

I'm experiencing red blinking pixels in dark areas in the displayed
Xorg picture on my TV connected using a HDMI cable. Looking more
closely, I also see blue pixels. Those anomalies seem to follow colors
in the displayed picture. They occur on the root window, in mpv, vlc,
at least, it seems color based and not app based.

Hardware tests

Two other PCs (Linux and Windows) going through the same HDMI cable to
the same TV and same TV port using the same 1920x1080 resolution work
perfectly.
The same PC when using Windows 10 also displays a perfect picture.
Using a HDMI port multiplier makes the problem worse.
Outputting to another 1920x1080 monitor works well.

Software tests

Ubuntu 17.10 on a live CD show the same symptoms.
I've tried multiple combinations of Xorg setup with no working setup :
- modesetting Xorg driver with glamor or none as AccelMethod
- intel Xorg driver with sna or uxa as AccelMethod, DRI 2 or 3.
I've also tried with i915.enable_rc6=0 and this does not change anything.

Lowering the resolution to 1280x720 works around the problem.

My conclusion

Windows 10 manage to setup the video GPU to input a stronger HDMI
signal and my TV is sensitive to this. I was wondering if there was
anything I could investigate further regarding this. I would also love
to get any other idea or pointer regarding solving this.

Thanks for reading,

Alex

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Brian  wrote:


>
> I had no problem using it a year or so ago on jessie.


So I seem to have a bit of a problem today. Invoking "jigdo-lite
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
",
I receive 404's for every package and it seems to never complete the image.
Pasting the URL above into a browser successfully downloads the jigdo file.
Here's a sample of the command-line returns. It's followed by hundresds of
404's for each package. Any hints for me?Thanks.Nick

Debian mirror [
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/]:
Not downloading .template file - `debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.template'
already present
--More--Found 0 of the 3658 files required by the template
Will not create image or temporary file - try again with different input
files
--2017-12-14 15:25:17--
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/pool/main/g/gnome-keyring/libgp11-0_2.30.3-5_amd64.deb
Resolving cdimage.debian.org (cdimage.debian.org)... 194.71.11.173,
194.71.11.165, 2001:6b0:19::165, ...
Connecting to cdimage.debian.org (cdimage.debian.org)|194.71.11.173|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2017-12-14 15:25:17 ERROR 404: Not Found.

--2017-12-14 15:25:17--
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/pool/main/x/xfonts-100dpi/xfonts-100dpi-transcoded_1.0.1_all.deb
Reusing existing connection to cdimage.debian.org:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2017-12-14 15:25:17 ERROR 404: Not Found.




> --
> Brian.
>
>

Re: Configuration de la 4G sous GNU/Linux

[C. Mourad Jaber]

Le 14/12/2017 à 18:13, Benoit B a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à utiliser la 4G sur mon ordinateur portable.
La clé 4G c'est Huawei e3372 Modem LTE recommandé récemment sur cette liste.

Un petit tuto svp ? ;)

Je ne suis pas parvenu à l'utiliser avec ceux que j'ai suivis.

Bonne soirée.

--
Benoit


Bonjour,

L'applet de network-manager contient un possibilité de définir un "Mobile à Large 
Bande"...

C'est peut-être par là que tu peux commencer...

Mes 2 cents

Mourad

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Brian]

On Thu 14 Dec 2017 at 21:15:13 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> > maintained since 2013
> 
> It says
>   This software is now in "maintenance mode"
> 
> It also states that it is not developed further any more. But need for
> development would arise only if bugs are found.

The latest changes were on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:38:20 + by
Steve McIntyre. Those changes include five bug fixes.

> > What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
> 
> http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
> See
>   https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file
> It contains
>   /usr/bin/jigdo-lite
> which is mentioned as download script in
>   https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/

I had no problem using it a year or so ago on jessie.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> > maintained since 2013
>
> It says
>   This software is now in "maintenance mode"


Understood ;-) "maintenance mode" != "unmaintained"


> > What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
>
> http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
> See
>   https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file


Yes thanks, I missed that. So to be clear, jigdo is the package
"jigdo-file".


> Have a nice day :)


Thanks, you too.


>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> maintained since 2013

It says
  This software is now in "maintenance mode"

It also states that it is not developed further any more. But need for
development would arise only if bugs are found.


> What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?

http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
See
  https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file
It contains
  /usr/bin/jigdo-lite
which is mentioned as download script in
  https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Problem to resolv many hosts

[Tiago Oliveira de Jesus]

Hi all! First, sorry my bad english..

I'm a old Debian user, and from some days, i note problem to access some sites 
(big sites!) from Brasil..


And, today, i looking better this problem, and see is occourred on DNS name 
resolution:


This tests do at fresh machine install using Debian 9:

*root@bkp2:~# host walmart.com.br*
walmart.com.br has address 177.124.108.137
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx2.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx7.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 1 mx1.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx8.walmart.com.br.


*root@bkp2:~# host walmart.com.br 127.0.0.1*
Using domain server:
Name: 127.0.0.1
Address: 127.0.0.1#53
Aliases:
walmart.com.br has address 177.124.108.137
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx7.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 1 mx1.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx8.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx2.walmart.com.br.


*root@bkp2:~# host walmart.com.br 8.8.8.8*
Using domain server:
Name: 8.8.8.8
Address: 8.8.8.8#53
Aliases:
walmart.com.br has address 177.124.108.137
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx2.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx7.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 10 mx8.walmart.com.br.
walmart.com.br mail is handled by 1 mx1.walmart.com.br.
root@bkp2:~#

All ok, but now:

*root@bkp2:~# host www.walmart.com.br*
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

*root@bkp2:~# host www.walmart.com.br 127.0.0.1*
Using domain server:
Name: 127.0.0.1
Address: 127.0.0.1#53
Aliases:
Host www.walmart.com.br not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

*root@bkp2:~# host www.walmart.com.br 8.8.8.8*
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
root@bkp2:~#

And, i'm not need say who is Walmart :-)

This same problem occourred when access www.submarino.com.br and 
www.americanas.com.br, two other big e-commerce here.


I try many things... chance my DNS server (PDNS-Recursor too Bind9), change DNS 
server, etc...


And, here at office, i see some problem on four Debian 9 upgraded daily (like my 
notebook)...



I'm stel trying find... but, if having help is better :-)

[] s

Tiago Oliveira de Jesus

Debian 9 stretch screen flicker on w3m and command line applications

[josh cha]

How do i fix screen flickering while scrolling and pressing down buttion?
While im on my command-line applications like w3m?

I notice screen flickering while scrolling on down button. its a problem
since stretch release.

My laptop
Levono thinkpad T510
Core i5 450m
4gb
240gb ssd

Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I need to update some old squeeze (6.0.7) servers and (long story) will
need DVD images for the work. The Debian archives page tells me that I need
jigdo to obtain the images (atterer.org/jigdo) (I've only used Bittorrent
in the past). But that web page tells me that jigdo is no longer maintained
since 2013 or so. And it's not available in the repos for Jessie (unless
I've made a mistake).

What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
Just in case: Are there any CD/DVD repositories for the older releases
besides cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive ?

Re: Configuration de la 4G sous GNU/Linux

[fab]

'lut,

Je n'arrive pas à utiliser la 4G sur mon ordinateur portable.
La clé 4G c'est Huawei e3372 Modem LTE recommandé récemment sur cette liste.

Un petit tuto svp ? ;)
cela fait très très longtemps que je ne l'ai pas utilisé mais voici ce 
que je faisais:


utilisation de comgt et de wvdial.

FR-PORT:~# cat demarre_3g.sh
#!/bin/sh

#avec une carte PCMCIA
#/usr/bin/comgt -d /dev/ttyUSB0
/usr/bin/comgt -d /dev/ttyACM2

#il faut entrer le code pin :( ou le d�sactiver en mettant la carte sim 
dans un t�l�phone

/usr/bin/wvdial orange-entreprise

FR-PORT:~# cat /etc/wvdial.conf
[Dialer Defaults]
#carte pcmcia
#Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0
Modem = /dev/ttyACM2
Baud = 460800
SetVolume = 0
Dial Command = ATDT
FlowControl = NOFLOW
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATM0

[Dialer orange-entreprise]
Username = orange
Password = orange
Phone = *99#
Stupid Mode = 1
Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet-entreprise"
#Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","orange-mib"
#Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","orange"
Dial Attempts = 3


a+

f.

Re: (deb-cat) instalacio multiarch

[Xavi Drudis Ferran]

El Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 08:20:33AM +0100, Narcis Garcia deia:
> És a dir, que els discs «multiarch» símplement tenen paquets per a les
> dues arquitectures, i instal·len una de sola?
> Em pensava que hi havia paquets o compilacions de programari
> «multiarquitectura».
>

Que jo sàpiga sí. Tenen directoris separats per a executables (i
llibreries, més que res) per a cada arquitectura que tens. Tens una
arquitectura nadiua que fas servir si no dius el contrar. I altres
aqrquitectures per quan les vols. Llavors tries quina arquitectura de
quins paquets instal·les i així és més facil fer compilació creuada o
coses d'aquestes (o executar algunes aplicacions en una arquitectura i
algunes en una altra, quan la màquina pot). La feina és bàsicament
dels empaquetadors per etiquetar/provar les dombinacions i
dependències.

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[didier gaumet]

Le 14/12/2017 à 09:56, Curt a écrit :
[...]
> Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
> elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
> categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.
[...]
Curt's post reminded me that I do have a Paypal account and I have used
elinks from time to time in the past.

So I Installed elinks on my Debian strech.
In order to be as close as possible to the context of Karen, I launched
elinks from the second virtual terminal (not from a X11 terminal), with
elinks default settings.
My system is configured in french (France) and Unicode 8 bits: fr_FR.UTF-8.
The paypal dot fr  web page (I suppose it would the same with paypal dot
com) prompted me to connect and I was asked to enter a CAPTCHA code
(wich would have been displayed in an image in a graphic session) but
showed me an "Audio Button".
Pressing that "Audio Button" (I suppose this is its name because in
french it is called "bouton audio"), a panel proposed different options
and I pressed "Enter" to select "play" and the VLC media player played
an audio mp3 file spelling the code to enter.
I had to press "q" key to exit the VLC panel and the I could then
navigate on the paypal webpage to the "enter the hereupon code" zone to
type the code previously played.

I did not enter the code because the headphone volume was to feeble on
the console for me to properly recognise english letters spelled by a
synthetic voice, sorry :-(

Re: vbox installation

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 14/12/17 13:57, Jack Dangler wrote:
> All
> 
> Just letting you know that virtualbox on a linux host stops at 5.0.4 for
> the moment if you intend to install the extension pack. I installed 5.2
> this morning on a new deb box i built and when i installed the ext pack,
> 5.2 was removed from the system and replaced with 5.0.40.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
Just for information. Vbox 5.2.2 is running fine under stretch with full
USB support. Pity I can't say the same about a Win 10 VM that has been
updating itself for the past hour - without any progress information.

Peter HB

Configuration de la 4G sous GNU/Linux

[Benoit B]

Bonjour,

Je n'arrive pas à utiliser la 4G sur mon ordinateur portable.
La clé 4G c'est Huawei e3372 Modem LTE recommandé récemment sur cette liste.

Un petit tuto svp ? ;)

Je ne suis pas parvenu à l'utiliser avec ceux que j'ai suivis.

Bonne soirée.

--
Benoit

Re: vbox installation

[Patrick Bartek]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:13:59 -0500 Jack Dangler 
wrote:

> On 12/14/2017 09:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > I use Virtualbox 5.1.8 with the extension pack without issue on
> > Debian Jessie.
> Wondering why it would not have regressed to 5.1 ...
> I only built this one because I could not get USB or shared files 
> working between my Deb host and a rolling kali guest. I need both
> since this is an internal lab setup...

I'm running 5.1.30 on Wheezy which seems to be the most current
one . . . for Wheezy anyway.  I initially (5 years ago) downloaded
and installed VirtualBox binary directly from VBox and not from the
Debian Repo. This way I get the most current updates/upgrades directly
from the VBox.

Check your apt source.list for a Virtualbox entry. Or maybe
sources.list.d

B

Re: vbox installation

[Jack Dangler]

On 12/14/2017 09:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
I use Virtualbox 5.1.8 with the extension pack without issue on Debian 
Jessie.

Wondering why it would not have regressed to 5.1 ...
I only built this one because I could not get USB or shared files 
working between my Deb host and a rolling kali guest. I need both since 
this is an internal lab setup...

Re: vbox installation

[Alex ARNAUD]

I use Virtualbox 5.1.8 with the extension pack without issue on Debian 
Jessie.

--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Le 14/12/2017 à 14:57, Jack Dangler a écrit :

All

Just letting you know that virtualbox on a linux host stops at 5.0.4 for 
the moment if you intend to install the extension pack. I installed 5.2 
this morning on a new deb box i built and when i installed the ext pack, 
5.2 was removed from the system and replaced with 5.0.40.


Regards

vbox installation

[Jack Dangler]

All

Just letting you know that virtualbox on a linux host stops at 5.0.4 for 
the moment if you intend to install the extension pack. I installed 5.2 
this morning on a new deb box i built and when i installed the ext pack, 
5.2 was removed from the system and replaced with 5.0.40.


Regards

Re: hosting emails at home

[Jonathan Dowland]

Thanks for sharing!

Re: hosting emails at home

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 20:02 -0500, m...@neidorff.com wrote:
> So, I have a very similar problem (I use qmail instead of postfix)
> and when I 
> upgrade the server, I make a backup of my config files.  I then
> install the 
> software and restore the config files (including certificates). 
> Poof--mail 
> server up and running.  What am I missing in your message?


You can't share your backups with someone else / someone else can't
usefully use your backups to bootstrap their own mail solution.

Re: Questions sur les outils de gestion d'un dépôt privé apt

[yamo']

Salut,
Olivier a écrit le 13/12/2017 à 19:10 :

> Qu'en pensez-vous ?


Est-ce que la solution décrite sur la page ci-dessous répond au besoin?


-- 
Stéphane

Re: Questions sur les outils de gestion d'un dépôt privé apt

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 13/12/17 à 19:08, Olivier  a écrit :
O> Bonjour,
O> 
O> J'ai un double besoin :
O> 
O> 1. empaqueter puis distribuer pour Stretch des logiciels, en version un
O> peu plus récente, que celle actuellement dans les dépôts publics de
O> Debian,

Je suppose que tu connais stretch-backports et que ça ne répond pas à ton
besoin…

O> 2. de centraliser l'accès à des dépôts apt de plusieurs serveurs afin que
O> ces serveurs n'aient plus directement besoin d'accéder à Internet pour
O> installer de nouveaux paquets ou mettre des paquets anciens (un mirroir
O> me semble bien répondre à ce besoin puisque seul le mirroir a besoin
O> d'Internet pour remplir son office).
O> 
O> Quel outils/architecture recommander pour couvrir ces 2 besoins ?
O> 
O> J'ai survolé la description de d'aptly qui a l'air de bien répondre mais
O> un retour d'expérience serait le bienvenu.

Dsl connaît pas…

O> Le point qui me semble le plus obscur est la maîtrise, avec aptly ou
O> autre chose, de la version des paquets installés:
O> 1. le dépôt de Debian/Stetch héberge le logiciel toto.1.1,
O> 2. tant bien que mal, je crée un paquet 1.1.3 que je pousse dans mon
O> dépôt privé,
O> 3. un apt-get upgrade sur un serveur utilisant exclusivement ce dépôt
O> privé, installe le paquet toto-1.1.3
O> 4. après une commande magique je peux obtenir un retour arrière si besoin
O> (au besoin en falsifiant un paquet 1.1.4 qui aurait dans les faits le
O> même contenu qu'un paquet 1.1.X antérieur

Tu peux forcer la réinstallation d'un paquet antérieur (en précisant sa
version quand tu l'installe) et le bloquer à cette version (hold).

O> 5. comment se prémunir d'une mise à jour dans le dépôt officiel de Debian
O> 
O> Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu peux pour tout ça jouer avec apt-preferences, mettre une priorité plus
élevée pour ton dépôt privé (cherche aussi "debian package pinning" sur le
net pour voir les façons de faire et les risques à maîtriser).

Mais pour éviter une màj auto dans une version antérieure mise à jour sur
le dépôt debian officiel, le mieux est d'adapter pour tes paquets privés une
numérotation qui suit la version des sources, ce que fait debian (en
ajoutant éventuellement un suffixe), ainsi un n° de version de paquet plus
élevé correspondra toujours à une version plus récente du source (donc
créer une 1.1.4 qui serait une 1.1.2 pour forcer un downgrade de 1.1.3 me
semble une mauvaise idée)

man apt_preferences
man apt-cache # commande policy pour vérifier que tes préférences donnent le
  # résultat attendu

-- 
Daniel

Il est vrai qu'on ne peut trouver la pierre philosophale, 
mais il est bon qu'on la cherche.
Bernard Fontenelle

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Curt]

On 2017-12-14, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi Curt, actually your answer was both kind and perhaps a step in the
> solution direction ..I hope.  Will be more detailed when I answer
> someone else, but I am wondering if it
> is possible to change these settings or impact them short term say
> in options?  Lynx is my  solution standard so to speak.  If I could
> access paypal in lynx, the  show hidden links  option might address
> my issue.  Thoughts?  With appreciation, for the Noble giggle as well,
> Kare
>

Lynx? I thought you said elinks.

Briefly (I mean to be brief) I installed elinks, pressed escape, went
into the scroll-down 'Setup/Character set' menu and there you have a
list of character sets to choose from for your display; however, how
this Y answer helps with your X problem, I don't know (I have no paypal
account; otherwise, in the name of science and the holiday spirit of the
season, I'd try it out on elinks (or is it lynx?) in order to perhaps
experience whatever it is you are experiencing, however annoying it
might be.

Maybe some other kind soul (not that I am one of those) is both an
elinks guru and a paypal client (if they aren't mutually exclusive
categories) and he or she will pipe up here in this forum.

Good luck.

-- 
"The world is full of shipping clerks who have read the Harvard Classics."
— Charles Bukowski

Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

 Accept that your disclosure had nothing to do with   elinks the focus of 
my 
question  not how you mange something unrelated  at the core to my 
problem.
The nature of my body is the business of no one on this list. Your 
generalization  unrelated to elinks made it needful or the discussion 
would flow  of track.
why would how you manage a captcha be relevant if you did not feel your 
solution could apply to me  or  the topic?




On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:

This disclosure of yours arrived after your original post and had it been 
included in your original post, I wouldn't have bothered answering your post 
at all.  No, I do not choose to think all people are interchangeable either.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:


 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:50:33
 From: Karen Lewellen 
 To: Jude DaShiell 
 Cc: Dan Purgert , debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?
 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 04:51:03 + (UTC)
 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

 good for you, however, you are not me.
 because of a condition tied to anesthetic over exposure resulting in a
 auditory processing challenge, all software produced speech stimulates the
 dizzy centres of my brain.
 While I am thrilled for your solution, I fail to see how it applies to my
 question, or its place in this thread...unless you wish to claim all those
 who  may share a label are equally interchangeable for one another?



 On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>   With a compatible device iphone/ipad or android and the be my eyes app
>   loaded on it it's possible to use the app and request assistance 
>   solving

>   the captchas if lios won't work and firefox has been modified so often
>   webvisum is no longer useable.
> 
>   On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
> >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:28:16

> >From: Karen Lewellen 
> >To: Dan Purgert 
> >Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?
> >Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 03:28:35 + (UTC)
> >Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > 
> >As I experience blindness meaning I cannot read the image, and 
> >paypal

> >does
> >not provide  as I experience things  inclusive ways around this, 
> >doing

> >the
> >verification is not an option.
> >Oddly enough I have used the browser before, many times in fact...so 
> >the

> >answer   to my actual question?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > 
> > > Karen Lewellen wrote:

> > > > Hi,
> > > > working with PayPal e-mail  come to think of it, does elinks 
> > > > have a way

> > > > to change  the character set display?
> > > > No idea if this will  help, but paypal only lets me use one 
> > > > browser

> > > > now..all  others generate an image verification.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Karen
> > > 
> > > Sounds like your cookies have expired (or you've not used the 
> > > browser
> > > before, or you've cleaned the cache, etc.).  Should just need to 
> > > do the

> > > verification, and tell paypal to remember you again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947

> > > |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
> > > |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5  4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>   -- 
> 
> 
> 






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Re: does elinks have a show hidden links option?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Curt,
actually your answer was both kind and perhaps a step in the solution 
direction ..I hope.
Will be more detailed when I answer someone else, but I am wondering if it 
is possible to change these settings or impact them short term say in 
options?
Lynx is my  solution standard so to speak.  If I could access paypal in 
lynx, the  show hidden links  option might address my issue.

Thoughts?
With appreciation, for the Noble giggle as well,
Kare



On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Curt wrote:


On 2017-12-13, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


As I experience blindness meaning I cannot read the image, and paypal does
not provide  as I experience things  inclusive ways around this, doing the
verification is not an option.
Oddly enough I have used the browser before, many times in fact...so the
answer   to my actual question?




"Elinks guesses the charset of the terminal from the environment
variables LANG, LC_CTYPE, and LC_ALL. ELinks 0.11 versions do not
support UTF-8 as this charset."

There are various charset options that can be set in 'elinks.conf',
notably:

terminal._template_.charset  (default: System)

Codepage of charset used for displaying content on terminal.
'System' stands for a codepage determined by a selected locale.

I hope this answers the actual question; if not, please be so kind as to
reformulate your question in order that it be congruent with my
answer (holiday spirit of congruity).

;-)

--
"The world is full of shipping clerks who have read the Harvard Classics."
— Charles Bukowski

Re: please help! debian won't boot

[Felix Miata]

Jason Brenkus composed on 2017-12-13 23:02 (UTC-0800):

> By cursor what I mean is a flashing underscore line. I tried reinstalling
> grub2 using super grub. At first I didn't think anything happened, but now
> I'm getting more then a blinking cursor.  The screen now says #floppy0: no
> floppy controllers found
> # r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link up
> # Ipv6: ADDCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready. 

Did you try keying in Ctrl-Alt-F2 after seeing nothing more?

> I tried to record the script that show before this screen and it looks like
> there is a lot loading, but I saw one place in the script that had a red
> FAILED and it looks like it says #failed to start load kernel modules
> It would probably be easier to reinstall, but I'm trying to learn linux.
> Any more suggestions? 

What did you mean when you wrote "recover mode"? Was that a Grub menu choice?
Were there any other menu choices available, such as prior kernel? You could try
appending to the main grub selection "plymouth.enable=0', and/or removing any
cmdline options mentioning modeset, quiet, splash, gfxmode, vga and/or video.
-- 
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