On 19/11/14 15:44, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
songbird songb...@anthive.com wrote:
let us thank each one of them for their efforts
to continue making Debian what it is:
Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what
it
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
was set
On 20/11/14 01:04, Brian wrote:
You could create a free software progam which falsely shouts 'fire' over
the public broadcasting system in a crowded theatre. From your point of
view that would seem to be the best of all possible worlds.
None of the people who were told to fuck off shouted fire
Frankly, I don't understand why so many people are focussing on systemd
so much. In my opinion, systemd ist just a *symptom* (although perhaps a
very prominent one). It is not the *cause* of the disease or the disease
itself.
Has anyone ever wondered where all these funny directories like
On 16/11/14 18:33, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
You might very well be unhappy with this situation, the way the decision
was taken, the way it wasn't challenged by the DDs, the fact that no
conditions were posed to systemd maintainers, or anything else, that's
totally fine. Please just be aware
On 16/11/14 21:42, Keith Peter wrote:
On 16/11/2014, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:
[snip]
It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the
problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were
fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology
On 09/11/14 14:57, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible
ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items.
One of the key characteristics of desktop environments is to conceal
this and make everything look the same.
On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
snip
I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and setting up
a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, divisive, and
general not a wise use of precious free/libre/open community resources,
On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind
I didn't threaten anybody.
do not send 100 mails to ML's
I didn't. I don't even know what ML's are.
Now, my impression is that some people advocating things like Gnome
and systemd
On 03/11/14 01:18, Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:
On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/
It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread.
Required reading
On 03/11/14 07:13, Charles Kroeger wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 20:10:01 +0100
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I see from other messages in this thread that I'm not the only person to
think it equally ludicrous to have a workflow that involves rebooting
On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/
It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread.
Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and
insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word dumb
On 01/11/14 17:58, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Surprisingly 10th of different executables talking to each other using
a common IPC mechanism (dbus here) seems to be really unixy to me...
And what are these 10s of different executables talking about behind my
back? ;-)
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On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote:
I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of
/usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent
installations (not that I like
On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one partition
(beginners)?
If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems
because of stuff not mounted.
I guess you're right that there was an option to have
On 25/10/14 12:36, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 24 oct 14, 14:24:31, Peter Nieman wrote:
And there should be ethical considerations, e. g. to not expose the users by
default to software that due to its complexity and technical characteristics
might facilitate intrusion and spying.
Dam'it, we
On 25/10/14 17:38, Martin Read wrote:
I would take the several alternatives as tending to indicate that
perhaps sysvinit + sysvrc does not work perfectly well, but instead
merely BALGE (By And Large Good Enough).
I really doubt that it indicates anything like that. There are more
reasons why
On 23/10/14 22:10, David L. Craig wrote:
On 14Oct23:2035+0300, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote:
That's not the point. From the technical point of
view, IMO, you are correct but that's not the only
view that exists in Debian Project, me thinks.
[snip]
My choices reg. my use of technology
On 21/10/14 21:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
Using systemd since 2014-08-09 with no issues.
Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
wins its war against Linux.
On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
systemd
dbus
pam
gnome
And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to
this list, too. And the word udev doesn't have alltogether positive
connotations
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even though I don't have cups, I can't get rid of libcups2. If I try
to
On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on it no longer worked? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
Yes, I got
On 18/10/14 19:36, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of
On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
on dbus although dbus
On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
it muddies the discussion. Tangents deserve their own, appriately chosen
Subject line, threads - then they get the attention they deserve instead
of being passed over by reader on the
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
Debian ship a version that depends on it?
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On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus
On 11/10/14 20:00, Nate Bargmann wrote:
This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the
systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of when
systemd will be feature complete?
Didn't Mr. Poettering make it sufficiently clear in numerous speeches
that the
On 07/10/14 07:23, Steve Litt wrote:
These are nowhere near a verbatim repeat of what the Listmaster said,
but if these two things are what he meant, well, I can live with that,
always assuming it's enforced uniformly and posters are notified when
their posts go to /dev/null.
I'll try hard to
On 07/10/14 18:00, Steve Litt wrote:
Read ^H^H^H^H skim the thread. Notice how, in the first 10 posts, after
insisting that alternate inits be part of the discussion, a guy named
Thorsten Glaser was ordered not to bring up alternate inits in the
thread again. Again and again, the conversation is
On 28/09/14 12:37, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman:
On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency
creep.
I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever
On 28/09/14 18:57, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I want change. Change is life. There is
nothing static in life.
That's a nice kitchen philosophy (as we would call it in German), and
one that the sellers of novelties of all kind will appreciate.
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On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency creep.
I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever having run
into a situation where installing a non-DE package resulted in KDE
components being pulled in. But
On 25/09/14 12:09, martin f krafft wrote:
But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
declared next year the Year of Linux of the Desktop and forgot that
the Universal Operating System should also cater to non-desktops.
Exactly.
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On 23/09/14 00:53, lee wrote:
Fortunately, you don't even need to install it on Debian.
Except that in Wheezy an awful lot of packages depend on libpulse0 even
though they work perfectly well without Pulseaudio, and they'll create a
directory under $HOME that contains nothing more than a
On 20/09/14 22:20, Don Armstrong wrote:
In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but
maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing
to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively
draining existing contributor's desire to continue
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful list master -
is trying to stop this?
This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any
meaning at all.
p.
On 18/09/14 17:09, Steve Litt wrote:
I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed
miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need
when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about
it?
There's a graphical frontend called qjackctl
On 13/09/14 22:46, lee wrote:
I'd be happy to see some support. I cannot speak for the users or for
the free software community. You users, and the community members,
whoever they are, need to speak as well.
OK, so I'll speak as well. :-)
But first of all I'd like to thank you and some
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