Windows Key Mapping

2005-01-09 Thread Bruce Park
Hi guys,
I used to use the Windows key as one key but with the recent upgrade, that 
has changed.

If I recall correctly, both of these keys were mapped to Mod_4. Now in the 
GNOME 2.8, it is mapped to a Super_L and Super_R.

Can anyone help me on how I can get my old keys back?
bp

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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

2004-12-22 Thread Bruce Park
At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:03:30 +0100, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
On Friday 17 December 2004 15:10, Bruce Park wrote:
Hey guys,
Is there anyway to use Debian as an access point?
Yes, it's certainly possible. Get a card which supports the hostap 
driver. I have some notes which you may be able to use.
http://www.sentinel.dk/cookbook/?Wireless_cards_%2F_access_points

Don't mind the first half of the recipe where I absolutely feel like 
using the hostap driver for the non-AP nodes. Today I simply use the 
orinoco driver for new nodes since this works out-of-the-box with the 
Sarge installer, anyway.

Best regards,
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I would like to use my router (Linux machine) to act as an AP. It looks 
like this can be done according to the link above.

Now, can anyone recommend a card that will work in Linux?
Furthermore, the link only shows WEP encryption. I want to be able to do 
 WPA. Is this possible using a Debian machine?

bp
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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

2004-12-21 Thread Bruce Park
What kind of encryption (WEP, WPA) will it be able to do?

Would the card control this?

bp

At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:03:30 +0100, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
 On Friday 17 December 2004 15:10, Bruce Park wrote:
  Hey guys,
 
  Is there anyway to use Debian as an access point?

 Yes, it's certainly possible. Get a card which supports the hostap
 driver. I have some notes which you may be able to use.
 http://www.sentinel.dk/cookbook/?Wireless_cards_%2F_access_points

 Don't mind the first half of the recipe where I absolutely feel like
 using the hostap driver for the non-AP nodes. Today I simply use the
 orinoco driver for new nodes since this works out-of-the-box with the
 Sarge installer, anyway.

 Best regards,
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Using Debian as an Access Point?

2004-12-17 Thread Bruce Park
Hey guys,
Is there anyway to use Debian as an access point?
bp
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Printscreen with Eterm

2004-12-14 Thread Bruce Park
Fellow Debian Users,
Do any of you have a problem when you hit the Print Screen key inside Eterm? It 
seems to freeze the terminal for me.

I'm using Sid.
Any help is appreciated.
bp
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Re: GNOME File Association

2004-12-14 Thread Bruce Park
Tim wrote:
It did for me (after doing that, nautilus reported, e.g., .gnumeric as
the proper type instead of unknown).  One of the packages mentioned
says something about freedesktop.org (in one of the files I read under
/usr/share/mime).
 - Tim
I see. I'll have to try this out.
What by the way, is postint?
bp
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:26:43 -0500, Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim wrote:
I experienced the same problem recently while updating unstable (I've
been running unstable for a while; it's possible I accidentally
corrupted some file).
Anyway, I solved my problem by running apt-get install --reinstall
[all the programs Ron mentioned above].  All the programs were already
installed on the system except mimedecode (which, as Bruce mentioned,
doesn't directly solve the problem). That's the easy way to do it. I'm
pretty sure the reason it works is because one of the postinst scripts
rebuilds whatever file it was I lost.  One interesting postinst runs
'update-mime-database /usr/share/mime'.
Good luck.
- Tim
Tim,
Did that acutally rebuild the database? I was told that the application 
responsible
is gone to better integrated different desktops.
bp

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Re: Linux Router

2004-12-13 Thread Bruce Park

Ken Gilmour wrote:
Captain's Log, stardate Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0600, from the fingers of 
Michael Madden came the words:
Does anyone know of a decent Linux based router project out there?
In the past I've used LRP (http://www.linuxrouter.org), but it
looks like the project isn't maintained anymore.
My requirements are pretty simple.  I want to route traffic from
network A to network B and route traffice from network B to A.  I
don't need firewalling, but would like IP forwarding and NAT.  Any
recommendations?

Linux is capable of routing by default almost. All you need are two interfaces 
and linux. You can use iptables (or ipchains if you're using an old distro) to 
do this. Personally i prefer OpenBSD to do this because it's very compact etc 
but I've also used Debian Woody to do the same task.
The only problem i have with Linux's iptables as opposed to OpenBSD's PF is 
that iptables has an overwhelming amount of stuff it can do and you can easily 
break it. But it is, however, much more configurable. You can set them to just 
allow everything through and use NAT and IP Forwarding in the process.
Ken,
Can you explain this in further detail? I've used iptables on Woody for 
almost two years without any problems. Thanks.

bp
HTH
Regards,
Ken


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Re: Chaning GNOME Icon Size

2004-12-13 Thread Bruce Park
Eric Gaumer wrote:
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 19:19 -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
In attempt to change the GNOME icon size, I did the following, Applications-Desktop 
Preferences-File Management Preferences.

Under the Icon View Defaults I change this to 75%. Both of the checkboxes right 
below are unchecked.

Now, desktop and Nautilus seem to be fine but when I use the Run Application most 
of the icons are big again.

Is this a Debian problem or GNOME problem?
Any help is greatly appreciated.

You can adjust the size of icons in the gtkrc file under the theme you
are currently using and/or the index.theme file under the icon theme
itself.
I don't have any files other than .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2.
Inside this, it just links to : include /home/bpark/.gtkrc.mine
I guess GNOME really wanted to make this modular? I don't have this file either. Can 
you tell me what man page to look up for the syntax for the gtkrc files?

By the way, what is up with all these broken up things in GNOME. Eversince I did an 
upgrade, it's been a nightmare when it comes to small things like this. I really like 
Debian but it seems like I'm spendin a lot more time trying to fix minor and major 
issues rather than enjoying them.

bp
I'm working on an application that creates gnome icon themes. It is
called GiB (Gnome Iconset Builder). It's still in its infancy but does
currently work. It will automatically resize icons and build the
supporting index.theme file for you.
deb ftp://corp.primenetwork.net/debian/ prime contrib
deb-src ftp://corp.primenetwork.net/debian prime contrib
]$ apt-get update
]$ apt-get install gib
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=385
I'd be interested in any feedback from you artists out there. I have
packages for both x86 and PPC. GiB is written in GTK# and requires mono.
The package should pull down all the required dependencies from Debian
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Re: Chaning GNOME Icon Size

2004-12-13 Thread Bruce Park
William Ballard wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:31:05PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
By the way, what is up with all these broken up things in GNOME. Eversince 
I did an upgrade, it's been a nightmare when it comes to small things like 
this. I really like Debian but it seems like I'm spendin a lot more time 
trying to fix minor and major issues rather than enjoying them.

That's why they call it unstable.
The change from 2.0 to 2.2 was a lot worse.
Used to cuss at them a lot.
Yes. Unfortunately, this is exactly why I was using testing. The bad thing is testing 
was affected by this as well when I ran that update.

FWIW, my .gtk*, .gnome* files are cached from at least last spring, and 
I've been running Sid the whole time, and it hasn't barfed.
Hmm, that's odd. I wonder what's causing mine to behave weird.
If it's totally horked just backup your files in your home dir, delete 
that user, delete that homedir, add your user back, and start over 
clean.
I actually tried this approach. Nothing's changed.
Thanks for your help though. I appreciated it.
bp

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Chaning GNOME Icon Size

2004-12-12 Thread Bruce Park
In attempt to change the GNOME icon size, I did the following, Applications-Desktop 
Preferences-File Management Preferences.

Under the Icon View Defaults I change this to 75%. Both of the checkboxes right 
below are unchecked.

Now, desktop and Nautilus seem to be fine but when I use the Run Application most 
of the icons are big again.

Is this a Debian problem or GNOME problem?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
bp
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Re: GNOME File Association

2004-12-11 Thread Bruce Park
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 22:40 -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
Hello Debian Users,
I am currently using the unstable version of Debian. Prior to this, I was using 
testing (Sarge) and I noticed that a serious problem had occurred after an dist-upgrade.

Basically, all my file associations seem to have dissapeared. While using testing, I 
was able to at least open a application with this information but in Sid, I can't 
even find this application anymore. It would appear that it is no longer in it's 
proper menu.

An annoying side effect to this is that I cannot double click files and have them 
automatically launch with the approrpriate application. When I try this, the message 
I usually get is:

Couldn't display filename.
Can anyone tell me how I can get that application back into the menu? I don't know 
the exact name of the program but it allowed me to associate files by the suffix to 
an application.

Any help will be appreciated.

See if these are installed properly:
ii  gnome-mime-data  2.4.1-2  
ii  mime-support 3.28-1   
ii  mimedecode   1.9-2
ii  shared-mime-info 0.15-1   
The third pacakage mimedecode was missing. After installing it, the only 
improvement I see is after right clicking a file, it gives me one more option which 
is to open it with an associated appplication.

Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away with the File 
Association application found on the Applications - Desktop Preferences menu?

Thanks for the help.
bp
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Re: GNOME File Association

2004-12-11 Thread Bruce Park
René Seindal wrote:
Bruce Park wrote (11-12-2004 16:14):
Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away 
with the File Association application found on the Applications - 
Desktop Preferences menu?

Yes it did,
Use Open with other application and type in the application you want 
to use.

It will be remembered for that file type afterwards.
I wonder, why was it removed? I do realize that once you associated an file to an 
application, it works fine but most of my original settings have been removed.

bp
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GNOME File Association

2004-12-10 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian Users,
I am currently using the unstable version of Debian. Prior to this, I was using 
testing (Sarge) and I noticed that a serious problem had occurred after an dist-upgrade.

Basically, all my file associations seem to have dissapeared. While using testing, I 
was able to at least open a application with this information but in Sid, I can't 
even find this application anymore. It would appear that it is no longer in it's 
proper menu.

An annoying side effect to this is that I cannot double click files and have them 
automatically launch with the approrpriate application. When I try this, the message 
I usually get is:

Couldn't display filename.
Can anyone tell me how I can get that application back into the menu? I don't know 
the exact name of the program but it allowed me to associate files by the suffix to 
an application.

Any help will be appreciated.
bp
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2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Park






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/cdrom directory

2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Park
Debian users,

 I'm having some difficulty regarding accessing an audio cdrom through 
/cdrom directory. I was hoping that someone could help me with this problem.
 Currently, I can access the audio cd through /dev/cdrom. Here are some 
info about the files.

bash$ ls -l /cdrom
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Feb 11 16:46 cdrom

bash$ ls -l /dev/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx1 root cdrom   3 Feb 11 16:46 /dev/cdrom - hdc

bash$ ls -l /dev/hdc
rw-rw 1 root cdrom 22,   0 Mar 14  2002 /dev/hdc

bash$ id
uid=1000(brock) gid=1000(brock) groups=1000(brock),24(cdrom),29(audio)

Here's my /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  
pass
/dev/hda4   /   ext3errors=remount-ro   0   1
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0   0
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0   0
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0

Data cds mount to /cdrom withouth any problem. Of course I'm not trying to 
mount audio cds but I was able to go to /cdrom using xmms and play the 
appropriate files.

bp


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/cdrom -vs- /dev/hdc

2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Park
Dear debian users,

 I'm having some trouble loading my audio cd through /cdrom directory. 
Before I start talking about the problem, here are the files that are of use 
to this problem.

==
[brock@parker brock]$ ls -l / | grep 'cdrom'
dr-xr-xr-x   11 root root 4096 Jul 18  2002 cdrom
[brock@parker brock]$ ls -l /dev/hdc
brw-rw1 root cdrom 22,   0 Mar 14  2002 /dev/hdc
[brock@parker brock]$ ls -l /dev/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root3 Feb 11 16:46 /dev/cdrom - hdc
[brock@parker brock]$ cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  
pass
/dev/hda4   /   ext3errors=remount-ro   0   1
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0   0
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0   0
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0
[brock@parker brock]$ groups
brock cdrom audio


 I can actually load audio files through /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom but I 
cannot load them through /cdrom. I can mount and run data cds perfectly 
through /cdrom but the audio files don't show up there for some reason.
 Does anyone have an idea why this doesn't work? I'm looking to solve this 
problem rather than to ignore it and use /dev/hdc or /dev/cdrom to load 
audio files. Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

bp

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emacs and X

2003-01-12 Thread Bruce Park
Hello debian users,

I'm reposting this problem again in hope that someone can help me out. I 
really need to solve this since it's a real annoying bug.
When I use emacs(emacs20-7), the window and the fonts are distorted at 
times. After running some tests, I have figured out that this will occur 
only after launching applications that use X. Some examples are launching 
gkrellm and a java applet.

Normal pic:
http://rplaca.cs.qc.edu/~bpark/normal.jpg

Bug pic:
http://rplaca.cs.qc.edu/~bpark/weird.jpg

I haven't done anything to tweak X except for installing ttf and removing 
xfonts100-dpi. Would reinstalling X solve this problem? If so, what specific 
package(s) do I need to reinstall?
Any help or suggestion is very much appreciated.

bp

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emacs problems due to X

2003-01-10 Thread Bruce Park
I've been experiencing this weird emacs problem regarding X. I'm hoping
that someone can help me to resolve this situation. Before I go on any
further, I'm currently using version 4.1.0-16 in the debian distribution
under KDE desktop.

Here is the normal pic:
http://rplaca.cs.qc.edu/~bpark/normal.jpg
The weird pic:
http://rplaca.cs.qc.edu/~bpark/weird.jpg

If you take a look at the weird picture, it seems like the height(of fonts, 
cursor, the bottom row) is double spaced. This happens right after another 
application is launched using X. Some exmaples are Java applets and gkrellm. 
Anytime I
use emacs after this, emacs is distorted. There are other things that
trigger this effect but I have not been able to find a perfect example
besides the Java applet example.
I've noticed that this problem will go away when I re-login to the system.
The only thing that I've done to tweak X windows is by adding true type
fonts and taking out xfonts-100dpi. Other than that, there's nothing that
I've done.

bp

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NTFS mounting

2002-12-28 Thread Bruce Park
How safe is NTFS read-only mounting? I know that writing to it is very 
dangerous.

bp

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bash revisited

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Park
Hello users,

I posted a message regarding bash and what files it executes. Some replied 
that I should read the invocation section of the bash man page. I've done 
just that and while some questions are answered, others are not.
As far as I understand this, there are two ways of invoking bash.
1. interactive login shell or non-interactive with '--login' option
This will execute /etc/profile - ~/.bash_profile - ~/.bash_login - 
~/.profile

2. non-interactive login shell
This will execute ~/.bashrc

Now according to these rules and by using 'echo' statements in some files, 
it was obvious that I was using the non-interactive login shell. My .bashrc 
file does NOT contain anything that sets up a new PATH. So how is the PATH 
env set? Is KDM somehow executing something that I'm not seeing?

bp



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KDE window decor

2002-12-17 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I recall using KDE2 for a short time but I remember that there was window 
decoration called CDE. I'm now using KDE3 and I don't see this anymore. Does 
anyone know if I can find this window theme? If I do find it, what directory 
should I put this in? Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

bp


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bash

2002-12-16 Thread Bruce Park
Dear debian users,

My understanding with the original Bourne shell was that when it starts up, 
it will execute .profile in the users home directory. How does this work in 
bash? I have a .bash_profile but I know that it isn't executed since my PATH 
variable isn't updated everytime I log on.

bp

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apt error

2002-12-11 Thread Bruce Park
Hello debian users,

I'm currenty experiencing some difficulty in trying to install 'aktion' from 
KDE. Here's what happens:
bash$ apt-get install aktion
Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
Package aktion has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
E: Packagae aktion has no installation candidate

I'd install the entire multimedia package but I despise having software that 
I never use. I picked aktion for a movie player. Any help or suggestion is 
greatly appreciated.

bp

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Re: quick shell questions

2002-12-10 Thread Bruce Park
From: Drew Cohan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: quick shell questions
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:00:51 -0500

1.  How do I combine these two (JPG vs jpg):

for f in /path/to/*.JPG; do mv $f `date +%N`.jpg; done
for f in /path/to/*.jpg; do mv $f `date +%N`.jpg; done

I gotta re read my shell book for this one. I'd recommend UNIX shells by 
Example by Ellie Quigley. It's a well written book.


I'm trying to avoid duplicate filenames during my renaming sessions.

2.  What does the 2/dev/null1 mean that I see in a lot of examples
(eg ls 2/dev/null/1).

I believe this is redirecting the standard error(2) to where the standard 
output(1) is going. Since standard ouput is redirected to /dev/null, the 
standard output will go there too. To make a long story short, they'll both 
end at /dev/null which is really nothing. You do this when you generate 
messages or return values that you don't need.


I really should take a shell scripting class.  :)

Thanks,

Drew Cohan
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mozilla mail reader

2002-12-10 Thread Bruce Park
Hello debian users,

I am currently using Mozilla 1.0.0 and I noticed a strange effect in the 
mail reader. The mail reader has fields such as subject, date, etc. In the 
date field, I get the time when the mail was sent or received instead of the 
date. Is this field configurable? I already e-mailed the admin and asked. He 
told me that it was working well for others and himself.
Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

bp




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Re: mozilla mail reader

2002-12-10 Thread Bruce Park
From: nate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mozilla mail reader
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:59:51 -0800 (PST)

Bruce Park said:
 Hello debian users,

 I am currently using Mozilla 1.0.0 and I noticed a strange effect in the
 mail reader. The mail reader has fields such as subject, date, etc. In
 the  date field, I get the time when the mail was sent or received 
instead
 of the  date. Is this field configurable? I already e-mailed the admin 
and
 asked. He  told me that it was working well for others and himself.
 Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

what? you talkin about when you open an email it shows the data inside the
email that was when it was sent ? instead of your 'current' date? I'm
lost, because this sounds perfectly normal. Have you looked at the raw 
email
itself? can you post a screenshot to a web/ftp site so it's more clear?
The keyword here is DATE not DATA. Here is the pic:
http://rplaca.cs.qc.edu/~bpark/mozilla-mail.jpg



nate




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Re: mozilla mail reader

2002-12-10 Thread Bruce Park
From: Travis Crump [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mozilla mail reader
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:42:49 -0500

Bruce Park wrote:

From: Travis Crump [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It shows just the time of all mails sent today because it assumes that 
you know what day it is.

OK... but wouldn't it make more sense to list the date? I can understand 
TODAY's things not  being dated. With that being said, will the date field 
change tomorrow? If it didn't, you'd have no way of when the mail was 
received.


Yes the date field will change tomorrow to some format determined by your 
locale which includes the date.  Whenever I 'find' a 'bug' like this, I 
think to myself, Would the programmers really have made this big of an 
error and not noticed it?  The answer is usually no and I figure out my 
misunderstanding or what I am doing wrong/unusual. Especially in this 
instance where Netscape uses the Mozilla code base for its mail client and 
has been in this business for a while.
You are absolutely right Travis. Who am I to think that developers at 
Mozilla would make such an error. Well, all I have to say is that it's been 
a while since I configured anything like this and basically, I panicked. 
I'll be more cautious next time. In the meantime, thanks for the help. I 
really appreciate it.

bp


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woody and TTF

2002-12-09 Thread Bruce Park
Hello debian users,

Is true type fonts already installed in woody? I was looking at some screen 
shots and I see no differences from my fonts and theirs.

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Re: grub question - SOVLED

2002-12-07 Thread Bruce Park
Shyamal,

Thanks to your help I finally figured out what was wrong. menu.lst was 
correct after all.
title Linux
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro

My boot partition was NEVER redone when I installed Debian. When I was 
installing Debian, I assumed that when Lilo was configured, it took care of 
the the boot partition. This was the problem.

After mounting /dev/hda2, I looked at it and realized that this was from 
Redhat linux. I deleted everything and copied the correct directories and 
files from /boot.

Thanks Shyamal. If you didn't tell me to go into grub shell at boot, I may 
never have figured this out.

bp

From: Shyamal Prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: grub question - please help
Date: 07 Dec 2002 13:37:27 -0600

Bruce == Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The leading '/' on the vmlinuz kernel name was probably his
 problem.
Bruce OK, I edited the it to:

Bruce kernel vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro

Sorry, I mis-spoke.

Bruce which results in: Error 1: Filename must be either an
Bruce absolute pathanme or blocklist

Bruce On my system: bash$ ls -l /boot | grep
Bruce 'vmlinuz' -rw-r--r-- root root ... vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4

Bruce I still can't solve this problem.

When you get the grub boot screen hit the 'c' key. You should get a
'grub' prompt from the grub shell.

Now set your grub root to your boot partition. Your mail has lost
references, so I can no longer find your original post, but perhaps
you have to type something like 'root (hd0,1)' if your /boot partition
is on /dev/hda2. Press enter and grub should tell you what type of
file system is on /dev/hda2 (or whatever you selected).

Now type 'kernel /' and hit the tab key. See what it says. If it does
not list vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 then look for the right kernel name. Go
ahead and fill out the root and ro parameters. Hit enter. Then boot.

I'm sorry if I'm not helping much hereI've lost track since I
can't find your original post.

Best regards,
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GRUB - splashimage

2002-12-07 Thread Bruce Park
Hello debian users,

Does anyone have any info on how I can splashimage to work in GRUB for 
debian?
I just realized that this is not included in the original GRUB package.

bp


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Re: grub question - please help

2002-12-06 Thread Bruce Park
Martin,

vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 resides in /boot
vmlinuz resides in / but is a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4

bp


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Subject: Re: grub question - please help
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:03:20 +0100

also sprach Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.06.0647 +0100]:
 X because kernel 2.4.-18-3 is running instead of 2.4.18-bf2.4. When I 
edit
   ^
can you find the corresponding kernel file on the harddrive?

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True Type Font

2002-12-06 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

How can I see if I have ttf installed on my machine?
If  I don't have it installed, is there a simple package that I can install 
or does it need configuration?

bp


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Re: grub question - please help

2002-12-06 Thread Bruce Park
From: Shyamal Prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: grub question - please help
Date: 06 Dec 2002 18:33:09 -0600

David == David P James David writes:

David initrd /initrd.img-2.4.18-bf2.4

David Come to think of it, the leading '/' should probably be
David dropped for both.

The bf2.4 kernel does not use an initrd image unlike the other 2.4.18
kernel packages. So the poster does not need this. I too made the
mistake of assuming there was an initrd file with bf2.4 recently.

Hmm., that's interesting.


The leading '/' on the vmlinuz kernel name was probably his problem.

OK, I edited the it to:

kernel vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro
which results in:
Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathanme or blocklist

On my system:
bash$ ls -l /boot | grep 'vmlinuz'
-rw-r--r--  root root   some other info  vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4

I still can't solve this problem.


David You can also try absolute paths rather than relative ones;
David eg:


David kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro
David initrd (hd0,1)/initrd.img-2.4.18-bf2.4

Yup, and going one step further, she/he could experiment and find the
best option by getting to the grub prompt and using the 'find' command
or otherwise interactively attempting to boot the system until it
worked ;-)

Cheers!
Shyamal


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file system

2002-12-05 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

I need some help regarding file system in Linux. Currently, I have four 
partitions on my hard drive. I will use Grub's notation for representing an 
IDE primary-master hard drive

hd0,0  - Windows  (NTFS)
hd0,1  - boot  (ext 2)
hd0,2  - swap (swap)
hd0,3  - root   (ext 3)

When I boot using Grub, I'm having problems loading the linux portion. 
Here's what I have in /boot/grub/menu.lst

title Debian GNU/Linux
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz-2-4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro

I keep getting an error stating that it wants an ext 2 file type. I'm 
thinking that since boot is ext2 and root is ext3, this is causing this 
problem. I would like to solve this problem by converting the boot partition 
to ext 3. Would this solve the problem? If so, how can I perform such file 
conversion without losing data in that partition?

bp







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grub question - please help

2002-12-05 Thread Bruce Park
Hello folks,

I'm having a difficult time loading the linux partition in grub. I'm going 
to do the best that I can to explain what I understand and what I don't. I'm 
currenty using 2.4.-18-bf2.4 kernel. I am also using a floppy to test this. 
I have NOT loaded this into the MBR. Instead, the Lilo is in the MBR.

My partition consits of:
hd0,0   /dev/hda1WindowsNTFS
hd0,1   /dev/hda2bootext2
hd0,2.  /dev/hda3Swap   Swap
hd0,3   /dev/hda4Linux root ext3

Now, I got the Windows part down but I cannot get the linux part. I'm going 
to add line numbers to make this easier to read. Here's what I have so far:
1  title Linux
2  # load the boot partition to Grub
3  root (hd0,1)
4  load the kernel
5  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda4 ro
6  # this DOES NOT WORK
7  # kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda4 ro

Line 3 loads the boot partition into GRUB's root partition. In the boot 
partition there is NO kernel vmlinuz. There is ONLY vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4. 
For ex:
bash$ ls -l /boot | grep 'vmlinuz'
-rw-r--r--  1   rootroot   not important  vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4

File vmlinuz exists at the Linux root partition. I did NOT load hd0,3 into 
Grub's root.
bash$ ls -l / | grep 'vmlinuz'
lrwxrwxrwx  1   rootroot   not important  
vmlinuz-/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4

If vmlinuz doesn't exist in the boot partition, why does that work? When I 
run this, it actually is executed but runs the WRONG kernel. I cannot start 
X because kernel 2.4.-18-3 is running instead of 2.4.18-bf2.4. When I edit 
line 5 to line 7, Grub states that the file cannot be found. Can someone 
please help me?

bp


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Re: .Xresources file

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Park
Sean,

I too always thought the .Xdefaults was the deprecated version. Regardless, 
creating the symlink definetly solved the problem. Thank you.

bp


From: sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: .Xresources file
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:39:08 -0500

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 02:31:12PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
  iirc, .Xresources is deprecated in favor of .Xdefaults.

 shnipo

 Hmm, I thought it was the other way around .Xdefaults deprecated...
 anyway I always make one a symlink to the other.

yeah, right you are.  likewise i symlink one to the other because
i always seem to forget :)


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Re: audio cd

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Park
Nick,

It seems you are absolutely correct about using cdplay. It's better to 
concentrate on the initial source of the problem rather than use XMMS and 
see if that's the problem. Anyhow, I  installed the cdtool package as you 
said and tried cdplay. Originally, I had more error than what I'm about to 
show you but I took care of that error by adding myself to the group cdrom.

Here is the error now:

bash$ cdplay
cdplay: can't open cdrom (/dev/cdrom)
cdplay: error opening /dev/cdrom
/dev/cdrom is owned by group disk
Try , as root: chgrp --dereference cdrom /dev/cdrom
cdplay: CD Status is no_disc


Here is what my directories and files look like:
===
bash$ ls -l / | grep cdrom$
drwxr-xr-x 1 root   root4096  Dec   2   13:07  cdrom

bash$ ls -l /dev | grep hdc$
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root3  Dec   2   13:07 cdrom - hdc
brw--rw 1 root   disk  22, 0   Mar  14   2002 hdc



I actually was listed in group disk but realized the danger of that. What 
should I do now?

bp

From: Nick Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio cd
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:13:28 +0900

Hi,


* Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [021204 14:04]:
 Nick,

 I took myself off the disk group. I see your point in how dangerous that
 can become.
 You stated you have this:
 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 2000-11-08 18:13 /dev/cdrom 
-
 /dev/hdc
 brw-rw-rw-1 root disk  22,   0 2002-05-13 18:06 /dev/hdc
 Guess what? That' exactly what I have.

Ok good.

 I have the xmms cd-read plugin as well and nothing is working. My
 question is, what exactly happens when this works? Does konqueror pop
 up with the audio files?

Next step. As so many other posters have already stated, for now
forget about xmms, forget about konqueror or whatever gui. You need to
simplify the situation to work out where there problem is. For now use
a command line cd player. One that springs to mind is cdplay from the
cdtool package. Put in a cd and type cdplay on the command line. Then
tell us what happens.

Nick.

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Re: audio problem restated

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Park
Adam,

Thanks. I took care of that error. I could have really installed this 
already but I just wanted to see if this was the source regarding the audio 
cd problem.

bp

From: Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio problem restated
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:06:46 +1300

Hi Bruce Park,

 When I run XMMS from the shell, I get this error: libmikmod.so.2: cannot
 open shared object file: No such file or directory

Bruce, head off to http://packages.debian.org and type libmikmod.so.2 in
Search the contents of packages. Click search and you'll find the
library is supplied by libmikmod2. apt-get install libmikmod2 and the
annoying error message will go away.

Regards,
Adam



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Re: audio cd

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Park
From: Nick Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio cd
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:20:29 +0900


HI Bruce,

* Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [021205 11:03]:
 Nick,

 It seems you are absolutely correct about using cdplay. It's better to
 concentrate on the initial source of the problem rather than use XMMS 
and
 see if that's the problem.

This is how you should approach most problems, not just computer ones.
Yes indeed. When I code, this is the easiest solution. Being new to debian, 
I didn't know which program would be the easiest to test this with. 
Obviously I should have seen this.


 Anyhow, I installed the cdtool package as you said and tried cdplay.
 Originally, I had more error than what I'm about to show you but I
 took care of that error by adding myself to the group cdrom.

 Here is the error now:
 
 bash$ cdplay
 cdplay: can't open cdrom (/dev/cdrom)
 cdplay: error opening /dev/cdrom
 /dev/cdrom is owned by group disk
 Try , as root: chgrp --dereference cdrom /dev/cdrom
 cdplay: CD Status is no_disc
 

 Here is what my directories and files look like:
 ===
 bash$ ls -l / | grep cdrom$
 drwxr-xr-x 1 root   root4096  Dec   2   13:07  cdrom

 bash$ ls -l /dev | grep hdc$
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root3  Dec   2   13:07 cdrom - hdc
 brw--rw 1 root   disk  22, 0   Mar  14   2002 hdc

 

OK, I think you are almost there. What you show above is almost what
you need. The thing is that you are now out of the disk group so you don't
have permission so read or write /dev/hdc. Use chmod to fix this the
prblem for /dev/hdc.

chmod o+rw /dev/hdc

Now try and run cdplay again.


Ahhh, I can't believe I missed this. I forget that UNIX/LINUX trates devices 
as files. It's rather embarrassing that I missed this but thanks Nick. I'm 
very grateful for your help.

 I actually was listed in group disk but realized the danger of that. 
What
 should I do now?

See above. It makes the /dev/hdc readable and writable by everyone.

Email the list with the results (and please _don't_ cc me,  I only
need the email once).
Sorry about that. Won't happen again.



Cheers,

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KDE sound

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

 I'm using KDE3 and I had a few questions regarding the sound server aRts. 
I need to edit the system volume but when I go into sounds in the control 
system, I don't see anything that pertains to volume. It states something 
about using a sound server at start up and I'm thinking that this should be 
arts. I do NOT have the arts plugin for XMMS nor do I really want to run a 
useless process and hog memory. Can someone recommend a way to manipulate 
the system volume?
 As always, any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

bp

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Re: SB Live

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
It looks like Michael is absolutely correct about this. I too had a problem 
loading it and although I had emu10k1 already loaded, I wasn't added to the 
'audio' group. Make sure to do that and restart.

bp


From: Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SB Live
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:34:06 -0500

On 03/12/02 Peter van Oene did speaketh:

 Can anyone point me to a decent FAQ or HOWTO describing how to enable
 support for my SB Live?  I'm pretty noobed, and can't seem to get it
 going.

It's quite simple, as far as soundcards go. Try the following:

modprobe emu10k1

Check the last lines of dmesg to see if it was recognized, and then 
add
yourself to the audio group.

ie. adduser me audio

Logout and back in, and try an audio app.

Mike

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Re: apt-get update, upgrade and install not success, please help

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Eric,

Are your sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list valid?
Just run the update command and see what happens first. Then run upgrade 
afterwards.

bp

From: eric lin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: apt-get update, upgrade and install not success, please help
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:43:40 -0700

Dear debain users:

When i use apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
I meet the error

You might want to rYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct
these.
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libgtk1.2: Depends: gconv-modules but it is not installable
  locales: Depends: glibc2.2 but it is not installable
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
un `apt-get -f install' to correct these.

then I use
apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -f

I meet following problem:


Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages
Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Release
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libart-dev locales
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  docbook-xml libdb3 libgtk1.2-common libscrollkeeper0 libxslt1
scrollkeeper symlinks
The following packages have been kept back
  abiword apache apache-common apmd apt ash autoinstall balsa
base-config bzip2 communicator console-data
  console-tools console-tools-libs cvs debhelper debian-policy dh-make
dia discover dnsutils dpkg elm-me+ eog
  eperl eterm fileutils freetype2 gabber gedit gftp glade-gnome glimmer
gmc gnome-applets
  gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-help gnome-panel
gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-utils gnomeicu
  gnucash gnumeric gnupg gnus groff gs gsfonts imagemagick
libaudiofile-dev libbz2 libcapplet-dev libcapplet0
  libdps-dev libglib1.2 libglib1.2-dev libmagick5 libnspr4
libpam-modules libpanel-applet-dev
  libpanel-applet0 librep9 libwww-perl lprng mc-common mozilla netpbm
netscape ntp openssl parted
  perl-5.005-doc psgml python-dev python-doc python-gdk-imlib
python-glade python-gnome python-gtk
  python-numeric rep rep-gtk rep-gtk-gnome samba samba-common
sawfish-gnome shellutils slrn smbclient sox
  squid ssh swig sysklogd tetex-bin textutils util-linux vflib2 vim-gtk
vm w3-el-e20 wget xchat-gnome
  xemacs21 xemacs21-bin xemacs21-mule xemacs21-support
xemacs21-supportel xlibmesa-dev xlibosmesa-dev xpdf
  xscreensaver xserver-8514 xserver-agx xserver-common xserver-common-v3
xserver-mach32 xserver-mach8
  xserver-p9000 xserver-s3 xserver-svga xserver-xfree86
321 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 2 to remove and 124 not
upgraded.
24 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/175MB of archives. After unpacking 99.7MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Calling dpkg with the following arguments...
/usr/bin/dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.2.14_all.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libdb2-dev_2%3a2.7.7.0-8_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libdb2-util_2%3a2.7.7.0-8_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libdb2_2%3a2.7.7.0-8_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libpopt0_1.6.4-2_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/mount_2.11n-4_i386.deb
Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg requires resequencing.

highly appreciate your tech help and time
sincere Eric


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X problem

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

I was wondering how I can fix this problem regarding the root user and X. 
Normally, I log into the machine as a regular user then use the su command 
to become root. Whenever I need to utilize X(xmms, emacs), I get an error 
stating the following:
==
Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by the server
Xlib: client is not authorized to connect to Server
emacs: Cannot connect to X server :0.0
Check the DISPLAT environment variable or use `-d'
Also use the xhost program to verify that it is set to permit connections 
fro your machine
==

I'm thinking that I need to add the root user to the Xlib somehow. 
Unfortunately, I'm a newbie when it comes to linux so

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Re: SB Live

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Peter,

Hmm, which kernel are you using? I am using 2.4.18.bf24. It was only loaded 
because I chose to install it when I first installed the system.
In anycase, I don't think the creative website will have this module. Your 
best bet is search google and find it at a linux site.

bp


From: Peter van Oene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SB Live
Date: 03 Dec 2002 09:40:11 -0500

When modprobe tells me i'm missing emu10k1, do I just go to creative and
download it?


almo:~# modprobe emu10k1
modprobe: Can't locate module emu10k1

tx

pete



On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 08:34, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
 On 03/12/02 Peter van Oene did speaketh:

  Can anyone point me to a decent FAQ or HOWTO describing how to enable
  support for my SB Live?  I'm pretty noobed, and can't seem to get it
  going.

 It's quite simple, as far as soundcards go. Try the following:

 modprobe emu10k1

 Check the last lines of dmesg to see if it was recognized, and 
then add
 yourself to the audio group.

 ie. adduser me audio

 Logout and back in, and try an audio app.

 Mike

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audio cd

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

I'm having a problem loading any audio cds. I currently have KDE as a 
desktop and I can run mp3 and ogg files. I know the cables are plugged from 
the CDRW to the sound card because they work in Windows2000.
Is there something speical I need to do because this is a CDRW?

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blackdown java

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

Just exactly what is blackdown java? Is this java2 from sun? I installed 
j2sdk1.3 when I was in Redhat but since I converted, I'll need to install 
the appropriate software.
Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

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Re: audio cd

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Dennis,

I'm thinking that I should at least able to see the files in the cdrom 
directory. When I use konqueor to go in there, I see nothing. I also try to 
open the files using xmms. I have the audio plugin and it seems to be doing 
nothing. Data cds work fine and that's great but I'm one of those people 
that believe mp3 lose sound quality. I could convert them to ogg-vorbis 
because its really just so much better but at the same time, I have many 
many cds.

bp

From: Dennis Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio cd
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:34:01 +0100

Am 03.12.2002 um 16:21 schrieb Bruce Park:

 I'm having a problem loading any audio cds. I currently have KDE as a
 desktop and I can run mp3 and ogg files. I know the cables are plugged 
from
 the CDRW to the sound card because they work in Windows2000.
 Is there something speical I need to do because this is a CDRW?

CDRW is not different from CD-ROM as long as you don't try to write
something. Are you sure that your mixer channels are not muted?  Do
other sound sources work and/or respond to the mixer controls?

Regards,
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blackdown java

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Darryl,

So which one is more compliant? I know that there is an ANSI C/C++ but as 
far as JAVA is considered, I believe there isn't one. I think I'm leaning 
more towards the Sun side of JAVA since I've learned that Sun implemented 
JAVA.

bp

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CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: blackdown java
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:43:26 -0500

On 2002.12.03 16:35 Bruce Park wrote:
   Just exactly what is blackdown java? Is this java2 from sun? I installed 
j2sdk1.3 when I was in Redhat but since I converted, I'll need to install 
the appropriate software.
Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Sun has their implementation of the JDK/JRE for Linux. In addition, there's 
an implementation available from blackdown.org which was available before 
Sun's.

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Re: audio cd

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Matthew,

Thanks for posting suggestions. I see that a lot of Debian users are very 
friendly when it comes to helping out others unlike the Redhat mailing 
lists. With that being said, I think Redhat is going to ban me because I've 
been bad mouthing them eversince I installed Debian.
Anyhow, getting back to the point, I do NOT try to mount the audio cd. That 
would be disastrous. My /cdrom directory is also just pointing at 
/dev/cdrom. This in turn is pointing at /dev/hdc. How are your groups set up 
for these files? I think that this may be the problem.

bp

From: Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio cd
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:43:28 -0500

-- Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
(on Tuesday, 03 December 2002, 04:21 PM -0500):
 I'm having a problem loading any audio cds. I currently have KDE as a
 desktop and I can run mp3 and ogg files. I know the cables are plugged 
from
 the CDRW to the sound card because they work in Windows2000.
What program(s) are you using to listen to audio CDs? Are you trying to
mount them first? (you shouldn't) What device have you specified in your
audio cd player program for your CDRW? is it correct?

I don't use KDE, personally. I do use XMMS on a fairly regular basis,
however, and it is capable of playing audio cds. When I use it, I press
Ctrl-L (to load a Location), and type /cdrom. /cdrom is mapped in my
/etc/fstab to /dev/cdrom. This in turn is mapped to /dev/sr0, which in
turn is mapped to /dev/scd0. So, what I'm getting at is for you to
figure out what the device is, and make sure your cd playing software is
configured to grab that device. Most likely, if your CDRW is the only CD
drive you have, it should be /dev/cdrom, which will symlink to the
appropriate device.


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drivers

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

I am currently looking for two drivers for a microsoft sidewinder joystick. 
Currently, I'm using kernel 2.4.18.bf24. I found some drivers for earlier 
kernels but I'm afraid that I won't be able to use these in my kernel. Is 
there a site where all update drivers downloadable?

bp



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.Xresources file

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

I just recently realized that my .Xresources file is not being run everytime 
I log into my account. While I can easily put this in my .bashrc file and 
execute it with the xrdb command, I am trying to understand what's going on 
here. Can anyone tell me why this doesn't get executed everytime I log into 
my machine?

bp


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Re: new installation -- install lilo after making boot floppy

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
John,


From what I can see it looks like you should install it in the MBR. When you 
initially installed Lilo, it should have prompted you for that. It also 
should have prompted you to put everything into a menu so that you can 
easily choose which OS to boot without having to formally type the 
parameter. My real suggestion is for you to use Grub. It's a newer 
bootloader and I personally think it serves a better function. I myself 
actually need to install it since I too just installed debian on my system.
HTH

bp

From: John Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new installation -- install lilo after making boot floppy
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:16:11 -0700

Hi,

I just installed GNU/Linux using the compact boot floppies onto my
boss's windows 98 computer.  He has 2 hard drives, the first, hda
devoted to windows 98, and the second drive hdb devoted to linux.
At the end of the installation, when it says make the system bootable, I
decided to go ahead and make a boot floppy instead of overwriting the
MBR with lilo (if that is the right terminology).  I was afraid of
making his machine unbootable with windows 98 and the boot floppy
approach seemed to be the safe route.  After making the boot floppy, I
rebooted and finished the installation (I should note that booting from
the floppy was painfully slow, is this normal?), and everything seemed
fine.  However, I would like to go ahead and use lilo and install
things in the MBR of the first hard drive hda (now used by windows 98)
and let lilo control the booting of either windows or linux.

Is there an easy way to get lilo set up so that it can boot up either
windows 98 or linux?  Do I need to run just lilo or do I also have to
run mbr-activate?  I have read through the installation guide and have
taken a look at the Manual.txt.gz in the lilo documentation.  It seems
that the install program makes setting up lilo fairly easy (during
installation) and wondered if I should go back to the installer to make
the system bootable, or do it from the command line after editing
/etc/lilo.conf.

Note, I have installed the compact flavor (i386) on a single drive
system that was just running Debian and on a mac 68K and powerpc, but
don't have any experience with lilo in a dual boot situation.  I don't
want to render my bosses windows 98 setup unusable if I can certainly
help it.  Any guidance would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

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audio problem restated

2002-12-03 Thread Bruce Park
Hello Debian users,

 I'm going to restate my problem regarding this audio cd problem that I'm 
having. But first, I would like to thank all those that have contributed in 
this matter.
 I am currently running kernel 2.4.18-bf24. I have a IDE-CDRW from LG. I'm 
running KDE3.0.5 and I have XMMS with the cd-read plugin. I have absolutely 
no trouble at all reading data cds as a normal user. With this being said, I 
don't think it's a group related problem. When I run XMMS from the shell, I 
get this error:
libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Would that error possible cause all this nuisance? If indeed when it does 
read an audio-cd, what exactly happens? Does a new window pop open with the 
cd tracks? If I were to browse /cdrom with konqueror, would I see such audio 
files?

bp

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Re: weird X effect

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Rob,

I am currently using this in my .Xresources:
lucidasanstypewriter-12 (xfonts-75dpi).
It worked fine in twm and this is the default font I've always been using. 
I'm very picky about fonts in my system. What's weird is this started 
happening when I installed sawfish-gnome and when I was running kde. In 
fact, that picture was taken in KDE. There are lots of things wrong in KDE 
right now as far as I'm concerned so I'll have to fool around with it some 
more. I hope to resolve this problem soon for I cannot code in this font.

bp

From: Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: weird X effect
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:03:29 +1100

On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 10:30:07PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
 Hello all,

 Thanks to many generouse people's advise, I now removed xfonts-100dpi 
and
 am using xfonts-75dpi. Now one of the main reasons for this transition 
was
 to make emacs look nice but now it looks like there is a problem with
 graphics. Please look at the file attatchment and tell me what I can do 
to
 solve this problem. My assumption is that this has to do with ttf but 
since
 I'm a noob, I really can't say.
 As always, all help is greatly appreciated.

Ouch.  That's pretty ugly.  You can select a font using 'xfontsel', then
set it in ~/.Xresources with a line like this:

Emacs.font: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-*-*

Choose any font you like for the above, but emacs will not like a
non-fixed width font, iirc.  You might need to run
'xrdb -load ~/.Xresources' in your ~/.xsession.  Also, make sure you
disable 'make my apps pretend to look like KDE ones' in the KDE Control
Centre under Themes, IIRC.  It just looks crap.

-rob
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stability in KDE3 and Gnome2

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

Exactly how stable is KDE3 and Gnome2? It seems to me that Gnome2 still is 
having a lot of problems but I'm really not sure about KDE3.

bp


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audio problems

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

 I have a sound blaster live value card and it seems that I cannot get this 
to work. I have this driver 'EMU10k1' for this card. When I try to play an 
mp3 using xmms, at the prompt it tells me that it cannot access /dev/dsp. 
Then xmms pops open a window with three things basically asking me it cannot 
access sound, to check if I'm blocking the audio device.
 I'm running KDE 2.2 and have the appropriate audio library already in 
place. Can anyone help me figure out this mistery?

bp




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Re: audio problems

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Dennis,

I killed the arts daemon and I'm still getting erros. These are the two 
erros on the shlle prompt:

libkimod.so.2: cannot open object file: No such file or directory.
Then when I hit the play button:

** warning **: oss_open() failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission 
denied.

As for the other window, it's just tellin me to check that everything is 
correct. I'm currenty using OSS driver or esound. They both don't work. What 
else should I check out?

bp


From: Dennis Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio problems
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:27:50 +0100

Am 02.12.2002 um 13:09 schrieb Bruce Park:

  I have a sound blaster live value card and it seems that I cannot
 get this to work. I have this driver 'EMU10k1' for this card. When
 I try to play an mp3 using xmms, at the prompt it tells me that it
 cannot access /dev/dsp.  Then xmms pops open a window with three
 things basically asking me it cannot access sound, to check if I'm
 blocking the audio device.  I'm running KDE 2.2 and have the
 appropriate audio library already in place. Can anyone help me
 figure out this mistery?

KDE uses a sound daemon named artsd, which opens the dsp device
when you start KDE. Every program that wants to play sound has to
use this sound server. You have several options (in order of
preference):

  - Use the arts output plugin for xmms
  - Use the artsdsp command
  - Kill artsd


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Re: where to download KDE

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Alan,

I just ran updates these and tried to run apt-get kdebase. Somewhere down 
the line, files can't open and it finally failes. Do you have this problem 
too or is it just me?

bp

From: Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: where to download KDE
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:36:00 +

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Hash: SHA1

On Monday 02 December 2002 3:35 am, Bruce Park wrote:
 Hello all,

 I read that I should use:
 http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2
 as the source for my kde packages however, when I run 'apt-get update', 
I
 get errors regarding 'Packages' not being found. I got this from the KDE
 website so I'm thinking, what should I do?

These are the best I have found (change sid to woody if you are running 
woody
in the first line here).  The first line is the core of kde, the other two
are extras, like kdevelop etc

deb ftp://download.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian/ sid/
deb http://people.debian.org/~bab/ kde3/
deb http://people.debian.org/~njordan/ kde3.0/

Apologies if these are SLIGHTLY wrong - I had to manually reconstruct them
from my apt-proxy.conf and sources.list lines.


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Re: audio problems

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Dennis,

Exactly how do I add myself to the audio group? I feel rather embarrased 
that I have to ask this question after using UNIX for three years but I 
never had to admin stuff like this at school. I also fear that you are 
correct about this problem. When I run KDE as root, it works fine.

bp

From: Dennis Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio problems
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:14:13 +0100

Am 02.12.2002 um 14:49 schrieb Bruce Park:

 ** warning **: oss_open() failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp):
 Permission denied.

 As for the other window, it's just tellin me to check that everything is
 correct. I'm currenty using OSS driver or esound. They both don't work.
 What else should I check out?

What information does ls -l /dev/dsp* give you?

As Micheal said, check the permissions on /dev/dsp. It should be
writable for the audio group. Also, make sure your user account is a
member of that group.


Regards,
Dennis

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Re: audio problems

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Mike,

Adding myself to the user did the trick. Thanks to everyone that helped.

bp


From: Mike Strean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: audio problems
Date: 02 Dec 2002 17:12:16 -0600

you can do this w/ adduser

adduser (your username) audio

Good Luck!

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 16:57, Bruce Park wrote:
 Dennis,

 Exactly how do I add myself to the audio group? I feel rather embarrased
 that I have to ask this question after using UNIX for three years but I
 never had to admin stuff like this at school. I also fear that you are
 correct about this problem. When I run KDE as root, it works fine.

 bp

 From: Dennis Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: audio problems
 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:14:13 +0100
 
 Am 02.12.2002 um 14:49 schrieb Bruce Park:
 
   ** warning **: oss_open() failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp):
   Permission denied.
  
   As for the other window, it's just tellin me to check that 
everything is
   correct. I'm currenty using OSS driver or esound. They both don't 
work.
   What else should I check out?
 
 What information does ls -l /dev/dsp* give you?
 
 As Micheal said, check the permissions on /dev/dsp. It should be
 writable for the audio group. Also, make sure your user account is a
 member of that group.
 
 
 Regards,
 Dennis
 
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kdm root login

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

For security reasons, I'd rather the root user NOT be able to login through 
kdm. Currently in /etc/kde3/dkm/kdmrc, I have  AllowRootLogin set to false. 
However, I can log in as root at kdm. What do I need to change in?

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setting up USB

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I'm still having difficulty in setting up my USB mouse for woody. Since I am 
currently kernel 2.4.bf2.4, my assumption is that the USB drivers are 
already loaded. When I setup X, I chose /dev/input/mice for the my mouse 
path. Is there anyone that can help me getting this correct?
As always, all help is greatly appreciated.

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getting rid of xfonts-100dpi

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I'm trying to get rid of xfonts-100dpi and instead use xfonts-75dpi. 
However, when I try to remove that package:
apt-get remove xfonts-100dpi
apt states that it will also remove x-window-system and 
w-window-system-core. I know that these packages should not be removed so 
what can I do make xfonts-75dpi the default target?

bp

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Re: usb mouse

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Nate,

I fixed the problem. I actually had to put mousedev in the file 
/etc/modules or X wouldn't start. Also, usbcore, hid, and usb-ohci aren't 
being used. I got rid of them and things still run fine. Just wanted to say, 
thanks for the help.

bp

From: nate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: usb mouse
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:32:59 -0800 (PST)

Bruce Park said:

 Hello all,

 I have a MS Wheel Mouse Optical plugged into the usb port in my pc. This
 mouse has two buttons and a scroller.
 It seems to me that my X-Server won't start because it doesn't recognize
 /dev/input/mice. I've read somewhere you need to load the usb modules
 before  you can use them. Since I just finished installing
 debian(2.4.bf24), how can  I install the usb modules?

I would expect the bf24 kernel to have the modules. lookin at the config
file it does. So, for me it was pretty easy, I migrated my laptop to
2.4.20 a couple days ago and usb was a snap(about as easy as with
2.2.x.

what i did:

modprobe hid
modprobe mousedev

that loaded the drivers for my logitech mouseman marble wheel.
I already had my device, I use /dev/usbmouse:

crw-rw1 root root  13,  63 Feb 17  2002 /dev/usbmouse

that would be:

mknod /dev/usbmouse c 13 63

then I configured X to use this device and it worked fine. I already
had X configured since I had usb workin in 2.2.19 as well. I don't
have my USB load on boot, it seems to conflict with my sound, so
I only load it when I need it.

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configuring X

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I've got a few questions regarding X. I hope that someone can help me to 
solve these problems.
1. I need to configure X so that I can use xfont-75dpi. I currently have 
xfont-100dpi and I cannot get rid of this since it will get rid of the 
x-window-system as well. So, can anyone please help me on how to configure 
this?
2. I currently have twm. I would like to get rid of this and use sawfish. If 
and when I install sawfish, do I need to reconfigure X again?

All help is greatly appreciated.

bp

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correction USB mouse

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I previously wrote that all I need to do was add mousedev into 
/etc/modules. Although that actually worked, when I rebooted X, I couldn't 
move my mouse anymore. I apologize for the error.

bp



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Re: configuring X

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Colin,

 Actually, I did read the mail. What happened earlier was that I removed 
xterm and it removed x-window-system and x-window-system-core. Afterwars, 
mozilla was behaving weird so I decided to ignore your message.
However, it seems to be running fine now. I don't know what I did but as far 
as I can remeber, that was the only thing that I did.
 As for twm, I'll get rid of it and see what happens. Thanks for the help.

bp


From: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bruce Park [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: configuring X
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:12:42 +

On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 07:53:11PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
 I've got a few questions regarding X. I hope that someone can help me to
 solve these problems.
 1. I need to configure X so that I can use xfont-75dpi. I currently have
 xfont-100dpi and I cannot get rid of this since it will get rid of the
 x-window-system as well. So, can anyone please help me on how to 
configure
 this?

I answered your question on this earlier today. I guess you aren't
subscribed to the list? If not, it would help if you requested to be
copied on replies.

My answer was Don't worry about removing those [x-window-system and
x-window-system-core]. They're just convenience packages.

 2. I currently have twm. I would like to get rid of this and use 
sawfish.
 If and when I install sawfish, do I need to reconfigure X again?

No. You just need to use 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager'
to make sawfish the default, and/or change your .xsession script if you
have one.

(Actually, sawfish will probably become the default anyway once
installed, if I remember the priorities correctly, but
update-alternatives is a useful thing to be aware of anyway.)

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weird X effect

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

Thanks to many generouse people's advise, I now removed xfonts-100dpi and am 
using xfonts-75dpi. Now one of the main reasons for this transition was to 
make emacs look nice but now it looks like there is a problem with graphics. 
Please look at the file attatchment and tell me what I can do to solve this 
problem. My assumption is that this has to do with ttf but since I'm a noob, 
I really can't say.
As always, all help is greatly appreciated.

bp




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where to download KDE

2002-12-01 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I read that I should use:
http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2
as the source for my kde packages however, when I run 'apt-get update', I 
get errors regarding 'Packages' not being found. I got this from the KDE 
website so I'm thinking, what should I do?

bp

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different flavors

2002-11-30 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I'm not sure which flavor to install on my system. After reading the 
manuals, it seems that most USB drivers are within b2f.4 flavor. Is this 
correct? Also, I only have cd1 one of the debian cds. The default boot 
prompt without any argument is designated for the idepci flavor. At the boot 
prompt, can I just type b2f.4 although I'm using disk1?

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cfdisk

2002-11-30 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

  I'm fooling around with cfdisk and wanted to ask the superiors about 
something. I plan to dual boot this with windows 2000. On the first 
partition because I've had disatrous results when windows is NOT on the 
first partition. Anyhow, now I've created a boot partition and after I enter 
the size, a new menu pops up with Beginning, End, and Cancel. Since there is 
already a first partition, do I now choose End?
 I'll also need to create the swap and root partition. What do I choose 
when this menu pops out again? All help is greatly appreciated.

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cfdisk revisited

2002-11-30 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

First, thanks for all those to that replied with the original question.
OK, I have more question regarding cfdisk. I've successfully created the 
boot, swap, and root partition. Here are some questions that still linger in 
my head.
1. Should I make the /boot bootable? I'm dual booting with Windows2000 and 
the bootable flag is defaulted to /dev/hda1(w2k). I've been using redhat 
linux before with grub. Still it seems like I should make /boot bootable. 
Should I? Also, what file system type should this be? It is defaulted at 
ext3
2. The size of /boot is another question. From the previous installation of 
linux. it is at 49MB. I've read that this should be 10MB. I plan to install 
grub later when the installation is over. Which size is more desiarable?
3. File system type for the root paritition; I would like to use ext3 but I 
cannot find the corresponding number for it. Does woody support ext3? I'm 
thinking the only thing that I can use it 83 which is just Liunx.

As always, all help is greatly appreciated.

bp

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apt after installation

2002-11-30 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I have now succesfully installed debian a second time with DHCP. =)
The first thing I wanted to install was emacs and I tried this command as 
root:
apt-get install emacs

And I got the follwing error:
-
E: Package emacs has no installation candidate
Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
Package emacs has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
--

The first thing I thought was that maybe the package name was wrong. Is 
there a simple way to view all the packages say via a file? If there were 
such a file, then I could pipe the result to grep and get the package name 
rather easily.
Second, I was thinking of running like an apt-get upgrade or something along 
those lines. Because I just installed debian, I'm really new to this so I 
don't know what needs to be done in order for everything to work.
As always, all help is greatly appreciated.

bp

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usb mouse

2002-11-30 Thread Bruce Park

Hello all,

I have a MS Wheel Mouse Optical plugged into the usb port in my pc. This 
mouse has two buttons and a scroller.
It seems to me that my X-Server won't start because it doesn't recognize 
/dev/input/mice. I've read somewhere you need to load the usb modules before 
you can use them. Since I just finished installing debian(2.4.bf24), how can 
I install the usb modules?

bp

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setting up internet connection

2002-11-29 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

 I just finished installing the base system for debian. Even though I don't 
have anything on it right now, it's still better than Redhat.
 OK, unlike what I thought would happen, when I was installing debian, it 
never prompted me if I wanted for internet configuration. I figure that this 
is the most important thing for me since I plan to get more software through 
this method. How can I set up dhcp so that it gets all the necessary 
information for my pc? I'm using road runner and I can also get info through 
ipconfig but I'd rather use dhcp unless someone can give me a good reason 
not to.
 All help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: UNIX shells - Bourne and C

2002-11-10 Thread Bruce Park
Bob,

After doing some research, I found out that ash is a clone of a bourne shell 
from BSD. I was using this last night and I really couldn't find anything 
that differs from the real shell. Now, what can I do about the C shell and 
the Korn shell? Are those also not free?
I'm doing a lot of shell scripting and people are saying that C wasn't 
designed for it. I'm sure they are right because I'm reading about it and it 
says that bourne shell scripts are the best since they run faster than C. In 
reality, I problably would use Perl to do everything but right now, the 
focus is on learning each individual shell to see how and why they differ.

bp

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POSIX shell

2002-11-10 Thread Bruce Park
What exactly is a POSIX shell?

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UNIX shells - Bourne and C

2002-11-09 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

Just wanted to know, does debian linux include the Bourne and C shell? In 
redhat, they are a symbolic link to bash and tcsh respectively.

bp




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Re: UNIX shells - Bourne and C

2002-11-09 Thread Bruce Park
Josh,

I plan to install bash and tcsh. I'm currently running bash under redhat(I'm 
waiting to for a new release for debian) and I use it all the time. The only 
reason why I want the original UNIX shells is to test some scripts that I'm 
writing.

bp

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Re: X - window manager - desktop

2002-11-08 Thread Bruce Park
From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: X - window manager - desktop
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0800

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 01:35:33AM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
 the X? What exactly is a window manager? twm, enlightment, sawfish ... I

The window manager handles things like window title bars, resizing,
and other basic window elements.  You can run X without a window
manager, though you won't be able to manipulate windows easy or as
extensively as you can with a window manager.


So window manager is optional but not really necessary?


 Then there is the desktop like gnome or kde which are just desktops. Can
 anyone explain this to me?

Desktop environments sit above the window manager similar to how
window managers sit above X.  The desktop environment provides things
like iconic drag and drop representation of your filesystem, usually a
Windows/Macish toolbelt, etc., oriented towards being a replacement to
actually using the command line.  Some people find desktop
environments useful, I find them slow, bloated and a shiny, chrome
waste of space.  YMMV.


Paul, I too find having a desktop unnecessary. I do prefer using the command 
line most of the time because it's quicker. By the time I reach for my 
mouse, I've already wasted a good second when I could have type 5 or more 
characters. The reason why I want a desktop is purely for its looks. other 
times, I may use nautilus to peek at a page with 2 files and I dont' know 
which is which. Sure I can use a UNIX command to do this but sometimes this 
is easier and neater. Another reason why I like to have it is because I love 
having multiple emacs windows open. I usually open 2 files in one window and 
have about 2 more windows open when I'm developing software. Here, the mouse 
comes in handy but thats because I haven't gotten used using the alt-tab key 
yet.

Now for my next question, do desktops such as gnome and kde require a 
specific version of window manager?

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sound enhancing software?

2002-11-07 Thread Bruce Park
Hello all,

I was wandering, what sound enhancing software are available for linux? I 
hate to make the comparison with Windows but one of the reasons why I keep 
it is because of soundblaster live's audio hq and sound mixer.

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Re: gui c/c++ programming

2002-10-15 Thread Bruce Park

I would really recommend using emacs to program in c or c++ because many 
companies require development work under unix/linux environment but I 
believe MS has some tools regarding GUI with c and c++.

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emacs-nox

2002-10-13 Thread Bruce Park

Hello,

Does anyone know where I can find the package for emacs-nox20.7-1? I looked 
on the main site for debian but I couldn't find it.

bp

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official debian cds

2002-10-09 Thread Bruce Park

Hello,

Can anyone tell me which cds I should download if I want to install gnome 
with workstation like environment? I know that there are seven cds including 
the non-us but I've read that you really don't need to download more the 
third cd.

bp


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installation cds

2002-10-08 Thread Bruce Park

Hello,

I was just wandering, it seems like the latest version has this thing called 
flavors where you decide what type of installation you want to do 
regarding your hardware. So, is it OK for me to JUST download disk 2 that 
contains the vanilla flavor? Will this include all the necessary kernel 
files and software packages such as gnome and gcc.. etc?

bp


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apt questions

2002-10-08 Thread Bruce Park

Hello all,

I'm a newbie in this debian world so please be patient with me.
I'm trying to undestand everything about debian before I can install them 
and I was hoping that some one can answer my question.
It seems that debian has three ways to install packages.
1) dpkg
2) apt
3) dselect

My question is, when I first install the debian system, it scanned several 
cds to update it's database for apt. If I start using apt, will it know 
which cd to get the packages from? Will it also take care of any 
dependencies that it may have? For example, if I installed the apache 
webserver or the gnome desktop, will it install the appropritate packages 
that it needs for it to run?

All help is greatly appreciated.

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partioning for dual boot

2002-10-06 Thread Bruce Park

Hello all,

I didn't see a mail list for installation problems so I decided to try this 
group. If this is the wrong place for this, I apologize in advance.

I'm trying to install a debian system but I need to have the partition set 
up correctly.
I currently have Windows and Redhat linux on my hard drive. Linux partition 
this as follows:

locationstart endfs
- -----
/dev/hda
  /dev/hda1 1 2246   NTFS
  /dev/hda2 2247  2252   ext3
  /dev/hda3 2253  3583   ext3
  /dev/hda4 3589  3649   extended
  /dev/hda4 3589  3649   linux swap

According to my theory, it looks like /dev/hda2 is the boot sector. Is this 
correct?
I'd like to install debian on this existing partition. I'm assuming that I 
can leave this as is and debian will write to the appropriate sections of 
the hard drive. Can anyone tell me if I should change this or is it OK to 
leave this as is?
All help is greatly appreciated.

bp

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