Re: Messed up Email

[mick crane]

On 2021-06-26 03:31, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 25 June 2021 14:29:31 mick crane wrote:


On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:


> It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> other ISP.

It seems to me they do not honour the "delete" request when collecting
from IMAP because in my case they certainly go from INBOX but are
retained in ALL MAIL.
mick


I've found that switching fetchmail from pop3 access to imap access,
restores that delete function. However that may be server dependent, my
server at shentel.net is dovecot. Very few problems.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


Could you do me a favour and logon to the gmail web interface and see if 
your mails are still in "ALL MAIL", perhaps it is just me ?

mick
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Re: Messed up Email

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 25 June 2021 14:29:31 mick crane wrote:

> On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
> 
>
> > It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> > ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> > other ISP.
>
> It seems to me they do not honour the "delete" request when collecting
> from IMAP because in my case they certainly go from INBOX but are
> retained in ALL MAIL.
> mick

I've found that switching fetchmail from pop3 access to imap access, 
restores that delete function. However that may be server dependent, my 
server at shentel.net is dovecot. Very few problems.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Fatal error while burning CD

[mcgarrett]

> On June 25, 2021 at 5:49 AM Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Michael Lange wrote:
> > If someone here can report about experience (good or bad) with specific
> > make and models (still not sure whether the next drive will be a DVD- or
> > BD-writer), it would be welcome...
> 
> In general i'd buy any brand of full height drives.
> I currently run 3 LGs, 2 ASUS, 1 Samsung, 1 Optiarc, 1 PIONEER.
> 
> It's more a matter of the individual drive than of the manufacturer or
> model. Not so good during the last 5 years were:
> - The flaky new DVD burner which i had to send back was a LITEON
>   iHAS124F. But i know of other iHASen which work well.
> - An LG GH24NSC0 became unreliable after only two years.
>   The LITEON was planned as replacement. In the end the job went to a
>   ASUS DRW-24D5MT.
> (Both did cost about 15 EUR. So any testing at the factory would eat up
> the manufacturer's profit.)
> 
> I always refrained from slim drives. User reports suggest that they are
> a bit less reliable. But your mileage may vary ...
> 
> --
> A little warning about PIONEER BDR-S09 might be appropriate:
> 
> Mine reads BD-RW with such a high (and not adjustable) speed and has such
> a strong grip on the medium, that two newer "Verbatim" BD-RW media
> developed a radial crack from the inner hole towards the writable area.
> With one of the media the crack reached the writable area and made the
> medium unreadable.
> This happened during stress tests after about 10 times of reading. The
> media bear the manufacturer id "CMCMAG/CN2/0". Older Verbatim BD-RW
> (VERBAT/IM0/0) or those from "Intenso", "Primeon" and "Maxcell"
> (all RITEK/BW1/1) did not suffer such a damage in 20 read runs at about
> 10x BD speed.
> The drive itself survived the intensive testing without problems.
> 
> I addressed the PIONEER BDR-S09's unwillingness to read with slower speed
> by special parameters of xorriso command -read_speed, which curb the drive
> speed by simply not taking more data per second than the desired speed
> would deliver. I.e. xorriso waits with new READ(10) commands until enough
> time has eleapsed since the last one. This causes the drive to make less
> noise and to let the "CMCMAG/CN2/0" media survive 20 read runs without
> visible damage:
> 
>   xorriso -for_backup -indev /dev/sr1 \
>   -read_speed soft_force:4xBD \
>   -check_media --
> 
> (The Linux kernel offers no such curb mechanism, i fear.)
> 
> In general i only feed the PIONEER with the RITEKs of which i have enough.
> I now refrain from buying new "Verbatim" BD-RW, although it might be that
> their plastic body became more sturdy meanwhile.
> 
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
>
I've had an LG GP08LU11, ROM version X01 "Super Multi DVD Rewriter" for several 
years,
and while it has not seen heavy use, it has always worked reliably, and now 
with a new
drive-less computer, I've had to use it more frequently. It has been reliable, 
and it
also will burn Lite-Scribe disk info into those disks, which many full-size 
built in
drives won't. Neither will the drive in a Dell laptop. As usual, YMMV.  --doug

Re: Debian stable - updates

[T.J. Duchene]

On Friday, June 25, 2021 7:19:34 AM CDT Christian wrote:
> Hi altogether,
> 
> as I´m a newcomer to Debian and coming from Lubuntu I searched for
> information as far as the release model is concerned.
> 
> I learned that there are three different releases: stable, testing, and
> unstable.
> 
> I know I´m not supposed to post any links here but for the sake of
> reference I´ll still do it this time (sorry).
> I´m referring to the article  "Debian vs Ubuntu" on
> https://linuxconfig.org/debian-vs-ubuntu .
> 
> I quote:
> 
> "Debian's stable release is insanely stable. There are few distributions
> in the same league when it comes to rock solid reliability.
> 
> [...] There is a tradeoff, though. The software in Debian Stable is
> usually fairly outdated.
> In fact, it's usually outdated when the distribution first ships. Now,
> that's not much of a problem for servers, but it's awful for desktops. "
> 
> Despite reading through the entire article I couldn´t really understand
> why the author refers to Debian stable as being "awful" for desktops.
> 
> So I have a question in order to be clear about the matter.
> 
> Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security
> updates for the installed packages?
> 
> I don´t really care about updates which would introduce new features of
> programmes. All I´m concerned about is getting security updates so that
> I can use Debian stable as my daily driver.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Many greetings
> Rosika

Hi, Rosika!  Welcome to the community.  I hope you will enjoy your time here.

Yes, Debian Stable is very stable.  It is not perfect, but then no OS is.  The 
best endorsement that I can give any Linux distribution is that it is stable 
and well maintained.  Debian is certainly that.

Debian Stable gets regular updates from the Debian Security Team, a group that 
does not nearly get the credit it deserves.  You can use Debian Stable with a 
reasonable assurance that you will receive patches as needed.


If you need newer versions of software for some reason or another, you can 
always use Debian Backports.  You can also use Snap, Flatpak, and AppImage 
archives. Please be aware that Debian does not patch third party packaging. So 
use them at your own risk.  If you have skills as a coder, you can create your 
own packages from any of the Debian source trees.


So the arguments against Debian being outdated are pretty much moot and 
misinformed, in my opinion.

Take care, and once again, welcome!
T.J.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 03:18:06PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hi Tomas,
> 
> thank you so much for your reply.
> 
> > Thing is: "stable" means [...]  Only bug fixes and security patches go in.
> 
> Great! That is the most important aspect for me.
> I really don't need the latest-and-greatest version of packages. All I do
> need is a stable and secure system.
> So Debian stable turns out to be ideally suited for my purposes.
> 
> I've installed it in a VM for now (qemu, KVM) to see how it performs. I must
> say I'm very impressed. It runs smoothly even with just 1 GB RAM allocated
> to it.
> I'm sure it'll make a fine system as a production system.
> 
> Thanks again and keep safe.
> 
> Many greetings.
> Rosika
> 

Do reference the codename for the release: that way, you don't get a nasty
surprise. If your system says "stable" today, that's Debian 10.10. When 
Debian 11 comes along - soon now - you get a huge update all at once, and
things are likely to be unpredictable if you are a new Debian user.

If you say buster, then when buster slides to become oldstable, your
system won't change underneath you suddenly.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C

> 

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 03:06:57PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hi Doc Evans,
> 
> thanks a lot for your reply.
> 
> That´s great news indeed.
> The fact that Debian stable is rock solid is a great asset in itself. So
> together with security updates it will surely make for a fine production
> system especially for older
> computers like my Lenovo H520e desktop.
> 
> Thank you for clarifying the matter for me.
> 
> Many greetings and keep safe.
> Rosika
> 
> 
> 
Debian stable is tested over a couple of years before release and gets 
security support. It's not the latest and greatest, major changes every six
months, supported for nine months.

_Today_ - 25th June 2021 - because we're anticipating a stable release in ~6 
weeks - I might suggest installing that release when it comes out. If you don't 
and install
Debian 10.10 - Buster - today, then Debian 11 [Bullseye] will come along at 
the end of July if the release goes to plan.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief.
> It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
> 
> That paragraph states:
> > When packages are installed using the package management system, it will
> > by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages.
> > Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality > 
> > of the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should,
> > in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with
> > that software.
> 
> I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
> stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
> system.
> 
> I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and
> likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled
> "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop
> environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended
> utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the
> effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first
> line and select MATE, I get my desired system.
> 

Everything you need is already in the Debian installer: use an expert 
instaLL and text mode to install it. Do not select Debian desktop environment: 
select only Mate - job done. Use what's already there: you may hve noted that 
I often give the advice on -user for a minimal install to start out with a 
text mode expert install and sort out _exactly_ what you want.

Start with a text mode only - command line environment - then add 
mate-desktop-environment. Optionally, you can configure apt to ignore 
recommends.

> Does such an installer already exist?
> TIA
> 
> [1]  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.en.html
> [2]  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html
> 
> 

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Leonardo S. S. da Rocha]

Oi Samuca, boa noite. Pois é cara, o meu notebook já tem o Secure Boot
desativado. Vou pesquisar sobre esse lance de usar a keyring na BIOS
no debian mas tenho a impressão de que por ser o testing, isso pode
retornar ao estado anterior com atualizações (digo para o caso de ser
feita alguma alteração na mão).

Valeu pela dica!

Em sex., 25 de jun. de 2021 às 16:14, Samuel Henrique
 escreveu:
>
> Olá Leonardo,
>
> > Encontrei também um fórum do Mint falando do problema, mas a solução
> > encontrada lá é a desativação do secure boot. Está aqui o forum:
> >
> > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=338587
> >
> > Alguém sabe dizer porque diacho o monitor que está conectado ao
> > displayLink não funciona?
>
> Eu não sei responder quanto a esse problema em específico, mas você
> tentou desativar o secure boot para ver se funciona?
>
> Eu sei que o Debian tem uma limitação quanto a secure boot em que não
> permite que o Linux carregue módulos do kernel non-free e de fora dos
> repos oficiais. Geralmente os drivers são módulos do kernel então o
> seu não será carregado durante o boot devido ao secure boot.
>
> O Ubuntu corrige isso ao injetar uma chave custom no keyring da BIOS e
> usando essa chave para assinar os módulos, você pode fazer isso de
> forma manual no Debian, dentre outras alternativas, mas em muitos
> casos a pessoa pode preferir apenas desativar o secure boot.
>
> Se você quer verificar se o secure boot está lhe afetando, pode
> verificar se o módulo do kernel do seu driver foi carregado, com o
> lsmod.
>
> Abraço,
>
>
> --
> Samuel Henrique 

Re: Debian stable - updates

[tomas]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:44:51PM +0200, Francesco Florian wrote:
> On Fr, 25 Jun 2021, Christian wrote:
> 
> > I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this:
> > 1     #
> > 2
> > 3     # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64
> > xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main
> > 4
> > 5     #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64
> > xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main
> > 6
> > 7     deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> > 8     deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> > 9
> > 10   deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> > 11   deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> > 12
> > 13   # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> > 14   deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> > 15   deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> > 16
> > 17   # This system was installed using small removable media
> > 18   # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
> > 19   # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
> > 20  # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
> > 21  # see the sources.list(5) manual.
> 
> You may want to change all instances of 'buster' to 'stable' [...]

This isn't generally recommended: an upgrade may bring about bigger
changes that you don't want to "just happen" without being prepared.

But hey, it's possible :-)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: grub2 boot menu

[didier gaumet]

Le vendredi 25 juin 2021 à 11:40 -0400, Cindy Sue Causey a écrit :
> On 6/24/21, didier gaumet  wrote:
> 
[...]
> > 'GRUB_OS_PROBER_SKIP_LIST'
> >     List of space-separated FS UUIDs of filesystems to be ignored
> > from
> >  os-prober output.  For efi chainloaders it's @"
[...]
> it would surely help if someone could point GRUB
> Users to what that "" is referencing.
[...]

My laptop (with an EFI firmware) has a dual boot with Debian Bullseye
and Windows 10. In this Windows 10 case, it is an EFI chainloading
(that would not be the case (chainloading) with another OS without its
self bootloader installed and properly configured)

My /boot/grub.grub.cfg contains:
"[...]
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
menuentry 'Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/nvme0n1p3)' --class windows --
class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-efi-FAF2-88F6' {
insmod part_gpt
insmod fat
if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root  FAF2-88F6
else
  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root FAF2-88F6
fi
chainloader /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
}
### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[...]"

I edit /etc/default/grub to add this line:
GRUB_OS_PROBER_SKIP_LIST='FAF2-88F6@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi'

then I update the config:
didier@hp-notebook14:~$ sudo update-grub
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-7-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-7-amd64
Skipped Windows Boot Manager on
/dev/nvme0n1p3@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi by user request.
Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
done

So the Windows 10 entry has been skipped

It is confirmed by inspecting /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
"[...]
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[...]"

Cheers :-)

Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Samuel Henrique]

Olá Leonardo,

> Encontrei também um fórum do Mint falando do problema, mas a solução
> encontrada lá é a desativação do secure boot. Está aqui o forum:
>
> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=338587
>
> Alguém sabe dizer porque diacho o monitor que está conectado ao
> displayLink não funciona?

Eu não sei responder quanto a esse problema em específico, mas você
tentou desativar o secure boot para ver se funciona?

Eu sei que o Debian tem uma limitação quanto a secure boot em que não
permite que o Linux carregue módulos do kernel non-free e de fora dos
repos oficiais. Geralmente os drivers são módulos do kernel então o
seu não será carregado durante o boot devido ao secure boot.

O Ubuntu corrige isso ao injetar uma chave custom no keyring da BIOS e
usando essa chave para assinar os módulos, você pode fazer isso de
forma manual no Debian, dentre outras alternativas, mas em muitos
casos a pessoa pode preferir apenas desativar o secure boot.

Se você quer verificar se o secure boot está lhe afetando, pode
verificar se o módulo do kernel do seu driver foi carregado, com o
lsmod.

Abraço,


--
Samuel Henrique 

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:44:51PM +0200, Francesco Florian wrote:
> You may want to change all instances of 'buster' to 'stable', so that you 
> don't have to bother changing it whenever new version of debian is released 
> as stable.


STRONG disagree!

You don't want that, because it means that at some point in the near
future, you'll get a shocking surprise as your system half-updates
itself, and probably pukes partway through.

A release upgrade should be planned and executed according to the release
notes, by hand.  Never by automated tools, and never at a time outside
of your direct control.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Francesco Florian]

On Fr, 25 Jun 2021, Christian wrote:

> I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this:
> 1     #
> 2
> 3     # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64
> xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main
> 4
> 5     #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64
> xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main
> 6
> 7     deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 8     deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 9
> 10   deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> 11   deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> 12
> 13   # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> 14   deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> 15   deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
> 16
> 17   # This system was installed using small removable media
> 18   # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
> 19   # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
> 20  # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
> 21  # see the sources.list(5) manual.

You may want to change all instances of 'buster' to 'stable', so that you don't 
have to bother changing it whenever new version of debian is released as stable.
This is, if you really want to track 'stable', i.e., automatically switch to 
the new stable release when it becomes such.
Just my 2c.
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Re: Messed up Email

[Celejar]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:04:57 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 18:41:56 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:03:28 +0100
> > Brian  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > > > Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal 
> > > > > > > in that 
> > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why?  Not blurry at all.  Signal is just as closed a system as
> > > > > > WhatsApp.  Maybe more private, but unless you know something I 
> > > > > > don't,
> > > > > > Signal doesn't talk to anything other than other Signal.  Puppeted
> > > > > > bridges are not interoperability, as far as I am aware, all users
> > > > > > still need to be on Signal.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You seem to be using a completely different meaning of 'proprietary' 
> > > > > (no 
> > > > > federation) than I do (closed source software, proprietary protocol 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > must be reversed engineered, patents, etc.).
> > > > 
> > > > Well, Michael's original post that you challenged contrasted:
> > > > 
> > > > > a standards based system such as mail or the web and a proprietary
> > > > > system such as facebook, WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Would you call Signal "a standards based system?" I understand that the
> > > > software itself is open source, and the project does publish various
> > > > "Signal Protocal" libraries, but I'm not sure that's quite enough to
> > > > call it "standards based."
> > > 
> > > Michael was desperately trying to sustain his argument that
> > > 
> > > >  email is NOT gmail and let's not forget this.
> > > 
>  > Gmail is standards-based. I expext Signal is too; otherwise it would not
> > 
> > Is there a published, readily available, complete description of Gmail's
> > behavior?
> 
> It's described in the same document dealing also with Yahoo, gmx and
> Zoho :). I expect they have read and taken notice of the RFCs.
>  
> > > work.
> > 
> > ? Are you asserting that any software that works is necessarily
> > standards-based? If so, you must have a very different definition of
> > standards-based from mine.
> 
> I wouldn't want to generalise to that extent. However, your mail made
> it to LDO and was then delivered to me. Gmail must be doing something
> right and standards-based.
> 
> > > standrds-bsaed != free.

No one's denying that Gmail *mostly* follows email standards; the
criticism is that they sometimes deviate from these standards, in
undocumented and often frustrating ways. This may not affect your
use case; that does not mean that it isn't frustrating to others.

> > That's true, of course.
> 
> It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> other ISP.

Yes, I access Gmail almost exclusively via POP3 and IMAP. And the
clients I use have special workarounds and warnings for Gmail:

https://getmail6.org/faq.html#faq-notabug-gmail-bug
https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/06/how-to-setup-sylpheed-for-gmail-imap-client.html

Celejar

Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

25 jun 2021 15:08 −3, Leonardo S. S. da Rocha:
> Ele tem uma saída HDMI. Esse DisplayLink da Dell me permite conectar
> uma porta VGA nele e ele no notebook através de uma porta USB 2.0.

Só para ver se entendi, ¿é um cabo da Dell que sai duma USB do
computador e conecta numa porta VGA do monitor?


> Se eu fizer isso no windows 10, funciona perfeitamente, agora se
> eu conecto um monitor via VGA no DisplayLink no debian, não
> funciona.

Ou seja, não é um mero cabo ou conversor, depende dum componente
proprietário da Dell… :-( …e aí a Dell teria de dar suporte, e ela
não suporta Debian… teria de depurar, nem sei por onde começar.


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Re: Messed up Email

[mick crane]

On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:


It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
other ISP.


It seems to me they do not honour the "delete" request when collecting 
from IMAP because in my case they certainly go from INBOX but are 
retained in ALL MAIL.

mick

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Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Yuri Musachio]

Boa tarde pessoal!

Leonardo, então so pra confirmar... Existe uma Dock/HUB que faz uma divisão das 
portas existentes no seu Dell. E através dessa Dock/HUB que está conectada via 
USB, você quer conectar um ou mais monitores pois essa Dock possui saída de 
vídeo. Correto?
Coisa que tem que observar é se essa Dock possui drive pra Debian/Linux. Outra 
coisa, ontem procurando sobre isso eu entrei uma EMPRESA chamada DisplayLink 
que faz equipamentos da mesma categoria que essa Dock (não sei se são as mesmas 
empresas), e essa empresa possui um drive/firmware pra funcionar com GNU/Linux.

Link do site da empresa: https://www.displaylink.com/downloads 
(https://link.getmailspring.com/link/56e62e02-3803-477e-8c6a-3b8d9f95a...@getmailspring.com/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.displaylink.com%2Fdownloads=ZGViaWFuLXVzZXItcG9ydHVndWVzZUBsaXN0cy5kZWJpYW4ub3Jn)
Link do drive no rep Debian: https://packages.debian.org/buster/evdi-dkms 
(https://link.getmailspring.com/link/56e62e02-3803-477e-8c6a-3b8d9f95a...@getmailspring.com/1?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fpackages.debian.org%2Fbuster%2Fevdi-dkms=ZGViaWFuLXVzZXItcG9ydHVndWVzZUBsaXN0cy5kZWJpYW4ub3Jn)
É sempre interessante informar o máximo de coisas possíveis porque fiquei na 
dúvida se essa empresa era a mesma do Dock, site e do drive... Porque se forem 
diferentes, então talvez nada funcione. Mas se forem, talvez essas coisas podem 
te ajudar.

Best,
On Jun 25 2021, at 3:08 pm, Leonardo S. S. da Rocha  
wrote:
> Fala Leandro, boa tarde!
>
> mencionei os testes físicos que fiz para descartar problemas físicos
> na peça. É um notebook Dell Inspiron 14 7000 e mais dois monitores.
> Ele tem uma saída HDMI. Esse DisplayLink da Dell me permite conectar
> uma porta VGA nele e ele no notebook através de uma porta USB 2.0. Se
> eu fizer isso no windows 10, funciona perfeitamente, agora se eu
> conecto um monitor via VGA no DisplayLink no debian, não funciona.
>
> Em sex., 25 de jun. de 2021 às 15:05, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete
> DUTRA  escreveu:
> >
> > Le jeudi 24 juin 2021 à 19:58 -0300, Leonardo S. S. da Rocha a écrit :
> > >
> > > eu to tentando configurar dois monitores com o meu notebook Inspiron
> > > 14 7000.
> >
> > Seria um o que faz parte do computador portátil, ou dois além o do
> > próprio computador?
> >
> >
> > > Ele tá com Debian testing e instalei o driver do displaylink
> > > da Dell que eu tenho. Encontrei aqui:
> > > https://www.displaylink.com/downloads/file?d=68
> >
> > Qual a necessidade disso? O Debian já devia trabalhar normalmente
> > com mais de um monitor.
> >
> >
> > > Alguém sabe dizer porque diacho o monitor que está conectado ao
> > > displayLink não funciona?
> >
> > Normalmente o uso de componentes problemáticos acrescenta um ponto
> > de falha. Se der para usar os componentes do Debian, melhor.
> >
> >
> > > Nota: Ele já foi testado e se conecto ela pelo HDMI, funciona
> > > perfeitamente.
> >
> > Não entendi, qual a diferença?
> >
> >
> > --
> > /¯\
> > \ / +55 (61) 3546 7191 xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
> > X  +55 (61) 99302 2691
> > / \ BRAZIL GMT−3 https://useplaintext.email/#why-plaintext
> >
> >
>

Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Leonardo S. S. da Rocha]

Fala Leandro, boa tarde!

mencionei os testes físicos que fiz para descartar problemas físicos
na peça. É um notebook Dell Inspiron 14 7000 e mais dois monitores.
Ele tem uma saída HDMI. Esse DisplayLink da Dell me permite conectar
uma porta VGA nele e ele no notebook através de uma porta USB 2.0. Se
eu fizer isso no windows 10, funciona perfeitamente, agora se eu
conecto um monitor via VGA no DisplayLink no debian, não funciona.

Em sex., 25 de jun. de 2021 às 15:05, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete
DUTRA  escreveu:
>
> Le jeudi 24 juin 2021 à 19:58 -0300, Leonardo S. S. da Rocha a écrit :
> >
> > eu to tentando configurar dois monitores com o meu notebook Inspiron
> > 14 7000.
>
> Seria um o que faz parte do computador portátil, ou dois além o do
> próprio computador?
>
>
> > Ele tá com Debian testing e instalei o driver do displaylink
> > da Dell que eu tenho. Encontrei aqui:
> > https://www.displaylink.com/downloads/file?d=68
>
> Qual a necessidade disso?  O Debian já devia trabalhar normalmente
> com mais de um monitor.
>
>
> > Alguém sabe dizer porque diacho o monitor que está conectado ao
> > displayLink não funciona?
>
> Normalmente o uso de componentes problemáticos acrescenta um ponto
> de falha.  Se der para usar os componentes do Debian, melhor.
>
>
> > Nota: Ele já foi testado e se conecto ela pelo HDMI, funciona
> > perfeitamente.
>
> Não entendi, qual a diferença?
>
>
> --
> /¯\
> \ / +55 (61) 3546 7191xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
>  X  +55 (61) 99302 2691
> / \ BRAZIL GMT−3 https://useplaintext.email/#why-plaintext
>
>

Re: 2 monitores + notebook

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le jeudi 24 juin 2021 à 19:58 -0300, Leonardo S. S. da Rocha a écrit :
> 
> eu to tentando configurar dois monitores com o meu notebook Inspiron
> 14 7000.

Seria um o que faz parte do computador portátil, ou dois além o do
próprio computador?


> Ele tá com Debian testing e instalei o driver do displaylink
> da Dell que eu tenho. Encontrei aqui:
> https://www.displaylink.com/downloads/file?d=68

Qual a necessidade disso?  O Debian já devia trabalhar normalmente
com mais de um monitor.


> Alguém sabe dizer porque diacho o monitor que está conectado ao
> displayLink não funciona?

Normalmente o uso de componentes problemáticos acrescenta um ponto
de falha.  Se der para usar os componentes do Debian, melhor.


> Nota: Ele já foi testado e se conecto ela pelo HDMI, funciona
> perfeitamente.

Não entendi, qual a diferença?


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Re: Messed up Email

[Brian]

On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 18:41:56 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:03:28 +0100
> Brian  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > > Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in 
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why?  Not blurry at all.  Signal is just as closed a system as
> > > > > WhatsApp.  Maybe more private, but unless you know something I don't,
> > > > > Signal doesn't talk to anything other than other Signal.  Puppeted
> > > > > bridges are not interoperability, as far as I am aware, all users
> > > > > still need to be on Signal.
> > > > 
> > > > You seem to be using a completely different meaning of 'proprietary' 
> > > > (no 
> > > > federation) than I do (closed source software, proprietary protocol 
> > > > that 
> > > > must be reversed engineered, patents, etc.).
> > > 
> > > Well, Michael's original post that you challenged contrasted:
> > > 
> > > > a standards based system such as mail or the web and a proprietary
> > > > system such as facebook, WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc etc.
> > > 
> > > Would you call Signal "a standards based system?" I understand that the
> > > software itself is open source, and the project does publish various
> > > "Signal Protocal" libraries, but I'm not sure that's quite enough to
> > > call it "standards based."
> > 
> > Michael was desperately trying to sustain his argument that
> > 
> > >  email is NOT gmail and let's not forget this.
> > 
 > Gmail is standards-based. I expext Signal is too; otherwise it would not
> 
> Is there a published, readily available, complete description of Gmail's
> behavior?

It's described in the same document dealing also with Yahoo, gmx and
Zoho :). I expect they have read and taken notice of the RFCs.
 
> > work.
> 
> ? Are you asserting that any software that works is necessarily
> standards-based? If so, you must have a very different definition of
> standards-based from mine.

I wouldn't want to generalise to that extent. However, your mail made
it to LDO and was then delivered to me. Gmail must be doing something
right and standards-based.

> > standrds-bsaed != free.
> 
> That's true, of course.

It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
other ISP.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi Greg,

thank you very much for your help. It's highly appreciated.

It's so good to have have some confirmation by such knowledgeable people 
like you.


So for now I think I won't have to change anything as I'm currently 
running Debian stable in a virtual machine.
Yet when setting it  up as a daily driver (as a main system) I'd 
consider applying the changes especially in view of microcode.


I'm really glad to have learnt something new (to me at least) again.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Many greetings and keep safe.
Rosika

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 06:11:17PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> I see. So in case I want it I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" in line
> 7 first.
> 
> Perhaps I'm a bit slow to understand, but what about lines 8, 11, 14 and 15
> then? All these also contain just "main". Would they have to be altered as
> well?

You probably want them all to be the same, yes.  It would be a highly
unusual case where you'd want contrib or non-free only in *one* of
your three repositories, or only in binary packages and not source
packages, or vice versa.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi Greg,

thank you so much for your very quick reply.

> It's not necessary at this time.

Good to know.

I see. So in case I want it I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" in 
line 7 first.


Perhaps I'm a bit slow to understand, but what about lines 8, 11, 14 and 
15 then? All these also contain just "main". Would they have to be 
altered as well?


Thanks a lot.
Rosika

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 05:55:18PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> On https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure under "Keeping your
> Debian system secure" it says:
> 
> "You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This requires a
> line such as deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates
> main contrib non-free
> in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Then execute apt-get update && apt-get
> upgrade"
> 
> I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this:
> [...]
> 7     deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 8     deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
> 9
> 10   deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> 11   deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main

> From the advice given at the debian page (see above) I gather I have to
> change the contents of line 10, right?

It's not necessary at this time.

> As there's just "main" in it right
> now I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" I think.

You only need to add contrib and non-free to the security line if you've
also added it to the primary repository line (line 7 in your file).

You're only using "main" right now, so you only need security updates
for main.

If at any time in the future you add contrib and/or non-free to your
primary repository (e.g. to install firmware or microcode), then you'll
want to add it to the security repository as well, so that you pick up
the security patches for those.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi again,

so sorry to bother you kind people once more. It turns out I've got an 
additional question regarding  updates.


On https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure under "Keeping your 
Debian system secure" it says:


"You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This 
requires a line such as deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security 
buster/updates main contrib non-free
in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Then execute apt-get update && 
apt-get upgrade"


I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this:

1     #
2
3     # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 
xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main

4
5     #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 
xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main

6
7     deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
8     deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
9
10   deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
11   deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
12
13   # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
14   deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
15   deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main
16
17   # This system was installed using small removable media
18   # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
19   # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
20  # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
21  # see the sources.list(5) manual.

From the advice given at the debian page (see above) I gather I have to 
change the contents of line 10, right? As there's just "main" in it 
right now I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" I think.

But what about line 11? Would I have to do the same there as well?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.
Many greetings.
Rosika

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Camaleón]

El 2021-06-25 a las 11:34 -0300, Marcelo Giordano escribió:

> Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
> ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
> 
> Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
> sistema no hace nada.
> 
> La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
> corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
> 
> Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
> 
> No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian

¿La imagen es de 32 o 64 bits?
¿Funciona la versión LiveCD?

Algunas ideas:

1. Prueba a seleccionar el instalador en modo texto para ver qué pasa.

2. Cambia el medio: si estás instalando desde llave USB, prueba con un 
medio óptico (o viceversa).

3. Cambia la imagen ISO, prueba con una instalación mínima (mini ISO).

4. Trabaja siempre con las versiones oficiales de Debian.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

Re: Debian 11 RC, system.map is missing

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-06-25 at 11:10, Жора Волков wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> System.map-5.10.0-7-amd64 file has the following content:
> 
>>>  B The real System.map is in the
> linux-image--dbg package
> 
> My question is - whether this change is permanent and will be in the
> final release as well, or it's a temporary thing?

I see no reason to expect that it would be temporary.

The change apparently happened in version 5.8.3-1~exp1.
/usr/share/doc/linux-image--5.10.0-7-amd64/changelog.gz contains the
following entry under that version:

  * Move System.map into debug package and replace with pointer.

> If the former, then what's the reasoning behind that change?

Well, what is System.map used for?

My understanding is that it's primarily useful when trying to debug the
kernel.

As such, it only really makes sense to have it present (and taking up
space) when that's what you're trying to do - at which point you'll also
presumably want to have the other files that are present in the
debugging-symbols package for the Linux kernel version in question.

If that doesn't address your question, can you please clarify what
you're wanting to know and why? E.g., knowing what your expectations are
here might be helpful.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: grub2 boot menu

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/24/21, didier gaumet  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Grub can ignore all or only certain OSes that os-prober detects by
> setting up the desired behaviour in /etc/default/grub
>
> from the grub info page:
> [...]"
> 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
>  Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external 'os-prober'
>  program, if installed, to discover other operating systems
>  installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu entries
>  for them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.
>
> 'GRUB_OS_PROBER_SKIP_LIST'
>  List of space-separated FS UUIDs of filesystems to be ignored from
>  os-prober output.  For efi chainloaders it's @
> "[...]


This is basically just noise, but, ooohhh, that sounds NICE and
HANDY. I'm wondering how many other tricks like that exist that never
see the light of day. In a perfect World, maybe someone with deep
knowledge of those features could approach Debian-Publicity about
submitting e.g. "Hey, Did You Know You Can" tips that are included
in their newsletters and updates?

Speaking as someone with cognitive issues such that I operate as a
perennial newbie, it would surely help if someone could point GRUB
Users to what that "" is referencing.

For now, it just sounds like part of the fancier loading needs that
are occasionally discussed here on Debian-User. My thought process is
that maybe hearing it further described will trigger a fellow lurker's
interest in learning more about how their Debian works right from the
boot beginning.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Debian 11 RC, system.map is missing

[Жора Волков]

Hello everyone,

System.map-5.10.0-7-amd64 file has the following content:

>>  B The real System.map is in the
linux-image--dbg package

My question is - whether this change is permanent and will be in the final
release as well, or it's a temporary thing?

If the former, then what's the reasoning behind that change?

Thanks!

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Marcelo Giordano]

Juan Luis, gracias por responder. En realidad quería probar en live
distintos escritorios para ver como se desemvolvía. Capaz que instalo y
pruebo tu solución.
Probaré la versión estable?
Gracias.

Germán gracias por responder.
Estoy usando live de testing bullseye.
Probaré la versión estable?

El vie, 25 jun 2021 a las 12:14, Germán Avendaño Ramírez (<
man...@autistici.org>) escribió:

> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:34:48AM -0300, Marcelo Giordano wrote:
> > Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
> > ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
> >
> > Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
> > sistema no hace nada.
> >
> > La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
> > corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
> >
> > Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
> >
> > No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian
> >
> > Saludos compañeros
>
> Antes de instalar kernel de ubuntu, intentaría usar una imagen de debian
> 11 (testing)
>
> Atentamente,
>
> --
> Mancho
>
>

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Germán Avendaño Ramírez]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:34:48AM -0300, Marcelo Giordano wrote:
> Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
> ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
> 
> Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
> sistema no hace nada.
> 
> La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
> corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
> 
> Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
> 
> No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian
> 
> Saludos compañeros

Antes de instalar kernel de ubuntu, intentaría usar una imagen de debian 
11 (testing)

Atentamente,

-- 
Mancho

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Juan Luís]

Entras a https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.12.13/ y te
bajas los deb del linux-image correspondiente a la arquitectura que tengas,
supongo 64bits, serán los archivos linux-hearders*_amd64,
linux-headers*_all, linux-image*_amd64 y linux-modules*_amd64.
 Los copias a un pendrive y arrancas linux en modo recovery ( en el grub
está esa opción), entras com root, montas el pendrive e instalas esos .deb
con un dpkg -i, reinicias y ya debería funcionar.

Otra solución es quedarte en la estable.

Recibe un cordial saludo,
Juan Luís

El vie., 25 jun. 2021 16:43, Marcelo Giordano 
escribió:

> Gracias por responder.
> No entiendo mucho tu solución. TE bajas el último kernel de ubuntu y donde
> lo pones? y como haces para poner en blacklist el modulo evbug? Estoy
> bastante desorientado.
> Gracias amigo
>
> El vie, 25 jun 2021 a las 11:39, Juan Luís (<
> juanluisgomezjime...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> A mí me pasó lo mismo en un hp de esos compactos y una gráfica integrada
>> intel 915.
>>  Me bajé el último kernel del ppa de ubuntu y se solucionó. Tambien hay
>> que poner en blacklist el módulo evbug. Supongo que habrá otra forma "más
>> elegante", pero lo solucioné así.
>>
>> Recibe un cordial saludo,
>> Juan Luís
>>
>> El vie., 25 jun. 2021 16:35, Marcelo Giordano 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
>>> ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
>>>
>>> Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2
>>> el sistema no hace nada.
>>>
>>> La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
>>> corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
>>>
>>> Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
>>>
>>> No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian
>>>
>>> Saludos compañeros
>>>
>>

Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Richard Owlett]

No need for CC: as I'm subscribed to debian-user

On 06/25/2021 08:53 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
system.

I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and
likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled
"Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop
environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended
utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the
effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first
line and select MATE, I get my desired system.

Does such an installer already exist?


The preseeder should work for this.

Read:
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.automated-installation.html

at 12.3.2 and onwards.



 Part of the reason I know what I want is reasonable is that 
back in days of Squeeze I made much use of preseeding.


However, I find the brief description that link gives of simple-CDD 
intriguing. It may address some annoyances I found when using 
preseeding. As the weekend weather is going bounce between very hot and 
very wet an indoor reading assignment is welcome.


Thanks

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Marcelo Giordano]

Gracias por responder.
No entiendo mucho tu solución. TE bajas el último kernel de ubuntu y donde
lo pones? y como haces para poner en blacklist el modulo evbug? Estoy
bastante desorientado.
Gracias amigo

El vie, 25 jun 2021 a las 11:39, Juan Luís ()
escribió:

> A mí me pasó lo mismo en un hp de esos compactos y una gráfica integrada
> intel 915.
>  Me bajé el último kernel del ppa de ubuntu y se solucionó. Tambien hay
> que poner en blacklist el módulo evbug. Supongo que habrá otra forma "más
> elegante", pero lo solucioné así.
>
> Recibe un cordial saludo,
> Juan Luís
>
> El vie., 25 jun. 2021 16:35, Marcelo Giordano 
> escribió:
>
>> Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
>> ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
>>
>> Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
>> sistema no hace nada.
>>
>> La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
>> corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
>>
>> Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
>>
>> No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian
>>
>> Saludos compañeros
>>
>

Re: live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Juan Luís]

A mí me pasó lo mismo en un hp de esos compactos y una gráfica integrada
intel 915.
 Me bajé el último kernel del ppa de ubuntu y se solucionó. Tambien hay que
poner en blacklist el módulo evbug. Supongo que habrá otra forma "más
elegante", pero lo solucioné así.

Recibe un cordial saludo,
Juan Luís

El vie., 25 jun. 2021 16:35, Marcelo Giordano 
escribió:

> Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
> ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE
>
> Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
> sistema no hace nada.
>
> La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
> corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.
>
> Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.
>
> No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian
>
> Saludos compañeros
>

live xfce y lxde nonfree no arranca

[Marcelo Giordano]

Estimados. Me bajado el live usb de bullseye nonfree xfce , lxde y kde y
ninguno de los arranca a pesar de son es NONFREE

Se queda congelada en la pantalla de inicio y al hacer Ctrl + Alt + F2 el
sistema no hace nada.

La netbook es una exo 355 con 2gb de ram. La placa de video no he podido
corrobarla porque no puedo entrar al sistema, pero creo que es intel.

Alguna sugerencia para intentar buscarle una solución.

No quiero instalar otro sistema que no sea debian

Saludos compañeros

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re : Problème avec pulseaudio

[didier gaumet]

De mon point de vue (pas très informé à ce sujet, que ceux qui s'y
connaissent n'hésitent pas à corriger mes propos) il ne faut pas
considérer Pipewire comme un remplaçant de Pulseaudio, mais comme une
couche logicielle de routage et transmission de flux audio/vidéo créée
pour solutionner des problèmes apparus en même temps que l'émergence
d'autres technologies (bacs à sable, Wayland, concurrence et différence
entre Pulseaudio et Jack, etc...). Du coup, non seulement Pipewire
couvre un champ d'application plus large que Pulseaudio mais ne
remplace pas obligatoirement celui-ci même si il en est capable lorsque
configuré de manière adéquate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PipeWire

Concernant Bluetooth sur mon laptop en Debian Testing sous Gnome avec
du Pulseaudio et du Pipewire: je ne l'utilise pas et je ne sais pas si
il est fonctionnel ou non actuellement dans cette configuration.

Re: Wine i386 sobre Debian "buster" [SOLUCIONADO]

[Debian]

El 25/6/21 a las 10:36, Debian escribió:

Buenos días.

Para variar, wine me está dando dolores de cabeza.

Hasta ayer no tenía problemas, hoy sí.
Tengo una aplicación en el trabajo que corre en Windows sí o sí, y anda 
bien.


Y no se por qué hoy actualicé sistema y se me voló todo.

Estoy siguiendo esta página para arreglar el problema, que es lo que 
siempre hice

https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-wine-on-debian/

Pero ahora, no funciona.

El error:

# apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
No se pudieron instalar algunos paquetes. Esto puede significar que
usted pidió una situación imposible o, si está usando la distribución
inestable, que algunos paquetes necesarios aún no se han creado o se
han sacado de «Incoming».
La siguiente información puede ayudar a resolver la situación:

Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
  winehq-stable : Depende: wine-stable (= 6.0.1~buster-1)
E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes rotos.


No tengo NINGÚN paquete roto.

Me está haciendo doler el hígado; me niego a usar VirtualBox para un 
programa que hasta ayer funcionaba bien.


Si alguien puede darme una mano...


Gracias

JAP


Ya está, me contesto solo.

wine 6.01.1 de buster al parecer solución el tema y no es necesario 
hacer los malabares que había que hacer con los repositorios de winehq.


¿Qué hice?

Purgué el sistema completo de winehq, y dejé sólo los repositorios de 
Debian.


# apt install wine wine64 wine32


y problema resuelto


Gracias.

JAP

Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Dan Ritter]

Richard Owlett wrote: 
> I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
> stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
> system.
> 
> I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and
> likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled
> "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop
> environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended
> utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the
> effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first
> line and select MATE, I get my desired system.
> 
> Does such an installer already exist?

The preseeder should work for this.

Read:
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.automated-installation.html

at 12.3.2 and onwards.

-dsr-

Re: Debian stable - updates

[steve]

Le 25-06-2021, à 06:38:32 -0600, D. R. Evans a écrit :

For years I have run debian stable on my main desktop machine (the one 
I am using to type this e-mail). It has had fewer major issues than 
any other distribution I have tried.


Some even say that Debian is becoming annoying for that very reason…

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi Didar,

thanks for your opinion as well.
Good to learn there are so many users satisfied with Debian stable.

Many greetings.
Rosika

Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer

[Richard Owlett]

One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me 
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].


That paragraph states:

When packages are installed using the package management system, it will
by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages.
Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality > of 
the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should,
in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with
that software.


I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in 
stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal 
Debian system.


I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want 
and likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled 
"Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop 
environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended 
utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default 
the effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the 
first line and select MATE, I get my desired system.


Does such an installer already exist?
TIA

[1]  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.en.html
[2]  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html

Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Problème avec pulseaudio

[steve]

Le jeudi 24 juin 2021, Hugues Larrive a écrit :


Le mercredi 23 juin 2021 à 11:45, steve  a écrit :


Il semble qu'avec la création du répertoire /nonexistent, le message

d'erreur ait disparu. Mais maintenant, le système se plaint que ce

pipewire ne soit pas installé:

Jun 23 10:10:34 box xdg-desktop-portal[3121]: could not open 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pipewire-0.3: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type

Jun 23 10:10:34 box xdg-desktop-portal[3121]: No module 
"libpipewire-module-session-manager" was found

Je vais l'installer pour voir si ça fait disparaitre le message d'erreur.


Oui, j'ai vu ça aussi quand j'ai désinstallé pipewire, c'est sans
rapport avec l'utilisateur nobody et /nonexistent.

Personnellement j'ai désinstallé aussi xdg-desktop-portal dont je n'ai
pas l'utilité.



"desktop integration portal for Flatpak and Snap"

Aucune utilité pour moi => apt purge xdg-desktop-portal

Merci de l'avoir signalé.

Wine i386 sobre Debian "buster"

[Debian]

Buenos días.

Para variar, wine me está dando dolores de cabeza.

Hasta ayer no tenía problemas, hoy sí.
Tengo una aplicación en el trabajo que corre en Windows sí o sí, y anda 
bien.


Y no se por qué hoy actualicé sistema y se me voló todo.

Estoy siguiendo esta página para arreglar el problema, que es lo que 
siempre hice

https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-wine-on-debian/

Pero ahora, no funciona.

El error:

# apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
No se pudieron instalar algunos paquetes. Esto puede significar que
usted pidió una situación imposible o, si está usando la distribución
inestable, que algunos paquetes necesarios aún no se han creado o se
han sacado de «Incoming».
La siguiente información puede ayudar a resolver la situación:

Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
 winehq-stable : Depende: wine-stable (= 6.0.1~buster-1)
E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes rotos.


No tengo NINGÚN paquete roto.

Me está haciendo doler el hígado; me niego a usar VirtualBox para un 
programa que hasta ayer funcionaba bien.


Si alguien puede darme una mano...


Gracias

JAP

Re: Debian stable - updates

[didar]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 06:38:32AM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote:
> Christian wrote on 6/25/21 6:19 AM:
> > 
> > 
> > Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security
> > updates for the installed packages?
> > 
> 
> Yes, it does get security updates. It also gets non-security updates for
> some of the most popular packages.
> 
> For years I have run debian stable on my main desktop machine (the one I am
> using to type this e-mail). It has had fewer major issues than any other
> distribution I have tried.

I would like to second that.

I am currently on Debian Stable since 2019. I migrated away from Ubuntu which I
was using since 2006 and I am much happier.

Regards,
Didar

> 
>   Doc Evans
> 
> -- 
> Web:  http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
> 

-- 
Two brothers, Mort and Bill, like to sail.  While Bill has a great
deal of experience, he certainly isn't the rigger Mort is.

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi Tomas,

thank you so much for your reply.

> Thing is: "stable" means [...]  Only bug fixes and security patches 
go in.


Great! That is the most important aspect for me.
I really don't need the latest-and-greatest version of packages. All I 
do need is a stable and secure system.

So Debian stable turns out to be ideally suited for my purposes.

I've installed it in a VM for now (qemu, KVM) to see how it performs. I 
must say I'm very impressed. It runs smoothly even with just 1 GB RAM 
allocated to it.

I'm sure it'll make a fine system as a production system.

Thanks again and keep safe.

Many greetings.
Rosika

Re: Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi Doc Evans,

thanks a lot for your reply.

That´s great news indeed.
The fact that Debian stable is rock solid is a great asset in itself. So 
together with security updates it will surely make for a fine production 
system especially for older

computers like my Lenovo H520e desktop.

Thank you for clarifying the matter for me.

Many greetings and keep safe.
Rosika

Re : Re: Re: Re: Re : Problème avec pulseaudio

[Hugues Larrive]

Bonjour,

>
> Tu as vérifié que le service user Pulseaudio est désactivé sous
>
> Bullseye? Parce que de ce que je comprends, jusqu'à Debian 11 inclus,
>
> l'installation de Pipewire installe les bibliothèques nécessaires à
>
> l'utilisation de paquets qui en dépendent (et si j'ai bien saisi ce
>
> serait d'une aide appréciable pour les flatpaks), alors qu'à partir de
>
> Debian 12 il y aura en plus un nouveau paquet pipewire-pulse qui, lui,
>
> permettra de remplacer Pulseaudio. Remplacer Pulseaudio serait déjà
>
> possible mais déconseillé sous Debian 11 en suivant les instructions
>
> données et ce ne serait donc pas le comportement par défaut.
>
> J'ai récemment dû anticiper sur mon laptop ma migration vers Bullseye à
>
> partir de Buster (je suis sous Gnome classique):
>
Non je n'ai pas vérifié. Je suis sous mate desktop. J'ai eu un message
d'erreur dans blueman en tentant de connecter un casque bluetooth qui ma
aiguillé sur https://wiki.debian.org/PipeWire#Bluetooth. J'ai fais un
`ps aux | grep pipe` qui m'a montré que pipewire était actif et il me
semble avoir aussi fais un `ps aux | grep pulse` qui n'a rien retourné
mais je ne peux pas l'affirmer avec certitude.

J'ai alors tenté d'installer libspa-0.2-bluetooth ce qui n'a pas résolu
le problème.

Finalement j'ai désinstallé tout ce qui concerne pipewire et fait un
`apt-get install pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-bluetooth` qui a tout résolu.

blueman et pulseaudio-module-bluetooth ne sont pas installé par défaut
pour task-mate-desktop. Donc il se peut très bien que j'ai cru installer
pulseaudio en même temps que pulseaudio-module-bluetooth alors qu'il était
déjà installé (apt-get ne s'arrête pas dans ce cas là).

Maintenant si je réinstalle pipewire, les deux sont actif mais l'audio
bluetooth ne fonctionne plus. Donc si la seule utilité d'avoir pipewire
en plus de pulseaudio concerne les flatpacks ça ne m'intéresse pas.

Je remplacerait pulseaudio par pipewire le jour où pipewire sera
complètement stable et fonctionnel.

Concernant mon point de vue sur les flatpacks, je trouve ça anti-debian
dans le principe...

Cordialement

Re: Debian stable - updates

[tomas]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hi altogether,

[...]

> I quote:

> [...] There is a tradeoff, though. The software in Debian Stable is
> usually fairly outdated.
> In fact, it's usually outdated when the distribution first ships.
> Now, that's not much of a problem for servers, but it's awful for
> desktops. "

He is of course free to have this opinion :-)

Thing is: "stable" means that Debian stable doesn't (usually) change
the versions of installed software. Not without a strong reason. Only
bug fixes and security patches go in.

That means that you can usually update your operating system with closed
eyes, without fears that anything will stop working of a sudden.

Some people like that, even on their desktops ;-)

If you need the-latest-and-greatest of "this specific package" there
are usually ways around.

I, for example, have a very reduced set of packages I self-compile. I
know I've to deal with the fall-out, and I know how to. But I couldn't
possibly do that for the 2000+ packages installed in my system. I'm
infinitely thankful to the maintainers doing that job, and for them to
not make funny experiments.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Debian stable - updates

[D. R. Evans]

Christian wrote on 6/25/21 6:19 AM:



Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security
updates for the installed packages?



Yes, it does get security updates. It also gets non-security updates for some 
of the most popular packages.


For years I have run debian stable on my main desktop machine (the one I am 
using to type this e-mail). It has had fewer major issues than any other 
distribution I have tried.


  Doc Evans

--
Web:  http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans

Re: [Résolu] Re: Thunderbird : NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY

[steve]

Le 25-06-2021, à 12:45:52 +0200, didier gaumet a écrit :




Le vendredi 25 juin 2021 à 11:28 +0200, steve a écrit :
[...]

> > network.http.spdy.enabled.http2

[...]

> >  Tu as remis cette variable à true ? Si oui pourquoi ?



Je n'ai pas trop creusé la question mais il m'a semblé que c'était une
mesure de contournement plutôt qu'une résolution du problème à sa base.
Donc comme je n'ai pas un besoin immédiat d'accéder au site des modules
Thunderbird et que ledit site est censé être officiel, il devrait y
avoir bientôt des mesures prises pour que le site des modules soit
accessible sans anicroche depuis Thunderbird. Mais ce n'est qu'une
hypothèse personnelle...


… qui se tient parfaitement.

Merci pour tes lumières !

Debian stable - updates

[Christian]

Hi altogether,

as I´m a newcomer to Debian and coming from Lubuntu I searched for 
information as far as the release model is concerned.


I learned that there are three different releases: stable, testing, and 
unstable.


I know I´m not supposed to post any links here but for the sake of 
reference I´ll still do it this time (sorry).
I´m referring to the article  "Debian vs Ubuntu" on 
https://linuxconfig.org/debian-vs-ubuntu .


I quote:

"Debian's stable release is insanely stable. There are few distributions 
in the same league when it comes to rock solid reliability.


[...] There is a tradeoff, though. The software in Debian Stable is 
usually fairly outdated.
In fact, it's usually outdated when the distribution first ships. Now, 
that's not much of a problem for servers, but it's awful for desktops. "


Despite reading through the entire article I couldn´t really understand 
why the author refers to Debian stable as being "awful" for desktops.


So I have a question in order to be clear about the matter.

Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security 
updates for the installed packages?


I don´t really care about updates which would introduce new features of 
programmes. All I´m concerned about is getting security updates so that 
I can use Debian stable as my daily driver.


Thanks in advance for your help.

Many greetings
Rosika

Re: [Résolu] Re: Thunderbird : NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY

[didier gaumet]

Le vendredi 25 juin 2021 à 11:28 +0200, steve a écrit :
[...]
> > > network.http.spdy.enabled.http2
[...]
> > >  Tu as remis cette variable à true ? Si oui pourquoi ?


Je n'ai pas trop creusé la question mais il m'a semblé que c'était une
mesure de contournement plutôt qu'une résolution du problème à sa base.
Donc comme je n'ai pas un besoin immédiat d'accéder au site des modules
Thunderbird et que ledit site est censé être officiel, il devrait y
avoir bientôt des mesures prises pour que le site des modules soit
accessible sans anicroche depuis Thunderbird. Mais ce n'est qu'une
hypothèse personnelle...

Re: "ls -d" OK, but not "ls"

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-06-23 22:47:40 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2021-06-23 21:24:43 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Is this a new issue?
> 
> I don't know. The machine had been reinstalled in January. But
> since this reinstallation, I haven't tried to log in until today
> (I was using it only via job submissions).

FYI, the machines have now been reinstalled. It seems that aufs is
unreliable. There have already been problems in the last few years.

-- 
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Fatal error while burning CD

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Michael Lange wrote:
> If someone here can report about experience (good or bad) with specific
> make and models (still not sure whether the next drive will be a DVD- or
> BD-writer), it would be welcome...

In general i'd buy any brand of full height drives.
I currently run 3 LGs, 2 ASUS, 1 Samsung, 1 Optiarc, 1 PIONEER.

It's more a matter of the individual drive than of the manufacturer or
model. Not so good during the last 5 years were:
- The flaky new DVD burner which i had to send back was a LITEON
  iHAS124F. But i know of other iHASen which work well.
- An LG GH24NSC0 became unreliable after only two years.
  The LITEON was planned as replacement. In the end the job went to a
  ASUS DRW-24D5MT.
(Both did cost about 15 EUR. So any testing at the factory would eat up
the manufacturer's profit.)

I always refrained from slim drives. User reports suggest that they are
a bit less reliable. But your mileage may vary ...

--
A little warning about PIONEER BDR-S09 might be appropriate:

Mine reads BD-RW with such a high (and not adjustable) speed and has such
a strong grip on the medium, that two newer "Verbatim" BD-RW media
developed a radial crack from the inner hole towards the writable area.
With one of the media the crack reached the writable area and made the
medium unreadable.
This happened during stress tests after about 10 times of reading. The
media bear the manufacturer id "CMCMAG/CN2/0". Older Verbatim BD-RW
(VERBAT/IM0/0) or those from "Intenso", "Primeon" and "Maxcell"
(all RITEK/BW1/1) did not suffer such a damage in 20 read runs at about
10x BD speed.
The drive itself survived the intensive testing without problems.

I addressed the PIONEER BDR-S09's unwillingness to read with slower speed
by special parameters of xorriso command -read_speed, which curb the drive
speed by simply not taking more data per second than the desired speed
would deliver. I.e. xorriso waits with new READ(10) commands until enough
time has eleapsed since the last one. This causes the drive to make less
noise and to let the "CMCMAG/CN2/0" media survive 20 read runs without
visible damage:

  xorriso -for_backup -indev /dev/sr1 \
  -read_speed soft_force:4xBD \
  -check_media --

(The Linux kernel offers no such curb mechanism, i fear.)

In general i only feed the PIONEER with the RITEKs of which i have enough.
I now refrain from buying new "Verbatim" BD-RW, although it might be that
their plastic body became more sturdy meanwhile.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Re : usrmerge

[steve]

Le 25-06-2021, à 09:09:32 +, Hugues Larrive a écrit :


Sur un système avec tout dans la même partition ça ne devrait pas poser de
problème, même en mettant tous les binaires dans un dossier unique avec
des liens symboliques de leurs dossiers d'origine pointant dessus ça devrait
fonctionner. Le problème c'est si tu distribues des chose, par exemple un
script shell commençant par #!/bin/sh fonctionnera dans tous les cas (tant
qu'il y a un symlink de /bin -> /usr/bin, mais s'il commençait par
#!/usr/bin/sh il ne fonctionnerait pas sur un système où sh se trouve dans
/bin. Ou si tu as une configuration avec /usr sur une partition séparée,
dans ce cas il faut que tout le nécessaire pour monter cette partition soit
dans l'initrd.


J'ai un partitionnent un peu plus compliqué que ça, avec du Raid 1 pour
certaines:

udev on /dev type devtmpfs 
(rw,nosuid,relatime,size=16239944k,nr_inodes=4059986,mode=755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts 
(rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
/dev/sdb5 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
/dev/sdb6 on /usr type ext4 (rw,relatime)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
mqueue on /dev/mqueue type mqueue (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
hugetlbfs on /dev/hugepages type hugetlbfs (rw,relatime,pagesize=2M)
/dev/sdb1 on /boot type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/sde1 on /vm type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/md0 on /var type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/md1 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/md2 on /DATA type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/sdb3 on /boot/efi type vfat 
(rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro)


Risqué de se lancer dans cette opération de merge ?

[Résolu] Re: Thunderbird : NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY

[steve]

Le 24-06-2021, à 13:09:15 +0200, didier gaumet a écrit :




Le jeudi 24 juin 2021 à 11:22 +0200, steve a écrit :



C'est dit de changer la valeur d'une variable comme ça:

network.http.spdy.enabled.http2 = false

Ce que j'ai fait mais ça ne change rien. Le plus bizarre c'est que ça
marche directement dans firefox.


Tu as bien fait ça dans l'éditeur de config de Thunderbird, pas celui
de firefox?


Et bien non. J'avais essayé de taper about:config dans une des fenêtres
et ça ne marchait pas, donc je l'ai fait dans firefox directement, et ça
n'avait aucun effet sur thunderbird (ce que je trouvais normal soit dit
en passant). Mais il y a aussi un éditeur de configuration dans
thunderbird et maintenant le message d'erreur a disparu, j'arrive sur la
page des modules et mes agendas sont synchronisés correctement.


Et tu es sorti de Thunderbird pour le relancer pour que la
modif soit prise en compte (par sécurité, c'est ce que j'ai fait)?


Oui maintenant je l'ai fait.


Dans mon cas, ça a marché (ensuite j'ai rétabli la config par défaut)


C'est à dire ? Tu as remis cette variable à true ? Si oui pourquoi ?

Re: Fatal error while burning CD

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:44:58 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:

(...)
> > But maybe this is to be expected when cdrskin runs with the
> > modesty_on_drive=... option?
> 
> Yes. That option causes frequent inquiry of the drive's buffer status.
> At the time of above READ BUFFER CAPACITY command the free buffer
> capacity was 0x041000 = 266240 bytes. That's about 77.5 percent fill of
> the 0x12 = 1,179,648 buffer bytes.
> 
> So the buffer really does not get filled completely. In the log which
> you sent me, the error ocured after 28.8 seconds of libburn run time.
> At the time of above command, libburn was running for 26.803073 seconds.
> (What number is to see in the microsecond timestamp []-brackets of the
> failed WRITE(10) command ? Is it around 28 million ?)

looking through my collection of log files these timestamps range from
[ 25381890 ] to [ 29665146 ], with or without modesty_on_drive=... does
not seem to make much of a difference. Maybe the time it takes for the
drive to become ready after closing the tray can account for this 4
seconds.

> 
> 
> So it looks more like the actual burn start brings the drive firmware to
> reporting its self-invented (or "vendor specific") error code.
> I would next point to the power supply situation, if it was an external
> drive which gets its power via the USB cable. In that case the theory
> would be that the laser beam uses too much electricty so that the
> firmware processor gets a hick-up.

It's an internal drive, so the power supply seems to me like an unlikely
candidate.

> 
> But as it appears now, the drive is just mad and unreliable.
> I'm crossing fingers that your next one will have a long and happy life.

Thanks :-)
And maybe the firmware programmers of the next drive were less
creative :-)

If someone here can report about experience (good or bad) with specific
make and models (still not sure whether the next drive will be a DVD- or
BD-writer), it would be welcome...

Thanks again, and have a nice day :)

Michael


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Re: Unsubscrible

[Yuri Musachio]

Boa noite, galera!

Pra galera que quer dar “unsubscribe” na lista por seja lá qual o motivo, tem 
esse link aqui que talvez possa ajuda-los: 
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe




Best,

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 17:02, Paulo Correia  wrote:
> 
> 
> Rodrigo,
> 
> Na verdade o admin pouco pode fazer nesse seu caso, antes vinha no e-mail uma 
> assinatura onde podia fazer o unsubscribe, mas por algum motivo desconhecido 
> ela sumiu.
> 
> Mas é só pesquisar no oráculo Google por "debian list unsubscribe" que já é o 
> primeiro resultado.
> 
> 
> Att,
> Paulo Correia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> De: Rodrigo S.Pereira 
> Enviado: quinta-feira, 24 de junho de 2021 11:57
> Para: Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA ; Gilberto F da 
> Silva <2458...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Aguinaldo Alves ; 
> debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
> 
> Assunto: RE: Unsubscrible
>  
> Pessoal,
> Eu não contribuo e só leio as vezes.
> Podem retirar meu e-mail ?
> 
> 
> De: Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA 
> Enviado: sábado, 5 de junho de 2021 11:43
> Para: Gilberto F da Silva <2458...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Aguinaldo Alves ; 
> debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
> 
> Assunto: Re: Unsubscrible
>  
> 5 jun 2021 10:39:12 Gilberto F da Silva <2458...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 9:41:01AM –3, Aguinaldo Alves wrote:
> >>
> >> --
> >
> >Quando es[t]a lista será desativada?
> 
> Espero que esta lista nunca morra, ou só quando inventar-se algo melhor que o 
> correio eletrônico de texto puro.   Mas estás à vontade para dela sair.
> 

Re: grub2 boot menu

[elvis]

On 24/6/21 11:51 pm, mick crane wrote:

hello,
I was dual booting but got another PC so I can have windows and debain 
at the same time. Just for tidiness of booting I'd have liked to 
comment out the submenu entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg for windows just 
in case I wanted to put it back but not allowed.
Physically removing the windows disk and "grub-mkconfig" and/or 
"update-grub" sorts itself out but is there any way to do this 
manually as used to be the case ?

mick


you can still edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg

It's a bit more complex than the old grub but it's pretty obvious which bit it 
which when you look at it.

Any changes will be overwritten by grub-mkconfig but I assume that is what you 
want.



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Re: Fatal error while burning CD

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> >modesty_on_drive=1:min_percent=75:max_percent=80

Michael Lange wrote:
> burning failed with this option, too (two out of three runs).

Looks like you really need a new drive.


> cdrskin: FATAL : SCSI error on write(299,13): See MMC \
> specs: Sense Key 5 "Illegal request", ASC A8 ASCQ 04.
>
> I think this means that it failed even a bit earlier than without this
> option when it was "SCSI error on write(442,13)"?
> Before it fails there is a real lot of log entries (about 3000 lines) like
>
> READ BUFFER CAPACITY
> 5c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00
> From drive: 12b
> 00 0a 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 04 10 00
>  342 us [ 26803073 ]
>
> But maybe this is to be expected when cdrskin runs with the
> modesty_on_drive=... option?

Yes. That option causes frequent inquiry of the drive's buffer status.
At the time of above READ BUFFER CAPACITY command the free buffer capacity
was 0x041000 = 266240 bytes. That's about 77.5 percent fill of the
0x12 = 1,179,648 buffer bytes.

So the buffer really does not get filled completely. In the log which you
sent me, the error ocured after 28.8 seconds of libburn run time. At the
time of above command, libburn was running for 26.803073 seconds.
(What number is to see in the microsecond timestamp []-brackets of the
failed WRITE(10) command ? Is it around 28 million ?)


So it looks more like the actual burn start brings the drive firmware to
reporting its self-invented (or "vendor specific") error code.
I would next point to the power supply situation, if it was an external
drive which gets its power via the USB cable. In that case the theory
would be that the laser beam uses too much electricty so that the firmware
processor gets a hick-up.

But as it appears now, the drive is just mad and unreliable.
I'm crossing fingers that your next one will have a long and happy life.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas