Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-09-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:40:01PM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2003-08-28T18:37:34Z, Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd guess the latter. I've seen what could have been good software engineering if management had been willing to work within the system. I wasn't thinking

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:10:10PM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2003-08-28T18:15:09Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SDLC! What a joke! OK, I'll bite. Does everyone here honestly hate software engineering? Or is it that they haven't seen it done well? I'd guess the latter. I've seen

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:36:34PM +0100, Peter Nuttall wrote: On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: [ 43 million levels of quoting ] It was a joke. Note the emoticon :-p. I may be American, but I'm not *that* ignorant. Besides, isn't it Pounds Sterling? You ask us the

Re: Code rights for employees (was Re: SCO identifies code?)

2003-08-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 07:21:47PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: if one wants to pick the nits that are actually buzzing around ones head ; Nits don't buzz around your head as they are eggs. (sorry :-) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For the next hour, WE

Re: need djb dnscache init script

2003-08-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:02:03PM -0400, Tom Vier wrote: i've googgled a bunch, but all i've come up w/ are redhat scripts. anyone happen to have a debian version? Install daemontools and run djbdns using svscan as you should. Here's Adam McKenna's [0] init.d script to start/stop svcsan [1]:

Re: Poor performance with 1GB of RAM

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:56:01AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 06:08, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 02:03:26PM -0700, Mark Ferlatte wrote: J. Zidar said on Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:49:21PM +0200: I see. I'm pretty new to Debian and all. I've read that a swap

Re: multiple network cards bound together

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:16:42AM -0400, D. Clarke wrote: Hi! Is it possible to bind multiple (non matching, or matching) network cards together to act as one device? I've got a fileserver here with 2 nics in it, currently both have seperate ip's but I'd like the box to have just one ip

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re: Look

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:39:23AM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 7 09:33:53 2003 On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:10:30 -0500 John Hasler wrote: Carlos Sousa writes: Do you also have an account at my service provider? Or is it that you're just incapable of

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re: Look

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:32:25AM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 7 09:27:07 2003 Carlos Sousa writes: Do you also have an account at my service provider? Or is it that you're just incapable of setting up your mail system to show the real origin of

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:23:24PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:13:10AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Bummer. I had administrator access to our Sparc server for using as a tftp server, but I reckon in a case like yours, you might could have created a mini-LAN with a

Re: Poor performance with 1GB of RAM

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:41:04PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:14, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:56:01AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: knight:~# swapon -s Filename Type SizeUsed Priority /dev/rootvg/swap00lv

Re: Look at these update from M$ Corporation.

2003-08-01 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 08:02:18PM +, Andrew McGuinness wrote: Alan Connor wrote: That's how C-R programs work. The bug-track folks wouldn't even know it was operating. Um.. He *is* the bug-track folks, and he just said he can see it operating. Thats 3 idiotic claims in three

Re: Cannot Connect to some website on linux

2003-07-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 01:04:01AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:43, Ron Johnson wrote: ---SNIP--- # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn 1 When /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn had the value 1, I couldn't get to thatpetplace either. However, I could, after I did this, and

Re: Could this be debian ?

2003-07-21 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:39:00AM -0400, alex wrote: http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-07-21.htm Item 10 - Just for grins Get your flamethrowers ready! quote src=http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-07-21.htm; meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;

Re: OT: why I don't want CCs

2003-07-17 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:26:36PM -0600, Gary Hennigan wrote: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] top - 19:32:46 up 104 days, 4:57, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.05 Tasks: 299 total, 1 running, 295 sleeping, 3 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.2% user, 2.7%

Re: OT: why I don't want CCs

2003-07-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:14:52AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:01:47AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote: And kmail has one major advantage: I can read mails with over-long lines without problems... So can mutt, but the ultimate solution is to tell your correspondants

Re: OT: America's Army

2003-06-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 08:35:56PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 04:43:57PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: You mean FreeCraft. Doh, you're right, but I fear not for long. Why, do you think Infogrames (or whoever they are) are going to try to shutdown FreeCiv

Re: OT: America's Army

2003-06-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:30:30AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:54:46PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: I hope that the Blizzard's threats that caused the end of FreeCiv You mean FreeCraft. Doh, you're right, but I fear not for long. Why, do you think

Re: terms of legal remittance [8 days left].

2003-05-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 04:22:11PM -0500, Kent West wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following are demanded, debian-boot unsubscription as previously specified [I note that all other lists have been unsubscribed]. Public list apology from c j. Watson. No further libelous statements to

Re: issue with make-kpkg kernel_image

2003-04-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 06:21:46PM -0500, Kevin McKinley wrote: On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:53:42 -0600 Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 12:13:53PM -0900, Andy wrote: I am using this for reference and can successfully do a custom kernel: http

Re: Sparc Ultra1 Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 builtin lan card problem...

2003-04-04 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 06:20:33AM -0500, Michael Bevilacqua wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:23:38AM -0500, Greg Morgan wrote: Any ideas/thoughts on what's going on? Thanks in advance for any help. Does the Openboot screen initally display the hardware address? (mac hex address) Is it

Re: cdrdao / ide-scsi problem

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:07:28AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:10:10AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: cdrecord asks the following debconf question: OK, mybad. But xcdroast doesn't, and I never use cdrecord from the command line since xcdroast will do it all in one

Re: Why am I no longer receiving the digest?

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:58:15PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:31:56PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:41:46PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Is there some problem with the list servers at the moment? I haven't received a debian-user-digest since March

Re: login as root to GUI

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:31:52 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. This isn't meant to be

Re: Problems with ddclient

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 09:22:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: (Please reply to the list as others may run into this problem, too) On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:32:07PM -0500, Stephen Touset wrote: Is that a limitation of ddclient? I've tried inputting the values manually on their webpage,

Re: unsubscribe

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:50:11PM +0100, Mark Martin wrote: Disclaimer The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal

Re: urgent Mail Server

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:43:04PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:26:37PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: Please read section 5 of rfc 2821. If no MX records are found, but an A RR is found, the A RR is treated as if it was associated with an implicit MX RR

Re: login as root to GUI

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:49:01PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:47:54 -0600 Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt does line wrap, but the default is ugly and hard to read. Many popular and useful MUAs don't do linewrap at all. Furthermore, how does

Re: default run level

2003-04-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:39:02PM -0600, Irish, Jon D BAE SYSTEMS wrote: Here is a newbie question: Which default run level do I change inittab to so that the PC boots to a VGA console instead of X? You don't play with inittab at all; this isn't RedHat. See

Re: urgent Mail Server

2003-04-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 09:09:07AM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: Quoting Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] An MX is only needed if some other system is going to be handling the mail bound for that one. You can get away with this most of the time. However, the RFCs do require

Re: urgent Mail Server

2003-04-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 09:18:50AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:31:02 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this message is some sort of demented halucination. I have never had an MX record...yet I still get the list. I also haven't had He didn't

Re: Why am I no longer receiving the digest?

2003-04-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:41:46PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Is there some problem with the list servers at the moment? I haven't received a debian-user-digest since March 31st. Yet on visiting lists.debian.org I see there's been plenty of traffic. Has anybody else not received the digest? Er,

Re: error on boot up

2003-04-01 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:15:38PM +0800, lito lampitoc wrote: Hi All, Sorry if this is OT, but I seems to be the only one on debian-sparc list, that why I'm cross posting this. Er, I never saw your post on debian-sparc ... taking it back there. I installed debian 3 on my Sun sparc netra

Re: sparc stability

2003-04-01 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:30:12AM +0100, Warwick Brown wrote: heya peeps, ive been trying to run linux on sparc for a while now, but no matter what distributuib/kernel i use, it seems to crash on an almost daily basis, im using a Sun Creator3D/30, and i cant seem to find any resolve, ive

Re: [OT] no space after defined \newcommands in LaTeX

2003-03-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:44:01PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote: how do you mean, they have to do that for most commands they didn't write? A builtin, like \TeX. I can't write \TeX is really cool, I have to write \TeX{} is really cool. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Networking troubles with multiple nics

2003-03-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:23:09PM -0600, Eric Eelkema wrote: Hi, I have a 486 with three 3c509 cards set up as a router. It took some work to get the cards on different IRQs, but I think I did that correctly, and all of them work individually. The problem is, when I bring up both

Re: Networking troubles with multiple nics

2003-03-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 07:59:21PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:56:15 -0600 Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.1.1 -- network 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.252

Re: [~OT] tax program for linux

2003-03-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:45:55AM -0500, Fred Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 22:25, Nori Heikkinen wrote: My dad, who has graciously done my taxes for me every year up until now, has finally shuffled them off to me. When i ask him how to do them, he keeps telling me to get TurboTax

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:41:25AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:37, Roberto Sanchez wrote: -MS Windows controlled BIOS setup (I just found out the new Toshiba laptops have no more hit ESC to enter setup on boot. It is all handled through Windows utilities

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:34:47AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:21:23PM +1200, cr wrote: That 'tech support' is a red herring anyway, at least if you have Internet access. I've had better support from the linux-newbie, gnome, debian mailing lists (and even from

Re: [OT] Designing a Website

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 05:33:54PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: Hi there: I am a freshman student, in Computer Studies. A project has recently been assigned to us in one of our courses (intro to computers), and as I don't have experience building websites, I am seeking your advice in this

Re: [OT] Designing a Website

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:24:53PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: Did I ask for a tutorial on Basic html tags? or did I ask wether graphic intensive websites are good pr bad? Neither, you asked asked for help creating an aesthetically pleasing web page which conformed to standards so you could get

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 02:14:24PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: [ snip ] I am getting the impression that many people commenting in this thread didn't pay attention to what the OP was dealing with. IIUC, his email address has been changed by his ISP from .com to .net, and while they are still

Re: [OT] Designing a Website

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 10:33:33PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: Your sig does not begin with a single line consisting of the three characters -- (ignoring the quotes); such a delimiter is considered standard. ASAIKS, my sig does have that -- character, because KMail 1.5 automatically puts

Re: dpkg/dselect misbehavior

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 10:42:19AM -0500, Stephan Sauerburger wrote: [ please don't top post ] Oh man.. I just spent about 4 days installing packages and reconfiguring it from scratch, including rolling a new kernel. Not having to completely redo all of it again from a Woody CD would be

Re: pxelinux boot isn't loading woody kernel

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 06:05:32PM -0500, Susan Kleinmann wrote: I am trying to install Debian onto a floppy-less CD-ROM-less Shuttle XPC SS40G with an AMD Athlon installed. Following the instructions at: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=818 I obtained the linux.bin and root.bin

Re: buying a cd writer

2003-03-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:10:30PM +, Jonathan Matthews wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:01:33PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Yes, agree, I have an old 12x lite on and a newer 40x. Works fine on both windoze and debian. I'm also useing a Plextor 48x, very nice. And a old

Re: God answeres my prayers to get off this list, NO!, God says, Your pain must endure forever!!!

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:39:41AM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: OK, you get _one_ more chance before I forward each and every message I get from the list to you. Yes, that's a threat. Yes, I'd do this. It'll become active if I see one more dumb post by you dating from after 11:45 CEDST. Please

Re: apt-get dist-upgrade bails

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 12:24:59AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:10:17PM +, Jonathan Matthews wrote: apt-get install apt dpkg tar ( ... any others anyone?) debconf apt-get dist-upgrade This is redundant. Things apt depends on always get resolved and

Re: Linux Sucketh not.

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 11:30:36PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 11:17:31PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: This is a reply to this email as received in digest mode. I use mutt to read my mail. In mutt, I open the digest email by pressing CR, and then open a pick-list of

Re: Limit a process's CPU usage?

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:15:03PM +0100, Joerg Johannes wrote: On Friday 28 March 2003 12:52, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: A quick look gave me: limits(5) In Debian it seems to be /etc/security/limits.conf and not /etc/limits as described in limits(5) As I understand it, this will limit

Re: Limit a process's CPU usage?

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 05:01:39PM +0100, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: On Fri Mar 28, 2003 at 08:34:21AM -0600, the boisterous Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to me: PS I don't have a limits(5) manpage. What package provides it? I do have the file /etc/security/limits.conf

Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:10:27PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:04:38AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Oh, as for subscription address, maybe we need to tell outlook user how to read their mail header. People forgets where they subscribed from

Re: reporting a bug

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:29:32AM -0500, Francis Lau wrote: Hi, I'm quite new at Debian so please bare with me. I was trying to install wu-ftp on a machine and the following message popped up: You do know there's a debian package of wu-ftpd, right? I'll skip my usual rant regarding the

Re: System Slows Down

2003-03-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:32:53AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:41:09 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:44:38AM +0200, Barak Korren wrote: 2. The right way to configure crontab it to use the contab (1) command. This is

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:13:14PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: Perhaps I am out in left field, but if a business considers a $1500 computer expensive, there may be other problems at said company besides fear of linux. I can

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:42:38PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: It's not a question of *me* not wanting a GUI. I'm asking whyinhell *anyone* would want one. What does it enhance? What's the design goal? So far the only thing I've ever seen in print is that it needs to be done because the

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 07:51:56AM -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:33:46AM +0100, Conrad Newton wrote: From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500: It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the ... Just out of

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:33:46AM +0100, Conrad Newton wrote: From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500: It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the list), and got a we'll think about it. Today when I went into the lounge, I saw the

Re: remount md0 after disc failure

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 01:43:09PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: G'day all, I have or will have in a few minutes (I hope): hda1: /boot hda2: / hda3: swap md0: /home My question is: If hda fails and I replace it, reinstall debian then umount /home from / then mount /home on md0 the

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:12:14PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:03:39AM -0800, Bill Wohler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Koen Dejonghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can leave the machine on 24/7

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:05:16AM -0800, Lukas Latz wrote: Of course, when the shiny happy install doesn't work on some esoteric hardware you're screwed, but nobody runs _that_ stuff. (or do they??) *sigh* About 2 1/2 years ago, I installed Suse on a 1997 Mac clone with a Formac

Re: setting up RAID

2003-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:20:55PM +0200, Konstantin Kostadinov wrote: G'day all, I'm setting up a RAID1 set in debian 3r0. I checked /proc/mdstat got the following: Personalities: [raid1] read_ahead not set unused devices: none hmmm, I got RAID support, woopeee I setup a

Re: Official Exim 4 package

2003-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 07:26:50AM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 04:40:41AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:26:38AM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote: No it's not. Version number indicate a progression of an application, they have no indication of

Re: Installer - Was: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:51:18AM +, Klaus Imgrund wrote: Does anybody if the installer that is used for the 'testing netinstall' images is a sign of things to come.If so I would like to know where I can go and whine about it. I'm not sure about how the testing netinstall relates to

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 07:28:15AM -0800, nate wrote: Nathan E Norman said: Sorry for yelling, but this whole debian is hard to install thing drives me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian is too hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it. Mandrake et al

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-24 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:07:24PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:03:24AM -0800, nate wrote: hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it working, though I don't know if we'll see an official X11-based installer for the next revision, I hope that

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-24 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:30:10PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: | Marc, the original poster clearly had a problem that went way beyond not | being able to install Debian, but in charity there is no excess. And it | will do no good to make Debian less easy because he was annoying. I've

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:26:51PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:19:32PM -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote: I think he showed up late last year, yes? Late last month. I think he posted twice out of a few dozen times that he demonstrated he had a clue. I think his

Re: not accepting mail despite proper A-PTR setup

2003-03-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 04:54:52PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: I just got a mail delivery error from another MTA: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host xxx.xx[123.12.123.12] refused to talk to me: 501-HELO requires a valid host name as operand: 'albatross.madduck.net' 501-connection

Re: Where is faq/HOWTO for changing locale?

2003-03-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 11:59:35AM -0800, Peter Farley wrote: I need to change my locale from LANG=C to LANG=en_US on debian-390 (woody-3.0r1), running under hercules 390 emulator. Just changing the value of LANG does not seem to do what I expect. In fact, it doesn't seem to do much of

Re: gpg: DSA requires the use of a 160 bit hash algorithm

2003-03-21 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 01:18:40PM +0200, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: I can't anymore sign e-mails using mutt. Error is gpg: DSA requires the use of a 160 bit hash algorithm What to do to fix this? I started getting the error after installing spamassassin from testing to a woody host. I did had

Re: Debian unofficial repositories w/ Apache 2.0.44/PHP 4.3.1/MySQL 4.0.12

2003-03-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 03:48:19AM -0800, Ryan Aligen wrote: Hello, this is my first time on this list. I was just wondering if there are any repositories with these packages or if I will have to compile them manually. Check out http://www.apt-get.org/ . If you don't find what you want, I

Re: Problems with Apt-Get

2003-03-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:40:10AM -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: I'm having problems with updating the package list from mirrors.kernel.org (apt-get says connection times out). Is this a known problem or am I just one of the (un)lucky few who this happens to? Here's a partial output from

Re: moving harddives from one system to another

2003-03-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 01:49:44AM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 08:11:39PM -0600, Hanasaki JiJi wrote: | is it safe to take a harddrive, with data on it, out of one system and | put it in another? Just ensure that 1) the other machine's hardware can

Re: Apt: Searching for Provides: ...

2003-03-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 08:46:31AM +0100, Thomas Guettler wrote: Hi! I want to search for all packages which provide xserver. apt-cache search 'Provides.*xserver.*' This should find xserver-s3, but it doesn't. Any hints? I'm no apt-cache expert, but my reading of the man page

Re: Making PDF document in KWord

2003-03-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 11:06:47AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: Hi There: When I want to make a PDF document with KWord (Using print menu), KWord is able to make a pdf file, but the result is crappy, many words are not in their original position, and all in all, it is unreadable. However,

Re: OT: what's the difference between apache+mod_perl and apache-perl, apache+mod_ssl and apache-ssl etc...

2003-03-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 12:49:40PM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi If I understand corectly, apache-perl is staticaly compiled with mod_perl (that is it's the same as installing apache+mod_perl). so how come I can install both? the same with apache-ssl. Am I missing something here?

Re: Making PDF document in KWord

2003-03-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 10:12:04AM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can create a PS document with TeX and then convert it to PDF using 'ps2pdf'; the result is usually poor. Try making your ps file with dvips -Ppdf file.dvi -o file.ps

Re: Finally - Your Own Low Cost Teleconferencing Service!

2003-03-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 10:32:46PM -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Conference Service wrote: [ snip _entire fdreaking spam message ] Okay, this is just bad, folks. Consider yourself whacked upside the head with a clue-by-four. Reposting spam to any mailing list is at best considered bad form

Re: MySQL 4

2003-03-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:58:23PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Brian Nelson wrote: Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Andrew Pritchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030318 15:27 PST]: With the recent release of MySQL 4, I was wondering when (if ever) Debian was going to be incorporating it

Re: TELNET

2003-03-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 11:43:44AM +, Joao Paulo wrote: telnet is also very good (but for other things). telnet host 25 telnet host 21 ... Yuck. Use 'nc' from the netcat package instead. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Great minds discuss

Re: Source for 2.2.20 kernel

2003-03-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 12:47:28AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:51:14AM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: I'm missing something. What is the name of the source for the 2.2.20 kernel? kernel-source-2.2.20 if it's still actually in the distribution; it's pretty

Re: failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:56:01AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: i never had problems with this before even though i noticed a million people complaining. i would like to unsubscribe from a debian-curiosa. i know for a fact that i am subscribed to debian-curiosa as [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus i do:

Re: Bad Debian (L.A.H.)

2003-03-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 06:53:54PM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:53:08PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: ... IMO, you can avoid anything printed by Prentice Hall except stuff written by W. Richard Stevens. I think that's ill informed advice. Some of the best

Re: [SOLVED] Re: fetchmail and SMTP return codes

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 03:58:05PM +, Jason Chambers wrote: The SMTP protocol is documented RFC821 so you can see how mail servers communicate and what the three digit codes mean. You can then test stuff by telnet localhost 25 which is useful for troubleshooting problems. Please refer

Re: Installing Intel compiler RPMs on Debian

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:34:05AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: Charlie Zender wrote: Hi, What is the recommended way to install the Intel Fortran and C/C++ compilers on Debian? They come as a set of RPMs. The RPMs do not install on my Debian system, because there are no RPMs installed on

Re: Bad Debian (L.A.H.)

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:08:00AM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 06:10:07PM +0100, J. Lambrecht wrote: // I am not on the list so please, reply to all Sigh, and now i now why Debian's not for kids --- From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice

Re: buy or build computer?

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:55:32PM -0500, Peter Christensen wrote: My five-year-old Gateway Pentium 200 MHz died recently. (It won't boot from the hard drive or a rescue disk, and it won't go into bios-setup mode.) I don't think it's fixable, and anyway, it was so slow that it's probably time

Re: Bad Debian (L.A.H.)

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:19:46PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Nathan E Norman writes: There are some oddities in /etc/init.d on debian systems; some maintainbers have, er, interesting ideas about scripting. However, the cool thing about debian is even if the script is FUBAR I can rewrite

Re: resetting a network card

2003-03-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:53:26AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that the network card, after lots of data (about 4GB) - either in receive or in transmit, stops responding correctly. So

Re: Dumb question: How do you reboot?

2003-03-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:15:26AM -0500, Bob Paige wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: [ No technical content, just a funny story ] At a prior job, we had a bunch of servers in a datacenter. Some of the datacenter people liked to play with the keyboard; one of them was convinced that the only

Re: Kernel compile for dhcpd

2003-03-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:35:55PM -0800, Curtis Vaughan wrote: [ Please don't top post, it makes your post hard to read and easier to ignore ] Hubert Chan states that I can just take my old config file and copy to the new tree. I assume you mean to copy it to where I am compiling the

Re: Orinocco Silver and wep encryption.

2003-03-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 01:20:10AM -0500, Mark Roach wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 11:33, Martin Fluch wrote: Hi! I try to get the WEP encryption (sure, it is not secure but better than nothing) on my wireless card (Orinocco Silver) to work at home. No problem to use it under Windows,

Re: Patched sendmail? testing?

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:50:40AM -0500, stan wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 02:44:41PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: * stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030304 13:11 PST]: My point is that the testing release ahs proven to be stable in a production environemnt (for me at least), and has, for

Re: Patched sendmail? testing?

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 07:58:37AM -0500, stan wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:04:49PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:11:02PM -0500, stan wrote: Well, then shouldn't it allow stable to be released often enough that it acn be used in production For instance how

Re: sendmail security flaw fix

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:43:22PM -0500, Mike M wrote: I've been looking for the Debian response to the recently found sendmail flaw and corresponding fix (http://www.sendmail.org). Can someone point me to where I can find this information? You are subscribed to debian-security-announce,

Re: Dumb question: How do you reboot?

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:36:16PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:37:29PM -0800, Leo Spalteholz wrote: CTRL+ALT+DEL is more equivalent to shutdown -r now than holding the power button.. To be precise, under a default debian config, C-A-D is equivalent to

Re: kernel: lp0 on fire ????

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:20:09PM +1100, John Griffiths wrote: Yes, you are using a retarded email client and inserting this huge disclaimer bullshit which is all one one line. You asked for that one :-) Wow, you're in a charming mood today dude. I see your mailer does not

Re: KNOPPIX and it configure.

2003-03-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 08:22:12AM +0200, Egor Tur wrote: Hi folk. I want to use KNOPPIX for create my LaTex documents. But I can not reconfigure LaTex distributive because files of tetex are on CD. Can I do this. (Now I need reconfigure hyphenations). Thanx. Note: I've never used knoppix.

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