Off topic: non zero error codes

[Erik Josefsson]

Good morning,

I have wanted to ask for a long time about something I made up from 
hearsay whether it is remotely true. I hope that's OK.


Is there is a shell/language where the returncode for TRUE is zero and 
that that is the opposite of how all other shells/languages are made?


The argument for creating it was that it then becomes handier to say "no 
errors, one error, two errors..." than to say "success, one error, two 
errors...".


I mean: (0, 1, 2, ...) is handier than (1, 0, whatever, ...).

Best regards.

//Erik

Re: pmount could perhaps be of greater utility?

[David]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 22:15, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 10:12:10AM +1000, David wrote:

> > Maybe you would enjoy answering this question then?
> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg0.html
> >
> > Because apparently no-one else has, hehe :D
>
> You didn't like my answer?

I did. I encourage people to read everything you write on shells.
Your dedication to promoting good practice is astounding.

I apologise for the slow reply, but at the moment I have insufficient
time to keep up with messages here, especially ones that run off
track.

I linked to that thread because I thought it (including your answer)
was a useful addition to the discussion in this one.

I noticed my message later described as a "shot across the bows".
That phrase as I understand it describes a violent threat of physical harm
intended to create fear that will cause another party to change their
behaviour.

On the contrary. I was attempting to add information and context in
a friendly and light-hearted manner (there was a "Hi", a "hehe" and
a ":D") but it seems that wasn't enough to make the intention clear.

> (The OP clarified in a subsequent post that (s)he is trying to implement
> syntax highlighting for some kind of text editor.  (S)he wants to support
> the behavior of this ridiculous code just in case some foolish end
> user writes it.  (S)he's not actually writing a script.  For people who
> *are* actually writing scripts, the solution is exactly as I described.)

I know. I am grateful for his previous work to provide syntax highlighting.
Although lately I am starting to prefer vim, depending on the task.

The code there is ridiculous, except as an example for a parsing
question which I think was its purpose. I thank KHMan for his completely
unselfish effort to write editor code that tries to correctly deal with whatever
crap other people might throw into it. I suppose a solution could for
unparseable code to remain uncoloured. It can be very distracting when
syntax highlighting is incorrect.

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le dimanche 19 mai 2019, Jérémy Prego a écrit...



> hmmm, donc ça veut dire qu'on peut pas éviter ce "."  a la création de
> l'archive directement ? c'est quand même embêtant ... en tout cas, merci
> pour vos réponses jusqu'ici.

Quel "." ? Celui que tu vois lorsque tu fais le `tar -tv` ?
En quoi est ce embêtant ? Lorsque tu décompresses l'archive, tout ce fait
correctement, non ?

-- 
jm

systemd WantedBy for X login

[Aidan Gauland]

I have a bunch of systemd user services for headless daemons that I want
to run in both console and graphical logins, which all work fine, but I
have one that I only want to start for graphical logins, and that works
when I start it manually, but it is not being started when I log in,
even though I have the WantedBy field set to graphical.target.  I am
using lightdm and i3.  The other services' WantedBy field is set to
default.target.  What is the correct way to specify that a service
should be started only for X logins?

Regards,
Aidan Gauland

kvm errors with 4.9.0-9 kernel.

[John J. Rushford]

Greetings,

I recently updated my debian 9.9 machine which installed the 4.9.0-9 
kernel.  With this kernel,  the kvm_intel modules fail to load due to 
the following errors:


kernel: [    6.234764] kvm_intel: Unknown symbol cpu_tlbstate (err -22)
kernel: [    6.235463] kvm_intel: Unknown symbol mds_user_clear (err 0)
kernel: [    6.330732] kvm_intel: disagrees about version of symbol 
cpu_tlbstate



Naturally none of my VM's will start.  I have gone through the kvm 
debian wiki and tried reinstalling the kvm packages while running on 
this 4.9.0-9 kernel but that does not solve the problem.  I have to boot 
on the 4.9.0-8 kernel if I want to use my VM's.  This sure looks like an 
upgrade issue and that these modules aren't built for this version of 
the kernel.  Anyone else run into this?  How do I fix it?



thanks

John

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

[Kenneth Parker]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 8:54 PM Nicholas Geovanis 
wrote:

> IIRC the 2nd edition of Armstrong's Kernel Internals book has a chapter on
> it. But don't remember for sure.
>

That one, I will check out for sure!  (The last Kernel book I owned was
about Version 2).  Thanks!

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 6:12 PM Cindy Sue Causey 
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/19, Kenneth Parker  wrote:
>> > I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian  --  for
>> > example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!)
>> become
>> > an expert.
>> >
>> > And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian
>> > Wiki.  (I'm also reading
>> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
>> >  ).
>> >
>> > My problem?  My best times for reading are times where a "Paper Book" is
>> > best.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any.
>> >
>> > If I'm missing something, please tell me.  Otherwise, do any of you
>> know if
>> > someone's working on a Book?
>>
>>
>> Hi.. I took a super quick poke at it. Mostly landed a bunch of
>> references to something called "Savaged by Systemd".. =)
>>
>
I suspect that details about systemctl parameters might  *not*  be in this
book.  :-)

Did also see the following two:
>>
>> * How Linux Works, 2nd Edition (Paperback); Brian Ward; 2015..
>> Incidentally references systemd as one of the many topics covered.
>>
>
I'll  look, but this will, likely not have the detail I need.

* Fedora Linux Servers with systemd: second edition; Petersen,
>> Richard; 2016. Systemd is in the title...
>>
>
This might be a possibility.  I'm sure, even Fedora's use of Systemd isn't
*that*  different from Debian's.

Otherwise, I wonder if the seeming shortage of tangible books is about
>> how volatile this topic is..
>>
>
Could be.  I was even looking for things, like "Systemd for Dummies"!  (Any
ideas, anyone, on who might author  *that*  Book?  LOL!)

Or if it's maybe because it's an evolving, moving target
>> development-wise (just like all its counterparts)? Maybe it's hard to
>> document on paper because that [media] becomes outdated, thus
>> basically fire starter material, almost as fast as it's printed when
>> it comes to tech subjects?
>>
>
That too.

Personally, I've bought several older tech books purely for
>> occasionally waxing nostalgic. :)
>>
>
Me too, in the past (when I had  "Disposal Income").   Thanks!

Cindy :)
>> --
>> Cindy-Sue Causey
>> Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
>>
>> * runs with birdseed *
>>
>
Kenneth Parker

Re: Xforce dañado

[Ignacio Martirén]

Les agradezco, hice los procedimientos recomendados por JAP, como no
dieron resultado y habían surgido luego de una update y upgrade
completa supuse que cambiando de replica se solucionaría, de manera
que instalé el sistema desde cero y recuperé todo, menos el tiempo que
tardó en instalarse. Gracias gente grande de esta lista.


El vie., 17 may. 2019 a las 18:36, Roberto José Blandino Cisneros
() escribió:
>
> Prueba con crear un usuario nuevo y revisa si el problema persiste, si
> solo se te han dañado los archivos personales y no ves daño en el
> nuevo usuario, bastaría con migrar los datos de un usuario a otro, una
> vez asegurado que todos tus archivos han sido movidos y tienen al
> nuevo usuario como propietario, borra el dañado y renombra el nuevo.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:36 AM Ignacio Martirén  wrote:
> >
> > Hola. Soy usuario Debian pero poco experto. Tengo instalado Stretch,
> > con Xforce y Cinnamon como alternativo. Evidentemente se ha dañado
> > algún archivo del escritorio Xforce y no funciona bien. Quisiera saber
> > cuáles son los comandos para desinstalarlo y reínstalarlo para que se
> > elimine archivo/s dañados. Hice apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ya
> > dos veces en fechas diferentes sin resultados. Gracias
> >
> > --
> >   Ignacio
> >
>
>
> --
> 
>


-- 
  Ignacio

Re: /var trop gros

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "JUPIN Alain" 
> À: "Liste Debian" 
> Envoyé: Dimanche 19 Mai 2019 00:26:34
> Objet: /var trop gros
> 
> Bonsoir,
> 
> Sur une config Debian + Postfix + Dovecot (en réalité iinstance  mail
> d'uns serveur ISPConfig 3), j'ai le problème du /var trop "gros" et
> qui
> me rempli presque a rabord la partition /
> 
> Donc j'ai naivement tenté (comme je l'ai fais sur d'autres install
> Debian) :
> # mv /var/ /home/
> # ln -s /home/var/ /var
> # reboot
> 
> Eh bien au reboot, Dovecot et Mysql refuse de démarrer
> 
> # systemctl status mariadb.service
> ● mariadb.service - MariaDB 10.1.37 database server
>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service; enabled;
>    vendor
> preset: enabled)
>    Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2019-05-18 23:56:48
> CEST; 5s ago
>  Docs: man:mysqld(8)
>    https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/systemd/
>   Process: 1743 ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m 755 -o mysql -g root
>   -d
> /var/run/mysqld (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
> 
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: Starting MariaDB
> 10.1.37
> database server...
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr install[1743]: /usr/bin/install:
> impossible de créer le répertoire « /var »: Le fichier existe
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service:
> Control
> process exited, code=exited status=1
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: Failed to start MariaDB
> 10.1.37 database server.
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Unit
> entered failed state.
> mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Failed
> with result 'exit-code'.
> 
> May 18 23:54:41 ruchba dovecot: master: Error:
> bind(/var/spool/postfix/private/auth) failed: No such file or
> directory
> May 18 23:54:41 ruchba dovecot: master: Fatal: Failed to start
> listeners
> 
> Après moultes essais infructueux  (pendant près de 2H !!! l'heure
> tardive et la fatigue aidant), j'ai tout remis dans / et hop tout est
> rentré dans l'ordre
> Mais bientôt, / ne va plus être assez grand !
> Pour info, /home est ma partition "data" elle fait 200Go !
> 
> Une solution pour transférer mon /var dans /home sans rien casser ?
> Ou alors virer la partition /home et agrandir / ?
> 
> Merci pour votre aide !
> 

bonjour,

en premier, serait il possible de faire une cure d'amaigrissement
du /var en supprimant les paquets en cache et les journaux 
trop anciens ?

alternative :

déplacer les journaux dans /home
déplacer le cache des paquets dans /home


merci
slt
bernard

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Ben Finney]

Mark Allums  writes:

> The onus is not on me to provide reasons. I simply asked for more
> info.

You initially asked for reasons; reasons were given. You haven't
responded to those, from what I can see, and AFAICT they answer the
initial reuest adequately.

As best I can tell, a reasonable person would either be satisfied with
what was presented, or have specific responses to rebut them.

You can ask for more information; but if you have no specific response
to the information already provided that shows why it's not sufficient
to convince you, I don't see that anyone has an onus to provide more.

-- 
 \   “Try to learn something about everything and everything about |
  `\  something.” —Thomas Henry Huxley |
_o__)  |
Ben Finney

Re: ¿Cómo instalar los paquetes de mi debian 9 en otra máquina?

[ziprasidone146939...@gmail.com]

On Fri, 2019-05-17 at 15:36 -0600, Roberto José Blandino Cisneros
wrote:
> Hay dos formas para lo que quieres, la primera tratando de hacer la
> solicitud de descargar las dependencias:
> 
> 1.- Primero solo hagamos un echo para ver que el script busca todos
> los paquetes que necesitamos y las dependencias de cada uno:
> 
> while read app; do for subapp in $(apt-cache depends $app | grep
> "Depende:\|Depends:"| awk -F: '{print $2}' | sed "s/ "s/>//g");do echo "$app -> $subapp";done; echo
> "===" ;done < <(ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
> |
> awk -F_ '{print $1}' | awk -F"/" '{print $NF}')
> 
> 2.- Si al ejecutarlo hace lo que necesitamos entonces ahora vamos a
> indicarle que descargue esas dependencias.
> mkdir debpkg
> cd debpkg
> while read app; do for subapp in $(apt-cache depends $app | grep
> "Depende:\|Depends:"| awk -F: '{print $2}' | sed "s/ "s/>//g");do aptitude download $subapp;done; echo
> "===" ;done < <(ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
> |
> awk -F_ '{print $1}' | awk -F"/" '{print $NF}')
> 
> La segunda forma de respaldar los paquetes de la maquina A es de la
> siguiente forma:
> 
> mkdir debpkg
> cd debpkg
> while read app; do aptitude download $app;done < <(dpkg -l | grep
> "^ii\|^rc" | awk '{print $2}')
> 
> Luego seria con un scp mandar todos los paquetes de A hacia B
> 
> NOTA: En caso de no tener aptitude y querer usar apt sustituir
> "aptitude download" con "apt-get install --download-only"
> 
> Saludos, espero te sirva.
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 8:31 AM Centro Patrimonio Pinar del Río
>  wrote:
> > 
> > Hola lista. Tengo solamente una PC con internet ... Hace un tiempo
> > leí
> > sobre cómo instalar todos los paquetes de mi debian 9 en otra
> > máquina
> > que tenga debian 9 igual. Que recuerde explicaban una serie de
> > comandos
> > para por ejemplo obtener la instalación de cierto software
> > incluyendo
> > sus dependencias ... Sé que todos estos *.deb se guardan en
> > /var/cache/apt/archives ... Pero quiero, especificamente obtener el
> > software, ej. samba con sus dependencias y llevarlos e instalarlos
> > en la
> > otra PC ... Si pueden pongan links de webs donde expliquen esto.
> > 
> > Gracias
> > 
> 
> 

(si los esquipo estan en red)

Por qué no hacer que la PC con internet se convierta en un
repositorio local (dentro de la red donde se encuentra el equipo sin
internet)? 

Una vez listo ese servidor, hara en el equipo sin internet apt install
, configurando como repositorio el equipo que ahora es un
repositorio local.

Es una idea..

Saludos

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

[Nicholas Geovanis]

IIRC the 2nd edition of Armstrong's Kernel Internals book has a chapter on
it. But don't remember for sure.

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 6:12 PM Cindy Sue Causey 
wrote:

> On 5/18/19, Kenneth Parker  wrote:
> > I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian  --  for
> > example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!)
> become
> > an expert.
> >
> > And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian
> > Wiki.  (I'm also reading
> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
> >  ).
> >
> > My problem?  My best times for reading are times where a "Paper Book" is
> > best.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any.
> >
> > If I'm missing something, please tell me.  Otherwise, do any of you know
> if
> > someone's working on a Book?
>
>
> Hi.. I took a super quick poke at it. Mostly landed a bunch of
> references to something called "Savaged by Systemd".. =)
>
> Did also see the following two:
>
> * How Linux Works, 2nd Edition (Paperback); Brian Ward; 2015..
> Incidentally references systemd as one of the many topics covered.
>
> * Fedora Linux Servers with systemd: second edition; Petersen,
> Richard; 2016. Systemd is in the title...
>
> Otherwise, I wonder if the seeming shortage of tangible books is about
> how volatile this topic is..
>
> Or if it's maybe because it's an evolving, moving target
> development-wise (just like all its counterparts)? Maybe it's hard to
> document on paper because that [media] becomes outdated, thus
> basically fire starter material, almost as fast as it's printed when
> it comes to tech subjects?
>
> Personally, I've bought several older tech books purely for
> occasionally waxing nostalgic. :)
>
> Cindy :)
> --
> Cindy-Sue Causey
> Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
>
> * runs with birdseed *
>
>

Re: mudar idiomas ptpt para ptbr

[Jack Jr.]

Parece o que acontecia comigo. Está tudo correto, mas mesmo assim meu 
Debian sempre puxava todas traduções e helps de todos as centenas de 
idiomas. Tentei de tudo e tive como única solução passar a usar o 
Ubuntu, daí fazendo o mesmíssimo procedimento funciona certo.




Jack Pogorelsky Jr.
Engenheiro Mecânico
Tel/WhatsApp: +55 (51) 982017877
E-mail: j...@sulmail.com
Website: sulmail.com/pogorelsky

Em 14/05/2019 08:51, Vitor Hugo escreveu:

O resultado do comando locale esta abaixo.


enf deve ser en = english



applein@debian:~$ locale
LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=pt_BR:pt:en
LC_CTYPE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
applein@debian:~$

---


root@debian:/home/applein# locale
LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=pt_BR:pt:en
LC_CTYPE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="pt_BR.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
root@debian:/home/applein#

Em 13/05/2019 17:46, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA escreveu:

Le 13 mai 2019 17:37:37 GMT-03:00, Vitor Hugo  a écrit 
:

o meu arquivo /etc/default/locale esta como "LANGUAGE="pt_BR:pt:enf"

enf?



não
deveria ser LANGUAGE="pt_BR:ptbr:en"?

Não existe ptbr até onde sei.



ele ainda fala português de
Portugal

Mas qual o resultado do comando locale como superusuário e usuário normal, este 
no console e no terminal? e qual a configuração do localepurge?

Re: major email problems

[Glenn English]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM mick crane  wrote:

> https://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation

That looks great -- first thing in the morning :-)

-- 
Glenn English

Re: major email problems

[Glenn English]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:29 PM Kushal Kumaran  wrote:

> The documentation for the disable_plaintext_auth parameter seems like it
> is exactly what you need to tweak.  I cannot tell why you didn't run
> into this earlier.

I did. But what I did to try to get it to work, didn't.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: major email problems

[Glenn English]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM mick crane  wrote:

> Dunno why it suddenly stopped working.

I don't either.

> The commented out lines in the config file normally show the default.

Oh, yeah. I knew that once :-)

Copying the line, uncommenting it, and change it to 'no' made the fail
take longer, but it still failed.

> https://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation

Bears looking into. Thanks.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: major email problems

[mick crane]

On 2019-05-18 23:58, Glenn English wrote:


I couldn't find anything in the Dovecot config files that addressed
that, except a commented out line: "#disable_plaintext_auth = yes."
But Dovecot seems to be tossing PLAINTEXT anyway. I didn't try
deleting the line.



Dunno why it suddenly stopped working.
The commented out lines in the config file normally show the default.
https://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation

Is the place to start.

good luck

mick
--
Key ID4BFEBB31

email problems again

[Glenn English]

I installed mutt on the mail server, and it found mail that's been
coming in and was stored properly by Postfix.

It's gotta be something with Dovecot.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: major email problems

[Kushal Kumaran]

Glenn English  writes:

> Buster, Stretch, Wheezy
>
> I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but DU is full of
> knowledgeable folks...
>
> This morning I quit receiving IMAP email (Dovecot, Thunderbird). I
> installed and tried several other clients (iMail, Geary, Sylpheed) and
> none worked. They said things like my AuthenticationMethod (PLAINTEXT)
> was wrong -- I tried several others; none worked. They said my
> userName/Password was wrong. I re-entered the password, still nothing.
> But I could log into the server with the name/password.
>
> Since several clients wouldn't work, I looked at Dovecot's config. I
> couldn't find anything there that looked promising -- and besides, it
> was fine yesterday.
>
> I reinstalled Dovecot from a Buster mirror.. Same errors.
>
> I tried 'telnet  143', and entering IMAP commands by hand. I got
> some useful info: PLAINTEXT was disallowed on non TLS logins. It said
> that right after I entered the userName, not when I entered the
> password. It said the same thing when I did enter the password.
>
> I couldn't find anything in the Dovecot config files that addressed
> that, except a commented out line: "#disable_plaintext_auth = yes."
> But Dovecot seems to be tossing PLAINTEXT anyway. I didn't try
> deleting the line.
>

Set disable_plaintext_auth = no

https://wiki.dovecot.org/BasicConfiguration

> I tried a different computer (old server - Wheezy) thinking there
> might have been a Dovecot update that made all my clients fail. Same
> thing.
>
> The mail log from yesterday shows successful logins all afternoon --
> but this morning is shows authentication fails. So I tried changing
> Dovecot's auth source from PAM to the shadow file. Nope.
>
> I'm completely at a loss. I've been dealing with Dovecot for years
> with no problems. Today, I swear some bit flipped all by itself. And I
> can't find it.
>

The documentation for the disable_plaintext_auth parameter seems like it
is exactly what you need to tweak.  I cannot tell why you didn't run
into this earlier.

# Disable LOGIN command and all other plaintext authentications unless
# SSL/TLS is used (LOGINDISABLED capability). Note that if the remote IP
# matches the local IP (ie. you're connecting from the same computer), the
# connection is considered secure and plaintext authentication is allowed.
#disable_plaintext_auth = yes

> If you have any idea of what I may have missed, I'd sure appreciate
> hearing about it. And since I can't see the debian-user list, please
> respond directly to me at ghe2...@gmail.com
>
> TIA++.

-- 
regards,
kushal

major email problems

[Glenn English]

Buster, Stretch, Wheezy

I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but DU is full of
knowledgeable folks...

This morning I quit receiving IMAP email (Dovecot, Thunderbird). I
installed and tried several other clients (iMail, Geary, Sylpheed) and
none worked. They said things like my AuthenticationMethod (PLAINTEXT)
was wrong -- I tried several others; none worked. They said my
userName/Password was wrong. I re-entered the password, still nothing.
But I could log into the server with the name/password.

Since several clients wouldn't work, I looked at Dovecot's config. I
couldn't find anything there that looked promising -- and besides, it
was fine yesterday.

I reinstalled Dovecot from a Buster mirror.. Same errors.

I tried 'telnet  143', and entering IMAP commands by hand. I got
some useful info: PLAINTEXT was disallowed on non TLS logins. It said
that right after I entered the userName, not when I entered the
password. It said the same thing when I did enter the password.

I couldn't find anything in the Dovecot config files that addressed
that, except a commented out line: "#disable_plaintext_auth = yes."
But Dovecot seems to be tossing PLAINTEXT anyway. I didn't try
deleting the line.

I tried a different computer (old server - Wheezy) thinking there
might have been a Dovecot update that made all my clients fail. Same
thing.

The mail log from yesterday shows successful logins all afternoon --
but this morning is shows authentication fails. So I tried changing
Dovecot's auth source from PAM to the shadow file. Nope.

I'm completely at a loss. I've been dealing with Dovecot for years
with no problems. Today, I swear some bit flipped all by itself. And I
can't find it.

If you have any idea of what I may have missed, I'd sure appreciate
hearing about it. And since I can't see the debian-user list, please
respond directly to me at ghe2...@gmail.com

TIA++.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/18/19, Kenneth Parker  wrote:
> I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian  --  for
> example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!)  become
> an expert.
>
> And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian
> Wiki.  (I'm also reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
>  ).
>
> My problem?  My best times for reading are times where a "Paper Book" is
> best.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any.
>
> If I'm missing something, please tell me.  Otherwise, do any of you know if
> someone's working on a Book?


Hi.. I took a super quick poke at it. Mostly landed a bunch of
references to something called "Savaged by Systemd".. =)

Did also see the following two:

* How Linux Works, 2nd Edition (Paperback); Brian Ward; 2015..
Incidentally references systemd as one of the many topics covered.

* Fedora Linux Servers with systemd: second edition; Petersen,
Richard; 2016. Systemd is in the title...

Otherwise, I wonder if the seeming shortage of tangible books is about
how volatile this topic is..

Or if it's maybe because it's an evolving, moving target
development-wise (just like all its counterparts)? Maybe it's hard to
document on paper because that [media] becomes outdated, thus
basically fire starter material, almost as fast as it's printed when
it comes to tech subjects?

Personally, I've bought several older tech books purely for
occasionally waxing nostalgic. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

/var trop gros

[JUPIN Alain]

Bonsoir,

Sur une config Debian + Postfix + Dovecot (en réalité iinstance  mail
d'uns serveur ISPConfig 3), j'ai le problème du /var trop "gros" et qui
me rempli presque a rabord la partition /

Donc j'ai naivement tenté (comme je l'ai fais sur d'autres install Debian) :
# mv /var/ /home/
# ln -s /home/var/ /var
# reboot

Eh bien au reboot, Dovecot et Mysql refuse de démarrer

# systemctl status mariadb.service
● mariadb.service - MariaDB 10.1.37 database server
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service; enabled; vendor
preset: enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2019-05-18 23:56:48
CEST; 5s ago
 Docs: man:mysqld(8)
   https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/systemd/
  Process: 1743 ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m 755 -o mysql -g root -d
/var/run/mysqld (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)

mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: Starting MariaDB 10.1.37
database server...
mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr install[1743]: /usr/bin/install:
impossible de créer le répertoire « /var »: Le fichier existe
mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Control
process exited, code=exited status=1
mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: Failed to start MariaDB
10.1.37 database server.
mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Unit
entered failed state.
mai 18 23:56:48 ruchba.jupinfo.fr systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Failed
with result 'exit-code'.

May 18 23:54:41 ruchba dovecot: master: Error:
bind(/var/spool/postfix/private/auth) failed: No such file or directory
May 18 23:54:41 ruchba dovecot: master: Fatal: Failed to start listeners

Après moultes essais infructueux  (pendant près de 2H !!! l'heure
tardive et la fatigue aidant), j'ai tout remis dans / et hop tout est
rentré dans l'ordre
Mais bientôt, / ne va plus être assez grand !
Pour info, /home est ma partition "data" elle fait 200Go !

Une solution pour transférer mon /var dans /home sans rien casser ?
Ou alors virer la partition /home et agrandir / ?

Merci pour votre aide !

-- 
Alain JUPIN

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Jérémy Prego]

Le 18/05/2019 à 11:38, Jean-Michel OLTRA a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
>
> Le samedi 18 mai 2019, Jérémy Prego a écrit...
>
>
>> le souci avec ma commande, c'est qu'à la création de l'archive, ça crée
>> un premier dossier "." donc je dois ouvrir ce dossier pour voir mes
>> fichiers.
> Essaie en étant dans le répertoire au dessus de toto, puis :
>
> tar -xzf toto.tar.gz -C toto --exclude ./downloads
> tar -tvzf toto.tar.gz
> mkdir tata
> cd tata
> tar -xzf ../toto.tar.gz

> hmmm, donc ça veut dire qu'on peut pas éviter ce "."  a la création de 
> l'archive directement ? c'est quand même embêtant ... en tout cas, merci pour 
> vos réponses jusqu'ici.

Jerem

Re: Programa para Ações

[riesdra]

Tem diversos sites de fiis, que fazem um serviço legal, queria ver se tinha um 
para ações.


--
Ricardo Libanio




 On Sáb, 18 mai 2019 12:33:22 -0300 he...@loureiro.eng.br wrote 


Quando eu fazia trade eu usava o itrader.  Mas já faz uma década que não mexo 
com isso.


https://helio.loureiro.eng.br/index.php/ferramentas/114-itrade-pra-mercado-de-acoes



O problema que tinha era que usava uma API do Yahoo e sempre dava uns paus e 
não atualizava os dados.


Depois de um tempo eu passei a usar o app web da corretora mesmo.


./helio


On Sat, May 18, 2019, 15:58 Joao Mandl  wrote:

Bom dia, 
Tentando colaborar.
Tem algum software similar para o Windows/Mac? Apenas para eu ver se conheço 
algum para Linux.
Hoje uso muito o Google Sheets e o próprio LibreOffice para os controles 
financeiros.
A uns tempos (1 ano) atrás tentei investir mais pesado com o profit que é um 
software para ver os candles, usava o wine e nunca tive problemas.
Att,


On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 09:15 Qobi Ben Nun  wrote:

Olá.

Não sei se lhe serviria, mas o GNU Cash é ótimo com finanças.

Att,




Em 17 de maio de 2019 13:18:55 BRT, riesdra  escreveu:
Olá,

Paulo, hoje eu uso libreoffice mas queria ver se existia algo específico já, 
pois facilitaria muito.

Rodolfo, sou um pequeno investidor, para mim hoje arcar com este custo ficaria 
pesado pelo que tenho.

Agradeço o retorno.


--
Ricardo Libanio




 On Sex, 17 mai 2019 09:12:38 -0300 rof20...@gmail.com wrote 


Sou programador, se quiser posso fazer um sistema pra você, porém só avisando 
que cobro né. Se não conseguir achar algum open source(eu realmente não conheço 
software para o que você quer, se não lhe indicaria sem problemas) e tiver 
interesse, só me procurar.


Abs.


Rodolfo Azevedo


Em qui, 16 de mai de 2019 às 22:41, riesdra  escreveu:

Olá, gostaria de saber se existe algum programa onde se possa lançar as compras 
de ações e fiis brasileiros , para fazer custo médio e acompanhar estoque das 
ações.

Desde já agradeço a atenção de todos.


--
Ricardo Libanio








--
Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela brevidade.
--

/João Paulo de Carvalho Mandl / joao.ma...@gmail.com / +55 11 9 9121 4634/

Re: Lançamentos da Debian

[Vitor Hugo]

Bom texto, a fonte poderia ser um pouco melhor para leitura.

Geralmente grandes corporações preferem utilizar sistemas operacionais 
que tem um longo ciclo como o FreeBSD.

Distribuições Linux que mantém um suporte a release por maior tempo 
possível são preferidas, isto acontece porque uma grande empresa tem 
muito dinheiro em jogo e não pode parar.

Em 17/05/2019 17:08, Francisco M Neto escreveu:
> Boa tarde!
>
> Criei o primeiro de uma série (de provavelmente 2) posts sobre o ciclo de
> lançamentos da Debian.
>
> Eu adoraria receber comentários a respeito, principalmente se vierem de alguém
> com  maior proximidade que eu à Debian.
>
> http://fmneto.com.br/archives/2019/entendendo-os-releases-da-debian/
>
> Abraços!
>

No Books in print on Systemd?

[Kenneth Parker]

I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian  --  for
example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!)  become
an expert.

And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian
Wiki.  (I'm also reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
 ).

My problem?  My best times for reading are times where a "Paper Book" is
best.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any.

If I'm missing something, please tell me.  Otherwise, do any of you know if
someone's working on a Book?

Thank you.

Kenneth Parker

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 18 mai 19, 19:46:07, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 18 May 2019 at 20:22:54 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> I cannot find anything referring to this deprecation. Indeed, we see

I meant the 'close' control command, not special address. See 
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard and search for 'close'.
 
>   > nnn-close is provided as an alias for nnn-done
> 
> at 
> 
>   https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer
> 
> That has been said since 1997.
> 
> I agree that providing a reason should be the norm. However, I have
> just closed one of my bugs with nnn-close@ without giving a reason.
> Not that I am proud of it!

:)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 18 mai 19, 13:02:52, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/18/2019 04:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > https://salsa.debian.org/amp-guest/pine64/blob/master/pine64_buildimage
> 
> Thank you.
> I've never used Salsa. I've found https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc .
> Any other suggested reading to keep off the street and out of mischief ;}
 
If - and only if - you need source code version control, you might be 
interested in git.

You only need Salsa if you want to contribute patches to Debian that 
way[1] or need a public place to upload some code.

If you really want to learn more about Salsa you need the GitLab 
docs[2]. Debian is using the Community Edition (CE).

[1] Debian package maintainers will likely accept patches in any usable 
form.
[2] https://docs.gitlab.com

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: buildd and buildbot

[Cousin Stanley]

Gene Heskett wrote:

>> https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php
> 
> Their object is to sell the board, support is very thin to zip.  
> 
> BTDT, sorry I bought 2 of them.
>

  I only have a single rock64 board that I've used
  just for testing to see what they're all about
  and it's curently off-line.

  It's been quite a while since I've visited the rock64 forum
  but the few times I posted over there, respondents seemed 
  to be helpful  

  As always one's own proverbial mileage may vary 


-- 
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

[Brian]

On Sat 18 May 2019 at 20:22:54 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Du, 30 dec 18, 17:30:24, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> > Il 30/12/18 17:09, Brian ha scritto:
> > 
> > 
> > > I am unfamiliar with the bts (?) method so cannot offer advice.
> > 
> > I suspect the isse was the empty subject line but that error message was
> > a hell of a convoluted way to say so :)
> 
> Just for the archives, the 'close' command was deprecated, IIUC because 
> it was too easy to close a bug without providing any reason.

I cannot find anything referring to this deprecation. Indeed, we see

  > nnn-close is provided as an alias for nnn-done

at 

  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer

That has been said since 1997.

I agree that providing a reason should be the norm. However, I have
just closed one of my bugs with nnn-close@ without giving a reason.
Not that I am proud of it!

-- 
Brian.

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-18 19:31:22)
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200
> Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.
> > 
> > Please consider re-posting such contributions to 
> > 929...@bugs.debian.org to help keep such information tied to the 
> > bugreport.
> 
> I think for now I included all relevant information from this thread 
> into the bugreport.
> 
> > 
> > For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and 
> > encourage posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking 
> > help here.
> 
> Sure, I just followed the advice from reportbug which said something 
> like "if you are unsure which package the bug belongs to, ask on 
> debian-user for help" :)

Ahh, then you are the expert here :-)

I am a long time Debian developer but new to hanging out in d-user :-)


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

 [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private


signature.asc
Description: signature

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Felix Miata]

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 11:18 (UTC-0400):

> videobuf2_dvb  16384  1 cx88_dvb
> dvb_core  122880  3 or51132,videobuf2_dvb,cx88_dvb
> nouveau  1564672  4
> mxm_wmi16384  1 nouveau
> wmi16384  2 mxm_wmi,nouveau
> video  40960  1 nouveau
> ttm   102400  1 nouveau
> drm_kms_helper155648  1 nouveau
> drm   364544  7 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper
> videobuf2_dma_sg   16384  2 cx88_dvb,cx8800
> videobuf2_memops   16384  1 videobuf2_dma_sg
> videobuf2_v4l2 24576  2 cx88_dvb,cx8800
> videobuf2_core 40960  6 
> videobuf2_dvb,cx88_dvb,cx8802,cx88xx,videobuf2_v4l2,cx8800
> videodev  184320  6 
> tuner,v4l2_common,videobuf2_core,cx88xx,videobuf2_v4l2,cx8800
> media  40960  2 tuner,videodev
> i2c_algo_bit   16384  3 cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx88xx,nouveau

Do all CNC controllers need all this video stuff? Is it established fact that 
the
normally power hungry NVidia cards work better than Intel IGP? Is this running a
WM or DE? If so, which? What is output in Xterm from 'inxi -SCGxx' using current
inxi version? Stretch's is ancient. Author prefers users use latest and keep it 
up
to date using its U switch. (It's just a script.)
https://smxi.org/docs/inxi-installation.htm
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/18/2019 04:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Mi, 12 dec 18, 09:56:09, Richard Owlett wrote:


As some of my interest was focused on finding out just how small a useful
Debian system could be, I was pointed towards debootstrap. I didn't have
needed background at that time. I've continued to pursue the literature
sporadically.

One of the problems was everything seemed to be focused on a foreign
architecture &/or release &/or being run on a non-Debian machine.

My interest has been rekindled. I wish to understand debootstrap. To that
end I do a minimalist bootable Debian installation.

Summary:
Target will be another partition on my current machine.
I will use the same release and architecture of the current machine.


Hi Richard,

Because I wanted to run pure Debian and didn't like the customizations
the pre-built PINE A64+ images had I wrote a small script to build my
own (bootable) images.

https://salsa.debian.org/amp-guest/pine64/blob/master/pine64_buildimage

It could serve as inspiration (or base) to write your own script.

Kind regards,
Andrei



Thank you.
I've never used Salsa. I've found https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc .
Any other suggested reading to keep off the street and out of mischief ;}

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200
Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:

(...)
> I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.
> 
> Please consider re-posting such contributions to 929...@bugs.debian.org 
> to help keep such information tied to the bugreport.

I think for now I included all relevant information from this thread into
the bugreport.

> 
> For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and encourage 
> posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking help here.

Sure, I just followed the advice from reportbug which said something like
"if you are unsure which package the bug belongs to, ask on debian-user
for help" :)

Regards

Michael

.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

I realize that command does have its fascination, even under
circumstances such as these, but I neither enjoy the idea of command
nor am I frightened of it.  It simply exists, and I will do whatever
logically needs to be done.
-- Spock, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2812.7

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 30 dec 18, 17:30:24, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Il 30/12/18 17:09, Brian ha scritto:
> 
> 
> > I am unfamiliar with the bts (?) method so cannot offer advice.
> 
> I suspect the isse was the empty subject line but that error message was
> a hell of a convoluted way to say so :)

Just for the archives, the 'close' command was deprecated, IIUC because 
it was too easy to close a bug without providing any reason.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Fwd: Recherche solution centre appels

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail transféré -
> De: "Bernard Schoenacker" 
> À: "David Pinson" 
> Envoyé: Samedi 18 Mai 2019 16:05:13
> Objet: Re: Recherche solution centre appels
> 
> 
> bonjour,
> j'avais trouvé une solution combinée de helpdesk
> à partir de mél et d'appel téléphoniques, mais
> je ne sais plius du tout ce qu'il en est advenu
> 
> OTRS
> 
> apt-cache search otrs
> otrs - Open Ticket Request System (OTRS 6)
> otrs2 - Open Ticket Request System
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=otrs
> 
> Package: otrs
> Source: otrs2
> Version: 6.0.16-2
> Installed-Size: 253
> Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi 
> Architecture: all
> Depends: otrs2
> Description-en: Open Ticket Request System (OTRS 6)
>  OTRS is an Open source Ticket Request System (also well known as
>  trouble ticket system) with many features to manage customer
>  telephone
>  calls and e-mails. The system is built to allow your support, sales,
>  pre-sales, billing, internal IT, helpdesk, etc. department to react
>  quickly to inbound inquiries.
>  .
>  This package depends on the otrs2 6.x series package.
> Description-md5: eeb3231e0d9a99762a6f513c16559375
> Homepage: https://www.otrs.com
> Tag: devel::lang:sql, interface::web, network::server, role::program,
>  web::application, works-with::bugs, works-with::db, works-with::mail
> Section: non-free/web
> Priority: optional
> Filename: pool/non-free/o/otrs2/otrs_6.0.16-2_all.deb
> Size: 247372
> MD5sum: 88c227cbb66404610f493bd9db12da9c
> SHA256:
> 13af875b671ebe828b6ab8b3540cf5422770dcb4adb1b809615853cb3ee182ae
> 
> 
> autrement en iso toute prête, il y longtemps j'avais vu une iso
> espagnole sur base rpm (j'ai perdu le nom)
> 
> (no sé?) :
> https://www.elastix.org/
> 
> 
> en image iso :
> https://www.asterisk.org/downloads/asterisknow
> 
> les autres alternatives :
> https://alternativeto.net/software/asterisk/
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
> > De: "David Pinson" 
> > À: "mailing-list francais" 
> > Envoyé: Samedi 18 Mai 2019 15:04:14
> > Objet: Recherche solution centre appels
> > 
> > Bonjour la liste,
> > 
> > Je suis à la recherche d'un projet d'un iPBX à la sauce Debian.
> > Je ne retrouve que des solutions de centre d'appel sous forme de
> > campagne et je recherche plutôt l'inverse.
> > 
> > Voici que je recherche dans les fonctionnalités:
> > 
> > - Appels entrants
> > - Serveur vocal interactif
> > - gestion des opérateurs
> > - Gestion de la durée des appels
> > - Affichage des appels entrants, en cours, en attente, etc...
> > - Affichage durée moyenne par appel et possibilité de donner le
> > temps
> > d'attente d'un appel à l'appelant.
> > 
> > Ok pour Asterisk mais j'ai besoin d'avoir des tutos, des ISOs tout
> > prêt,
> > etc... Le temps nous manque et je sais qu'il y a déjà des projets
> > similaires.
> > 
> > J'ai déjà cherché sur les moteurs de recherche et il faut avoir le
> > temps
> > de les décortiquer !
> > Vos expériences sont les meilleurs atouts.
> > 
> > D'avance merci beaucoup pour vos idées et liens,
> > Librement vôtre,
> > David P.
> > 
> 

Re: kmail and encrypted mails

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 25 dec 18, 11:52:53, Nicolas George wrote:
> Katnip (2018-12-25):
> > you could try using protonmail which has pgp, it's free to start with.
> 
> The problem is not the software, changing it will not help.

In this particular case it would, since ProtonMail is a webmail and app 
with built-in GPG encryption, which will automatically generate a pair 
of keys for you.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-17 00:28:34)
> On Wed, 15 May 2019 21:03:40 +0200 Jonas Smedegaard  
> wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > Please report the issue as a bug as best as you can - e.g. file it 
> > against either of those involved packages (or both, comma-separated).
> > 
> > It is easy in Debian's bugtracker to reassign later to another package 
> > as needed.
> 
> fyi, I now filed a bug report here:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929090

Thanks. Much appreciated!

I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.

Please consider re-posting such contributions to 929...@bugs.debian.org 
to help keep such information tied to the bugreport.

For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and encourage 
posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking help here.


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

 [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private


signature.asc
Description: signature

Re: buildd and buildbot

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 09:27:38 am Cousin Stanley wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have now duplicated this same set of downloads and installs
> > on the rock64 
> > 
>
>   If you haven't already, you might consider a query
>   concerning the particular package and the tools
>   you are working with at the pine64/roc64 forum 
>
> https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php

Their object is to sell the board, support is very thin to zip.  BTDT, 
sorry I bought 2 of them.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 08:16:34 am Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common
> > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive.
>
> That's a core component of the Linux *kernel* HID (human interface
> device) subsystem.
>
> You need, for a bug report:

And I need the url to submit it to all to, this will be way too big for 
an email message. Its been years since I've done this.

> 1. the *exact* kernel version installed (where you got it from, its
> full version information)
> 2. stack of loaded modules (output of lsmod)
> 3. the boot messages (output of "journalctl -b 0 -k")
> 4. the stack of USB crap plugged to the kernel (output of "lsusb -vvv"
> as root).
> 5. just in case, the output of "lspci -vvv" as root as well.
>
> You can try downgrading (our updating) your kernel to narrow down the
> issue, too.
>
> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
> filesystems.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Programa para Ações

[Helio Loureiro]

Quando eu fazia trade eu usava o itrader.  Mas já faz uma década que não
mexo com isso.

https://helio.loureiro.eng.br/index.php/ferramentas/114-itrade-pra-mercado-de-acoes

O problema que tinha era que usava uma API do Yahoo e sempre dava uns paus
e não atualizava os dados.

Depois de um tempo eu passei a usar o app web da corretora mesmo.

./helio

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 15:58 Joao Mandl  wrote:

> Bom dia,
> Tentando colaborar.
> Tem algum software similar para o Windows/Mac? Apenas para eu ver se
> conheço algum para Linux.
> Hoje uso muito o Google Sheets e o próprio LibreOffice para os controles
> financeiros.
> A uns tempos (1 ano) atrás tentei investir mais pesado com o profit que é
> um software para ver os candles, usava o wine e nunca tive problemas.
> Att,
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 09:15 Qobi Ben Nun  wrote:
>
>> Olá.
>>
>> Não sei se lhe serviria, mas o GNU Cash é ótimo com finanças.
>>
>> Att,
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 17 de maio de 2019 13:18:55 BRT, riesdra  escreveu:
>>>
>>> Olá,
>>>
>>> Paulo, hoje eu uso libreoffice mas queria ver se existia algo específico
>>> já, pois facilitaria muito.
>>>
>>> Rodolfo, sou um pequeno investidor, para mim hoje arcar com este custo
>>> ficaria pesado pelo que tenho.
>>>
>>> Agradeço o retorno.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Ricardo Libanio*
>>>
>>>  On Sex, 17 mai 2019 09:12:38 -0300 * rof20...@gmail.com
>>>  * wrote 
>>>
>>> Sou programador, se quiser posso fazer um sistema pra você, porém só
>>> avisando que cobro né. Se não conseguir achar algum open source(eu
>>> realmente não conheço software para o que você quer, se não lhe indicaria
>>> sem problemas) e tiver interesse, só me procurar.
>>>
>>> Abs.
>>>
>>> Rodolfo Azevedo
>>>
>>> Em qui, 16 de mai de 2019 às 22:41, riesdra  escreveu:
>>>
>>> Olá, gostaria de saber se existe algum programa onde se possa lançar as
>>> compras de ações e fiis brasileiros , para fazer custo médio e acompanhar
>>> estoque das ações.
>>>
>>> Desde já agradeço a atenção de todos.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Ricardo Libanio*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela
>> brevidade.
>>
> --
> /João Paulo de Carvalho Mandl / joao.ma...@gmail.com / +55 11 9 9121 4634/
>

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 08:16:34 am Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common
> > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive.
>
> That's a core component of the Linux *kernel* HID (human interface
> device) subsystem.
>
> You need, for a bug report:
>
> 1. the *exact* kernel version installed (where you got it from, its
> full version information)
This kernel is a hard one to build and get right, its a fully rt-prempt 
version built for running machinery with software step generation for 
stepper motor powered machinery.  Because its a testing version, it will 
become the linuxcnc version 2.8 install iso in due time, although the 
basic build by then might be buster,  All this stuff I'm finding is, if 
related to linuxcnc, being reported back to the developers.
uname -a says:
Linux coyote 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 
(2019-05-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 2. stack of loaded modules (output of lsmod)
root@coyote:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
fuse   98304  11
uinput 20480  1
binfmt_misc20480  1
or5113216384  1
cx88_dvb   36864  0
cx88_vp3054_i2c16384  1 cx88_dvb
videobuf2_dvb  16384  1 cx88_dvb
dvb_core  122880  3 or51132,videobuf2_dvb,cx88_dvb
ir_rc5_decoder 16384  0
ir_lirc_codec  16384  0
lirc_dev   20480  1 ir_lirc_codec
rc_hauppauge   16384  0
tuner_simple   20480  2
tuner_types28672  1 tuner_simple
tda988716384  1
tda829024576  0
snd_hda_codec_analog16384  1
snd_hda_codec_generic69632  1 snd_hda_codec_analog
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 49152  4
tuner  28672  2
nouveau  1564672  4
edac_mce_amd   28672  0
mxm_wmi16384  1 nouveau
edac_core  57344  0
wmi16384  2 mxm_wmi,nouveau
cx8802 20480  1 cx88_dvb
cx8800 40960  0
video  40960  1 nouveau
kvm_amd  2179072  0
cx88xx 86016  3 cx88_dvb,cx8802,cx8800
ttm   102400  1 nouveau
tveeprom   24576  1 cx88xx
kvm   602112  1 kvm_amd
drm_kms_helper155648  1 nouveau
rc_core28672  6 
rc_hauppauge,ir_lirc_codec,lirc_dev,cx88xx,ir_rc5_decoder
drm   364544  7 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper
v4l2_common16384  3 tuner,cx88xx,cx8800
videobuf2_dma_sg   16384  2 cx88_dvb,cx8800
videobuf2_memops   16384  1 videobuf2_dma_sg
videobuf2_v4l2 24576  2 cx88_dvb,cx8800
videobuf2_core 40960  6 
videobuf2_dvb,cx88_dvb,cx8802,cx88xx,videobuf2_v4l2,cx8800
videodev  184320  6 
tuner,v4l2_common,videobuf2_core,cx88xx,videobuf2_v4l2,cx8800
irqbypass  16384  1 kvm
ftdi_sio   53248  0
pcspkr 16384  0
usbserial  49152  1 ftdi_sio
evdev  24576  9
serio_raw  16384  0
joydev 20480  0
k10temp16384  0
media  40960  2 tuner,videodev
i2c_algo_bit   16384  3 cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx88xx,nouveau
usblp  20480  0
snd_hda_intel  40960  3
snd_hda_codec 135168  4 
snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic
snd_hda_core   90112  5 
snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic
snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm   114688  4 
snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
snd_timer  32768  1 snd_pcm
sg 32768  0
snd81920  14 
snd_hda_intel,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_pcm
soundcore  16384  1 snd
shpchp 36864  0
asus_atk0110   20480  0
button 16384  1 nouveau
nv_tco 16384  0
parport_pc 28672  1
ppdev  20480  0
lp 20480  0
parport49152  3 lp,parport_pc,ppdev
ip_tables  28672  0
x_tables   36864  1 ip_tables
autofs440960  2
uas24576  0
usb_storage73728  1 uas
hid_logitech_hidpp 28672  0
hid_logitech_dj20480  0
hid_generic16384  0
usbhid 49152  0
hid   122880  6 
hid_generic,usbhid,hid_logitech_dj,hid_logitech_hidpp
ext4  598016  4
crc16  16384  1 ext4
jbd2  110592  1 ext4
crc32c_generic 16384  8
fscrypto   28672  1 ext4
ecb16384  0
glue_helper16384  0
lrw16384  0
gf128mul   16384  1 lrw

Re: Readme sanity check

[Kushal Kumaran]

bw  writes:

> In-Reply-To: <7d98acfd-19b9-ed61-362c-81e714484...@disroot.org>
>
> ...
>>Would it be possible to someone have a read through...
>
> I like a good read, never heard of rocksndiamonds though. Could not find 
> the text.  I used ff-esr, chromium with no javascript and links2.  All I 
> get is a very nice page with a lot of disabled controls, and cool 
> tooltips.  Clean links are best, blind links are sucky.
>
> $ wget --spider 
> https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/rocksndiamondslevels/blob/master/README.md
> Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
> --2019-05-17 22:29:09--  
> https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/rocksndiamondslevels/blob/master/README.md
> Resolving salsa.debian.org (salsa.debian.org)... 209.87.16.44, 
> 2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44
> Connecting to salsa.debian.org (salsa.debian.org)|209.87.16.44|:443... 
> connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> Length: unspecified [text/html]
> Remote file exists and could contain further links,
> but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving.

Try
https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/rocksndiamondslevels/raw/master/README.md

>From what I've heard, gitlab web UI does not work if javascript is
disabled.

-- 
regards,
kushal

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:27:43 am Dominik George wrote:

> No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub.
>
> Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of
> care rather than being evil.
>
> And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to
> diversity: They mistake diversity for caring for certain groups of
> people, often women, trans people, or the disabled. They don't get
> that choosing a set of people to include, instead of removing *all*
> barriers, is discrimination rather than inclusion.
>
> -nik

Very well said nik.  That point should be made often and loud,

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:15:32 am Felix Miata wrote:

> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 03:46 (UTC-0400):
> > Felix Miata wrote:
> >> Does /var/log/journal/ exist?
> >
> > no, should it?
>
> It's the home of the optional persistent systemd journal. The option
> is configured simply by its presence or not. I resisted it for several
> years, but no more since over a year ago.
>
> >> If it does, try:
> >>
> >>journalctl | grep hid-common
> >
> > which says I should sudo it, and when I do, grep only finds itself
> > in 3 stanza's with wrong syntax on the 2nd invocation:
> > COMMAND=/bin/grep -Rhid-common
>
> "If it exists". Dunno what's expected when it doesn't exist.
>
> You seem to have picked up youngster's misusage of English. "3
> stanzas" do not possess "with wrong syntax". :-D

Sure they do, journalctl actually finds 6 instances of grep with slightly 
different syntax, I assume to catch all the corner cases.

I only copy/pasted the obviously wrong one above. The lack of a space 
between the -R and the name its searching for is a syntax error, or 
should be, but was not reported as such. Here is the complete output of 
that command:

root@coyote:~$ journalctl | grep hid-common

May 17 23:08:14 coyote sudo[5114]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; 
PWD=/home/gene ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep 
hid-common /var/log/syslog

May 17 23:08:44 coyote sudo[5132]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; 
PWD=/home/gene ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep 
hid-common /var/log/syslog

May 17 23:11:13 coyote sudo[5204]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; PWD=/var/log ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep hid-common kern.log

May 17 23:11:58 coyote sudo[5225]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; PWD=/var/log ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep hid-common alternatives.log amanda apache2 
apt apt-cacher-ng aptitude auth.log auth.log.1 auth.log.2.gz 
bootstrap.log btmp clamav cups daemon.log daemon.log.1 daemon.log.2.gz 
debug debug.1 debug.2.gz dmesg dpkg.log exim4 faillog fontconfig.log 
fsck hp httpd installer kern.log kern.log.1 kern.log.2.gz lastlog 
lightdm lpr.log lpr.log.1 lpr.log.2.gz mail.err mail.err.1 mail.err.2.gz 
mail.info mail.info.1 mail.info.2.gz mail.log mail.log.1 mail.log.2.gz 
mail.warn mail.warn.1 mail.warn.2.gz messages messages.1 messages.2.gz 
samba speech-dispatcher syslog syslog.1 syslog.2.gz syslog.3.gz 
syslog.4.gz syslog.5.gz syslog.6.gz syslog.7.gz tdm.log tdm.log.1 
tdm.log.2.gz tdm.log.3.gz tdm.log.4.gz unattended-upgrades user.log 
user.log.1 user.log.2.gz wtmp Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log

May 17 23:12:39 coyote sudo[5567]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; PWD=/var/log ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep -Rhid-common alternatives.log amanda 
apache2 apt apt-cacher-ng aptitude auth.log auth.log.1 auth.log.2.gz 
bootstrap.log btmp clamav cups daemon.log daemon.log.1 daemon.log.2.gz 
debug debug.1 debug.2.gz dmesg dpkg.log exim4 faillog fontconfig.log 
fsck hp httpd installer kern.log kern.log.1 kern.log.2.gz lastlog 
lightdm lpr.log lpr.log.1 lpr.log.2.gz mail.err mail.err.1 mail.err.2.gz 
mail.info mail.info.1 mail.info.2.gz mail.log mail.log.1 mail.log.2.gz 
mail.warn mail.warn.1 mail.warn.2.gz messages messages.1 messages.2.gz 
samba speech-dispatcher syslog syslog.1 syslog.2.gz syslog.3.gz 
syslog.4.gz syslog.5.gz syslog.6.gz syslog.7.gz tdm.log tdm.log.1 
tdm.log.2.gz tdm.log.3.gz tdm.log.4.gz unattended-upgrades user.log 
user.log.1 user.log.2.gz wtmp Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log

May 17 23:12:53 coyote sudo[5979]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; PWD=/var/log ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep -R hid-common alternatives.log amanda 
apache2 apt apt-cacher-ng aptitude auth.log auth.log.1 auth.log.2.gz 
bootstrap.log btmp clamav cups daemon.log daemon.log.1 daemon.log.2.gz 
debug debug.1 debug.2.gz dmesg dpkg.log exim4 faillog fontconfig.log 
fsck hp httpd installer kern.log kern.log.1 kern.log.2.gz lastlog 
lightdm lpr.log lpr.log.1 lpr.log.2.gz mail.err mail.err.1 mail.err.2.gz 
mail.info mail.info.1 mail.info.2.gz mail.log mail.log.1 mail.log.2.gz 
mail.warn mail.warn.1 mail.warn.2.gz messages messages.1 messages.2.gz 
samba speech-dispatcher syslog syslog.1 syslog.2.gz syslog.3.gz 
syslog.4.gz syslog.5.gz syslog.6.gz syslog.7.gz tdm.log tdm.log.1 
tdm.log.2.gz tdm.log.3.gz tdm.log.4.gz unattended-upgrades user.log 
user.log.1 user.log.2.gz wtmp Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log

Wordwrap screws it all up, so I put a line feed between instances.

At 84, I think I do understand English, but it has more modifiers and 
variations that any other fairly common language on this ball of rock 
and water we arbitrarily call a planet.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 18 May 2019, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-05-18, Reco  wrote:
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> >> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
> >> filesystems.
> >
> > Can you share a bug number please?
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/11/74
> 
> Is that it?

Yes.  Since that thread was broken by some crap MUA and I won't hunt it
down its other side at LKML right now (where the patches were posted):

current stable queue for 5.1:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git/tree/queue-5.1
 

(not all of the ext4 patches in there are related to this issue).

NOTE: unless you're used to working with this level of "not yet made
gold" code, just wait for 5.1.4 to be released.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 18 May 2019, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
> > filesystems.
> 
> Can you share a bug number please?

On LKML.  Just look at the ext4 patches in the stable queue for 5.1.4,
it doesn't have a "bug number".

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Recherche solution centre appels

[ajh-valmer]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 15:04:14 David Pinson wrote:
> Je suis à la recherche d'un projet d'un iPBX à la sauce Debian.
> Je ne retrouve que des solutions de centre d'appel sous forme de
> campagne et je recherche plutôt l'inverse.
> Voici que je recherche dans les fonctionnalités:
> - Appels entrants
> - Serveur vocal interactif
> - gestion des opérateurs
> - Gestion de la durée des appels
> - Affichage des appels entrants, en cours, en attente, etc...
> - Affichage durée moyenne par appel et possibilité de donner le temps
> d'attente d'un appel à l'appelant.
> Ok pour Asterisk mais j'ai besoin d'avoir des tutos, des ISOs tout prêt,
> etc... Le temps nous manque et je sais qu'il y a déjà des projets
> similaires.
> J'ai déjà cherché sur les moteurs de recherche et il faut avoir le temps
> de les décortiquer !  Vos expériences sont les meilleurs atouts.

Demander à une caserne de pompiers ou à un service du Samu ?
(mais utilisent-ils un logiciel Libre ?).

Une liste de 10 PBX opensource :
https://getvoip.com/blog/2016/09/23/best-open-source-pbx-software/

Re: Programa para Ações

[Joao Mandl]

Bom dia,
Tentando colaborar.
Tem algum software similar para o Windows/Mac? Apenas para eu ver se
conheço algum para Linux.
Hoje uso muito o Google Sheets e o próprio LibreOffice para os controles
financeiros.
A uns tempos (1 ano) atrás tentei investir mais pesado com o profit que é
um software para ver os candles, usava o wine e nunca tive problemas.
Att,

On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 09:15 Qobi Ben Nun  wrote:

> Olá.
>
> Não sei se lhe serviria, mas o GNU Cash é ótimo com finanças.
>
> Att,
>
>
>
> Em 17 de maio de 2019 13:18:55 BRT, riesdra  escreveu:
>>
>> Olá,
>>
>> Paulo, hoje eu uso libreoffice mas queria ver se existia algo específico
>> já, pois facilitaria muito.
>>
>> Rodolfo, sou um pequeno investidor, para mim hoje arcar com este custo
>> ficaria pesado pelo que tenho.
>>
>> Agradeço o retorno.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> *Ricardo Libanio*
>>
>>  On Sex, 17 mai 2019 09:12:38 -0300 * rof20...@gmail.com
>>  * wrote 
>>
>> Sou programador, se quiser posso fazer um sistema pra você, porém só
>> avisando que cobro né. Se não conseguir achar algum open source(eu
>> realmente não conheço software para o que você quer, se não lhe indicaria
>> sem problemas) e tiver interesse, só me procurar.
>>
>> Abs.
>>
>> Rodolfo Azevedo
>>
>> Em qui, 16 de mai de 2019 às 22:41, riesdra  escreveu:
>>
>> Olá, gostaria de saber se existe algum programa onde se possa lançar as
>> compras de ações e fiis brasileiros , para fazer custo médio e acompanhar
>> estoque das ações.
>>
>> Desde já agradeço a atenção de todos.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> *Ricardo Libanio*
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela
> brevidade.
>
-- 
/João Paulo de Carvalho Mandl / joao.ma...@gmail.com / +55 11 9 9121 4634/

Re: buildd and buildbot

[Cousin Stanley]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> I have now duplicated this same set of downloads and installs 
> on the rock64 
> 

  If you haven't already, you might consider a query 
  concerning the particular package and the tools 
  you are working with at the pine64/roc64 forum  

https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php

-- 
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[tomas]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 02:37:09PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> 
> >I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding
> >about what inclusive policies mean or what.
> 
> More like reductio ad absurdum.  The point is, legislation cannot do
> away with discrimination.

Legislation alone won't do it. Without (appropriate) legislation it'll
be more difficult.

What "appropriate" means is left as an exercise to the reader.

Now I'm outta this thread. Interesting topic, but offtopic.

Cheers
-- t


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,

>I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding
>about what inclusive policies mean or what.

More like reductio ad absurdum.  The point is, legislation cannot do
away with discrimination.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Every single one of us
Devil Inside - INXS


pgpv77NFCsTHi.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Recherche solution centre appels

[David Pinson]

Bonjour la liste,

Je suis à la recherche d'un projet d'un iPBX à la sauce Debian.
Je ne retrouve que des solutions de centre d'appel sous forme de
campagne et je recherche plutôt l'inverse.

Voici que je recherche dans les fonctionnalités:

- Appels entrants
- Serveur vocal interactif
- gestion des opérateurs
- Gestion de la durée des appels
- Affichage des appels entrants, en cours, en attente, etc...
- Affichage durée moyenne par appel et possibilité de donner le temps
d'attente d'un appel à l'appelant.

Ok pour Asterisk mais j'ai besoin d'avoir des tutos, des ISOs tout prêt,
etc... Le temps nous manque et je sais qu'il y a déjà des projets
similaires.

J'ai déjà cherché sur les moteurs de recherche et il faut avoir le temps
de les décortiquer !
Vos expériences sont les meilleurs atouts.

D'avance merci beaucoup pour vos idées et liens,
Librement vôtre,
David P.

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[tomas]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:52:50AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200
> Dominik George  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dominik,
> 
> >trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of
> >people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is
> >discrimination rather than inclusion. 
> 
> The problem is that, in some countries, to combat discrimination,
> organisations are *required* to discriminate.  Catch-22.

Fascinating.

I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding
about what inclusive policies mean or what.

But it seems definitely off-topic...

Cheers
-- t


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

[Curt]

On 2019-05-18, Reco  wrote:
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
>> filesystems.
>
> Can you share a bug number please?

https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/11/74

Is that it?

(All over my head.)

> Reco
>

Rstudio Crashes.

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I have installed R-3.3.3 and RStudio-1.2.1335-amd on my Stretch platform.

There were no installer complaints with any of the packages during the 
installation.


RStudio opens without messages, but when I attempt downloading and 
installing an application there is a series of errors and RStudio closes:


Script started on Sat 18 May 2019 08:24:26 AM EDT
(base) ]0;comp@AbNormal: ~comp@AbNormal:~$ 
rstudio

nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 1 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf  0005 0004 0004 
nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 1 bufs 14 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf  0005 0004 0004 
nouveau: ch6: buf 0001 0006 0004  0004
nouveau: ch6: buf 0002 002d 0002  0002
nouveau: ch6: buf 0003 0052 0004 0004 
nouveau: ch6: buf 0004 0005 0004 0004 
nouveau: ch6: buf 0005 0014 0002 0002 
nouveau: ch6: buf 0006 0007 0002 0002 
Received signal 11nouveau: ch6: buf 0007 0007 0002 0002 

 SEGV_MAPERR 0008nouveau: ch6: buf 0008 0008 0002 
0002 


nouveau: ch6: buf 0009 000b 0002 0002 
nouveau: ch6: buf 000a 000b 0002 0002 
nouveau: ch6: buf 000b 000a 0002 0002 0002
nouveau: ch6: buf 000c 0006 0004  0004
nouveau: ch6: buf 000d 0015 0002  0002
nouveau: ch6: psh 0004 06376c 0637f4
nouveau: 0x200203fd

<...cut

nouveau: 0x1000f010
Segmentation fault
(base) ]0;comp@AbNormal: ~comp@AbNormal:~$ exit

Script done on Sat 18 May 2019 08:25:03 AM EDT

Help will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.  Life is a fuzzy set
www.molecular-modeling.netStochastic and multivariate
(614)312-7528(c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Lançamentos da Debian

[Qobi Ben Nun]

Olá, Francisco


Em 17 de maio de 2019 17:08:06 BRT, Francisco M Neto  
escreveu:
>Boa tarde!
>
>Criei o primeiro de uma série (de provavelmente 2) posts sobre o ciclo
>de
>lançamentos da Debian. 
>

Sua iniciativa é muito boa. Parabéns!

>Eu adoraria receber comentários a respeito, principalmente se vierem de
>alguém
>com  maior proximidade que eu à Debian.
>

Se contar a opinião de quem usa Debian há quase 15 anos, digo que seu texto é 
bem leve e tranquilo de ler. 
Algo desse tipo poderia estar na Wiki do Projeto. Meu apoio já tem.

>http://fmneto.com.br/archives/2019/entendendo-os-releases-da-debian/
>
>Abraços!

-- 
Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela brevidade.

Att,

Qobi

[OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

[Reco]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
> filesystems.

Can you share a bug number please?

Reco

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common
> This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive.

That's a core component of the Linux *kernel* HID (human interface
device) subsystem.

You need, for a bug report:

1. the *exact* kernel version installed (where you got it from, its full
   version information)
2. stack of loaded modules (output of lsmod)
3. the boot messages (output of "journalctl -b 0 -k")
4. the stack of USB crap plugged to the kernel (output of "lsusb -vvv" as
root).
5. just in case, the output of "lspci -vvv" as root as well.

You can try downgrading (our updating) your kernel to narrow down the
issue, too.

Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4
filesystems.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Programa para Ações

[Qobi Ben Nun]

Olá.

Não sei se lhe serviria, mas o GNU Cash é ótimo com finanças.

Att,



Em 17 de maio de 2019 13:18:55 BRT, riesdra  escreveu:
>Olá,
>
>Paulo, hoje eu uso libreoffice mas queria ver se existia algo
>específico já, pois facilitaria muito.
>
>Rodolfo, sou um pequeno investidor, para mim hoje arcar com este custo
>ficaria pesado pelo que tenho.
>
>Agradeço o retorno.
>
>--
>Ricardo Libanio
>
>
>
>
> On Sex, 17 mai 2019 09:12:38 -0300 rof20...@gmail.com wrote 
>
>
>Sou programador, se quiser posso fazer um sistema pra você, porém só
>avisando que cobro né. Se não conseguir achar algum open source(eu
>realmente não conheço software para o que você quer, se não lhe
>indicaria sem problemas) e tiver interesse, só me procurar.
>
>
>Abs.
>
>
>Rodolfo Azevedo
>
>
>Em qui, 16 de mai de 2019 às 22:41, riesdra 
>escreveu:
>
>Olá, gostaria de saber se existe algum programa onde se possa lançar as
>compras de ações e fiis brasileiros , para fazer custo médio e
>acompanhar estoque das ações.
>
>Desde já agradeço a atenção de todos.
>
>
>--
>Ricardo Libanio

-- 
Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela brevidade.

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200
Dominik George  wrote:

Hello Dominik,

>trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of
>people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is
>discrimination rather than inclusion. 

The problem is that, in some countries, to combat discrimination,
organisations are *required* to discriminate.  Catch-22.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway
(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash


pgpb1eYCq3J4U.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 12 dec 18, 09:56:09, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> As some of my interest was focused on finding out just how small a useful
> Debian system could be, I was pointed towards debootstrap. I didn't have
> needed background at that time. I've continued to pursue the literature
> sporadically.
> 
> One of the problems was everything seemed to be focused on a foreign
> architecture &/or release &/or being run on a non-Debian machine.
> 
> My interest has been rekindled. I wish to understand debootstrap. To that
> end I do a minimalist bootable Debian installation.
> 
> Summary:
> Target will be another partition on my current machine.
> I will use the same release and architecture of the current machine.

Hi Richard,

Because I wanted to run pure Debian and didn't like the customizations 
the pre-built PINE A64+ images had I wrote a small script to build my 
own (bootable) images.

https://salsa.debian.org/amp-guest/pine64/blob/master/pine64_buildimage

It could serve as inspiration (or base) to write your own script.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le samedi 18 mai 2019, Jérémy Prego a écrit...


> le souci avec ma commande, c'est qu'à la création de l'archive, ça crée
> un premier dossier "." donc je dois ouvrir ce dossier pour voir mes
> fichiers.

Essaie en étant dans le répertoire au dessus de toto, puis :

tar -xzf toto.tar.gz -C toto --exclude ./downloads
tar -tvzf toto.tar.gz
mkdir tata
cd tata
tar -xzf ../toto.tar.gz

-- 
jm

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[tomas]

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:51:40AM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> >Yes, it does.  Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial
> >patent
> >exhaustion effect.   If software with patented algorithms is
> >distributed by the
> >patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is
> >exhausted.
> >https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/patent_exhaustion/
> 
> Yeah, ok, no idea. Such a stupid thing as software patents does not exist 
> where I live.

You would think so, and the European Patent Convention (EPC) sounds
pretty nice, but the fact that the European Patent Office is betting
heavily on pretty scantily clothed software patents [1] is somewhat
unsettling, to say the least.

Yes, I'm happy that we've come so far (and I've been standing in front
of the EU parliament chanting with a bunch of other crazies a couple
of years ago), but we haven't "won" yet.

Cheers

[1] Just say "on a computer" :-)
-- t


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Low-Cost Tablet PC suitable for Debian

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 12 dec 18, 13:00:32, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Hi Michelle,

> Forgotten one thing:
> 
> It can be also an Open-Frame PanelPC, because I have BIG LiPoly cells
> of 6Ah and 12Ah availlable and can also build my own housing.
> 
> Adv.:I have Serial Ports, more USB, can have an attached heating
>  element... Direct CD/DVD support...
> 
> DisAdv.: Need external USB/Serial GSM/3G Modem and mostly USB-Wifi
>  adapter.  Higher Power consumption, but it does not realy
>  matter, because I have everywhere 24V DC availlable from
>  Solar- and Windenergy...
> 
> So I need generally:
> 
> 1)  2-4 USB ports
> 2)  Serial RS232/485 port
> 3)  Ethernet

Tablets with such a collection of ports are unusual (to say the least).

> 4)  Wifi

This is typically included, otherwise it's not much use.

> 5)  GSM/3G
> 6)  Touchscreen
> 7)  Possibel external keyboard
> 8)  Mouse/Trackball

Chromebooks and Chrome OS tablets could fulfill some of your 
requirements. Installing Debian on the ones with Intel processors should 
be pretty straightforward if you don't mind the IME.

You might also be interested in the upcoming PineTab.
https://www.pine64.org/pinetab

The Allwinner A64 is already reasonably well supported in Debian's 
kernel and more features are (expected to be) mainlined in 5.1 (5.2).

That's assuming you don't want to run the ancient BSP kernel and 
proprietary drivers.

Hope this helps,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Rob van der Putten]

Hi there


On 17/05/2019 09:28, Dominik George wrote:


please do*never*  use GitHub for free software


Please explain, in detail, why.


If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, here's 
why:

https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html


An overview;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_source_code_hosting_facilities


https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/

https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm



Regards,
Rob

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Dominik George]

>Yes, it does.  Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial
>patent
>exhaustion effect.   If software with patented algorithms is
>distributed by the
>patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is
>exhausted.
>https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/patent_exhaustion/

Yeah, ok, no idea. Such a stupid thing as software patents does not exist where 
I live.

-nik

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Alessandro Vesely]

On Fri 17/May/2019 17:52:02 +0200 rhkramer wrote:

> On Friday, May 17, 2019 03:28:51 AM Dominik George wrote:
>> >> please do*never*  use GitHub for free software
>> >
>> >Please explain, in detail, why.
>> 
>> If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you,
>> here's why:
>> 
>> https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html
>> 
>> https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/
>> 
>> https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm


TLDR;  Don't *depend* on GitHub (bite-and-run usage doesn't seem to hurt).


> I might try to read these later, but don't have time at the moment, but I do 
> have a question:
> 
> Does putting software on GitHub give them any kind of claim on the 
> intellectual property of the software?


Yes, it does.  Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial patent
exhaustion effect.   If software with patented algorithms is distributed by the
patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is exhausted.
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/patent_exhaustion/


Best
Ale

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Dominik George]

Hi,

>Why do these restrictions exist?  The reason most social media services
>use an
>age limit of 13 or over is in part because of a law in the USA. The
>COPPA law
>or Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act states that any
>organisations or
>people operating online services (including social media services) are
>not
>allowed to collect the personal information of anyone under the age of
>13
> without parental permission.

Thanks for the explanations, although all of them are known.

You (and others elaborating on unrelated legal explanations) might have missed 
that I spent weeks of discussion with GitHub's legal department on that, and 
they explicitly stated the one reason why they have to adhere to COPPA (see 
previous mail).

-nik

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Curt]

On 2019-05-18, Richard Hector  wrote:
>
> I'm not going to read them again, but IIRC one of them referred to the
> GitHub ToC, which contained a bit about restricting accounts to those
> over 13 years of age, and claiming this was due to US law (but not
> specifying which law).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

 The primary goal of COPPA is to place parents in control over what information
 is collected from their young children online.  The Rule was designed to
 protect children under age 13 while accounting for the dynamic nature of the
 Internet.  The Rule applies to operators of commercial websites and online
 services (including mobile apps) directed to children under 13 that collect,
 use, or disclose personal information from children, and operators of general
 audience websites or online services with actual knowledge that they are
 collecting, using, or disclosing personal information from children under 13.
 The Rule also applies to websites or online services that have actual knowledge
 that they are collecting personal information directly from users of another
 website or online service directed to children. 

https://www.childnet.com/blog/age-restrictions-on-social-media-services

 Nearly all other social media services require users to be at least 13 years of
 age to access and use their services. This includes Facebook, Snapchat,
 Twitter, Instagram, Musical.ly and Skype.

 Whilst there is no age restriction for watching videos on YouTube, users need
 to be 13 or older to have their own YouTube account (enabling them to subscribe
 to other channels, like videos, post comments, share their own content and flag
 inappropriate content).

 Why do these restrictions exist?  The reason most social media services use an
 age limit of 13 or over is in part because of a law in the USA. The COPPA law
 or Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act states that any organisations or
 people operating online services (including social media services) are not
 allowed to collect the personal information of anyone under the age of 13
 without parental permission.


> Richard
>

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Dominik George]

No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub.

Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of care rather 
than being evil.

And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to diversity: 
They mistake diversity for caring for certain groups of people, often women, 
trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of people to 
include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is discrimination rather than 
inclusion. 

-nik

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Cyrille Bollu]

‘Comprend pas: c’est quoi le problème avec ta commande? Elle n’exclut pas le 
1er dossier download, c’est ça?

> Le 18 mai 2019 à 09:18, Jérémy Prego  a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je viens avec une petite question de NOOB sur tar ce matin. J'aimerai
> faire quelque chose qui me parait simple en théorie mais ça me semble
> plus compliqué en pratique.
> 
> en fait, j'aimerai archiver un dossier mais en excluant un sous dossier
> mais seulement dans la racine. je m'explique
> 
> Pour l'exemple, le dossier s'appel toto. Dans toto il y a plein de sous
> dossier dont un qui s'appel download. mais, il y a aussi un sous dossier
> s'appelant archive, et qui contient aussi un dossier download.
> 
> Je précise que quand je fais mon tar, je suis dans ce dossier "toto".
> 
> à force de recherche, j'ai bien trouvé une commande tar qui me
> conviendrait, mais seul souci, l'archive comporte un premier dossier "."
> tar --exclude='./download' -zcpvf test.tar.gz .
> 
> j'ai bien essayé de remplacer le point de la fin par un * et d'adapter
> mon exclude en conséquence, mais j'ai pas réussi a obtenir le résultat
> voulu...
> 
> du coup, j'aimerai mixer les deux. À savoir, avoir directement mes
> dossier a l'ouverture de l'archive, et ne pas avoir le contenu du
> premier dossier download.
> 
> merci pour l'aide,
> 
> Jerem
> 

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Felix Miata]

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 03:46 (UTC-0400):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Does /var/log/journal/ exist?

> no, should it?

It's the home of the optional persistent systemd journal. The option is 
configured
simply by its presence or not. I resisted it for several years, but no more 
since
over a year ago.

>> If it does, try:  

>>  journalctl | grep hid-common

> which says I should sudo it, and when I do, grep only finds itself in 3 
> stanza's with wrong syntax on the 2nd invocation:
> COMMAND=/bin/grep -Rhid-common

"If it exists". Dunno what's expected when it doesn't exist.

You seem to have picked up youngster's misusage of English. "3 stanzas" do not
possess "with wrong syntax". :-D
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Jérémy Prego]

Le 18/05/2019 à 10:05, Cyrille Bollu a écrit :
> ‘Comprend pas: c’est quoi le problème avec ta commande? Elle n’exclut pas le 
> 1er dossier download, c’est ça?

le souci avec ma commande, c'est qu'à la création de l'archive, ça crée
un premier dossier "." donc je dois ouvrir ce dossier pour voir mes
fichiers.
>
>> Le 18 mai 2019 à 09:18, Jérémy Prego  a écrit :
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Je viens avec une petite question de NOOB sur tar ce matin. J'aimerai
>> faire quelque chose qui me parait simple en théorie mais ça me semble
>> plus compliqué en pratique.
>>
>> en fait, j'aimerai archiver un dossier mais en excluant un sous dossier
>> mais seulement dans la racine. je m'explique
>>
>> Pour l'exemple, le dossier s'appel toto. Dans toto il y a plein de sous
>> dossier dont un qui s'appel download. mais, il y a aussi un sous dossier
>> s'appelant archive, et qui contient aussi un dossier download.
>>
>> Je précise que quand je fais mon tar, je suis dans ce dossier "toto".
>>
>> à force de recherche, j'ai bien trouvé une commande tar qui me
>> conviendrait, mais seul souci, l'archive comporte un premier dossier "."
>> tar --exclude='./download' -zcpvf test.tar.gz .
>>
>> j'ai bien essayé de remplacer le point de la fin par un * et d'adapter
>> mon exclude en conséquence, mais j'ai pas réussi a obtenir le résultat
>> voulu...
>>
>> du coup, j'aimerai mixer les deux. À savoir, avoir directement mes
>> dossier a l'ouverture de l'archive, et ne pas avoir le contenu du
>> premier dossier download.
>>
>> merci pour l'aide,
>>
>> Jerem
>>

Re: HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Jérémy Prego  writes:
> tar --exclude='./download' -zcpvf test.tar.gz .
>
> j'ai bien essayé de remplacer le point de la fin par un * et d'adapter
> mon exclude en conséquence, mais j'ai pas réussi a obtenir le résultat
> voulu...
>
> du coup, j'aimerai mixer les deux. À savoir, avoir directement mes
> dossier a l'ouverture de l'archive, et ne pas avoir le contenu du
> premier dossier download.

Et si tu fais :
tar --exclude='./download' -zcpvf test.tar.gz $(ls)

Pas testé, juste une suggestion.
-- 
Raphaël

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 18 May 2019 12:52:40 am Felix Miata wrote:

> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-17 23:16 (UTC-0400):
> > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common
> > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive.
> >
> > So I at least has a clue where the crash is occurring, hid-common.
> >
> > What else can I do to nail this down good enough for a bug report?
> > sudo grep -R hid-common /var/log/*
> > doesn't give a clue.
>
> On what, Stretch?

yes

> Does /var/log/journal/ exist?

no, should it?

> If it does, try:  
>
>   journalctl | grep hid-common
which says I should sudo it, and when I do, grep only finds itself in 3 
stanza's with wrong syntax on the 2nd invocation:
COMMAND=/bin/grep -Rhid-common

I'll see if /etc/journal exists but doesn't
a root@coyote:etc$ grep -R log= * shows:
systemd/journald.conf:#ForwardToSyslog=yes
systemd/journald.conf:#MaxLevelSyslog=debug

So I'd assume anything would be sent to syslog.  And its pretty verbose 
at times.


I did find this in the syslog by scanning backwards in tails output:
May 17 22:46:35 coyote kernel: [5.491350] hid-generic 
0003:050D:0751.0001: unknown main item tag 0x1
May 17 22:46:35 coyote kernel: [5.491899] hid-generic 
0003:050D:0751.0001: unbalanced collection at end of report description
May 17 22:46:35 coyote kernel: [5.491964] hid-generic: probe of 
0003:050D:0751.0001 failed with error -22

But I haven't found 050D:0751 yet. Ahh, it is my Belkin UPS, and nut 
appears to be working correctly?

It appears modemmanager could be removed:
May 17 22:46:43 coyote ModemManager[617]:   Couldn't check support 
for device at '/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:08.0': not supported by 
any plugin
May 17 22:46:43 coyote ModemManager[617]:   Couldn't check support 
for device at '/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0': not supported by 
any plugin

Removed.

And that syslog is being spammed by:

May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370661] INFO: task hpfax:1229 
blocked for more than 120 seconds.
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370669]   Not tainted 
4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370672] "echo 0 
> /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370675] hpfax   D0  
1229  1 0x0004
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370680]  9b547009ec00 
 9b547fce9a00 9b5474a6ba00
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370684]  9b5475a12b80 
b371c1f0bcc8 ab639ba5 00ffb371c1f0bda0
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370687]  9b547fce9a00 
ab0a9b01 9b5474a6ba00 
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370690] Call Trace:
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370698]  [] ? 
__schedule+0x275/0x5d0
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370702]  [] ? 
__raw_spin_unlock+0x11/0x50
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370704]  [] ? 
schedule+0x43/0xd0
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370709]  [] ? 
__rt_mutex_slowlock+0xb8/0x140
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370711]  [] ? 
rt_mutex_slowlock_locked+0xbb/0x220
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370714]  [] ? 
rt_mutex_slowlock+0x75/0xc0
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370718]  [] ? 
pp_ioctl+0x35/0x910 [ppdev]
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370722]  [] ? 
do_vfs_ioctl+0xa2/0x620
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370724]  [] ? 
SyS_ioctl+0x74/0x80
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370728]  [] ? 
do_syscall_64+0x75/0x110
May 17 22:50:03 coyote kernel: [  242.370730]  [] ? 
entry_SYSCALL_64_after_swapgs+0x58/0xc6
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206449] INFO: task hpfax:1229 
blocked for more than 120 seconds.
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206457]   Not tainted 
4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206459] "echo 0 
> /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206462] hpfax   D0  
1229  1 0x0004
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206467]  9b547009ec00 
 9b547fce9a00 9b5474a6ba00
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206471]  9b5475a12b80 
b371c1f0bcc8 ab639ba5 00ffb371c1f0bda0
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206474]  9b547fce9a00 
ab0a9b01 9b5474a6ba00 
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206478] Call Trace:
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206485]  [] ? 
__schedule+0x275/0x5d0
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206489]  [] ? 
__raw_spin_unlock+0x11/0x50
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206491]  [] ? 
schedule+0x43/0xd0
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206495]  [] ? 
__rt_mutex_slowlock+0xb8/0x140
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206497]  [] ? 
rt_mutex_slowlock_locked+0xbb/0x220
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  363.206499]  [] ? 
rt_mutex_slowlock+0x75/0xc0
May 17 22:52:04 coyote kernel: [  

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 01:53:30AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Mark Allums  writes:
> > 
> > > On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote:
> > > > > Please explain, in detail, why.
> > > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html
> > > > https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/
> > > > https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm
> > > 
> > > I'm not convinced,  Give me more.
> > 
> > If the above articles don't convince you, what would convince you that
> > has not already been said?
> > 
> > I'm sure you can appreciate that some people have unreasonable demands
> > for being convinced, and no amount of persuasion is enough. Can you give
> > an example of what reasonable presentation would be needed to convince
> > you on this matter?
> > 
> 
> Well, for a start, a lot of it seemed to be simple anti-Microsoft propaganda.

What's wrong with a anti-M$ propaganda?

Reco

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Mark Allums]

On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote:

Mark Allums  writes:


On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote:

Please explain, in detail, why.

https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html
https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/
https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm


I'm not convinced,  Give me more.


If the above articles don't convince you, what would convince you that
has not already been said?

I'm sure you can appreciate that some people have unreasonable demands
for being convinced, and no amount of persuasion is enough. Can you give
an example of what reasonable presentation would be needed to convince
you on this matter?



Well, for a start, a lot of it seemed to be simple anti-Microsoft 
propaganda.  But The onus is not on me to provide reasons.  I simply 
asked for more info.


Mark

HS: tar exclure un dossier a la racine mais pas sous dossier

[Jérémy Prego]

Bonjour,

Je viens avec une petite question de NOOB sur tar ce matin. J'aimerai
faire quelque chose qui me parait simple en théorie mais ça me semble
plus compliqué en pratique.

en fait, j'aimerai archiver un dossier mais en excluant un sous dossier
mais seulement dans la racine. je m'explique

Pour l'exemple, le dossier s'appel toto. Dans toto il y a plein de sous
dossier dont un qui s'appel download. mais, il y a aussi un sous dossier
s'appelant archive, et qui contient aussi un dossier download.

Je précise que quand je fais mon tar, je suis dans ce dossier "toto".

à force de recherche, j'ai bien trouvé une commande tar qui me
conviendrait, mais seul souci, l'archive comporte un premier dossier "."
tar --exclude='./download' -zcpvf test.tar.gz .

j'ai bien essayé de remplacer le point de la fin par un * et d'adapter
mon exclude en conséquence, mais j'ai pas réussi a obtenir le résultat
voulu...

du coup, j'aimerai mixer les deux. À savoir, avoir directement mes
dossier a l'ouverture de l'archive, et ne pas avoir le contenu du
premier dossier download.

merci pour l'aide,

Jerem

Re: Readme sanity check

[Paul Sutton]

On 18/05/2019 03:33, bw wrote:
> In-Reply-To: <7d98acfd-19b9-ed61-362c-81e714484...@disroot.org>
> 
> ...
>> Would it be possible to someone have a read through...
> 
> I like a good read, never heard of rocksndiamonds though. Could not find 
> the text.  I used ff-esr, chromium with no javascript and links2.  All I 
> get is a very nice page with a lot of disabled controls, and cool 
> tooltips.  Clean links are best, blind links are sucky.
> 
> $ wget --spider 
> https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/rocksndiamondslevels/blob/master/README.md
> Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
> --2019-05-17 22:29:09--  
> https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/rocksndiamondslevels/blob/master/README.md
> Resolving salsa.debian.org (salsa.debian.org)... 209.87.16.44, 
> 2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44
> Connecting to salsa.debian.org (salsa.debian.org)|209.87.16.44|:443... 
> connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> Length: unspecified [text/html]
> Remote file exists and could contain further links,
> but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving.
> 
Good point, not quite sure how to resolve this?

Paul


-- 
Paul Sutton
http://www.zleap.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893  1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D

Re: Debian Releases

[Peter Ehlert]

looking forward to it, thanks

On 5/17/19 1:55 PM, Francisco M Neto wrote:

On Fri, 2019-05-17 at 21:35 +0100, Joe wrote:

Don't forget:

https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

I'm gonna cover that on the next post ;-)

Re: icedtea-plugin desaparegut

[Narcis Garcia]

__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 18/5/19 a les 1:39, Alex Muntada ha escrit:
> Sempre que es trenca la compatibilitat enrera algú en sortirà
> perjudicat, sigui quina sigui la decisió que es prengui. Si
> s'actualitza, una part dels usuaris es veuran afectats, sinó
> una altra part. Fins i tot pot haver-hi gent que vulgui tenir
> les funcionalitats de la nova versió i a més a més, les de la
> vella, fent-ho encara més difícil.

No era tant difícil el no eliminar les versions anteriors dels paquets
en els repositoris, via que pot satisfer tothom. D'aquesta manera, quan
a algú li manquen les Applets, tan sols cal fer:
$ sudo apt install firefox=52

>> Si Firefox 52 era un desastre en seguretat, també ho podrem dir
>> de Firefox 60 quan estiguem per la versió 70.
> 
> La versió 60 és la que actualment Mozilla publica com a ESR. Quan
> Mozilla decideixi canviar-la per una altra, els mantenidors del
> firefox-esr a Debian l'empaquetaran per a stable i la publicaran.
> Per tant, la situació que planteges no es produirà.

Em sembla que la meva afirmació tenia més sentit que la teva resposta.
Potser algú expert en lògica podria analitzar i explicar les frases, per
a cada context possible.

Salut.

Re: Debian Getting started

[Peter Ehlert]

good effort, and a much needed type of promotion

thanks

On 5/17/19 2:04 PM, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi

Following on from Francisco post, I had been thinking about writing
something about getting started for a while.  So decided to just get on
and do it.

http://zleap.net/debian-getting-started/

I am trying to write this from my own view point of being new and
explain how I got started and how others can.  Lot of references to
parts of the Debian Website.

Paul

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

[Richard Hector]

On 18/05/19 5:17 PM, Aidan Gauland wrote:
> On 18/05/19 11:08 AM, Dominik George wrote:
>>> Can you give sources for your claim about their discrimination?  That
>>> one is new to me.
>> I did. Please read my mails in this thread.
> I have, and I just re-read the articles you gave, and I still do not see
> anything about discrimination by age, or against any group of people,
> only the usual issues with hosting free software on/with non-free
> services (which reason enough to avoid GitHub).
> 

I'm not going to read them again, but IIRC one of them referred to the
GitHub ToC, which contained a bit about restricting accounts to those
over 13 years of age, and claiming this was due to US law (but not
specifying which law).

Richard



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature