Re: The strange case of sudo segfaulting on exit
Followup post: After further prodding and asking around, the answer turns out to be "for some strange reason, on some of my systems, sudo/su are mapping a bunch of additional libraries, including the application library you were originally playing with (libzfs), so the crashing on exit when you've overwritten one of the mapped libraries is expected behavior". While I still would like to know why, precisely, sudo and su are mapping apparently-unrelated libraries dynamically, this is no longer surprising behavior, given the discovery that it's mapping in superfluous libraries for fun. Thanks to anyone who read the above longwinded writeup, - Rich On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 12:37 AM Rich wrote: > > Hi all, > reportbug pointed me here because I wasn't sure where to file this > bug. I'll start by summarizing the observed behavior, and then go into > more detail below. > > If anyone can suggest further debugging steps to take (or where to > direct a bug report), I'd be grateful. :) > > $ sudo -i > # cp /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 /tmp/ > # cp /tmp/libz.so.1.2.11 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 > # exit > logout > Segmentation fault > $ > > I first encountered this behavior on a Debian bullseye VM running in > VirtualBox on a non-ECC (Intel Coffee Lake) host. I then created an > entirely new Debian bullseye VM from install media [1] on another > ECC-having (Intel Broadwell) host using KVM, and reproduced this > behavior. So if it's a bug in virtualization software, it's not just > one implementation. > > The segfault in question does not occur if a cp is not performed to > one of a number of possible library files in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ - > it does not appear to be all of them, as I tested with libanl-2.31.so > and it did not cause a segfault on exit, but I do not know what the > requirements are. > > The behavior in question is not specific to libz.so.1.2.11 somehow, > that was just a convenient example - I originally encountered this > when I was iterating on development of a different library by cping > the recompiled library over and wondering why my sudo cp [...] > segfaulted after completion. (Said software I was working on has never > been installed on the KVM VM, so I think it's safe to say that it's > unrelated to the problem.) > > I also reproduced this behavior on a CentOS 8 VM running on the same > aforementioned VirtualBox host, but not a Debian buster VM on same. > > The behavior persists across cold and warm power cycles of the VM. > > While experimenting with someone in #debian, I tried installing sudo > from experimental, and it still died the same way. > > I quickly tried building sudo from buster on bullseye, and it still > dies the same way as well. > > "debsums" reports nothing but "OK" on either bullseye VM. > > Curiously, "su - root -c 'cp [...]'" segfaults on the VirtualBox VM > but not the KVM VM. > > Thanks, > - Rich > > [1] - debian-bullseye-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso, if curious
The strange case of sudo segfaulting on exit
Hi all, reportbug pointed me here because I wasn't sure where to file this bug. I'll start by summarizing the observed behavior, and then go into more detail below. If anyone can suggest further debugging steps to take (or where to direct a bug report), I'd be grateful. :) $ sudo -i # cp /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 /tmp/ # cp /tmp/libz.so.1.2.11 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 # exit logout Segmentation fault $ I first encountered this behavior on a Debian bullseye VM running in VirtualBox on a non-ECC (Intel Coffee Lake) host. I then created an entirely new Debian bullseye VM from install media [1] on another ECC-having (Intel Broadwell) host using KVM, and reproduced this behavior. So if it's a bug in virtualization software, it's not just one implementation. The segfault in question does not occur if a cp is not performed to one of a number of possible library files in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ - it does not appear to be all of them, as I tested with libanl-2.31.so and it did not cause a segfault on exit, but I do not know what the requirements are. The behavior in question is not specific to libz.so.1.2.11 somehow, that was just a convenient example - I originally encountered this when I was iterating on development of a different library by cping the recompiled library over and wondering why my sudo cp [...] segfaulted after completion. (Said software I was working on has never been installed on the KVM VM, so I think it's safe to say that it's unrelated to the problem.) I also reproduced this behavior on a CentOS 8 VM running on the same aforementioned VirtualBox host, but not a Debian buster VM on same. The behavior persists across cold and warm power cycles of the VM. While experimenting with someone in #debian, I tried installing sudo from experimental, and it still died the same way. I quickly tried building sudo from buster on bullseye, and it still dies the same way as well. "debsums" reports nothing but "OK" on either bullseye VM. Curiously, "su - root -c 'cp [...]'" segfaults on the VirtualBox VM but not the KVM VM. Thanks, - Rich [1] - debian-bullseye-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso, if curious
Re: non-smart debian phone
Is the screen really a show-stopper? If not, how about getting a PinePhone CE, and running Mobian or postmarketOS on it? https://store.pine64.org/product/pinephone-community-edition-postmarketos-with-convergence-package-limited-edition-linux-smartphone/ -r > From: Dan Hitt > Subject: non-smart debian phone > Date: August 5, 2020 at 21:38:40 PDT > To: debian-user > > I plan to get a non-smart phone to replace my smart phone. > > By non-smart, i mean that it does not have a touch screen. > > However, it might be reasonable for it to have a usb port not just for > charging, but for communication with my computer. Conceivably it might be > useful to download voice mail to my computer, for example, or maybe to play > through its speakers. > > It would be nice if it ran a free operating system, such as debian. > > Does anybody have any experience along these lines, or advice? > > Thanks in advance! > > dan
Does “apt-get install” follow “recommends” links recursively?
Debian's "apt-get install" command is documented as following "recommends" links by default. It also follows "depends" links, presumably in a recursive fashion. However, I haven't been able to find out if it also follows recommends links recursively. For example, let's say that I run "apt-get install foo" and that foo depends on or recommends bar. I would expect apt-get to install bar and all of its dependencies. However, I don't know whether it would also install bar's recommended packages, etc. Can someone please clarify this? -r
Four new mailing lists of possible interest
Use the email addresses/URLs to subscribe, if you wish. mint-users Discussion of the Mint Linux distribution mint-users-requ...@firemountain.net http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/mint-users (independent, not affiliated with the Mint Linux project) dumpsterfireDiscussion of security and privacy issues in the IoT dumpsterfire-requ...@firemountain.net http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/dumpsterfire nosql Discussion of nosql and related technologies nosql-requ...@firemountain.net http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/nosql (Quasi-replacement for the nosql-discussion mailing list hosted by Google, which has apparently been abandonded by its owner and is now overrun with abuse.) openvas-users Discussion of the OpenVAS intrusion detection system openvas-users-requ...@firemountain.net http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/openvas-users (independent, not affiliated with the OpenVAS project) ---rsk
Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:12:15PM +0200, Francesco Porro wrote: > As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you: > which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists? None. Free email services are wholly inadequate for professional uses like participation in mailing lists. They suffice for some "throwaway" purposes but none of them have managed to demonstrate acceptable levels of competence and diligence, and most of them are plagued by systemic, chronic problems such as laughably bad anti-spam controls (both in the sense of false negatives and false positives) and completely non-responsive RFC 2142 role addresses (e.g., postmaster). A number of them have been repeatedly hacked on a large scale, and several of them continue to exhibit problems strongly suggesting that the lights are on, but nobody's home. If you want quality service, you're going to have to pay for it. (Note that you also pay for free email services: it's just that the bill isn't quite so overt.) I recommend Panix (panix.com) as one provider worthy of consideration. (Note: I'm a long-time Panix customer, however I get nothing for recommending them.) There are others who also provide quality service at reasonable rates and who have demonstrated that they're run by clueful, attentive, responsive people. ---rsk
Re: mailing list vs "the futur"
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to > indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed > to say something on the mailserver itself? Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: :0: * ^X-Mailing-List:.* /home/rsk/linux/debian-user Translating, this means that any message which has the specified header will be appended to the file named in the last line. (It would be nice if the debian lists complied with RFC 2919 by using List-Id, but at least this header works and is consistent throughout.) The small regexp in there is present because the functional part of the header is the text in angle brackets; any text preceding it is for human consumption, and may change (or not be present at all). A typical usage pattern for procmail might be something like this: mail server -> fetchmail -> procmail -> mail client In other words, a program like fetchmail is used to retrieve mail (via POP or IMAP) from a mail server. Fetchmail hands off each message to procmail. Procmail decides what to do with each message, which usually means filing it. [1] The user can then read each mailing list by pointing their mail client at it. This also accumulates a per-mailing list archive (in mbox format), which is useful. This is a highly scalable, very robust setup for anyone who has to deal with lots of mailing lists or with correspondence involving diverse groups of people. It scales to thousands of rules (I have 3000+ as of this morning), it executes quickly, and because procmail is careful to Do The Right Thing even under adverse circumstances, it's rather tolerant of configuration errors. Happily, most mailing lists now support RFC 2919 (or at least something functionally equivalent, as we see here) so it's not often necessary to craft procmail rules based on other headers. ---rsk [1] Although it could also mean forwarding it, duplicating it, discarding it, etc. For example, there exists a mailing list called "outages", which is used to announce and track outages of networks and other operations of interest. If you're subscribed to outages and have a particular interest in certain ASNs or operations, you can easily craft a procmail ruleset specific to those that (a) files a copy of the message as above and (b) upon a relevant Subject-line match, submits a duplicate copy of the message to an internal ticketing system so that it becomes visible to operations staff, and so that it can be tracked in the same way as other trouble reports.
Re: mailing list vs "the futur"
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the > right tools, it's easy to deal with. This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints like the one that started this discussion thread have chosen very poor tools and thus have conflated the failings of those tools with some non-existent inherent problems with mailing lists. Serious email users should be using mutt, which is fast, compact, resistant to attack, and has an astonishing number of features. Those who receive large volumes of mail should be using procmail to pre-sort it, and they should be aware of RFC 2919 (and thus the existence of List-Id) as an excellent means for doing so. These two tools in combination make dealing with large amounts of traffic to large numbers of mailing lists quite easy. Furthermore, everyone using mailing lists should be maintaining their own archive, simply because there's no reason not to. The storage required is small by contemporary standards and doing so allows the use of local search tools (e.g., grepmail) which can invaluable in locating relevant messages. (Those who haven't been doing this can usually backfill by downloading the archives maintained by the site running the mailing list. in turn, everyone running a mailing list should take care to see that those archives are fully accessible, unredacted, and downloadable on demand.) ---rsk
Re: mailing list vs "the futur"
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more > modern like a bugzilla or else ??? No. This is an absolutely terrible idea. Here's why mailing lists are (along with Usenet newsgroups) vastly superior to web-based anything: 1. They're asynchronous: you don't have to interact in real time. You can download messages when connected to the Internet, then read them and compose responses when offline. 2. They work reasonably well even in the presence of multiple outages and severe congestion -- because they queue. 3. They're push, not pull, so new content just shows up. Web forums require that you go fishing for it. 4. They scale beautifully. 5. They allow you to use *your* software with the user interface of *your* choosing rather than being compelled to learn 687 different web forums with 687 different user interfaces, all of which range from "merely bad" to "hideously bad". 6. You can archive them locally... 7. ...which means you can search them locally with the software of *your* choice. Including when you're offline. And provided you make backups, you'll always have an archive -- even if the original goes away. (Those of who've been around for a while have seen a lot of web-based discussions vanish forever because a host crashed or a domain expired or a company went under or a company was acquired or someone made a mistake or there was a security breach or a government confiscated it.) 8. They're portable: lists can be rehosted relatively easily. 9. (When properly run) they're relatively free of abuse vectors. 10. They're low-bandwidth, which is especially important at a point in time when many people are interacting via metered services that charge by the byte and are WAY overpriced, and getting more overpriced every day. 11. They impose minimal security risk. 12. They impose minimal privacy risk. 13. They can be freely interconverted -- that is, you can move a list hosted by A using software B on operating system C to host X using software Y on operating system Z. 14. They're archivable in a format that is likely to be readable long into the future. (I have archives of lists from the early 1980's. Still readable with contemporary software because they're in mbox format. I see no sign that this will cease to be true.) 15. They can be written to media and read from it. This is a very non-trivial task with web forums: just try doing the equivalent of #13 above. Good luck with that. 16. They handle threading well. And provided users take a few seconds to edit properly, they handle quoting well. 17. Numerous tools exist for handling mbox format: for example, "grepmail" is a highly useful basic search tool. Most search engines include parsers for email, and the task of ingesting mail archives into search engines is very well understood. Excellent archiving tools exist as well. 18. The computing resources require to support them are minimal -- CPU, memory, disk, bandwidth, etc. (I recently set up an instance of Mailman for someone that's working perfectly fine on a 10-year-old laptop.) 19. Mailing lists interoperate. I can easily forward a message from this list to another one. Or to a person. I can send a message to multiple lists. I can forward a message from a person to this list. And so on. Try doing this with web forum software A on host B with destinations web forum software X and Y on hosts X1 and Y1. Good luck with that. 20. Mailing lists can be uni- or bidirectionally gatewayed to Usenet. (The main Python language mailing list is an example of this.) This can be highly useful. There's more, but I think this easily suffices to make a slamdunk case. ---rsk
Re: Writing to 2 TB USB hard drive fails
Rich Hare wrote: Petter Adsen wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:28:21 -0500 Rich Hare freepr...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to Debian, but learning. My issue involves 2 TB USB hard drives. I have been using Debian via the Knoppix bootable CD to back up a couple of Win XP computers. Has been working wonderfully with a 500 GB drive I've used and also a 1 TB drive. How do you back up? What software? Is there a verbose/debug/logging option? Petter Petter, After booting into Debian, Knoppix allows me to see each drive. I do a simple "copy" and "paste" to copy the files from the Windows machine to the backup drive. Using Debian, I avoid several Windows issues like a long-filename limitation and Windows' reluctance to copy "sacred" Windows system files. Once copied, I can re-copy the files in a Windows environment, again using copy-and-paste. At this very minute I am using Windows to copy several backups to the 2 TB drives. I don't like conventional backup software which likes to compress files and make image copies. I want to be able to go into a backup and select (perhaps) only one particular file to restore. Thank you for your interest in my problem! Rich (Petter, you have received this previously, when I responded directly to you and failed to include the list) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54db86ff.5050...@gmail.com
Writing to 2 TB USB hard drive fails
I am new to Debian, but learning. My issue involves 2 TB USB hard drives. I have been using Debian via the Knoppix bootable CD to back up a couple of Win XP computers. Has been working wonderfully with a 500 GB drive I've used and also a 1 TB drive. I recently purchased a couple of 2 TB drives for this purpose, but have a problem. The drives will mount; the backup (70-80 GB) will start, but terminates without error message after a few folders are copied; leaving a bad file or two behind. (Windows reports the files are bad and can't even delete them). I tried partitioning the drive into two 1 TB partitions, but this, too, does not work. I've used a Seagate utility to check if the drives have 512 byte sectors or 4096 byte sectors and they are 512 byte NTFS sector drives. The drives work well with WinXP. My present work-around is to make my backup using one of the smaller drives and then copy it over to one of the 2 TB drives, but this is a kludge, long-term. If you have any suggestions, or ideas for further tests, I would appreciate them. Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54db7515@gmail.com
Re: etch-to-lenny upgrade problem...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:30:19 +0200, Ed Sutter wrote: Hi, Last week I attempted to upgrade to lenny. Everything *seemed* to go well, until I rebooted.. Now at startup I see a few errors (see below) and end up with no GUI, and no network connectivity. Bottom line... It ain't good. :-( Anyone have a clue what may have happened? Thanks in advance, Ed Here are the errors I notice during startup... 1: udev_rules_init could not read /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp7.rules 2: /etc/rcS.d/S03udev: line 292 udevtrigger: commnad not found 3: Then for about three minutes the system sits at this message: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated... 4: Failed to load module vesa (module does not exist) I'm then able to log in at the text-only console, and my previously (as-in etch) installed files/directories are there, but I have no network connectivity. I don't know about 1-3. Regarding 4, I've seen lenny fail to load the video modules. If you enter: aptitude search vesa do you get a line like: i A xserver-xorg-video-vesa - X.Org X server -- VESA display driver You probably won't see the 'i' at the beginning of the line, which indicates that the vesa module is installed. If you don't see that, you'll need to install xserver-xorg-video-vesa using aptitude/apt/your- favorite-package-manager. -- Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: etch-to-lenny upgrade problem...
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:20:17 +0200, Steve Witt wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Adriano Trentini wrote: Hi. I'm not professional. I have Lenny installed in a AMD Duron. Why to upgrade etch if you can simply install Lenny? Because it is easier to upgrade than to reinstall in most cases. Usually the machine's configuration is not affected during the upgrade and usually upgrades go pretty smoothly. snip For a single user, I suggest that this is a BIG reason for upgrading etch instead of installing lenny from scratch, Adriano. You won't have to answer all those setup questions (keyboard type, locale, timezone, etc.). If you are using X and a desktop (Gnome, KDE, etc.), your email will still be set up, with all your mail and folders in place. Your bookmarks will still be installed and working. Basically, your home directory will have all the data and configuration files as you left them -- you won't have to reconfigure email, your browser, your word processor, etc. Sometimes problems do occur with an upgrade. But the upgrade is usually easier than a fresh install. Be sure to follow the recommendations on the Debian web site. In particular, update etch before upgrading to lenny, and back up your data and config files, just in case ;-) -- Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: problem with nvidia module and kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 SOLVED
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:20:04 +0200, Norbert Zeh wrote: 'aptitude search nvidia' showed the following packages as installed: nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 I'm just guessing, but shouldn't you install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 if you run linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64? At least an aptitude search nvidia showed me this package as installable. Cheers, Norbert You're right Norbert! Many thanks. I don't know how I missed that, which is literally exactly what I did. I scanned the listings for a '-2-' version of the nvidia-kernel and just didn't see it. You prompted me to look again, and of course it was there. I'm still wondering how the system seemed to be working fine for 3 months with the '-2-' image and the '-1-' nvidia, but I'm delighted to have the current problem solved so simply. -- Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
problem with nvidia module and kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64
We had a power failure here yesterday. The problem machine was on a small UPS, so it stayed up initially. After a few minutes without power, I tried to shut down the machine normally using the KDE logout - Turn off computer sequence. OOWrite was still open, and it popped up the dialog box asking Save/Discard/Cancel the current document. I chose Discard, and the machine froze up. Wouldn't respond to keyboard or mouse. So I held down the power switch to turn it off. When I powered back up about an hour later, the machine booted up, tried to run kdm, and then quit, displaying only a command-line login prompt. syslog and Xorg.0.log both indicated that the system couldn't find the nvidia module (the open source version from the Debian repositories). Here are the last few lines from Xorg.0.log: -- (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** (II) UnloadModule: nvidia (II) UnloadModule: wfb (II) UnloadModule: fb (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found -- This occurred with linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. 'lsmod | grep nvidia' returned no modules. 'aptitude search nvidia' showed the following packages as installed: nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 These are the same packages I have been using without problem since 4 March 2009. I still had linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 on the hard drive and in /boot/ grub/menu.lst. So I rebooted into that kernel. KDE came up fine, and the Xorg log now shows that the nvidia stuff was loaded properly. I ran aptitude in interactive mode, going through the 'u' (update), 'U' (upgrade), and 'g' (go) options, which reinstalled linux- image-2.6.26-2-amd64, but I get the same nvidia failure with that kernel. Helpful advice, please! -- Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Enabling MySpace in Iceweasel, et al.
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:30:21 +0200, AG wrote: Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:32:39 +0100 AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello AG, File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68 site keeps insisting that I / / Get Flash now! Probably because your flash player is quite old. Update to v10. From the above - that is apparent. However, I thought that I was dealing with Flash 10 ... at least, that is what I downloaded from the adobe site and thought I was installing. In light of this, which is the best candidate to use: the non-free mozilla flash plugin or another? Cheers AG When I installed the v10 plugin from Adobe, I found that it was placed in the wrong directory (I think it was a mozilla directory rather than iceweasel). There was no .so file nor a link to the player in /usr/lib/ iceweasel/plugins. You might try to locate libflashplayer.so, make sure it's got a recent (2009) date, and then move it to the iceweasel plugins directory or make a link there. I tried a couple of alternatives available in Lenny (gnash and another I've forgotten) and they didn't work as universally as the one from Adobe. BTW, you seem to be sending both plain text and HTML. Please try to turn off HTML. -- Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How do you get iceweasel (or another browser) to save what otherwise the flashplayer plays?
On Sun, 31 May 2009 12:50:11 +0200, thveillon.debian wrote: snip Use Firefox better privacy extension, it can wipe the .macromedia content automatically. snip Tom Thanks for this tip. I've been doing it manually once in a while. I should spend more time looking over the available add-ons and plug-ins sigh. Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Second ethernet card seems to cause networking failure?
On Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:07 +0200, Frank Miles wrote: Sure, can provide more info... /etc/network/interfaces : auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth0 inet static address xxx.yyy.zzz.32 network xxx.yyy.zzz.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast xxx.yyy.zzz.255 gateway xxx.yyy.zzz.100 pre-up /etc/iptables/iptables.sh start post-down /etc/iptables/iptables.sh stop # The secondary network interface auto eth1 #iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.42.100 network 192.168.42.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 #broadcast 192.168.42.255 gateway 192.168.42.100 === route result: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface xxx.yyy.zzz.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.42.0* 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 === To reiterate: * The fundamental breakdown involves communication over the eth0 interface. Things just seem to hang when trying stuff like apt- get update. * ssh'ing into this machine from another host (directly to the IP of this machine) always works. * firewall is unchanged; well, ok, added: $IPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 ! -s 192.168.42.0/25 -j DROP $IPT -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -s 192.168.42.0/24 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A INPUT -i eth1 ! -s 192.168.42.0/24 -j DROP $IPT -A INPUT -i eth1 -s 192.168.42.0/24 -j ACCEPT All communication with 192.168.42.x devices is functional. Listing iptables -L -n -v shows eth0 where it should. * simply turning firewall off (allowing everything) does not (at least by itself) fix eth0 communication. * as you can see, this is IPs are entirely static - no dhcp * network-manager not installed Since turning eth1 entirely OFF seems key to restoring eth0 full functionality, I agree that somehow the system seems confused about which interface to use. Any other thoughts/ideas welcome! -f * This may be a somewhat naive question, but ... Do the HWaddr's reported by ifconfig correctly match the MAC addresses for both eth0 and eth1? Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: digitalizing audio records from vinyl supports
On Tue, 19 May 2009 17:20:15 +0200, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone ! What software would you advise for a realistic job, I mean : a fair quality without too much trouble. My systems : Debian Sarge on my desktop, Ubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) on my laptop. I did a lot of these conversions this past year. I was still using Sarge and KDE 3.5 at the time. I have a turntable that has a line out connector. I fed this to line in on the computer's audio card. I used Krec to record an entire side of a record and save to the hard drive as a .wav file. I wanted to use Audacity directly, but for some reason Audacity superimposed a high-pitched whine on the recordings that I couldn't make go away. I then used Audacity to cut each .wav file into separate tracks (manually, one track at a time) and save those as .mp3 files using lame. I did some .ogg, but mostly mp3. Without too much trouble? Well, it was pretty laborious, but the results are good. Hope that helps. Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Print Server
Gerald C.C wrote: Hi Guy's, I have arrived at this point more or less by accident. I am not really sure this is where i ask for help!!! I have 'Lenny' installed and I would like to use it as a server. That said i am sharing files OK but although my other boxes see the printers I cannot print to them. Your thoughts on this matter will be greatfully received. Gerald If you have Lenny installed, you may also have CUPS installed. There are a couple of settings there you should make. If you do have CUPS, using your web browser, go to http://localhost:631 on the computer that has the printer(s) connected. Select the Administration tab. Select the Manage Printers button. Select the Publish Printer button for the printer(s) you want to make available. Back up to the Administration page. Check the box that says Share published printers connected to this system. You should then be able to go to another computer, install the printer(s) you just published, and print. Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: pidgin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Dalton wrote: Hello, It looks like what I want, however, I am vission impaired, and unfortunately tk (is that what the tool kit is called I'm not a programmer), won't support braille. I ended up getting my issue sorted out, but thanks for the suggestion, perhaps one day when it is accessible I might give it ago. Have a good one Daniel On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 03:14:06PM -0800, Angus Auld wrote: I used to use pidgin, when it was called gaim, but I have since started using aMSN. I am uncertain as to whether pidgin has off-line messaging support, but I do know that aMSN does. It is a very feature rich program, and it works well. It is only MSN capable however, so if you need the other protocols that pidgin supports, aMSN won't fit your bill. Kopete is also a nice program (if you use KDE), but is not off-line message capable to my knowledge. Regards. -- Angus All churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, appear to me no other than human inventions, setup to terrify and enslave mankind - and to monopolize power and profit. -- Thomas Paine (1737-1809) ##Laptop powered by Linux## ##Reg. Linux User #278931## --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Frank Lanitz fr...@frank.uvena.de wrote: From: Frank Lanitz fr...@frank.uvena.de Subject: Re: pidgin To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 9:45 PM Hi Daniel, On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:18:49 +1100 Daniel Dalton d.dal...@iinet.net.au wrote: Can someone please tell me how to enable msn offline messages support in pidgin. So I can read my msn offline messages in pidgin? What version of pidgin do I need, and what is the best way to get this version on debian? is there anything else I must do on debian to enable offline messages? I tried the pidgin support list, but didn't get much help. I guess you should be a bit more patient and wait for a proper answer at pidgin mailing list. From my best knowledge, Pidgin is not supporting sending offline message for MSN in current status (but maybe I'm wrong). But there will be no better information than on their list ... in special when you are building your own binary as you mentioned over there ;) Cheers, Frank aMSN is now using ETK as far as I know. Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / healey.r...@gmail.com Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /healey.r...@itreign.com AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / ri...@psych0tik.net MSN: bitchohea...@hotmail.com \ `- / richohea...@hellboundhackers.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklF4NMACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfR2gCgzzOK1kBjbWhVq6qr2WarSy0J KUAAoJZppnOeRwvDz3RiWISGufWMSRS3 =SJ24 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: I get too many emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PRHarris wrote: Since joining your discussion group, I have been deluged with emails. Please remove me from your membership files. prharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] thank you Patrick Harris I subscribe to a lot of lists with all of my addresses, I use a combination of Gmail's filtering and procmail on the addresses managed on my servers. Because I use IMAP I don't see all the list traffic unless I look at it. Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkHr8oACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcQyACg0FeR/lW9LEPrj4DPWIIqa8JR A1MAmQE/IKqlg7S8PriK5S7rIBEtzM9R =Dvol -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You are a broken record (was Re: friend cannot see me on msn)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Ron, if you can't be nice, please leave the Debian lists. You've been nothing but obnoxious in every reply to one of my messages for months now. It's not appreciated, nor welcome, here. Funny, Paul, people have been thinking the same of you for several years. joke It's gotta be the last name /joke Settle guys, it's a valid point that using XMPP transports is a PITA. I still use msn, if people want to talk to me in a free open fashion, email / XMPP is available to them. If they want it to be easy (especially from windows, msn is standard, i believe) they're free to. Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkAKBAACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfB1gCfc24v+Yc4XsvYdXEjPf2PuzS1 Rn4An3qP3J2PiVVrzmK0vfOPIm+mbeBy =kySV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
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JoeHill wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote:
JoeHill wrote:
Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are
preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not
sure.
...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what
the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned.
This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool
that God Intended Us To Use.
Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are.
node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
hal
The following packages will be upgraded:
djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21
libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil
libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil
libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil
libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil
libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil
libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil
libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil
libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5
mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc
perl-modules screenlets tzdata
44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not
telling me why hal is being held back.
I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm
not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;)
I think you'll find
apt-get dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade, aptitude changed as of lenny, i
dunno what apt-get is doing)
Will give you the info you're looking for, basically upgrade will do
minor updates, security fixes, {dist,full}-upgrade will upgrade
completely, potentially breaking everything.
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Re: Debian on MacBook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koh Choon Lin wrote: Anyone has any luck with gNS on MacBook, single boot? Some time ago, there exists a problem with this configuration -- waiting a minute during booting while it searches for the boot record, and I wonder if this was solved now so I can procure one during Christmas. Please don't get me wrong, but this is a mailing list for *Debian* users. Though there is a (small) chance somebody is running gNS (gNewSense?) you would probably get more and better answers in their mailing lists/forums. Ops sorry, made a mistake. I meant running Debian on a MacBook. :) I ran Debian testing (Lenny) single boot for some time on my MBP without issue. Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj9NYIACgkQLeTfO4yBSAd07gCgmNi2J3viweXK7pPhC4ObtUqk wl0An05vgcpED2pk4fL5Z4LT3OPZDGkR =B0gv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to check a cd-rom?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,17.Oct.08, 18:06:54, Dexter Filmore wrote: snip That doesn't quite work out: mount /cdrom /Fri Oct 17-06:14:44HDC5# md5sum /cdrom md5sum: /cdrom: Is a directory Isn't /cdrom a symlink to /dev/cdrom...? $ ls -l /cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-07-11 00:40 /cdrom - media/cdrom Maybe give it the real device path rahther. He did try that... Regards, Andrei media/cdrom is a mount point. /dev/cdrom is a device node. Regards Rich Healey - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkj5PzYACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcEkQCg0c5k3ZKUCql2kCGeSjRX7B3i CvwAn2QbFZ1z3isNPK1EwUJUEYAY62H/ =Ulpr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why not thunderbird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Leon wrote: T o n g wrote: Hi, I know that thunderbird has been renamed to icedove in Debian. But for iceweasel, we can still type the command firefox, mozilla-firefox, or even mozilla and start it. So why icedove is not providing the thunderbird command? thanks You can try making a link: ln -s /usr/bin/icedove /usr/bin/thunderbird Sam I'd make it in /usr/local/ . Debian likes to keep it's /usr tree to itself. - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkj5P38ACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcNlwCffvgEKeS3DuuoUBsdvmkCYP6R ZWUAoM8eS2dh42Eoyx103qExUeFD8uj/ =93Ap -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old dos and win3.1 games on Debian Etch amd64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sven Joachim wrote: On 2008-10-15 05:37 +0200, Rich Healey wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:29:55PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 06:21:51PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: wine started its life as a windows 3.11 emulator (or non-emulatr, whatever). Not in amd64. At this point, I still think it's too early to run a 64-bit environment unless you actually have programs that require 64-bit support. Too much stuff still only supports a 32-bit environment. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you're running 64-bit on a desktop with no explicit need. I'd disagree. 32bit + 64bit kernel is always a good idea, There's one exception to this rule, namely if you want to run old DOS software. The reason is that the AMD64 architecture does not provide virtual 8086 mode in its 32-bit emulation, so you must use some kind of processor emulation (DOSEMU generally provides that, but the Debian package in Etch may not). However, 16-bit protected mode is still supported, so it should be possible to run Windows 3.x programs under wine. If I were Douglas, I'd definitely go for that first. Sven I can't answer positively, but hardware emulation _OF_SOME_DESCRIPTION_ is definately possible running a 64 bit kernel, I ran lenny amd64 on my MacbookPro and ran a hardware accellerated VirtualBox VM running 32 bit Vista. I don't know how this maps accross to Doug's situation, my thoughts would be that the added instruction set just goes unused because the old application doesn't acknowledge it's existence? Apologies if i'm being dense. Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1l8cACgkQLeTfO4yBSAejQgCgwbUfHexFtXsdjDvbqgMecefV yX4AnA/KogdaKVzdRyh4ttPWV5/GunNL =k2/K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old dos and win3.1 games on Debian Etch amd64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:29:55PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 06:21:51PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Now I have an AMD Athlon 3800+ with 1 GB ram, run Debian Etch amd64 with the nVidia driver in icewm. I have the dos 6.3 set of 5 floppies and the Windows 3.11 set of 6 floppies. I also have the Harpoon for windows CD. The question is what app to run to make it work. The choices seem to be dosbox qemu bochs wine started its life as a windows 3.11 emulator (or non-emulatr, whatever). Not in amd64. At this point, I still think it's too early to run a 64-bit environment unless you actually have programs that require 64-bit support. Too much stuff still only supports a 32-bit environment. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you're running 64-bit on a desktop with no explicit need. I'd disagree. 32bit + 64bit kernel is always a good idea, and 64 bit userlands are fine. The exception is if you have to use binary blobs, and even then kludgy wrappers do exist. I run a 64 bit userland on a PPC machine (this _IS_ a bad idea, but I need the speed..) @Doug, I do love old machines, let us know how you go. I have some disks that you're welcome to, perhaps we can work something out with shipping? If you have some old kit lying around, perhaps we could trade? Regards Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1ZWcACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcYmwCfd70fI6sHhwh6F2BHkHC/LPIJ 08IAn2ROuUclqjBU7iV+w7jl//ASzIkU =b9HI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64 bit kernel, 32-bit userland (was Re: old dos and win3.1 games on Debian Etch amd64)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/14/08 22:37, Rich Healey wrote: [snip] I'd disagree. 32bit + 64bit kernel is always a good idea, and 64 bit How do you do that? Just install the amd64 kernel and reboot? Yup :) Very simple, addresses a lot of problems. In production if a customer purchases x86_64 kit that's what I deploy to them. You'll even find it's in the i386 repos. Regards Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1bjkACgkQLeTfO4yBSAe/NgCfYJGIQNIkY986bHZ+eqEN+22G tpoAn00OuZwFn0wBvjL20ROJdoa6XrRs =gLQp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:[OT] Old Boxen [WAS] old dos and win3.1 games on Debian Etch amd64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:37:11PM +1100, Rich Healey wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:29:55PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 06:21:51PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Now I have an AMD Athlon 3800+ with 1 GB ram, run Debian Etch amd64 with the nVidia driver in icewm. I have the dos 6.3 set of 5 floppies and the Windows 3.11 set of 6 floppies. I also have the Harpoon for windows CD. The question is what app to run to make it work. The choices seem to be dosbox qemu bochs wine started its life as a windows 3.11 emulator (or non-emulatr, whatever). Not in amd64. At this point, I still think it's too early to run a 64-bit environment unless you actually have programs that require 64-bit support. Too much stuff still only supports a 32-bit environment. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you're running 64-bit on a desktop with no explicit need. I'd disagree. 32bit + 64bit kernel is always a good idea, and 64 bit userlands are fine. The exception is if you have to use binary blobs, and even then kludgy wrappers do exist. I run a 64 bit userland on a PPC machine (this _IS_ a bad idea, but I need the speed..) Have you run qemu on that PPC to run x86 dos? I remember drooling over an RS/6000 7025-H50 but I couldn't get Sarge to boot on it. That was before I knew what I know now and perhaps it could have worked. It probably would have been too high a MHz too, but that's another issue on the back burner for now. I just want to relax with some games. @Doug, I do love old machines, let us know how you go. I have some disks that you're welcome to, perhaps we can work something out with shipping? If you have some old kit lying around, perhaps we could trade? I don't have any old kit that I'm not either using or plan to use (remember my low-MHz thread?). Now that I've moved, I want to get my Tyan dual-P-133 box set up (that was generously donated by a fellow DU lurker); all it needs is a new RTC and at least that is in a socket and still available. The only thing I've had fail on good old computers are the hard drives and CPU fans (on my P-II, need to fix that). There are good threads on using CF cards on the OpenBSD-misc list since many of those types use OBSD on CF cards on small boxes to make net appliances. CF cards look just like an IDE disk to the IDE controller and BIOS; just have to watch that you don't hit swap too often... I need to get more memory for both boxes but its not too expensive and is still available from a couple of on-line Canadian sites. Doug. I do remember that slow box thread, sadly my laptop had beer spilt upon it and mangled it pretty good. It's now being readied for mounting in my valiant. - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1bn8ACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcqBwCfSTufYj7P5gIAtz3wffMvoTNe MmoAoJiNnCPt4W/TvNH6jdxBGqAomFD2 =zpL6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64 bit kernel, 32-bit userland (was Re: old dos and win3.1 games on Debian Etch amd64)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/14/08 23:14, Rich Healey wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/14/08 22:37, Rich Healey wrote: [snip] I'd disagree. 32bit + 64bit kernel is always a good idea, and 64 bit How do you do that? Just install the amd64 kernel and reboot? Yup :) Very simple, addresses a lot of problems. In production if a customer purchases x86_64 kit that's what I deploy to them. You'll even find it's in the i386 repos. Thanks. What if I want to build my own kernel? Just build a 64 bit kernel. If you're building an i386 or PPC kernel there is an option toplevel or one down in the config for a 64 bit kernel. These are the only two archtypes i've got much experience with, and also the only two that have a 32 bit subset instruction set that springs to mind. HTH - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1fecACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfKqQCaAhVsYj16vUdYW2C093lOPZHd DnwAmwTaHfOyAaB8XbgbI59Hrsq0xw71 =imF8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to add a virtual directory in apache with support to php files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Star Liu wrote: I'm learning to use php. when i drop my Welcome.php into /var/www, which is the default root directory for localhost, and visit it by http://localhost/Welcome.php, it can display the html normally; but i want my php files in another place like /root/MyLife/LifeOS/StarLiu/, so I add a entry into /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, like this: Alias /php/ /root/MyLife/LifeOS/ Directory /root/MyLife/LifeOS/ Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny allow from all /Directory then i visit it by http://localhost/php/StarLiu/Welcome.php, but it pops out the download dialog to download the Welcome.php file. it seems i didn't configure it correctly, how can i fix it? thanks This is probably better directed at an apache list, but from memory you need to take your handler directives and nest them in the directory tags. Or apply them globally. Sorry for the vague reply - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjsp9MACgkQLeTfO4yBSAdsMgCeLkknfFQRAUxysVI986Qq7wYZ cGwAoIc2ZT96ltynMu4UcHDALmzzj6Rd =JNWr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to change the default web browser from epiphany to iceweasel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Star Liu wrote: as the title. everytime when i click a link in pidgin, it opens epiphany, but i usually use iceweseal, how to change the behavior of pidgin and other applications to use iceweseal as the default web browser? thanks What desktopenvironment? Also, in pidgin's settings i believe this can be changed. something like iceweasel %u for the browser command - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjq/8QACgkQLeTfO4yBSAeDtwCfX3C1eq4vyCBBTz5r11wemqfQ 0mwAn0RTsQltY6nTW4zHHpG/we4D/BS8 =JTfK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to change the default web browser from epiphany to iceweasel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Star Liu wrote: thank you. do you have any IM so that i can add you into my debian group? Hi Star, You've already added me, but as Andrei points out the IRC is a very consistent place to find support/kill time. Kind Regards Rich Healey - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjr84gACgkQLeTfO4yBSAduugCdEez6Zw7d1ua+QozmrXvqheni ftQAn0EruWISAw8pK2TZrJr68NYpJS0h =0ce5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: icedove
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Lindsay wrote: I have just switched over to Debian. I like it a lot better than openSuse and my wife likes it as well. In icedove, if i click on a url it opens up the default web browser. I would much prefer it to open up the Iceweasel browser which is my preferred browser. Where in icedove can I change it to open iceweasel? thanks John Hi John, This was actually just discussed on this list, but in the context of pidgin. I'd suggest searching the archives, but since you're new and I'm in a good mood: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Diego Martínez Castañeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose you're in GNOME, isn't it? Then, go to System-Preferences-Favorite Applications and select yours. I'm not using GNOME in English so, my translation could be wrong. diego On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jaime Tarrant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to set this using: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser This will show a numbered list of installed browsers, from which you can select the number corresponding to your desired web browser. From memory, you need to run this as root. Although, as others have pointed out, some apps hold app specific settings, thus they might also need to be changed. Kind Regards, Jaime Kind Regards, and happy Debian'ing Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjr/SwACgkQLeTfO4yBSAc29gCfegfFXkHpxSV4UpzJ0wgXgbYF rvgAoI12DYHmMj544k1aNRx/L7V7Kfta =zBcS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need help on configing alsa in sarge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Serena Cantor wrote: My sound card is ISA SB 16, which use sb module. It's old, that's why it's hard to config. alsa works in etch, but not in sarge. alsaconf can't find SB 16 in sarge Is it possible to copy alsa config file in etch to sarge? Possibly, but you'd need to check that there were no changes between then configuration settings (uie, added removed features). Can I ask why you're using Sarge still? In a month or so it will be 2 releases old! Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjpcJEACgkQLeTfO4yBSAc7YACfVJc89TIbmufhXrp3C4igdujG EfIAoLbH9eLO/sE+d6cuisYUiIqHM5eT =8My0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian testing + xen 3.2.1 + dom0 kernel 2.6.18 + clvm 2.x - impossible ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Van Biesen wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup a dom0 starting from a debian testing installation. I installed testing, then installed the 2.6.18 kernel from stable and the hypervisor from testing. After a reboot xen is now up and running. I now want to use clvm. So I install redhat-cluster-suite and clvm. This installs the kernel modules for the 2.6.26 and the 2.6.18 kernel. However, the modules for the 2.6.18 kernel are version 1.3x, while for the 2.6.26 kernel are 2.x . Needless to say, cman will not start. I then tried to compile de kernel module for my 2.6.18 kernel from source using the module-assistant. This fails on lm_interface.h, which is not in the 2.6.18 source tree. Is it really impossible to run clvm 2.x on a dom0 ? Or am i missing something ? Has anybody used clvm with xen ? Kindest regards, Peter. Why exactly do you want to use the Etch kernel? - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkjiEfoACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcu4wCgkrY6FSZJtJCqEN2dquDtA+rh pX4AoMO3MyqECH4ZlgdD4PwKXFP0zsu8 =5SIq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian testing + xen 3.2.1 + dom0 kernel 2.6.18 + clvm 2.x - impossible ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Van Biesen wrote: Because you can't use a newer kernel as a xen dom0 kernel. The only working dom0 kernel ( at the moment ) is a 2.6.18 afaik. Kindest regards, Peter. On Tuesday 30 September 2008 13:48:10 Rich Healey wrote: Peter Van Biesen wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup a dom0 starting from a debian testing installation. I installed testing, then installed the 2.6.18 kernel from stable and the hypervisor from testing. After a reboot xen is now up and running. I now want to use clvm. So I install redhat-cluster-suite and clvm. This installs the kernel modules for the 2.6.26 and the 2.6.18 kernel. However, the modules for the 2.6.18 kernel are version 1.3x, while for the 2.6.26 kernel are 2.x . Needless to say, cman will not start. I then tried to compile de kernel module for my 2.6.18 kernel from source using the module-assistant. This fails on lm_interface.h, which is not in the 2.6.18 source tree. Is it really impossible to run clvm 2.x on a dom0 ? Or am i missing something ? Has anybody used clvm with xen ? Kindest regards, Peter. Why exactly do you want to use the Etch kernel? I see, apologies for the blunt reply. Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjiz2QACgkQLeTfO4yBSAe+owCfYmXRAiEngA5uYjr/S5j5fh2c mcYAoLMeSM/smM9u0rVt2HMm9oEqClEf =CW57 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Star Liu wrote: I read a article about the IP issues among Microsoft, SCO, Novel Suse and the other Linux world yestorday. I felt quite angry about what Microsoft has done to Linux in order to keep its market in software. so i hope i can get more information about this. 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? RHEL is teetering on the edge of non-free'd'ness. It's not beer free, and BITS of it are not speech-free, but you're paying for the support contract. RHEL is very open about a) CentOS being a beer free RHEL without the support contract (and with a bigger package set to boot) b) Fedora being a totally speech-and-beer-free distribution that feeds RHEL and Cent, and that the money from RHEL directly sponsors Fedora. Red Hat _DO_ have a clear dedication to the FOSS movement, and are, in my mind at about the same level as myself getting paid to support/implement Debian systems. 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? Knowing what you'd read to lead you to these conclusions would be handy. Regards Rich Healey - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjTSI0ACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfoRQCfaczFj/fOVxGPUDEpBIguiF1k pGQAoLSGKHixerulJFrSCXecIXBGjdGM =Ko/7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Debian Sig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Cox wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 16:43:06 +1000, Rich Healey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bob Cox wrote: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=debian+logo+ascii+art leads to: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/07/msg00686.html HTH Thanks Bob, That's truly amazing! I was actually looking for the email sig sized one I saw, but i'll keep digging through the results of your google dork. The second result leads here: http://thrillofconfusion.com/post/04141446 which may be what you are looking for. Thanks Bob, and others. I found it (see below) :D - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjTI94ACgkQLeTfO4yBSAcdqACgsIrx9SoqVUmnskL5QSTEKsp4 JxYAoMtGayCVk6dA2PikU3PUvWILmShJ =bPMW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Debian Sig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [[Sorry Bob, hit the wrong reply button!]] Bob Cox wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:49:53 +1000, Rich Healey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've seen a ASCII art sig on this list, of the debian swirl.. but can't nut out what to google to find it! If anyone's got it that'd be great.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=debian+logo+ascii+art leads to: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/07/msg00686.html HTH Thanks Bob, That's truly amazing! I was actually looking for the email sig sized one I saw, but i'll keep digging through the results of your google dork. If you look very carefully you'll notice I have a nicely sized hole in my sig.. VV - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjIvfoACgkQLeTfO4yBSAeRbwCgzFfEK9Czrzxk1iA2L2MsIf+D Q20AoLxpiUug8ahOXYIHwigGj2PGFcx0 =7bPJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reply-to-list for icedove? was Re: [OT] was Re: diff display
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thveillon.debian wrote: Johannes Wiedersich a écrit : On 2008-09-10 13:31, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [snip] I am sorry for having accidentally sent that OT message to list. Does anyone know, if there is a way of fixing the missing 'reply-to-list' functionally of icedove for lenny? Since the extension doesn't work any more, I acquired the habit of always using 'reply-all' and then editing the 'to's and 'cc's manually, but unfortunately this is error prone. Thanks, Johannes I have reply to mailing list 0.3.1 and it works ok with Icedove here. https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/thunderbird/addon/4455 It is considered experimental on Mozilla website I just noticed, but never had a problem with it. Tom OOOh thanks! That's brilliant :D - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjJyxgACgkQLeTfO4yBSAdvJQCdFPCs/pRXdybRmX/Nc0LYV/1M 1a0AoKk7nBI14QpDKwm5SVuSmGcjs1zf =wiQm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Debian Sig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've seen a ASCII art sig on this list, of the debian swirl.. but can't nut out what to google to find it! If anyone's got it that'd be great.. Cheers Rich - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \__/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjHJZIACgkQLeTfO4yBSAegNQCgpQiQwEhNNZT4YkFfdqbBBOG6 FS4AnRvVIFRKfzanoWhmsjExiEn5/rje =IRQQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Challenge - Getting Debian Working on a Pair of Real Old Laptops
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scarletdown wrote: I have a pair of old P-I based Toshiba Laptops (Satellite Pro 425CDT and Portege 650CT), and I am trying to figure out how to get a working Debian installation on them. These laptops are very light on RAM. The Satellite has 40MB (which I believe is the most she can take), and the Portege has 24MB (can take up to 80MB). Both of them have successfully run Windows 98SE, so I figure they should be able to run an ultra lightweight Debian desktop as well. For the local desktop setup, which will just be mostly for maintenance purposes, I am wanting to use LXDE as my desktop environment with the only additional X-based apps installed being XMMS (these have decent on board sound, so it would be a shame to let it go to waste), and Dillo, for basic graphical web browsing. The primary use for these two laptops however, will be as thin clients which would connect to another more fully featured Debian system via XDMCP. For this, I will use GDM, since none of the other login managers I have tried have any easy way to select remote login as a session. So anyway, I have run a test install, by first doing a minimal net install of Stable on my build box and upgrading to Sid. After transferring the drive from the build box to one of the laptops, I was greeted with a kernel panic (same with when I tried it in the other laptop). I don't recall what the actual full error messages were, but apparently, neither 24MB or 40MB are sufficient to run a bare bones console only implementation of Debian? I am guessing that these laptops can't use a 2.6 kernel, since I tried Damn Small Linux (which uses 2.4) on them just to see if I could get a working desktop, and was able to run Fluxbox and get on the Web with Dillo. So now that I know that these laptops can boot up into functional Linux systems, are there any suggestions I might try to get a proper pure Debian setup on them? I don't want to go with DSL, because there are just too many annoying little details to configure manually. Come to think of it, I don't really want to go with any live distro. Suggestions? Pointers? Tips? My 480CDT was great with Sid, Till it died (housemates spilled beer on it). My trick was aptitude purge python. (I'm a python coder so I put it back), but that strips the system down. You can also pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel and work your way up fom there.. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAki/lFYACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfLLACaAnp8Dd1Jx45w/dziyIwX0nVc Q+IAnRBRH+eXkZ3iVvpktUK5rr/4K5a/ =0rQg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor needed by debian beginner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: favor needed by debian beginner Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:33:55 +0300 [Your question belongs to debian-user, so I'm Cc'ing there] On Wed,03.Sep.08, 00:00:13, Navjot Kanda wrote: [...] Its my second day and i tried to make some programs with gcc in C language and vim editor. But this vim editor is cumbersome. Here is a nice article which might tell you why (and how) you should use vim: http://linuxgazette.net/152/srinivasan.html Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) I teach C at the college level using Debian (etch). Although the students have gnome and gedit, I actually force them to use vi/nano and the CLI for much of the work. My arguement to them is that different distributions of Linux/UNIX have different apps associated with them; however all(at least all I have seen) have vi and of course the standard terminal interface. As such, as long as they can use the CLI and vi they are capable of utilizing any such machine. Larry And don't forget that once you become accustomed to the power of vim, other editors will start to feel cumbersome by comparison. Rich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki/GOMACgkQLeTfO4yBSAc7mQCdHN9dZkvHEZBlhEUO/Tky8Em3 JUwAnjFXM1ud4HPhKnvGFAEQRodt5lGn =vz5q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need help with cc
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 08/22/08 23:04, Daniel Watkins wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:52:27 -0400
raman narasimhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'm new to debian.. after compilation whenever i type ./a.out, bash
says permission denied or says segmentation fault...
how do i resolve the problem ?
If you get a 'permission denied', ensure that the execute bit is set
('chmod +x file').
But gcc sets the file permissions for you.
If you get a segmentation fault, that suggests that the code being
compiled is faulty.
Blame the compiler That's a CompSci 101 mistake.
Erm.. I believe he was blaming the coder :P
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Re: can't configure networking for static IP address
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: Vwaju [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Given that this server is just a lab project (with no critical data), what's the worst that could happen? Perhaps some smart Russian/Chinese/... finds it and turns it into a bot master, or starts attacking DoD systems with it, or turns it into a clandestine p2p site bringing the MafiAA down on you. Have fun. And then he's partially responsible for leaving his system open (if i leave my car unlocked and someone steals it, no way insurance is paying up but that person still goes to jail). Perhaps he gathers some information on the clandestine party, perhaps he helps them come to justice. Perhaps nothing bad happens! He's behind a nat gateway, and long before he's offering services, his box needs to become publically routable ;) - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkig9kYACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfARgCfUKT9gDPHDBgDru/H0+4hQWof 2vwAoNg+4SU/ajgzgipDiSdC1gKvPgU8 =9hdh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing a package from lenny on an etch machine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mumia W.. wrote: On 08/01/2008 12:17 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: [...] As you can see, the doc package installed OK, but the server package needs a later version of some basic C libraries. I'd rather not upgrade the Etch machine to Lenny right now. And I really don't want to get into running an Etch Machine with Lenny libraries. So I suspect that what I really need to do is download the dibbler source package and recompile it on Etch. Can anybody tell me how to do that? RTFM is easy if you know what parts to read, so if you can point me to the right parts of the FM, that will be great! If you already have the appropriate deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you can do this: mkdir ~/dibbler cd ~/dibbler apt-get install build-essential apt-get source dibbler fakeroot ./dibbler-*/debian/rules binary That should create a dibbler binary in your home directory. If you need to place the deb-src lines in sources.list first, read man sources.list and man apt-get Note, I have no experience with dibber; these are more or less generic instructions for compiling with Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-sourcepkgs Or even, add the source line and apt-get build-dep dibbler apt-get -b source dibbler -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiULrgACgkQLeTfO4yBSAdHuQCePiF5ZeSbjWKxB9KuiHx8XxYU Fo4AoLFGFdwx4PHJpp8mtsITbL6rAk9V =R0Xy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Move IMAP Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a quick question, I just got an iPhone, and want to hook against my gmail account, but as it stands i need to have thunderbird running to filter all my mail so i don't get all my listmail in my inbox on my phone. Gmail's filters/labels don't work.. they just label it and leave it in my inbox. My question is, if I set up getmail + procmail, will the changes filter back to the server? Is there a better way to do this? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiPHjcACgkQLeTfO4yBSAdecwCggTvjAmpSVEntA84UimEYqI4L ybgAn1YkwoeWKYWzYMH6uD0ktqd1QC/Q =z7Yb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Move IMAP Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Rich Healey escreveu: I have a quick question, I just got an iPhone, and want to hook against my gmail account, but as it stands i need to have thunderbird running to filter all my mail so i don't get all my listmail in my inbox on my phone. Gmail's filters/labels don't work.. they just label it and leave it in my inbox. Select also the archive option in the filter, and it will remove the mails from the Inbox. Thankyou! My question is, if I set up getmail + procmail, will the changes filter back to the server? No, because getmail will retrieve your e-mails and procmail will only deal with the local copy. Is there a better way to do this? The solution above should do the trick. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiPq+AACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfu5wCgxpnap2WRTDaROfF05A98nnTx 3XkAoLUs6RU0zbo5fcnLRk2LTAS7Qu1K =hFQu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual machine choices in Debian
H.S. wrote: Hello, Many months ago I had first installed a virtual machine, VMWare. I used it for a few months and then never touched. IIRC, it was free for students back then. This week I looked it up again (I still have the virtual machines installed) and wanted to reinstall the new version of VMWare Desktop. I noticed that it is not free anymore but comes with a 30 day trial feature. So, what free and preferably open source choices do we have for virtual machines in Debian? Pros and cons based on your experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. -HS I've been using a Vista VM every day for work on top of Lenny in VirtualBox for 6 moths now, it's great. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Incredible world-wide transportation network
Nate Bargmann wrote: * Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 15 21:21 -0500]: In 1990? Seems like it would have been a close-out deal. I bought it from a friend at the tech school I was attending. That computer served me very well for several years. Leading Edge D? Nope. No name assemblage of pieces and parts. The main board was a DTK, the rest had various pedigrees such as a Hercules monochrome video board, IBM 88 key keyboard, IBM 62.5 Watt PS that I had to upgrade to a 150 Watt soon after buying the drive, Amdek amber monitor. It did have 640k of RAM and dual 360k floppies when I bought it in 1989. All this talk has be wanting to get my 286 going.. Really need to sort out some Minix install media. Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wine package dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:27 +1000, Keith Bates wrote: The version of wine I'm trying to install is 1.0.0. Debian version is testing. Aah, that's probably your problem. 1.0.0 is in unstable. 1.0rc2-1 is in testing. Unstable does not play well with others: Don't try to pull unstable sources on a testing box. I've never had any issues mixing them...? After all, testing is just week old unstable anyway. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIYDU0LeTfO4yBSAcRApbNAKCjfp3DntJakzS/0dkDxYMhMTcVGQCeOtt7 5sPvbnW7DfnjB8kgsjFDwXA= =NBCd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically illiterate housemate. That and putting xeyes all over his desktop remotely is hilarious. Whatever happened to xroach? It's still in freeBSD's ports.. ftp://ftp.kr.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-current/games/xroach-4.4_1.tbz - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIYFk0LeTfO4yBSAcRAg0lAJ9IfJZAA0fOvU+YjAbUw372IlsE+gCdGU3J cNn3OTJdcPI5h25jMkEXk2M= =0v44 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically illiterate housemate. That and putting xeyes all over his desktop remotely is hilarious. Whatever happened to xroach? sorry dud link, this one is live. ftp://ftp.lf.net/pub/Mirrors/ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.10-RELEASE/packages/Latest/xroach.tgz - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIYF2dLeTfO4yBSAcRAtG3AJ4lsnUbq9tv/AdK09ly3qo5eoytlwCgwh5v r3tqcPXgBE+OjM+u6j6MMuE= =ZU7C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/23/08 21:36, Rich Healey wrote: s. keeling wrote: Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically illiterate housemate. That and putting xeyes all over his desktop remotely is hilarious. Whatever happened to xroach? sorry dud link, this one is live. ftp://ftp.lf.net/pub/Mirrors/ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.10-RELEASE/packages/Latest/xroach.tgz v4.10 is quite old. I wonder why they dropped it from subsequent releases. Bit rot? I've just build xroach 4.03 from potato.. either a) my WM doesn't like it or b) X has changed too much in that time. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIYGToLeTfO4yBSAcRAjy2AKCvx6H8FtOe6kaL/AwLy4GlwrEcZgCgkL+z /s7qm+Id7z06R44pS5Bm96Q= =3eZo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/21/08 22:23, Rich Healey wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, it is a one-user box, No it's not. Unix hasn't just had meat users in 30 years. If you don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd. I meant, the only human user. but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as her. That's horrible security practice. Add an account for yourself, and ssh in under it. I only SSH in from the LAN for a few seconds time ever. I update her system with apt-get, I copy over a file, stuff like that. There is no NAT on the router, so SSH is not forwarded in from outside. Even if, in this instance, there's no harm (she's you're wife, after all), it's still Bad Practice, and that makes for Bad Habits. In 15 seconds you can create user dotan on that machine, and log in as it, then sudo or su to do whatever you need to do. Besides.. I have a similar setup on my mother's machine, where i want my own .vimrc etc.. And how long did it take you to set up that account to your liking?? Not very on each machine, a few scp lines. He really should set up his own account. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIXgAhLeTfO4yBSAcRAvDKAKCWim/hMuNwHDN7yy5iORpCi2nWigCcDZil uRZuzLUOQ6U9c+xpVJ/Fjoo= =H9zt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, it is a one-user box, No it's not. Unix hasn't just had meat users in 30 years. If you don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd. I meant, the only human user. but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as her. That's horrible security practice. Add an account for yourself, and ssh in under it. I only SSH in from the LAN for a few seconds time ever. I update her system with apt-get, I copy over a file, stuff like that. There is no NAT on the router, so SSH is not forwarded in from outside. Even if, in this instance, there's no harm (she's you're wife, after all), it's still Bad Practice, and that makes for Bad Habits. In 15 seconds you can create user dotan on that machine, and log in as it, then sudo or su to do whatever you need to do. Besides.. I have a similar setup on my mother's machine, where i want my own .vimrc etc.. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIXcXNLeTfO4yBSAcRAsrkAJ4yKJxkvXumqS276lg5k3SXBEwDGACdHF00 BmUEiSbW62OnfZzxg4NemjI= =+NLp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01:21PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: does no one use 'talk' anymore? MK Ehm, this is for the console... Better: xtakl or linpopup does no one use CLI anymore? :D xmonad, urxvt, mutt, emacs-nox, mpc, irssi, screen... A A workable (but horrendously insecure) option i use when my housemate is using my computer at home is to login to it, start screen. Then login on a different pty and issue xterm -display :0 -e screen -x with vim already open in my screen session. Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically illiterate housemate. That and putting xeyes all over his desktop remotely is hilarious. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIWyvcLeTfO4yBSAcRAjzCAJ4/NfP06BowTmNe+zdkcY7bS6uJdQCfeaav ME099ToSOUzyIRj2Ur9Rn28= =kxRZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. That said, the user who actually has some need to do it probably has the necessary skills to just remove the (e)uid check. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVgJaLeTfO4yBSAcRAqduAKC/i/gVUPx0vvyUPRRIm/vxTm0XcQCeO4yH 6DtxURQukYDmTDKxzwqcWlA= =vYBA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. And looking at your signature, I noticed IRC wasn't really mentioned in this thread. Not exactly instant-messaging, but a good place to get support (errr... or to be labeled as n00b). I normally use xchat, which is probably also the client of choice for the Gnomes. From what I understand, Konversation is the client of choice for the Trolls (err... KDE folks). The ChatZilla extension to Iceweael (or whatever) is also quite nice. Gaim/Pidgin and Kopete have their own IRC plugins. And there's the irssi terminal-based client. irssi + screen. it's where it's at /plug - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVln+LeTfO4yBSAcRAjjNAJoCsFBI/VG/J1IEhWhuXZGmDBWOdgCgiI72 kNZUXNa3Y1rvmpHqDR6HU6s= =Z6Ng -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian build tools
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi.. I'm trying to get familiar with the debian build tools. I'm familiar with the process for building a package from a source tree, using debuild and or debuild, but i'm wanting to build myself a custom packe, from a debian source pakcage (obtained via apt-get source), with an addition to the configure string. To clarify, I'm wanting to build firefox instead of iceweasel (and technically, i want to build iceweasel with firefox branding, because i think the fox is prettier, and have no real interest in the debian/mozilla pissing match, you both produce great software that i enjoy using). So any guides on how to do this would be great (A do x,y,z would be handy short term.. but really I'm looking for docs). Sorry if these exist somewhere obvious and I haven't found them. Rich - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVxOcLeTfO4yBSAcRAgk9AJ9u0B0jYn5HhLttTPuKYRUHFJiqMACgrvD3 Q7PqSH0buIMSJ7kGPEiPaLQ= =tPBE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root sending messages to users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owen Townend wrote: On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DC The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to DC the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's DC boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by DC SSHing in and having root access. We both use KDE 3.x if it matters. I does no one use 'talk' anymore? lish i never realized [EMAIL PROTECTED] ignoring him was an option. -sp Hey, Talking is a viable option, though less convenient depending on the distance between the computers. My brother and I used to chat over msn/gtalk despite being in the same house. A normal use case was sending a link then going to his room to show/chat about the page. Without the initial step then either I'd have to go get him and bring him back to my pc or take up more time trying to navigate back to the same page. You could always setup your own internal chat server or join up to one of the mainstream ones, though xmessage may fulfill the need as `echo hey|xmessage -nearmouse -file -` is simple enough. cheers, Owen. My housemates and I use msn for talking crap, and my irc network for shouting abuse at each other in a more readable way. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIV0W+LeTfO4yBSAcRAr0HAKC6cKNbA2XCzPGOoQg9VVSMzj0AzQCfeXDV zyE0GgjLeovKx74H6MU1kp0= =XHnQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [soopar OT] Mac killed my keybaord
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregory Seidman wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 04:39:22PM +, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 12:12 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: Nope, the right-click is just the same as any other two-button mouse. Pushing the mouse down with a finger to the left of the top of the mouse is a left-click, pushing the mouse down with a finger to the left of the top of the mouse is a right-click. The squeeze is an entirely different operation, and can be bound to a variety of actions. If you just use the mouse as you are used to using a two-button mouse, it just works (assuming you have enabled the right-click in preferences). Either way, it still proves my ultimate point: Apple originally designed a single-button mouse to keep the learning curve as low as possible. The fact we're having this much discussion over how to make use of modern Apple mice suggests they're failing miserably at the intuition part of the simple mouse. They have managed to take something with very little learning curve and made it an order of magnitude more difficult and less obvious to use than similar competing products, which seems to me is counter to Apple's overall UI goals. Actually, if you sat down to use the mouse you'd find it worked just as you expected. Or if you plugged in a mouse you were used to. But Apple continues to design the system around a single-button mouse to make a friendly learning curve. You don't need a second button to interact with Mac applications. A click-and-hold brings up contextual menus the same way a right-click does. For those of us who expect something different, however, that is supported as well. It's clear to me that you are arguing this from a position of dedicated ignorance. When was the last time you tried to use a Mac? Perhaps a trip to an Apple store would give you some experience on which you could base your end of this discussion. Don't forget to ask the employees at the store to help you out. If you tell them you want to see how to use the Mighty Mouse as a two-button mouse, they'll be happy to help set the appropriate preference. This is not fact. There might be dedicated salespeople who are genuinely helpful. There are a lot who aren't. If I go to 4 mac stores tomorrow half the sales people will almost certainly fob me off. I own a macintosh (iMac G5). It runs Gentoo. I had a crack at osX (it came with leopard on it), and by the time I got it to the point where i could use it it was cluttered as hell from all the hacking I had to get done. More to the point, is that it came with one of those slimline metal keyboards. Honestly, this is one of the best keyboards I've owned, my mac is now keyboardless, I use that metal one at work. _BUT_ during the osX stage, the crazy updaty thing, which I might add is absurdly annoying, came up and offered me a firmware update for my keyboard. When I saw this, my immediate thought was who in their right mind would produce a keyboard that needs firmware?!. But, curiosity got the better of me. And now my beloved keyboard doesn't work the way it used to. On a PC the clear key used to toggle numlock, so on my laptop I could have the numpad work. Now it locks the numlock (Can't be turned off without unplugging the keyboard) and after pressing clear the keyboard stops working until I unplug it, turn off numlock, and plug it back in. It behaves like a laptop keyboard in this mode, with the umo. square as a numpad. Which is all well and good, but if I plug it into my desktop, which defaults to numlock on, I can't turn it off at all, without finding another keyboard, or finding ome arcane X option, that a) I can't type, and b) I can't get into man pages to find it. So basically, an Apple update broke my favourite keyboard. There are similar reports all over mac forums of people with similar experiences on osX. Where's this rant heading? After this happened, I was outraged, so I went to the mac store. I was told a) I was an idiot. What I was saying happening wasn't. Mac don't make mistakes. b) No I can't get a keyboard with the old firmware, it's not supported. How is this good customer service. If you don't want to actually interact with the user input devices and user interfaces we're discussing, I certainly can't make you. You do have to admit to yourself, however, that dismissing it out of hand with no experience is no different from those who say Linux is too hard or isn't ready for the desktop without ever trying it out. Paul Johnson --Greg - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
Re: apt-get joke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owen Townend wrote: On 25/05/2008, Sjoerd Hiemstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2008 03:11:05 +1000 Owen Townen wrote: On 24/05/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png heh, I still like `apt-get moo` The inventor of 'aptitude moo' has sense of humour as well Yeah, he/they even went that extra step of `aptitude --help|grep Cow` to match apt-get. Tru dedication to the humour. cheers, Owen. I still believe that you need to find a Woman that matches you, so apt-get -b source wife seems more likely, and besides, the apt-get build-dep wife should prepare you for marraige ;) Ok, I've thought this through waaay too far. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIOQ3jLeTfO4yBSAcRAnazAJ9Yo4tigiHm1Cs5k0mSLDAqb9ApbgCfYsMg xfaYmT+xlXg0zT3jD2DzPhg= =rMIq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking Gmail ads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 15/05/2008, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/15/08 12:41, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 14/05/2008, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] OH, Airbus is using Linux too... So, do you want to have access to the sourcecode because you are traveling with an Airbus? In fact, I believe it is available. It has to be anyways, according to the GPL. There is no ASP loophole (I assume you are referring to the You need to study the GPL more closely. The source only needs to be available to parties that you distribute binaries to. In this case, presuming that Airbus subcontracted out the coding of the in-flight entertainment module, the distributees are Airbus and the companies that purchase the planes. How does this work with GPLv3? They changed it from distribute to convey. Is Airbus conveying the software to its customers or not? If there is a way to bring a USB dongle and get some of the software from the entertainment system in the Airbus passenger seats, has that I believe that's called Stealing and in a ruling totally non-GPL related, is illegal. software been distributed to me or not? How does the AGPL handle a situation like this, if the software were under the AGPL? - Jordi G. H. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFILPwyLeTfO4yBSAcRAr7bAKCYehgtuEg55zSaw9qouQ7jprh/1QCdGOD3 oXb9Q31YrWkGHEPLgKTakzM= =gUF8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt pinning suspect?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Samad wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 03:54:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: Jaime Tarrant wrote: Rich Healey wrote: Hi List, [snip] I'll give that a shot, although the problem is _NOT_ at the stage of installing, `apt-cache policy kfind` does not acknowledge the later version's existance in the repo (can someone on i386 verify that there are builds of the .72 version in the experimental repo?) have you tried apt-cache policy package name, that should give yo a look at what apt sees Err... did you read the original post, where i showed the apt-cache policy for the two suspect package? (short, not snide answer, yes) Cheers Cheers EDIT: I accidentally posted off list to jamie, and it's looking like there may only be builds of .72 for amd64 can anyone confirm? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKVBcLeTfO4yBSAcRAojBAJ42pcvRIyo+21nz1NdqdJ+n6L4ZUACfUOhH +S6auAkcZhn43+m7ezym/zA= =n8OQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apt pinning suspect?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi List, I've got a Lenny/Unstable/Experimental laptop that I use for work (yes, i realise that precariously mixing 3 releases is stupid.. but I'm committed now so oh well.) Anyway, the point is that my pure unstable/experimental box at home has pulled in all of kde 4 (version 4:4.0.72-1 0), but my laptop at work can find kdebase 4:4.0.72-1 0, but the rest of kde4 is still 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 as a result, it won't update, and is holding various bits of my system back. This is in apt-cache policy as well, so for example kfind (one of kdebases's dependencies): [xenia:/home/richo]# apt-cache policy kfind kfind: Installed: 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 Candidate: 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 Version table: *** 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 0 501 http://ftp.iinet.net.au experimental/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2+b1 0 500 http://ftp.iinet.net.au lenny/main Packages 499 http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main Packages 4:3.5.7-3lenny1 0 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages [xenia:/home/richo]# But [xenia:/home/richo]# apt-cache policy kdebase kdebase: Installed: 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 Candidate: 4:4.0.72-1 Version table: 4:4.0.72-1 0 501 http://ftp.iinet.net.au experimental/main Packages *** 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2 0 500 http://ftp.iinet.net.au lenny/main Packages 499 http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main Packages 4:3.5.7-3lenny1 0 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages [xenia:/home/richo]# [xenia:/home/richo]# cat /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=lenny Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 499 Package: * Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 501 [xenia:/home/richo]# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Install-Recommends false; APT::Install-Suggests false; [xenia:/home/richo]# Many thanks, and don't forget to snip all this ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKM8cLeTfO4yBSAcRAm5RAJ9ptMp8L+Je8PURnJffGbbNnRiTbwCeM2Ku xn5DQ1e8kE1OTpQuO8qOQfY= =orEn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Reducing wastage of screen real estate in gnome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/12/08 09:35, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: I have a 15 monitor at home running at 1024x768. I find that for most Maybe you're a Starving College Student, or maybe things cost more in India (tariffs on imported Chinese goods?), but 17 LCD monitors are pretty darned cheap. And you should be able to find used CRT monitors even cheaper. Just noting Ron's fondness for starving college students, that was his appraisal of me when I was too lazy (see! not poor!) to go get more.. Which I still haven't... apps, very little screen estate is left for the actual stuff and most of it is eaten up by the menubars, toolbars, and othe gui elements. I have my gnome preferences set to small icons for the toolbars without text. Are there any other configuration parameters that can be tweaked in my gtkrc (or elsewhere) to reduce/remove the extra space around the toolbar icons and make better use of screen space? I almost wish the gtk/gnome devs had smaller monitors :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKNb5LeTfO4yBSAcRAmfJAJ9n8bFjbG8SsfOrJxPq0nGAO9nR+ACffxiZ WSyXeiNEDZoMWHyrb5YaDTU= =W67i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Reducing wastage of screen real estate in gnome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/12/08 18:47, Rich Healey wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/12/08 09:35, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: I have a 15 monitor at home running at 1024x768. I find that for most Maybe you're a Starving College Student, or maybe things cost more in India (tariffs on imported Chinese goods?), but 17 LCD monitors are pretty darned cheap. And you should be able to find used CRT monitors even cheaper. Just noting Ron's fondness for starving college students, that was his appraisal of me when I was too lazy (see! not poor!) to go get more.. It's much more polite to think of someone as a poor student than a cheapskate SOB or a lazy bastard... True... Which I still haven't... Buying more RAM is nothing more than typing a few keys in at newegg.com. Wow, you *are* lazy! Well not newegg, since postage to Aus would be double the ram itself, plus despite making a decent wage for my age, I manage to never have any cash to spend on things that aren't strictly speaking broken. But yes, I'll admit I do tend towards the lazy end of the scale. Regards Rich Healey. BTW: Sorry Ron for sending to you personally, and CCing the list, Thunderbird seems to pick a random behaviour for the reply all button with each use... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKQBdLeTfO4yBSAcRAkc3AKCGH+P7kcKDidH62h8bVrWOYTmIBgCdEmhi xsogzMeAnx3OU5Y78BZrIkc= =mrPS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reducing wastage of screen real estate in gnome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/12/08 19:28, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Maybe you're a Starving College Student, or maybe things cost more in India (tariffs on imported Chinese goods?), but 17 LCD monitors are pretty darned cheap. And you should be able to find used CRT monitors even cheaper. More than the price, it is my unwillingness to dump my monitor that has served me well and continuing to do so. By going with a 17 LCD, you'll get more screen acreage and more physical desk space. 19 monitors -- in the US, at least -- can even be had for $180 (and that's not even the el cheapos). Besides, upgrading hardware to deal with software issues seems to be the Redmond way of doing things :-) I totally understand. But if that's your mentality, then GNOME (or even XFCE) isn't for you. fvwm is more your style. I use E17 because it's awesome with space, there are some really tiny themes. Also, in aus i got my 22 widescreen for work for just over $300 AUD. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKQH1LeTfO4yBSAcRAjdAAJ0aCnjjYdrg3Ki2AdmGPUzZhzCGnACfe6vp JM1sTRoXw93xx6A/5r/3O0g= =X31f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt pinning suspect?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Tarrant wrote: Rich Healey wrote: Hi List, I've got a Lenny/Unstable/Experimental laptop that I use for work (yes, i realise that precariously mixing 3 releases is stupid.. but I'm committed now so oh well.) Anyway, the point is that my pure unstable/experimental box at home has pulled in all of kde 4 (version 4:4.0.72-1 0), but my laptop at work can find kdebase 4:4.0.72-1 0, but the rest of kde4 is still 4:4.0.68+svn794641-1 as a result, it won't update, and is holding various bits of my system back. [snip] Many thanks, and don't forget to snip all this ;) I wonder whether having unstable pinned below 500, and stable having the default value of 500 results in apt not looking at unstable, even when installing packages from experimental? What happens if you remove the unstable entry from preferences, or if you change its preference to =500 and then try to install the experimental packages? Bearing in mind that the packages I'm referring to are only in experimental, and the unstable line means that experimental installs can pull in unstable dependencies, and I can intenionally install unstable packages, but my default is testing. I'll give that a shot, although the problem is _NOT_ at the stage of installing, `apt-cache policy kfind` does not acknowledge the later version's existance in the repo (can someone on i386 verify that there are builds of the .72 version in the experimental repo?) Cheers EDIT: I accidentally posted off list to jamie, and it's looking like there may only be builds of .72 for amd64 can anyone confirm? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKS0CLeTfO4yBSAcRAmKWAJ9I4v/pKbbz4cfQ5XB6GtByR6aKkwCdFwrC 2mmJjiI8B7V9bS7b+G6HQ38= =fn3H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gfortran Permission denied
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 michael wrote: Hello list, as you guess I am having serious boot problems, grub loading fails at stage 1.5 with Error 17. I did not install/re-install anything, resize partitions or anything else could do something wrong. I was trasferring data from my usb HD when the process stopped (input/output error) and the system went completely frozen. From that moment on I can not boot from HD. Using knoppix I can read all partitions... exept /home and / I tried to reinstall grub on MBR using the ubuntu studio rescue (apologize for that :-) ) and SGD (Super Grub Disk). The former stops during device mapping, showing partitions like /dev/sd1, /dev/sd2 and so on which is quite absurd, the latter is unable to install grub on the MBR (for the same problem I guess ...) and to boot any of the two OS (XP is there, but I do not boot it from ages ) I would prefer not to do a fresh install if not necessary even if my data are backed up on a safe partition. Any ideas? Can I resume my lenny? regards raffaele --=_Part_16140_9085696.1210238246187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello list,brbras you guess I am having serious boot problems, grub loading fails at stage 1.5 with quot;Error 17quot;. brbrI did not install/re-install anything, resize partitions or anything else could do something wrong. I was trasferring data from my usb HD when the process stopped (input/output error) and the system went completely frozen.br From that moment on I can not boot from HD.brbrUsing knoppix I can read all partitions... exept /home and /brbrI tried to reinstall grub on MBR using the ubuntu studio rescue (apologize for that :-) ) and SGD (Super Grub Disk). br The former stops during device mapping, showing partitions like /dev/sd1, /dev/sd2 and so on which is quite absurd, the latter is unable to install grubDelivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: by 10.115.73.12 with SMTP id a12cs179585wal; Wed, 7 May 2008 15:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr1099729fgb.53.1210200169718; Wed, 07 May 2008 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from liszt.debian.org (liszt.debian.org [82.195.75.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j10si4730178muh.2.2008.05.07.15.42.49; Wed, 07 May 2008 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 82.195.75.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=82.195.75.100; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 82.195.75.100 as permitted sender) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 7E55713A5379; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:42:43 + (UTC) Old-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on liszt.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,LDOSUBSCRIBER, LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Original-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-policyd-weight: DYN_NJABL=ERR NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 NOT_IN_BL_NJABL=-1.5 CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .networkingnewsletter. - helo: .tranquility.mcc. - helo-domain: .mcc.) FROM/MX_MATCHES_NOT_HELO(DOMAIN)=0 client=130.88.200.145 helo=tranquility.mcc.ac.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], rate: -5 Received: from tranquility.mcc.ac.uk (tranquility.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3186113A52EC for debian-user@lists.debian.org; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:42:16 + (UTC) Received: from rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk ([130.88.25.196]) by tranquility.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1JtsKz-0009hU-ER for debian-user@lists.debian.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 23:42:13 +0100 Received: from [93.96.3.203] (port=57094 helo=amd64.lan) by rankine.its.manchester.ac.uk with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1JtsKz-0004g4-6s for debian-user@lists.debian.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 23:42:13 +0100 Subject: gfortran Permission denied From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian user debian-user@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 23:42:13 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: Michael Bane from (amd64.lan) [93.96.3.203]:57094 X-Authenticated-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/
Re: ircii question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Håkon Alstadheim wrote: s. keeling wrote: Jude DaShiell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What package or packages need to be installed so when I connect to an irc server I don't get the message Ident is disabled? pidentd I would also think something like inetd or xinetd would be good. Identd should not need to run all the time, letting (x)inetd fire it up as needed would be better. Hot tip: consider carefully how much you reveal about your machine through the ident service. Security through obscurity is now offically dead. If someone wants access to your box, because of the absurd bandwidth available to a cracker (botnet, anyone?), they'll just try every xploit in their db, regardless of it's compatibility with your alleged system. You might as well just have ident running, I forward 113 onto my fBSD machine, so my whole network appears to be 6.2-current (yes i'm too lazy to upgrade) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIUhnLeTfO4yBSAcRAr7OAKChiweZOROjgttqCBxPgknofVLUnwCeNu0y mvn+hJTScF4jmG570RMpvqA= =uTPD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Kind of OT] Why's this look like gibberish to me?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 NN_il_Confusionario wrote: On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: The problem, if one exists, is what font the terminal is using sudo apt-get install xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib What about the linux console? I suspect that the answer will be that the linux console is right now not able to display at the same time eastern european, asiatic, arabic and hebrev characters (perhaps unless one uses someting experimental like uterm whose source seems to not be available at its homepage http://members.aceweb.com/hanpaul/ ). So the next question is: What is the combination of decent X-terminal and font (and screen resolution for X, and refresh rate) such that, when run in a window manager which is able to use full screen windoes (like ratpoison, icewm, evilwm and many others) looks the *same* as a linux (standard or framebuffer) console? I was never be able to find nor a decent terminal nor a decent (i.e. console like) font. (a terminal which uses gnome or kde libraries is not decent for my pourposes. gtk only or qt only might or might not be. xlib only surely is) Eterm sounds like what you're looking for... or xterm? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIACNLeTfO4yBSAcRAtPQAKCD/0oqESYqbRMOvaxWUCLQ5/PU3ACgmv7s d5ly+KApvTqmHm2NlSFJbvY= =H38h -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Kind of OT] Why's this look like gibberish
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 NN_il_Confusionario wrote: * From: Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eterm sounds like what you're looking for... or xterm? I have already tried all the debian x-terminal packages available since debian 1.1 (evenb the indecent ones). For my eyes the are all _MUCH_ worse than the linux console (and in any case their look is always very different from the console). But it might simply be that, despite my searches, I am not able to configure them. There's some insane key combination + right click for xterm that lets you configure it. I run X so that i can have 2 displays littered with xterms (most of them running screen), and honestly i prefer xterm to any other. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIApCLeTfO4yBSAcRArN2AKCu1eFBHKdQIF3XDNj77zXSeHsPvQCffBsS 0nIx1l1CrBDcX1dxFpnlUao= =PoR4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C++ programming: keeping count of data items read from file
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Mark Allums wrote:
H.S. wrote:
Hello,
In a C++ program I am reading a data file for later processing and
computations. While reading that data file, I want to keep track of
data items (doubles) read.
The data file is just a text file with N lines with C doubles in each
line (N and C are known a priori). For now, I just read from the file
stream in to a 2D array variable by reading each double at a time.
Now I am trying to introduce some sanity checking into this reading
block. Here is what I am trying to do:
1. Verify how many doubles I have read in each line. Must be C. If
they are not C, then the input file is corrupt.
2. Verify that the total number of data items are NxC. This is simple,
I just keep a track of how many numbers I have read.
So, how do I go about doing (1) above? I was thinking of somehow
checking if I have reached the end of line somehow (EOL?) but haven't
found a method to do so. All I have found is EOF.
thanks,
-HS
Not directly helpful, but some suggestions:
1. You might want to learn PERL or Python or Ruby, and do it there.
FWIW, this is very easy to do in Python.
PSFWIW: Satan uses Ruby.
2. If it has to be C++, learn enough PERL to write a filter for the data
file, and transform it so that it has one double per line.
3. Debug the data generator /in situ/ with a good debugger, and bypass
the need to do the sanity checking.
4. Find a good C++ reference, and use it. There are several.
Slightly more helpful:
1. Read one line at a time in as a string, then operate on the string.
2. C++ has the ability to do everything that C does in a low level way,
but why? Use the C++ way, or use the C way:
#include cstdio
#include iostream
. . .
using namespace std;
. . .
ios::sync_with stdio();
. . .
int blah = fscanf(somefile,%f %f %f %f\n, d1,d2,d3,d4);
if (blah != correctvalue)
{
dosomething();
closefiles();
cout error in data file\n;
exit(1);
}
. . .
// etc.
(The ios::sync_with_stdio(); line may differ slightly on different C++
implementations. I haven't used it in a while. May be spelled synch_.
Too lazy to look it up.
The fscanf line may just be wrong. I quit writing C programs years ago.
Too old, memory failing.)
Rich
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Re: Cannot remove Google maps sidebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cameron Hutchison wrote: When I visit Google maps (http://maps.google.com/) using either Epiphany or Iceweasel on my Debian sid system, I do not get the little triangle button in the map sidebar that collapses it. This only happens for me with Debian. On my systems with Ubuntu, google maps works as expected. Does anyone know why this may be happening? At a guess, one of the debian patches is breaking it. Try a binary release, or build you own and compare. Are you using FF2 or 3b? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIPT/LeTfO4yBSAcRAtVEAJ0e3rcyO9dGNAEPjVYBq3ploayvTQCgiKBY b8XpuJZfKURFMluxh2Th4kA= =zu6L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot remove Google maps sidebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cameron Hutchison wrote: Rich Healey wrote: Cameron Hutchison wrote: When I visit Google maps (http://maps.google.com/) using either Epiphany or Iceweasel on my Debian sid system, I do not get the little triangle button in the map sidebar that collapses it. This only happens for me with Debian. On my systems with Ubuntu, google maps works as expected. Does anyone know why this may be happening? At a guess, one of the debian patches is breaking it. Possibly. It is a little strange that the Ubuntu version works though, being based on the Debian version. Doesn't Ubuntu have FireFox with original branding? Try a binary release, or build you own and compare. I'd rather not do that. I prefer to keep to Debian packaged components. As a last ditch effort, I may try that to see if I can isolate the issue, but for now I'll see if anyone on the mailing list knows anything about this. I'm not suggesting you change over (although that might work), merely that you try a vanilla build from MSF to see if it's a debian patch that breaks it. Are you using FF2 or 3b? I am using Epiphany 2.22.1.1-1, and Iceweasel 2.0.0.14-2. These are the versions currently in Debian sid. I've had the problem since December last year (2007) when I re-installed Debian and dropped Ubuntu, so it is not something just introduced. Given that it's two browsers with only a distribution in common, I would say that there's a security patch that breaks it. Regards Rich Healey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIQB/LeTfO4yBSAcRAt9tAJ0TH8wtYLYcI6oyHOb1EfcIhR27DQCgt4+o sP9qyNN2xC0k/QYlR0XazIw= =C5AI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot remove Google maps sidebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: Cameron Hutchison wrote: When I visit Google maps (http://maps.google.com/) using either Epiphany or Iceweasel on my Debian sid system, I do not get the little triangle button in the map sidebar that collapses it. This only happens for me with Debian. On my systems with Ubuntu, google maps works as expected. Does anyone know why this may be happening? Is there any usage of Flash in Google Maps? If so, could be a Flash issue. Trying it in Lenny now...no Windows FF3b5 yes Windows IE7yes Lenny IceWeasel 2.0.0.14 no Lenny Epiphany 2.20.3 no kubuntu FF3b5 yes kubuntu Konquerer yes Interesting! Is it a mozilla/gecko-1.8 thing, a gnome thing, a javascript thing, or what? It's not just sid, lenny is not right either. I think you'll find that lenny and sid have the same iceweasel. And this still all points to the debian patches. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIQQJLeTfO4yBSAcRAp/bAJ0R7h7cA2RX5CqCQWas8ULVr+CygQCdH8qV Iiqbhd/xjOJ8Je7GCBJQbF0= =pyZ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issue with VMware (2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Doug Mitton wrote: (Sorry, repost due to error.) On Mon, 05 May 2008 20:10:14 +0200, you wrote: Hey all, So I installed VMware server, had to use the any-any update for I use the 2.6.24 kernel and when I try to run it, it says that same message as before running the vmware-conifig.pl tool. I also tried VMware Workstation trial, and that didn't work either. I tried running vmware-config.pl after running the any-any update several times, and I get the same message. Does anyone know what might be the problem? Thanks in advance []s Hi; For the 2.6.24 kernel you should use the a version of any-any from: http://rtr.ca/vmware-2.6.24/ Also, there was an exploit found in the 2.6.24 kernel, you should be using 2.6.24.2 as a minimum: http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=89616 http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093 Good luck! Wow, there are places you just don't expect milw0rm to pop up, and d-u is one of them! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIRTjLeTfO4yBSAcRAoa+AKC8/uB6QLoyU3NIHT51F/DMpknA/wCgz0OD s4ZlCS5FZN0oIlgK8qpVrjA= =xZRS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clearing SWAP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Cartwright wrote: On Fri May 2 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: If they float and are not ducks ... nor made of wood, then they must be ... ? Positively buoyant non-wooden non-ducks. Or witches. hey, wait, **I** can float! especially in salt water:) but not with my laptop on my lap! But you're a wooden duck, so you're safe. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIRtULeTfO4yBSAcRAjd2AJ99I9ACbEUjUOMKoxpzdX2xGY45VwCfQ+kK wAFjcu2Ffr/BxhVpZwR73YI= =6C2F -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Editing C with...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emilio Perea wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 10:46:33AM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: for the record, it's VERY broken in Vista. running edit in cmd or powershell, gives, |=== |16 bit MS-DS Subsytem |x| |=== | |Windows PowerShell |NTVDM has encountered a system Error |The Specified service does not exist |Choose Close to Terminate the application = |Close | Ignore | |== Although I've never had to deal with Vista, previous versions of Windows had a Resource Kit available which includes vi. With some Vista versions you can install SUA (Subsystem for UNIX Applications) which includes tcsh and ksh with vi (packages for vim, emacs and other editors are also available). Even with straight Windows it makes no sense to use Microsoft's shells when JPSoft's are available. i'm installed the subsystem for unix, always wondered what it actually does.. Anyway, i use gvim for editing on windows (i use vista in a vm for work). I'm going to have a look for this now (I saw that a package with unix in it's name ages ago that seemed to imply it'd run ELF binaries, but it didn't so i gave up). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIISpmLeTfO4yBSAcRAng1AKDfJf8R7B6NmEj0+HQDM+5/2995DACgxbls nRBPu3w5VFYhdpR9OEbIapU= =PpdJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JFS / Unsupported file systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Samad wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:15AM -0500, Hose wrote: On Apr 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:16:12PM -0500, Hose wrote: [snip] some reason that xfs is not being talked about? You know I'm not sure. I vaguely recall xfs being really bad with unclean unmounts (moreso than most other filesystems) and it's performance has not kept up with the newer stuff, but I probably should look into again (unless someone says NO IS HORRIBLE!). I actually use it personally on a few external drives, but nothing extensive. I have started to use it for holding large files avi etc, it seems to be a lot faster when manipulating these files, deletes etc. But i do have a ups attached to the machine hose perhaps i should switch my downloads partition over. Rich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIFsAHLeTfO4yBSAcRAqHaAJ94yeKRfqRW6Lg0LvBlm2I+HaCPHACgiufs 0gc/LrsSJmjvhXZbcAl3E2U= =sZkv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Notebook Latitude D630 don't shutdown properly after update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 07:02:35PM +, Marcelo wrote: Kevin Mark kevin.mark at verizon.net writes: Have you tried booting with the last kernel version and checking if this fixes the issue? Yes! I had been installed the kernel 2.6.22 and the problem persist! Marcelo Just to be clear: a) booting with the old kernel fixes the problem b) both the old and new kernel do not work -K He has said twice that the .22 kernel does not solve the problem. On the offchance you could build a .18 from etch's sources to see what happens, but it's unlikely. More likely, check your /etc/fstab to make sure it's not thinking that there is something to umount there. If a system doesn't halt (x) seconds after shutdown begins, eventually init cracks it and kills everything vuilently. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF/73LeTfO4yBSAcRAr/iAJ0VKG08nnf3KW0omByzs2qFPfGXRwCcDUtk 0Yzj0+NVPvdwH8/Edyk5+yY= =ffXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian crash randomly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must enjoy debugging a lot, then. Sid really *is* unstable, like its name sounds, and like we can witness with Mond and with me. Newer software is hardly ever necessary. For the fabled desktop use, stable is pretty good (websurfing, MSFT office documents, chatting, multimedia), and there is no way I'm installing anything but stable on grandma's machine. Stable doesn't crash, it does what it's supposed to do, and it gives free software a good name. Backports are rarely necessary, and if there is a user savvy enough to know that they want something newer than what's in stable, I recommend them to try a backport, and if that doesn't work, then to compile from source. Otherwise, I really question why do they need newer software. Hardware compatibility is a different issue. If they have hardware that's too new for the etch kernels, then I will recommend testing, with many reservations. But I don't recommend unstable to anyone unless they're willing to tolerate the occasional crash and possible data loss. This is Debian's official position too regarding the three distributions. The unstable distribution is where active development of Debian occurs. Generally, this distribution is run by developers and those who like to live on the edge. Debian newbies presumably don't want to live on the edge. Debian also recommends that you run stable, and they don't make a distinction between running stable on servers or on desktops. I run testing most of the time, with the occasional non-critical unstable package, but that's because I like bugs. :-) When I can, I will poke around the source code to see if I can find why a particular piece of software is segfaulting. - Jordi G. H. But how does the distribution advance if *NOONE* runs testing/unstable? I run 4 Debian boxes at the moment, 2 sid, 1 testing, 1 stable. The stable box is with my mother, I really doubt the lack of features bothers her, and is handy for when i want to see what's in etch. The testing machine is my laptop for work, which I need more features for, but don't need the regular breakages of sid (and yes, when things do hit the fan, i just install the working update with dpkg from the sid repos, and then let that advance sink into the background). Then i have 2 desktops which run sid, on different archtypes, and give me basis for comparison, and a chance to play with the latest and greatest, although i still wind up building a lot of svn and cvs code. Regards Rich Healey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIFnYILeTfO4yBSAcRAjPbAKDMjh4Jb2JBMZcPeu9Yfkn0ORN8ygCbB19I 8VqlEeA/jiTEtaA7pDn8+6E= =ExVu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian crash randomly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 28/04/2008, Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how does the distribution advance if *NOONE* runs testing/unstable? Oh, it's great that people are running both of those, and I run them too, but we're essentially beta testers. I do my best to send timely bug reports when I can, or be as generally helpful as possible, with occasional ideas on what to do to the source when I know what to do. It's just not something that non-experts should o. The stable box is with my mother, [snip] The testing machine is my laptop for work, [snip] Then i have 2 desktops which run sid, on different archtypes, and give me basis for comparison, This sounds like a completely reasonable setup to me, and is very close to what I do too. My mom is also getting stable because she still has a hard time using a mouse or figuring out the window and desktop metaphor. Yesterday I taught her how to drag and drop files. :-) - Jordi G. H. Jordi, I'm glad someone out there agrees with me. While i'd never run anything except stable on a production server, I can't get my head around zealots with a testing and sid are evilbadscary attitude. Hell, if i'm really in the mood for it i do a dist-upgrade to experimental just to see what breaks. Actually, there's a lot of cool stuff in there come to think of it. All of my machines except the stable one have some (many have lots) of stuff from experimental installed, mainly because where i can i prefer to have -dev packages than libraries that i've built manually, while i keep an eye on the projects that I build from code repos, i tend to forget to update my libraries. Regards Rich Healey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIFnuGLeTfO4yBSAcRAs2tAKCBnd33ZxNxQcBL20s8cy3Cb/hSzQCfXgxi 0hXPbi/VzCh18GVUHBXvRpU= =JZth -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Force process to swap?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there a way to tell kswapd that i wan't a particular process to get shoved into swap? I run a torrent client 24/7 (in many ways it would just be easier to mirror a whole bunch of distro iso's, but oh well).. Anyway, it tends to consume between 30 and 50% of my system's physical memory, which wouldn't matter, except that it tends to push firefoxen into swap, while nearly always staying in memory itself. I can probably alter the torrent clients settings a bit to reign it in, but honestly, the disk with my swap partition is pretty quick, and i would think totally adequate to let it download/upload files from. Is there some way of forcing this? Cheers Rich Healey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIECoPLeTfO4yBSAcRAnCAAJ93DOUzLQioT73I2bEqsU61iOxVSgCfaxrq 8qRdJlSygMZXjOAvD9b7t5g= =YoVE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] openWRT (was: 2 ISPs ( 2 gateways) and a Debian Box)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 biaAlex Samad wrote: [snip] I would also suggest make the adsl modem (routers?) in bridged mode and firewall up the debian box and do it all there. Similiar to what I have done. The only difference right now is i use openwrt (linux distro for linksys wrt54gs routers) Will openWRT (or anything else for that matter!) run on a wrt54G (not S)? that you know of? google has turned up naut so far. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIEByxLeTfO4yBSAcRAgJMAJ9TXetbSH3Kdv6fi4QcPH/x6xHUQQCeKoUV tt3ugkbW9w1mBunsl3+xA4o= =HXI7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: External IP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lee Glidewell wrote: On Tuesday 22 April 2008 10:12:41 pm Rafael Fontenelle wrote: I can see that you're running behind a router or something similar. If you want to use a shell script to return the IP to the stdout, you could probably use 'curl'. I have this feeling that my last response to this thread never made it through or something. ;) curl *definitely* works with shell scripts, and like I pointed out, www.whatismyip.org (not .com) is specifically designed for tools such as curl. Running that URL as the argument for curl will return only the current machine's public IP address, with no extra formatting or HTML messiness. Thus, it is the ideal way of getting this output cleanly. It can even be used as input, e.g.: nmap $(curl www.whatismyip.org) Lee My site is now back up. http://www.psychotik.info/ip.php Was lazy, did it in php. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIDsiILeTfO4yBSAcRAvxxAJ0cg2SS04kUqPeSNOYHk92AnV4cIQCfejOm luz4swnsiXfwQFPeYp6a2BY= =ohCX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: External IP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rafael asked for source.. So my stroke of genius follows... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/public_html]$ cat ip.php ?PHP print ($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']) ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/public_html]$ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIDsvaLeTfO4yBSAcRAo9CAJ0bmXoFJGTByCHjSypWPL+qdS1YlQCeJBwX XfxyhFjEYMaLhxtx3C+Bc2s= =L1LC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrating to 64 bit...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:32:26PM -0500, Sam Leon wrote: Could one easily upgrade to an amd64 system just by formating /, reinstalling with the proper arch, and then reinstalling all the apps that were installed and hopefully all the conf files in /home/user will be compatible with the arch change of kde and other apps? (of course I am only talking about if you have /home and a separate partition) Only formatting / will only work if you don't have a separte /usr or /var... I run amd64 Etch and have an i386 chroot for iceweasel with flash. Prior to that I had i386 Sarge on a different box. The configs in /home worked just fine. I always migrate /etc by hand when I do a new install. Doug. I have iceweasel + flash running native on amd64. it's not adobe's flash, but it works. In fact, i really like the fact that i have to click play to actually download and run the .swf .. saves noise and bandwidth :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBrzuLeTfO4yBSAcRAhOMAJ0dgBKcEEw0ifkI2rVJCpdvikUQ2gCfTgf/ YbsduOkvaiZ8BOPCFxiY0EA= =O4VB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking life of battery?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: 1) Is there any way to check the life of a battery on a Dell Inspiron 6400 E1505? I am using Debian Etch. 2) How to find out the number of cells in the battery? The manual says it can be 6-cell smart lithium ion or 9-cell lithium ion. But I am not sure which one I have. $pwd /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 $cat alarm alarm: 480 mAh $cat info present: yes design capacity: 4800 mAh last full capacity: 64548 mAh battery technology: rechargeable design voltage: 11100 mV design capacity warning: 480 mAh design capacity low: 145 mAh capacity granularity 1: 48 mAh capacity granularity 2: 48 mAh model number: DELLRD8576 serial number: 688 battery type:LION OEM info:Sony $cat state present: yes capacity state: ok charging state: charged present rate:1 mA remaining capacity: 64548 mAh present voltage: 11947 mV thanks raju I'll find my screen backtick for just this if you want. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBr1ZLeTfO4yBSAcRApvAAJ4wngzUEEZvWXKXyPRtrTHvLPyewgCeJWVT PE+E3eHnkVS3t+KPTR17d4k= =Mez6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: what scripting language to learn?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 03:23:57AM +0200, s. keeling wrote: I strongly agree, and this knowledge is portable. All of the *nix tools, including shell, perl, and python, rely on regex understanding. One can get along just fine in python without using regex. I'm living proof. Sure, the regex module lets you do neat one-liners, but I hate one-liners especially when I'm tired. Doug. I use python all day every day, and rarely if ever use the re module. Most of the same stuff can be done with python's (awesome) string libs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBsuPLeTfO4yBSAcRAqTlAJ4t6tCEK30ES3NYVlq26BK3LCEh+QCfb10H E48+Z8RggulyR627FCA67xE= =1YK4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Read-only root (/) except /et
nochg. Regards Rich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIArpzLeTfO4yBSAcRAnUFAJ9f48h4ovhOBAyne2cIYZYp2aRFmgCfTk8V 2+Y7mA7toL9fP6kfBxDIi3k= =2LZE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I bet ALL of the concerned parents will be sending BOTH the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. US$4/gal Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more than $3/gal even during a shortage... It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH/63uLeTfO4yBSAcRAswxAJ9ZNOaDJYS41MLFEGpzTvfS1OlUkQCgjT0G cfdFmkzHxU+zTZvwKjkumQk= =5nPb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TR: How to verify package integrity after they have been downloaded?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [Redirecting to debian-user, because this has nothing to do with debian-security] Julien Stuby wrote on 2008-04-07 22:15: Please try not to break threads. Julien Stuby wrote on 2008-04-7 at 21:54 UTC+1 : No problems, I will try. Thanks, it worked already. How to make this right with the world time zone? We will use the UTC format ? As a user I never had to worry about the time format of my mails. Threads are preserved by 'replying' to a message instead of composing a new one. Advanced mail readers have a 'reply to list' function in order not to send private duplicates. The mail I am now replying to has the following lines within the header: ... and yet it's in a new thread... - - - - - - - - - From: Julien Stuby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - The References and In-Reply-To part track the ID of the message, so that the software knows about the thread. -- Julien Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH+xYMLeTfO4yBSAcRAvv2AJ437ZKZHiDkhHJtcCyr/fF/IZS2TgCfY8RH /giOtD+H20vC0LOLSFLxhwc= =jWrV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remove package from apt's db
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 NN_il_Confusionario wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:47:44AM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: I've installed skype, had to force it to ignore dependencies (long story.. anyway, i do have qt4's libs, and skype does work) I would NOT remove skype from the dpkg database /var/lib/dpkg/status I would use equivs (or manual editing of /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/info/$PAKAGENAME.list , but you must _exactly_ know what you are doing) to say that dependencies are installed. In desperate case where dependencies are wrongly declared (like installing opera on sarge) a manual editing of /var/lib/dpkg/status to correctly declare the dependencies makes sense. I _DO_ know what i'm doing (not arrogance or anger). I'm used to building systems from scratch, I have _A_ set of qt libs, and skype works fine, it's just not the set that apt feels i should have. Kind Regards Rich Healey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH+cNVLeTfO4yBSAcRAi9zAJ9193mQ59DKgepcG5gZz6/1/TwvEwCghR+F vmd6s1iBOdwIlbV2C0Uwmwc= =Q611 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grep trick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Bird wrote: On Mon April 7 2008 16:03:28 Chris Bannister wrote: export GREP_COLOR=33 alias grep='grep --colour=always' This will break any scripts which assume that the output of grep has not been annotated with color escape sequences. --Mike Bird Those scripts will not load his .bashrc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH+rqwLeTfO4yBSAcRAhUUAJ4w8quP1kk2SS1vdD//MzrEe1DSkACaA5CO tQzvjONgi0Pb2HsBgFc9034= =62Bo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
