Re: Complied into debs please (Python/Emacs packagers take note)
On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 02:19:49PM +, Lazarus Long wrote: What is the point of pre-compiling C code before packaging it into .debs? If you can answer that, apply that answer to Python code. The C ABI is rather more stable than that for Python (or Emacs). Taking away the precompiled aspect of Debian is certainly not in keeping with point 4 of the Social Contract. That argument seems to be getting trotted out with depressing frequency recently, often associated with a lack of willingness to discuss things or work with people. Perhaps if we focus on trying to solve problems rather than on screaming and flaming every time something does not seem 100% optimal then needs of our users might find themselves taken care of along the way? -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. pgpx8B11N1wqi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kdebaselibs-Problem
On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:21:28PM +0100, Andreas Rottmann wrote: Please tell the exact errors, otherwise nobody can tell what is happening. If it's the same error I'm seeing then: (Reading database ... 79805 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking kdebase-libs (from .../kdebase-libs_4%3a2.1.1.0-10_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-libs_4%3a2.1.1.0-10_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde2/kio_help.la', which is also in package kdelibs3 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) /me notes that unstable tends to be rather more stable and useful than testing. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever.
Re: exploring debian's users and groups
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:41:31PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: HELP: I notice that /etc/news/leafnode/config and even /etc/news are here owned by news.news. Which is odd, because those arn't things the programs should be editing on the fly. What gives? The package is buggy. The package would like the configuration file to be readable by a program that is running as user news without being world readable since it may contain passwords in plain text. The group news could probably go, though. In the Leafnode package /etc/news is owned by root.root, so I don't know where the news.news there came from. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever.
Re: exploring debian's users and groups
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:07:13AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: Why do it that way around instead of ownership root.news, mode 0640? That way a program running as group news would be able to read it, but modifications would remain restricted to root. No particular reason other than that that's what I inherited when I took over the package (IIRC). I'll give that a spin - I think everything runs with appropriate rights. [Cutting out most of the CCs] -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever.
Re: Software for making phone calls?
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:10:02PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: Any software for Linux to let you make phone calls via the computer? There's also OpenH323, which should interoperate with NetMeeting. It's not packaged for Debian yet but someone is working on it. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpuFYXCKlybw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anything on CD to read GIFF in Gimp?
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 12:31:52PM +0100, Jonathan Gift wrote: Title says it all really. Any add on to red and write GIF? Thanks. Installing the gimp-nonfree package will allow GIMP to read and write GIF files. As the name suggests, it's in non-free so it won't be on official CDs but it might be on vendor-modified CDs and it is on the FTP site. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Mail not bouncing back on errors?
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:47:48PM +0100, Jonathan Gift wrote: Boy, lot's of help from you... I should have been more clear, errors are not returning. I'm ued to getting mail bounced by on errors. it's not happening and I wonder what in my present setup is doing that. It happened in W98 Outlook and I've recently moved over to fetchmail/procmail. I tested it by sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it just went. No return with can't find it, etc... According to the headers from smartlist your mail is coming out with an envelope sender of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Since this is the address to which bounce messages are sent and that address is invalid any bounces you cause are being dropped on the floor (or being sent to the postmaster of the bouncing site). You should be able to see this happening by e-mailing an invalid address on your local system and watching it bounce. How to fix this depends onhow you've got your local mail system configured. I always used to have Exim rewrite local sender addresses into something that was usable on the internet - there is/was a section to the end of exim.conf with an example of how to do this. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Sendmail
On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:45:25PM +, Sergio Matos wrote: [Please trim material not needed for context - there's no need to replicate the entire message to which you're replying] I want to prevent users from the intranet to send mail to the internet. Presumably this could be done by not allowing your mail server to relay mail for machines on the intranet. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Sendmail
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 04:53:45PM +, Sergio Matos wrote: I'm needing help about sendmail. How can I config sendmail to reject mails to outside my domain? What exactly is it you're trying to do? If you're trying to prevent non-local users from submitting mail to it then that should be the case with a default configuration - it will reject all non-local mail unless it's been told otherwise (eg, it's the final destination). You may wish to consider using another MTA instead of sendmail - it's probably the hardest Unix MTA to configure. Other MTAs like Postfix or Exim can be much simpler. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Postfix delivers more than once
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 12:12:43AM +0100, Andre Berger wrote: Yes, I found these messages. But now, what can I do? I have a script that cuts the line as soon as the other scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ have finished. How can I resp. the script make sure Postfix isn't just in the middle of its job? You could have it look at the output of mailq for message IDs with '*' next to them (which means that a delivery is currently being attempted for that message). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Postfix delivers more than once
On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:28:09PM +1100, Brian May wrote: Anyway, worth checking for something along these lines in your log files... See if any delivery attempts are marked as failed for some reason and/or if Postfix makes multiple attempts to send the mail. It's most likely to have happened when Postfix got a timeout waiting to a response to the end of DATA, in which case Postfix logs a message saying mail may be delivered more than once. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Exim, RBL/ORBS, fetchmail and POP3
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:41:11PM -0500, John Bacalle wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 08:23:50PM -0600, Phil Brutsche wrote: exim's blackholing only works if the messages are delivered direct to your computer and not via fetchmail. Are you absolutely sure? I ask because the fetchmail man page makes it sound like it can do just that. SPAM FILTERING Many SMTP listeners allow administrators to set up `spam filters' that block unsolicited email from specified domains. A MAIL FROM or DATA line that triggers this fea ^ This is the part that really widens my eyes. Doing a 'fetchmail -vv log' and looking at the output shows what is going on between fetchmail and my MTA as it downloads my POP3 mail from my ISP. There are more kinds of filtering than just RBL filtering. It's possible to reject based on things like the sender address or the contents of the message. This fetchmail/MTA/RBL thing seems so natural to me that I can't believe it hasn't been done, or is being done for POP3 users. How would you suggest it be implemented? The idea behingd the various blacklists is that they filter based on the IP address of the host sending the mail. With fetchmail all your mail will come from the one IP address so a normal MTA implementation won't do much good. You can try grovelling through the headers of the mail, but that's extremely hard to do relaibly and not something that most MTA authors would consider implementing. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: postfix: local mail goes to relayhost!
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 02:01:36AM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: mydestinations = jojda, localhost, jojda.2y.net That should be mydestination. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp7jWObQVXai.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix config (network unreachable?)
On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 01:03:01AM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: I can ping crick, I can also telnet (using default telnet port) without problems but when I do telnet crick.fmed.uniba.sk 25 from command line I get the same message (network is unreachable, but only when using port 25). netscape mail agent works fine, it does not try to directly deliver mail but uses my ISP mail server. Your ISP is apparently firewalling port 25. Configure Postfix to deliver via your ISP like Netscape does (relayhost = whatever). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpdmaxwL8PkZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix: what's local?
On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 01:15:09AM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: main.cf:destinations = jojda, localhost however, postfix is confused, when I send email it tries to connect to jojda.2y.net and then get jojda back as hostname, compalins and does not send email, here's relevant part of syslog: There's a bug in the Debian configuration scripts for Postfix - the parameter which controls which domains Postfix considers local is actually called mydestination. What you're specifying seems reasonable, although you'll need to specify the domain part of your hostname if you're using that in local e-mail. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpQYKt5zVdaJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: exim thru firewall
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 06:50:17PM -0600, ktb wrote: What I'm trying to do is send mail from my debian box (potato) through my firewall (openbsd) to my isp. Could someone give me some pointers on how to get this done? So long as your firewall passes through TCP port 25 there should be no particular problem with outbound mail - the output of eximconfig should just work. Could you perhaps show some logging from Exim (look in /var/log/exim/mainlog) showing what exactly is failing? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpHE36ttb9Ew.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: fetchnews running automatically?
does fetchnews install some cron/anacron/etc. script which makes it fetch news automatically? I have created a crontab entry which runs fetchnews every 4 hours, but it seems to me like it is run more often that every 4 hours... If you mean the fetchnews from Leafnode, then if you have selected a PPP network connection it will be run every time you dial in. If you select a permanent network connection it will run from cron.daily. Otherwise it shouldn't run automatically unless you set up a cron job or something. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: final help for build php4 with oci8 on debian
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 12:39:23PM +0100, Jaume Teixi wrote: After doing some improvements, finally I get this errors so its a libmm11-dev issue.. as I explained before, I'm on potato, I've compiled libmm11-dev from source. Could you explain exactly what it is you are doing and why you think libmm is at fault? /usr/src/php4-4.0.3pl1/ext/session/mod_mm.c:94: undefined reference to `mm_malloc' This looks like you're not even linking with libmm, although since you don't even provide the compilation command that generates the failure it's rather hard to tell. Please, if you think you have found a fault in libmm could you file a bug against the package (see bugs.debian.org for details) with instructions for reproducing the bug. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpHlZTfrtEKB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Q: GCC: bash: a.out: command not found?
On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 01:17:02PM +0100, Jonathan Gift wrote: GCC: bash: a.out: command not found I got a feeling this is a path isue. But to what? I tried the gcc readme, the FAQ online and on disk. Nothing. Try ./a.out. By default the current directory is not on your path. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Problems sending e-mail
On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 01:52:01PM +, Ekkehard Kraemer wrote: It seems like you're connecting via T-Online, but want to use your university SMTP server to send mails. The SMTP server sees that your machine is pD4B9F445.dip.t-dialin.net, but your From: is something other (whatever mail address you're using). So it assumes that you're a spammer or something like that and doesn't accept the mail. While your suggested solution is correct this explanation is bogus. Relay controls are generally implemented by looking at the IP address of the connecting system rather than the headers or the names specified in SMTP (although it is common to check that the sender domain actually exists). Anything else is too simple to forge. Where relaying from variable IP addresses is used some kind of authentication (such as POP before SMTP) is needed. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp7vSb4fuwRV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: erroneous spam bounces (was [FETCHMAIL-DAEMON@miraculix.lanworks.de: ])
On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:41:38AM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: The attached message is one of roughly 30 spam bounces I've had from this domain. I believe they've improperly configured their mailer on Thursday or Friday of last week to do DNS lookups of the incoming host, and they're incorrectly trying to resolve ix.netcom.com rather than netcom.com. Your From: header says ix.netcom.com and there appears to be no mention of netcom.com elsewhere. It appears to be perfectly reasonable to check ix.netcom.com. Diagnostic-Code: 501 5.1.8 kmself@ix.netcom.com... Domain of sender address kmself@ix.netcom.com does not exist If you look at the bounce you'll see that the mail made it onto the remote system but when the user tried to download it their spam filters rejected it, apparently because they have DNS checks enabled but hosed DNS (ix.netcom.com has MX records). I rather suspect that nobody can e-mail this user and that e-mail to postmaster will work. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpmwI0kSu8Qq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pop-authenticate before SMTP?
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:00:17PM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: Moritz, If you can give me/us all the rundown on how to acheive this, or point to some good docs that would be great. Tried ages ago on mandrake but ran foul of the DUL list You'll still run into problems with the DUL. The simplest thing to do would probably be to use the relay provided by your ISP (which shouldn't need any authentication) or use a real authentication method for outbound mail such as client certificates in TLS or UUCP over TCP. If you must stick with POP before SMTP then you might find that configuring fetchmail and then starting it in daemon mode from your ip-up scripts before the MTA starts trying to deliver outbound mail would do the trick. You may find putting in a sleep before firing the queue helps. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpxCT9HDCbT6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Whiteboard Software
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Robert Kerr wrote: software is out there that I could use in this situation? Is there apt-cache search whiteboard says: | nte - shared text editor designed for use on the Mbone. | vat - LBNL audio conferencing tool over the internet. YMMV. anything that will work with NetMeeting? The OpenH323 project has an H.323 client which interoprates with NetMeeting for voice and video calls but won't do the whiteboard. No H.323 client is going to interact well with a firewall - H.323 relies on dynamically assigned UDP and TCP connections in both directions, which makes it pretty much impossible to pass through a firewall safely unless the firewall understands H.323 or you run a H.323 to H.323 gateway on the firewall. If you're using NAT the situation is worse (it's not just a case of opening the firewall, it's just basically impossible to make the connection without the active assistance of the NAT box). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpzNHwjG3hpN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Mailing list help (was Re: GnuPG: prblem installing on Woody)
On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 11:23:54AM -0400, Chris Gray wrote: When you say post output of command list, you probably have some idea what's going on but want confirmation (otherwise, you'd just be adding noise). Often that's not the case - people frequently ask questions but don't provide nearly enough information to debug a problem. You can start guessing at possible causes, but there's a fair chance you'll end up picking the wrong one and/or being more confusing than just asking for the information needed to work things out. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpkp71ynEAi9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can apt be steered?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:51:50AM -0700, Michael Epting wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Andre Berger wrote: Michael Epting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't know about --dummy-run. I just searched man apt-get and man dpkg and neither contains the word 'dummy'. I'll give that a shot. It's -s, or --dry-run (man apt-get) I use -s all the time. I doesn't show version information or where the file is coming from. So it doesn't help with helix or tdyc 'conflicts'. In that case you'd have to fall back on doing a download with no install I guess - when you download stuff it should you the site you're hitting and the version number it's fetching while the download is in progress. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpB1775oMmdR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can apt be steered?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:41:48AM -0700, Michael Epting wrote: The problem is that apt-get offers no means of choosing a site source on a per-package basis. That is, I want to offer preferential treatment to Helix for Gnome stuff and maybe to tydc for KDE2 stuff (or maybe to Or alternatively, the problem is that these extrenal packages don't have correct dependancies. If they won't work with the standard Debian packages they should be set up so that the standard Debian packages won't satisfy their dependancies. debian.org -- my current workaround is to comment out the tydc lines in my sources.list and KDE2 is working much better just now). So far, I have been unable to find a way to figure out in advance what package versions apt is going to install, much less which site they are going to come from. apt should install the package with the highest version number it can find. You can watch what it's getting while it's downloading (or use --dummy-run to do a dummy run). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpWUaUozDIpl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can apt be steered?
On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:45:53AM -0700, Michael Epting wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:55:41PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: apt should install the package with the highest version number it can find. You can watch what it's getting while it's downloading (or use --dummy-run to do a dummy run). I didn't know about --dummy-run. I just searched man apt-get and man dpkg and neither contains the word 'dummy'. I'll give that a shot. Umm.. Perhaps it's --dry-run. There's a whole bunch of synonyms. I agree that the source of the problem is with the alternate packagers, Helix and tdyc. They could very easily fix the problem by changing the names of their packages, possibly by making helix/tdyc part of the package names (rather than, in Helix's case, part of the package version). However, the rest of us cannot control their activities, nor those of debian.org. Having a workaround in apt would only fix part of the problem. Once you've got them onto the system you still have the same problem (packages claiming to be things they aren't) but you've lost the source information. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgphdRCYEjgUs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can apt be steered?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:19:49PM -0700, Michael Epting wrote: is, we get kde2 package combinations that don't work. I'm beginning to think there is a serious fundamental problem with apt... Not really. If the packages don't work together then the packages should have dependancies saying that. It might be desirable to have facilities to work around buggy packages like that, but in general the current behaviour (believe the information provided by the packages) is perfectly sensible. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpO6vocjfQxt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt should be called inapt (rhymes with inept)
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:13:21PM -0700, Joe Emenaker wrote: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote: So uh, why did you let it? I presume this would have been your response if I had reported that 'vi' had deleted my kernel images, too? :) Why did I let it?!?! Because I was never asked. I asked apt to install and I ended up without some critical packages. Were you running with --assume-yes or something similar? Normally if you try to apt-get install something that requires anything beyond the exact change specified on the command line you get a prompt like this: # apt-get install mesag-glide2-dev Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libglide2 libglide2-dev mesag3-glide2 The following packages will be REMOVED: libutahglx-dev libutahglx1 The following NEW packages will be installed: libglide2 libglide2-dev mesag-glide2-dev mesag3-glide2 0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 2 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 1784kB of archives. After unpacking 4922kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] which appears to be exactly what you're asking for. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpmHbjA0grHx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where is calculator?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: I'm sure I used to have a program called calculator (or xcalc?) in Slink, but it doesn't seem to be there in Potato. Is it in Woody? xcalc is in the xcontrib package, and should be avaliable in potato (I haven't checked, though). It is certainly avaliable in woody. There's also other programs that do the same job - try apt-cache search calculator for some suggestions. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpXTbVI32FSx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: easy apt-get
On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 06:41:47PM +0200, Marc Maute wrote: I have a deb file on my system how can I install it? Isnt it possible to install this pack. whitout to change etc/apt/aptlist ? And how must I do it? dpkg -i filename No need to do anything with apt. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpCzdCYvpZ21.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: /usr/share, why bother?
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 02:28:09AM -0600, Jeff Lessem wrote: Am I just dense, and such a setting is fully documented and I just need to rtfm? I know, disk space is real cheap, so wasting a few hundred meg per machine isn't a big deal, and there isn't really anything in /usr/share that I, as the administrator, need to be changing, but it is just the principle of the thing. I guess what I mean is, why call it share if it isn't meant to be shared? The FHS isn't just a Debian thing - it's intended to be a standard for all Linux distributions, making them more consistent with each other. That alone is a worthwhile thing. Besides, the intention is that dpkg should support this eventually so the packages are going to have to be modified at some point. It may as well be done before the changes are made in dpkg as after. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpf8F632kqKH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: mailing list, bounce-debian-user ?
On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 02:32:59PM -0500, will trillich wrote: i guess that this'll help cut down on the my.netvigator.com idiocy? No. Pretty much all mailing list software rewrites the envelope sender so that bounces don't go to individual subscribers. This has always been the case for Debian lists. The problem with netvigator is that their software is generating bounces to the From: line in the message (which is not rerwitten) rather than the envelope sender. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpxvYCZSsD4E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X-Strike-Force page?...
On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 02:06:49PM +0100, Max Lock wrote: Anyone know what's happened to the X strike force page? http://www.debian.org/~branden/ Our web server had a disk failure, meaning www.debian.org has temporarily been pointed at another machine. The user web pages weren't part of that move. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpP4dtObl5qe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IPsec and IPMasq/Proxy
On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 12:49:12PM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: I ran into some trouble using a Debian box as an IP Masq gateway (also running Squid) to a network which uses a VPN box employing IPsec. The ISP's tech support said that GNU/Linux was incapable of doing NAT properly with IPsec and that I'd have to kill the NAT and proxy to make things work. It shouldn't pose any problems - we use exactly this setup at work without ill-effects. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpemZILBqev5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Search for NAT or http proxy
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:41:42AM +, jblanche wrote: Dynamic IP address) I would need NAT module for Linux PPPC which would work with dynamic IP allocations for ppp (The NAT rule cannot be static..) The standard Linux kernel NAT can do this. If you tell the kernel to masquerade all packets with source addresses on your local network and leave the destination address unspecified then it will do the right thing. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpt9DRbBrWSj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: /var/spool/mail on NFS
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 10:12:18PM -0500, oneiros wrote: Use nfs-kernel-server, the userspace nfsd does not have the needed locking functionality. Plus, it's tons faster and a lot more reliable, which is always a good thing(tm). Better yet, use Maildir mailboxes. Locking over NFS isn't reliable. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpPTj1gNu2vb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: machines (ii)
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:13:47PM -0400, Mark Simos wrote: I am looking to put together a Debian based firewall and a mail server -how bad of an idea is it to host them on the same machine? (please explain how dumb it is, if so) Well, if someone cracks your firewall then they'll also get your mail and the mail server may provide an additional way into your firewall. OTOH, how much do you care? How much power would I need (CPU/RAM/HD) to make it (or each of them) work? How much load do you have? For a home system on a modem a 486 should handle the load from both quite happily. With a broadband connection you might want a somewhat more powerful CPU. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpK7JKqlcxRi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Postfix question
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 07:42:46PM +, Pollywog wrote: Will putting these hosts in the /etc/postfix/access list suffice? I just thought of that, but it's too simple ;) [One of the reasons for writing new text after old is that it provides valuable context which makes it much easier to understand messages. Anyway.] to be received. Is there some option in Postfix that would allow me to receive mail from certain hosts with bad HELO or hostname info while refusing all others? I know how to turn it off completely, but I want to be selective. I have read the docs but nothing applies. You also need to specify the access list in the appropriate smtpd restrictions class. check_client_access should do what you want. See /usr/share/doc/postfix/examples/sample-smtpd.cf.gz for details. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpCLrpo0Gv8d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: zlib1g vs zlib1g-dev (potato)
will trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 08:24:09PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 03:26:40PM -0500, will trillich wrote: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3-5) but 1:1.1.3-9 is to be installed Well, that's fairly self-explanatory. not on the level i'm looking at... zlib1g-dev needs either zlib1g 1.1.3 or 1.1.4 or 1.1.5, whereas what's installed is 1.1.3 thru 1.1.9 ... so maybe zlib1g is 1.1.6 thru 1.1.9 in Those version numbers don't specify ranges - Debian packages use revision numbers of the form epoch:upstream version:debian version so 1:1.1.3-9 actually works out as epoch 1, upstream version 1.1.3, Debian revision 9. The upstream version is the version number used by whoever distributes the original package and the Debian revision is the version of the packaging for this version of the upstream source. Epochs are used to ensure that newer versions of the package have higher version numbers than older ones if something about the numbering wouldn't do that otherwise (eg, upstream changes version numbering schemes). The upshot is that the above depends line specifies a dependancy on exactly version 1:1.1.3-5 but that's not the version that's installed and apt can't find the correct version. which case it'd be outside the range needed by the APPARENTLY OUTDATED 1.1.3-1.1.5 -dev module. Yes, the -dev package in Potato is outdated WRT the package you're trying to install. i'll keep trying with the hopes that you're right and that if you're right, that someone updates the links soon. (or should i file a bug? You'll have to wait until Woody is released. The version of zlib in Potato is 1:1.1.3-5, but you seem to have managed to install 1:1.1.3-9. You should probably go to one of the FTP sites and manually download and install (with dpkg -i) the potato version of the zlib1g package. You could file a bug, but unless you can point out an actual current error in one of the mirrors it's unlikely to be worth bothering. If there was a mistake it's probably fixed now. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: doesn't anybody use tunnelling / vpn?
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:25:26PM -0500, will trillich wrote: am i the only person trying to get these going? it seems like such a no-brainer tool that i'd expect LOTS of us to be using vpn (or trying to get it running). Most of the people using VPNs are probably companies, and probably most of those that need it have paid sysadmins. They tend not to be the sort of people asking questions here. i'm going NUTS here... help! pointers would be handy, but i've found many documents hither and yon on the 'net and NONE have been turnkey... there's always some obscure obstacle or error message that i have no clue as to the meaning behind it. is there a debianized tunnel module i can get running? We use FreeSWAN, which isn't packaged yet. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpMernpGopGU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:50:49PM -0500, will trillich wrote: would this be an evil idea? :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's generally considered a bad idea to do things like that - it's just tit for tat network abuse and isn't likely achieve anything. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpy5Bx9Wisv4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 12:24:23PM +0400, Rino Mardo wrote: 2. senders to this list should not receive their own emails. i don't know about the 2nd one for the rest but i do received my own emails which is annoying. It's the standard behaviour for all the MLMs I'm familiar with, although some make it optional. It's partly a historical thing springing from the way mailing lists have been implemented in the past (as /etc/alias entries), partly for verification (I know my message went out - I can see it) and partly there for some kinds of processing of lists. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp8X7fOf1KPN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden confuses me with his recommendations for XF86 4.01 debs
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:06:40AM +0200, I. Tura wrote: Well, I am newbie. What do I do? I won't upload anything to Debian, but I consider I'll give Xfree86 a general-purpose use. The not for general-purpose use bit is in part there because these packages are still works in progress. There will be things that aren't quite right and perhaps even things that are outright broken. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpzs1Zg9jJZ6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: zlib1g vs zlib1g-dev (potato)
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 03:26:40PM -0500, will trillich wrote: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3-5) but 1:1.1.3-9 is to be installed Well, that's fairly self-explanatory. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian potato main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ potato/non-US main contrib non-free 1) why would zlib1g-dev and zlib1g versions not match? The version 1:1.1.3-9 was only ever uploaded to woody: | zlib (1:1.1.3-9) unstable; urgency=low | | * Fix source dependancies (closes: #68469). | | -- Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:24:49 +0100 2) what method could i have implemented to get one debian box to compile vpnd, but not the other? tres bizarre. I'm tempted to suspect one of the http://http.us.debian.org mirrors has potato linked to unstable. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpIAkw9Le1ZY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:05:17AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: except this broken MTA helpfully neglects to mention WHO the user is that has a full mailbox. so there is no way to know who to unsubscribe. The Debian mailing lists use a VERP-like (it might actually be VERP, I can't remember or be bothered to look) system which includes the recipient address in the sender information. Of course, the broken mail software is generating bounces to the From: in the message rather than the envelope sender so that won't actually help much... -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: MPI and parallel processing
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:21:20PM +0200, Lukasz Walewski wrote: Has anyone any experiences with parallel programming under Debian? Yes :-) . There's a mailing list debian-beowulf@lists.debian.org about this sort of thing (subscribe in the usual fashion) which will probably be better able to answer questions on this topic. I've been using Message Passing Interface under SGI/Irix; the Intel clone of this library is MPIH. Is there a .deb version of it ? There are two free MPI implementations I know about, called MPICH and LAM. Both are packaged for Debian and are in Potato, along with a number of libraries for them. LAM is generally regarded as the faster of the two. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: fetchmail errors when my Netscape mails to @3rvs.com
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:28:04AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SMTP MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=899 SMTP501 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: dommain missing or malformed Exim is rejecting the mail because of the trailing . in the domain name of the sender. This is perhaps a bit picky, but seems reasonable (I haven't actually checked the specs to see if the trailing . is allowed). Any idea what my fetchmail problem is? It doesn't look like fetchmail - it seems to just be believing what it sees as the sender address in the incoming mail. Either try to fix the sending system (I'm guessing it's another of your accounts) or try to convince Exim to be less picky. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Exim and IMAP
On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:11:09AM +0900, Jack Morgan wrote: Sorry for simple question, Does exim do IMAP and if not which MTA does? Exim doesn't support IMAP. On Unix systems the IMAP server and MTA are usually separate programs, so most MTAs don't know anything about IMAP. Try looking at the imap or courier-imap packages (or perhaps courier-imapd if the license is acceptable to you). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpAw8kvM1yFn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Then why don't more package implement that policy? If the package doesn't do that, it's a bug in the package. I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains a mess of upstream files, there should be a file that is easily recognizable (having a standard name) as the Debian README file. If there is such a file, the standard name is README.[Dd]ebian. If the maintainer didn't think of anything to say, there won't be such a file. works for *every* package. (Yes, I know it would be more efficient to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the reader.) If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless. For a lot of packages there isn't anything worthwhile to add to the upstream documentation. Forcing every package to have a README.Debian saying Documentation for foo can be found by saying 'man foo'. or whatever isn't particularly constructive: it creates a whole bunch of files with trivial content that just end up being noise. What exactly are you looking for? More orientation in complex packages? That's something you should take up with the maintainers. Otherwise, it seems you want some improved system for browsing documentation. I guess something like that would need to be implemented before it could become policy. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Mutt: Mail-Follow-Up header incorrect
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:03:09AM +0900, Jack Morgan wrote: In /etc/email-addresses add, user: kmself@ix.netcom.com This way, all outgoing mail for this user will be changed to your external email address. Exim uses this, not Mutt or other mailer. That doesn't work for all MTAs and only works for a subset of headers. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpmy7LNIL4Xj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Setting proper From: lines
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:43:27PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: in my ~/.muttrc: my_hdr From: Jonathan D. Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] While this is generally a good idea it won't fix the envelope sender address so you still need to fix things in the MTA if your local system doesn't use an externally valid domain name. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpa35NQGKgV8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get error
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:35:27PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well apt-get upgrade did never finish OK. It started out more or less ok, but after a while it could not properly configure some packages (gimp-manual and libpaperg (here it never accepted any paper format like a4 and there was no list to choose from; therefore forcing a ctrl+c and thereby aborting everything)). After this incomplete upgrade nothing was changed with apt-ger dist-upgrade. What now? As root try dpkg --configure --pending which will try to configure the unconfigured packages. If there are packages that fail to configure then try asking here about how to proceed, quoting exactly what happens. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgptWbwEk9b68.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:47:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: There is no concept of personalities. Click in the account you want to use, click new message, it uses that account. The Bat! offers the choice of changing which accout you use after opening the new message. Personality, account - same difference. Which is one of the many problems with the personalities paradigm. The assumption is that it is your mail, no matter what the name on the account or which server it came from, so it is alright that it all gets mixed in together. I believe Eudora and Pegasus both do this (as do every other client No. The assumption is that the MUA isn't in the buisness of delivering mail, it's in the buisness of providing a user interface. Working out how to get the mail to other users is punted to the transport agent so that you're not tied to your MUA's support for whatever routing policy decisons or protocols you care to implement. I do not see this as the case. Personally I abhor mixing mail of different addresses when there is a funcional difference between those addresses in meatspace. For example, postmaster vs. slamb3 on the corporate side of life. Since those are two different roles I would be filling (not that I do now, but I did at one time) I would much rather keep that mail completely separate but still be able to check both with the same email client. They are not different in physical or computing environments, only in Your solution to that appears to be to wrap a huge section of the mail infrastructure into one program. Fine, people have gone that way - but it's not something that integrates well into an environment built up out of lots of small, clearly delimited programs. what hat I am wearing, what problems I am solving, in what capacity for the company I am speaking and the possibility of handing off some of those roles to other people and having to provide them the history of those transmissions. Now imagine this for different roles across the gamut of different addresses and associated roles one might accumulate through their lives. Off the top of Of course, you might start thinking that perhaps a shared mail account isn't the best group collaboration tool and that it may be useful to use something like a bug tracking system. Or perhaps there's a need to share more than just the mail - you also need to share things like the configuration. There's more methods for attacking problems like this than just a shared mail account. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpdCigi8nILV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix problem
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 10:58:35PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:30:47PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: You'd need to find out what criteria the mail server is using to restrict sent mail. Generally, it should just look at the address of your system, but apparently it's doing more than that (which doesn't buy them any security, but anyway). I know. I hate that. My old isp did the old check your pop account to validate your IP for 10 minutes. I can understand a non-isp doing this (although auth exists as an smtp extension) but shouldn't an isp know what ip numbers it owns? Things like that drive me nuts... Not always. Some ISPs don't own their own dialup pools but rent time on those of other ISPs like UUnet. If they allowed relay access to all the dialup pools it wouldn't just be their customers that could relay. They should have enough information not to need to do POP before SMTP but due to the difficulty of making things work reliably some will still use the same techniques that you'd use if you didn't have that informaiton. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpuAg5xKTpje.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sync mail with palm
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:14:41PM -0700, Michael Meskes wrote: Anyone's able to sync a lokal mailbox/maildir with some mail software on a palmpilot? Ideally I would like to sync to my local IMAP server, but without using a modem connection. You might try pilot-mail. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgphUXWturQe7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:05:56PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:44:08PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: ;-) . Having used Outlook, which seems to be the example people are quoting of something that supports this I actually prefer the separate *cough* I have stated two clients constantly. PMMail and The Bat!. I've never used either of those. How do they look from a user interface point of view? I'm thinking of things like starting a new mail and deciding which personality it's going to use. Outlook has the dubious distiction of having the best IMAP implementation thus far but i does the same thing as what people who tell me use fetchmail does. Dumps everything into a single location and has it up to you to figure out. Same with Pegasus and Eudora. All three are just as unacceptable. Outlook lets you leave your mail on the IMAP server (that's how I've got it set up, anyway) and claims to let you select your e-mail address on a per-server basis. It doesn't seem to have variable store for sent items, though. I guess Evolution might do what you want - it seems aimed fairly squarely at being an Outlook clone, although it's obviously not ready yet. Nope, it is unacceptable because it doesn't have separate mail accounts, just personalities on a single account. It's still in the early stages yet - give it time. [mutt with hooks] I could get a close approximation, yes. In doing so expend 3-4 more times work to get something close to ideal. That is not acceptable in my eyes from a usability perspective. Mutt is the unix of mail clients. Kick ass power and flexibility, total lack of simple usability. You could probably write a script to generate the configuration, but it's still not ideal. I'd observe that it's not exactly rocket science and that the situation you're describing is fairly unusual, at least in my experience. Generally, utterly distinct identities are associated with similiarly distinct physical and/or computing environments and the problem doesn't really arise. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:56:11PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: Brian and I said the same thing, and you complained in the answer to him that GNU/Linux isn't just about coding. You are right, it's also about particpating in the process. This means doing things like using betas and Free software: contribute nothing, expect nothing -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:10:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Close, but not perfect. They insist on sending everything out a single SMTP server. This requirement I really don't get: what practical difference does it make? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: SendMail Problem
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 02:54:07PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote: I have Sendmail running as a MX'ed mailserver. I had a problem with Why are you using sendmail and not something else? It is generally regarded as being hard to configure and understand (which is why it's not the default MTA for Debian. There are some things that sendmail can do that other things can't, but they tend to be rather specialised. I tried touch /etc/mail/users and then put a users in /etc/mail/users and ran sendmailconfig again. This time I had a error: makemap: /etc/mail/users.db: line 1: no RHS for LHS neutec. The database is presumably expecting something like foo bar to map foo onto bar. How can I add all my users to the sendmail userlist? I assume this is why I am unable to receive mail for all my accounts. I cant even receive mail if I mail from root to a user. What Have I missed? You (probably, I don't actually use sendmail) shouldn't need to use userdb at all. Could you post exactly what you do when running sendmailconfig? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 03:51:42PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I don't see it that way. Why should they be forced to create a whole new account to access mail on a different server in a completely different fashion. No other client/server setup requires the user to do that, why sould Generally, you should just be able to tell your mail client to use a different configuration. Further, the assumption is that the person wants to download the mail at all. IMHO with IMAP one should be able to access the account remotely, including such special folders like sent-mail in a completely separate account without the need for a separate account locally. As far as I'm aware all the MUAs with non-trivial support for IMAP can do this. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: postfix problem
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:39:43PM -0500, patrick john mahoney wrote: The postfix uses [EMAIL PROTECTED] while the spruce does not. Is this the problem? How do I fix it, or what is the real problem? You'd need to find out what criteria the mail server is using to restrict sent mail. Generally, it should just look at the address of your system, but apparently it's doing more than that (which doesn't buy them any security, but anyway). What happens if you send mail from Spruce through your own mail server. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpo09El4hHuI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:37:32AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:14:24PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Generally, you should just be able to tell your mail client to use a different configuration. Hack. The mail client should be able to do that internally. It seems to map pretty closely onto the obvious implementtion strategy ;-) . Having used Outlook, which seems to be the example people are quoting of something that supports this I actually prefer the separate instances method. Seamlessness is all very well, but things like deciding which account new mail is sent from don't seem to work quite as they should. I guess Evolution might do what you want - it seems aimed fairly squarely at being an Outlook clone, although it's obviously not ready yet. As far as I'm aware all the MUAs with non-trivial support for IMAP can do this. [Support configuring things like sent-mail and mbox folders] Too bad none exist, not even UW's own Pine is non-trivial in my eyes. But then, I am more demanding of my mail clients than most people are. I don't really understand what you're saying here. Thinking about it, you can probably do everything with mutt, apart from using different outgoing mail servers (you could probably do that too if you could put up with having multiple MTAs or if there's configuration options in current versions I don't know about). Hooks and a list of inboxes probably handle most things. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 10:50:18AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Right, and have to stuff them into a single account to get at them with a single client. That, to me, is inelegant. For good reasons I do /not/ mix my personal and professional email. Using fetchmail in the prescribed manner to get any sane results I /MUST/ mix the mail up. There simply is not a client for Linux which keeps accounts separate while allowing people to access multiple accounts at once. Absurd. I strongly suspect that Gnus can do what you want, but I've not actually tried. It certainly supports multiple servers and folders and can conditionally set headers based upon various criteria. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpzjqhdk31Vb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 11:19:30AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Only because Unix people have been brainwashed into thinking there is only one TRUE WAY of doing it. I am somewhat tempted to ask why if you want to keep two sets of mail separate sets of mail you find it imperative to handle them both with one instance of a program. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpaC4gr3CTuA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keeping package management system happy
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 07:43:33PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: At any rate, the indicated directory is in the area owned by the package management system, and there is no /var/lib/zope/xxx/ substitute available. What's the proper way to handle this situation? dpkg won't actually get upset if you add files to a directory it owns (well, it'll print a warning if it ever tries to remove a directory). This seems like a fairly general problem, so I've cc'd the list. Help accepted from all quarters! Another way would be to package the modules in question. While I'm on the subject of Zope, policy, and general issues, I also wanted to configure Zope so it would start manually, rather than automatically as the package has it. I know I could just track down the scripts in the different start up directories (or perhaps use a utility whose name escapes me right now). But again, I wonder if that's proper. There's a reason why the /etc/init.d scripts are all conffiles :-) . -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpanowPDdpxp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: why so hard to decline recommend packages dselect/apt
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 11:07:24AM -0700, John L. Fjellstad wrote: So, how do you avoid dependencies in apt-get? Or doesn't apt-get You don't want to avoid something that is an actual dependancy. install recommended packages? If that's the case, how do you make it install recommended and optional packages too? There's no way to make apt-get install anything except dependancies automatically. You'd need to either used dselect or look at the suggestions and recommendations and install them yourself. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpgBi5xgTtHz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: recompiling gcc g++
On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 07:59:31PM -0300, Jan Pfeifer wrote: gcc g++ are the programs I use most, and often I'm waiting for them to compile a big project I'm currently working on. is it worth to recompile them using more agressive optimizations options (-O3, -funroll-loops, and -march=pentiumpro) ? Probably not. Much of the slowness has to do with the fact that compilation is quite an expensive process and the algorithms used by GCC aren't always the fastest (in particular, there's been a whole bunch of improvements in C++ compilation since GCC 2.95 was released). anyway, I tried it, using apt-get to get the sources. Gcc, g++, gnu objective C and java compilers share the same source. I changed the compilation options in the debian/rule file (acutally debian/rule2) and let it run. But during compilation it stopped while compiling Check that that'll actually do what you think. GCC recompiles itself several times during building and you may find that you've only changed the options for the first stage. objective c, complaining that some file was missing (gc.h) ... Does anybody has any experience with this ? Should I write the mantainer of the package ? Check that you have all the source dependancies. Actually, I'd suggest just installing from source rather than bothering with the .debs. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp9LLeXV7alu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: more on syslogd remote logging
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:45:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: things in /etc/syslog.conf and the log file is empty still. I'd like to redirect everything from 10.10.10.1 to /var/log/dsl.log The standard syslog doesn't support that, although I don't know about others. If you need the separate logs you'll have to either find a syslogd replacement that does what you want or post-process based on the host field in the logfile(s). If you're processing the logs you may find it easier to create a catchall log that gets everything written to it and start from there. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpHPSCg4ya92.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: filesystem-hierarchy
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:11:05PM -0700, S. Champ wrote: if memory serves, i came across something of a debian filesystem-hierarchy standard, somewhere at debian.org if anyone knows where this is , please ... can you send-along the URL? The FHS can be found at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ (it's not Debian-specific) and on Debian systems in in /usr/doc/debian-policy/fhs Any major differences should be documented in the policy manual, which is on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: sendmail error 553
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 03:45:28PM +0200, Stefan Ott wrote: i got two strange problems with sendmail on my potato (i386, kernel Is there any particular reason why you're running Sendmail? ... while talking to mail.desire.ch.: MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=513 553 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... cockroach@desire.ch. 501 5.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data format er Your address rewriting seems to be seriously fscked. It seems that the address is being rewritten to garbage which is then rejected since it is meaningless gunk. The cockroach@desire.ch. appears to be the problem. I'd suggest either trying another MTA or buying the bat book and looking at how address rewriting should be done in there. if i use a different mail program (tested with netscape messenger) it works. How is Messenger trying to get the mail out? I'd guess it's bypassing whichever sendmail thinks it can do rewriting. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpM0GM0SODHP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt/muttrc problem
On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 10:26:31AM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: 1.) Is there some type of securinty *switch* or configuration file in Woody that I didn't have in my potato distribution before that is stopping mail from being sent in my user directory? Take a look in the contents of /var/log/exim/mainlog. Something is stopping the command line sendmail interface from working, and you should be able to see any errors produced there. Running the following command might give you some error output: $ /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test mail du01 This is a test mail. . [ie, run /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then type in everything up to the '.'. You should substitute your e-mail address for mine in the above. 2.) Would it change or help if I uninstalled Exim and installed Sendmail? Even if it did help it's probably a bad idea: sendmail is a complex piece of software and unless you know what you're doing or have fairly specialised requirements. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpKMszjg4hrZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Limit devel-changes to i386 related news
On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 03:01:23PM +0200, André Dahlqvist wrote: Is it possible to only get announcements from debian-devel-changes regarding a specific architecture? I am primarily interested in i386 changes. No. There are supposed to be a bunch of per-arch lists being created, but things have been that way since as long as I can remember so I wouldn't hold your breath. What you can do is to use procmail to filter out the announcments you don't want. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpIz2TA0KrrO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DNS setup help
On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 09:23:34AM -0700, montgomery f. tidwell wrote: i'm trying to configure a Q650 as a firewall. i think that i have the ipchains stuff working correctly, but i can't get DNS lookups to isn't there a easy way to set it up so that DNS queries are passed to my ISPs name servers? DNS lookups go out on UDP and TCP port 53. If you're firewalling that out you won't be able to look up names. If you want to forward DNS lookups with BIND, set the forwarders option in the configuration file. If you're not running a nameserver then you can specify name servers in /etc/resolv.conf with nameserver n.n.n.n. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpMRxsfGLlKt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: same debian, new hardware?
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 06:03:41PM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote: 4) Physically install the old hard drives in the new machine. 4) This would be nice, but can it be done? My hard drives are old and small. Sure. Also they are sitting on a SCSI card, is this a good thing or a bad thing? The SCSI card is probably ISA, can I stick it in a new machine and hope it will work? If someone can suggest how to make this work then I would It should. The main thing I can think of that would stop it would be resource conflicts, but you should be able to reconfigure to avoid them. An approach you didn't mention would be to keep both machines running and network them then copy and share things over the network. I know this is a linux forum, but I'm also interested in moving Windows to the new machine. Presumably this means I have to reinstall it? That's probably easiest and safest thing to do. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpfDzkDsa9LQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lprng out of date?
On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 03:33:07PM -0500, Charles Lewis wrote: Anyone know why the lprng package is so out of date? The current package is based on release 3.6.12 (10/26/99) and their have been a host of updates (current release 3.6.22) since then. Maybe it's because of the frozen state of potato right now. I wouldn't be worried except that it is starting to act very bizarre. You're looking at Potato, right? The ccurrent woody package is for version 3.6.20. The reason for the version from last year is that that was the version that was in the distribution when Potato froze. It's not going to get updated unless there's a spectacular security hole or similar. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpmCUcb9WTIE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie install questions
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:32:45AM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: Thanks Art. One other question just came to mind, my cable connection is dhcp. Does the install differentiate between dynamic and static connections? I might just have to get a static ip address.. The Potato installer differentiates between static and dynamic connections, but it supports both. The slink installer doesn't know anything about DHCP, though you can normally get around this by getting an IP allocated in Windows and then claiming this is your static IP for the purposes of the installer. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: mail forwarding
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:40:09PM -0400, Nakul Hoelz wrote: I have a 2 mail servers for our domain, both running debian gnu linux. The first one has a DNS mailexchange value of 0 the other has a DNS mailchange value of 5... i.e. all email should be pouring into the main mail machine for our domain somehow though email ended up on the secondary mail server and I would like to send the email in the mailboxes of the secondary mail server to the primary mail server... Your secondary mail server generally shouldn't do local delivery - it should forward the mail on to the primary server for delivery (you can avoid doing that). Without knowing which MTA you are using it's hard to give details on exactly how to arrange this - if it's exim, the secondary shouldn't have the domain in its local_domains but should have it in relay_domains. When the mail is being delivered to the primary host you have to arrange some for the secondary to get access to the mail, with IMAP being a common mechanism. If most mail is being delivered to the secondary MX that probably indicates that there's poor connectivity to the primary MX. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: mail forwarding
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 04:50:31PM -0400, Nakul Hoelz wrote: the mta is sendmail... Not my area of knowledge, I'm afraid. the reason for the secondary is for it to take over all functions of the primary in case it goes down... There was a discussion on the postfix-users mailing list about doing this sort of thing on a fairly tight budget recently. It's not the same MTA, but the same principles apply. However if the secondary has any messages and I check and find out that the primary is up... I want to send any mail of the secondary to the primary... so people get their mail... I have ways of finding out if the primary is up so invoking a cron script from time to time to forward mail to the primary would be nice. This way I have complete You should be able to get sendmail to send copies of all the messages sent to one server to the other (ie, they both end up doing local delivery) but you then run into a lot of problems keeping track of what happens when users do things like change config or delete mail. You need changes to propagate very quickly or people will start to notice. the only missing block in this setup is to be able to take /var/spool/mail/USERNAME... parse it and send it off to the original user... I know that I can do it by taking that file ... running it through a perl program, recreating a message and mailing it off... that's a ton of work yet again... I thought there was an easier way of doing it Why do you need to send it off again? do you know anything about the perl mailtools ? Not a thing. You'd be much better off asking about this stuff somewhere like comp.mail.sendmail - it's fairly specialized stuff that is often attacked with funky hardware. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpePIK2Vhf8f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: howto reset root password with setup disk (or some other way)
On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 01:13:15PM +0200, Corry Opdenakker wrote: does anyone know how I can reset the password for root? A while a go someone told me that this is possible by using the install-boot disc or cd's. Delete the second field from root's entry in /etc/passwd (/etc/shadow if you're using shadow passwords - you'll have an x in the passwd file if you are). This will remove root's password, and you can reset it using passwd. A safer thing to do is to generate a new crypted password and directly replace the password, but unless you're on-line when you do this I wouldn't worry about it. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpfQTAxaCMAF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: howto reset root password with setup disk (or some other way)
On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 01:51:51PM +0200, Corry Opdenakker wrote: yes, but there is one additional problem: Currently I'm not logged on as root. Boot specifying init=/bin/bash on the kernel command line. If you have LILO, then say linux init=/bin/bash where linux is the name of the LILO option for Linux. If security features prevent you from doing this you should try booting via the rescue disk. Either get a shell from the installation system and mount your root partition or say linux root=root_partition init/bin/bash at the first prompt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Brown Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 13:38 Please quote properly: delete material not needed for context and place new text after old. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpVN5pg3fd6d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: compiling teTeX-src-1.0.7
On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 04:42:36AM -0700, Sherab Puntsok wrote: Where do I get the xlib.h, intrinsic.h, and stringdefs.h files ? Please help. Thanks in advance. $ dpkg -S X11/Xlib.h Intrinsic.h StringDefs.h xlib6g-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h xlib6g-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h xlib6g-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/StringDefs.h Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 05:49:05 -0400 From: Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.16 i586) To: Debian-Users debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: staroffice Damon Muller wrote: Is there some particular reason you decided to -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpyTmDlKM2AR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Forwarding sent email-
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 08:14:35PM -0500, Tom Warfield wrote: I know that procmail can go through and forward someones email to them at another address while it still delivers it to there email box. But i am wanting to do the same on outgoing as well. Once someone sends out a email i want it to forward a copy of that outgoing email to another email address, preferable without them knowing about it. Normally this sort of thing is done in the MTA - for example, Postfix has the always_bcc option which sends copies of all messages passing through it to a given address. I guess this can be done with most MTAs. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp2SgMCoKa0o.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: fetchmail troubles
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:02:35AM -0500, Christopher Tessone wrote: Could you perhaps provide a little more information about your fetchmail setup and sendmail configuration? As for me, I've never had A trace of the session (ie, the output of fetchmail -v) would probably also be useful. I'm a bit concerned that you say that the SMTP server keeps your mailbox locked when things fail - it shouldn't be touching the mailbox until it's got the mail sucessfuly. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp9HpiguHQuq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: fetchmail troubles
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:48:37PM -0500, Chris Tessone wrote: It seemed to me he meant that the server from which he's grabbing the mail is locking the file (on the remote server), not sendmail under Linux. Yeah - the POP server rather than the SMTP server. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpdGvDaYBhYh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: smail says 550 You are not permitted to send mail
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 09:39:08AM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote: Sendmail (which is smail, anyway) doesn't work either. Invoking the sendmail binary gets you the same MTA but it bypasses many of the checks MTAs perform It neither sends the mail nor returns it to the sender like it claims to. 09:33:06/usr/sbin$ sendmail root aoeusnaohe I'm not surprised that failed - what you typed doesn't really approximate a valid message. Looking at the bounce that got generated and moved into the error directory it seems that smail can't figure out how to deliver to local users (the bounce said that it didn't know anything about a user root, and the non-delivery of the bounce would suggest that it couldn't find your user account either. You'll probably see some complaints in your mail logs (/var/log/mail.log unless smail doesn't use syslog). You should try reconfiguring smail - there's probably a program called smailconfig in /usr/sbin that will do that for you, or failing that removoing and reinstalling should do the trick. If smail doesn't configure itself I'd try another MTA (exim is the default choice for recent Debian versions). [BTW, could you please quote and trim your messages properly? It makes them much easier to read.] -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: emails wont send out-
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:58:12AM -0500, Tom Warfield wrote: We have clients using Outlook (yes i know what losers) and were running sendmail on debian. Okay so this is the problem, when they send a email in Outlook to a email address (for example [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Outlook wont let them send it out. Its not the message or anything like that because if i change the address to something else the message goes, so its specificaly the address. Outlook connects to the server then it just sits there. Im thinking Sendmail doesnt like it for some reason and i cant figure out why...anyone have any ideas. What do the MTA logs (probably in /var/spool/mail.log unless you use exim in which case /var/log/exim/mainlog) say? What particular e-mail addresses give problems (you say changing the address helps)? Are you on-line or off-line when you send mail? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpUNPgSIzKMP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: smail says 550 You are not permitted to send mail
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 01:39:40PM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote: Aha, smailconfig. OK, I tried reinstalling smail before and now running smailconfig, same error. Guess I'll try exim next. exim is the standard MTA for Debian these days - in fact, smail was removed from potato due to a number of severe bugs. [BTW, could you please quote and trim your messages properly? It makes them much easier to read.] Not sure what you mean by this, can you clarify? You should quote mails like you did this one, interspersing new text with old and cutting any quoted text not needed for context. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpVg6hUufqYu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: smail says 550 You are not permitted to send mail
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:58:47AM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote: 550 You are not permitted to send mail localhost isn't in the list of systems that smail will allow to forward mail through it. How you tell smail about that I don't know. What gives? The only reason I'm trying to set this up is so that things like cron jobs will send email to root, as advertised. Most things of that sort will use /usr/sbin/sendmail rather than SMTP to inject mail, bypassing this check. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpTFjR2IhQYT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Background mail transfers
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 06:55:59AM +0100, Pap Tibor wrote: And how do you post news messages? Does leafnode do this yob for you too? Yes, Leafnode will post messages. Basically, what it does is to look like a standard news server to local readers and look like a regular news client to the server it fetches news from. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpujola4IGPz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Background mail transfers
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 08:01:20PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: So I suspect that having chopped off Fetchmail's download leaving half an e-mail I subsequently re-booted into OS/2 and downloaded the mail. This would have then deleted the mail from the server so that the next time the mail server was checked using Fetchmail the e-mail as mentioned above was no longer there. Fetchmail shouldn't have noticed that - all it works with is the mailbox at your ISP. If the message was being downloaded and the connection went away it should just drop what it had got on the floor. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpfoJyVjufPu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Laptop email
On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 11:47:47AM -0400, Cory Snavely wrote: I think folks used to assume anything running UNIX was full-time networked. Just ain't so anymore. It's partly that, but it's also because the application isn't really the right place to fix things like this. It's simpler to have mail clients punt mail delivery issues to a MTA where you can have one set of controls for the entire system than to have every client try to do everything itself. There's no point in having each client arrange for offline working and trying to get them to interact well when you could just as easily move that job into a separate program that everything could use. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: __STDC__
On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 09:00:55PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: kronstadt:/usr/include$ gcc -E -dM -xc /dev/null #define __linux__ 1 #define linux 1 #define __i386__ 1 #define __i386 1 #define __GNUC_MINOR__ 95 #define i386 1 #define __unix 1 #define __unix__ 1 #define __GNUC__ 2 #define __linux 1 #define __ELF__ 1 #define unix 1 That doesn't define __STDC__ on Slink either. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgprsta4gZ7gj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More questions about Postfix (Was Re: Postfix troubles)
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:10:56PM -0400, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: and now mail to root/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is correctly forwarded to me. Thanks for the suggestion. I am surprised this wasn't in the Postfix FAQ. I've got suspicion that mydomain was set to phoenix. Another thing I noticed in my logs is the following postfix-related message: Jun 29 21:52:57 phoenix postfix/local[2536]: warning: biff_notify: Connection refused What is biff_notify() and how can I disable this so that this message doesn't fill up my logs ? It's one of the mechanisms used for you've got mail notifications. IIRC there's a biff option you can set to stop Postfix trying to do this kind of notification, but I could be wrong. Lastly, is there anything else that can/should be done to secure Postfix on a dialup system ? I have already closed my system to any outside access using tcp_wrappers. Should I be concerned with any smtp-relaying issues since Postfix is running on my system ? Postfix is pretty secure by default. You could always firewall out any incoming connections on port 25, but if you don't want to worry about firewalling I wouldn't worry too much. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpZEJuOObpBM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Postfix troubles
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:19:06AM -0400, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: But then how come sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends it correctly to my local user account ? Why should [EMAIL PROTECTED] be treated/relayed any differently than [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Postfix does alias database rewrites at the local delivery stage. What is happening is that Postfix sees [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tries to deliver it locally. If the account is just an account (as for your user account) all is well. If the account is an alias then Postfix replaces the destination address with the address or addresses on the right hand side of the alias and starts delivering them. The problem is that your aliases have no domain part so Postfix puts a default in but isn't configured to deliver this default locally. What are the values of mydestination, myorigin, myhostname and mydomain? What is the output of hostname? A quick hack that should work around the problem would be to change your alias database to have right hand sides in [EMAIL PROTECTED] form. But if I remove the relayhost line from /etc/main.cf, how will I be able to send email to any other internet users e.g. this list, etc. ? Removing the relayhost won't help at all. By the time Postfix looks at the relayhost it has already decided to try to deliver the mail remotely. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpzHOfm6kcbH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Postfix troubles
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:25:25AM -0400, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: I'll give that a try to see if that fixes the problem. Is there a problem with my myorigin/mydestination variables above ? That looks reasonable, but according to the bounce you posted earlier on mail is actually being given a domain part of phoenix.phoenix. Try adding that to mydestination and see where that gets you. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp4zSQk6AojU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Filtering Email in Pine
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 04:01:37PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: config for a special setting. IMO the biggest problem with pine is that Aside from the licensing? :-) UW wants it to be really dumbed down for the novice users so they turn most features off by default. Maybe it'd be a good idea for our That's a perfectly reasonable decision for the target audience. It's very easy for people who don't know what their doing to seriously misconfigure a mail client. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpCe8p2RV4Ly.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix help
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 01:31:25PM +0200, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: What about poor guys who don't have a valid hostname (dynamic IP) and, moreover, have another username at the ISP as on their own computer? (Solution for qmail: set the environment variable QMAILUSER to your ISP username in your .bash_profile.) Cannonical mapping can probably do most of the work for you. Probably just a sender-only one which rewrites the user accounts to the externally visible version and anything else to some reasonable default (in case some system user sends mail). -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpCJ0uGsCGfx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: tracing route
On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 09:55:26PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw something that may be similar to this before I actally installed traceroute. Something in called /usr/bin/traceroute6. Apparently it's part of netbase but I don't really know what it does. It's a traceroute for IPv6. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpo07hz3cs15.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MOSIX under Debian
On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 04:19:56AM +0200, I. Tura wrote: Does anybody installed a MOSIX cluster over Debian? MOSIX people just used it in SuSE and RedHat: as a Debianist I am, I'd like to know if you have found any differences or trouble when you installed it into Debian. Take a look at the debian-beowulf archives - there's been some discussion of MOSIX there. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp6uuhJDlwq3.pgp Description: PGP signature
