Re: Synaptic on Debian 11.3 fails to install "kate"
Bret Busby wrote: On 07/12/2022 22:07, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm running Debian 11.3 with MATE desktop. When I attempt to use Synaptic to install "kate" it responds: W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pcre2/libpcre2-16-0_10.36-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-data_3.0.16-1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlccore9_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-plugin-base_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-plugin-video-output_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlc5_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/http-parser/libhttp-parser2.9_2.9.4-4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlc-bin_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] Is this bug or operator error? TIA Have you tried apt install ? I recently installed a package using apt install,m that synaptic did not find by searching. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Markus' suggestion of "apt update" got here first. It worked. Thanks
Re: Synaptic on Debian 11.3 fails to install "kate"
Markus Schönhaber wrote: Am 07.12.22 um 15:07 schrieb Richard Owlett: I'm running Debian 11.3 with MATE desktop. When I attempt to use Synaptic to install "kate" it responds: W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pcre2/libpcre2-16-0_10.36-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] [...] Is this bug or operator error? If apt update helps, then it's the latter. Been using Debian since days of Squeeze and never had the problem ;/ Your suggestion worked.
Synaptic on Debian 11.3 fails to install "kate"
I'm running Debian 11.3 with MATE desktop. When I attempt to use Synaptic to install "kate" it responds: W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pcre2/libpcre2-16-0_10.36-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-data_3.0.16-1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlccore9_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-plugin-base_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc-plugin-video-output_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlc5_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/http-parser/libhttp-parser2.9_2.9.4-4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlc-bin_3.0.16-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.98.132 80] Is this bug or operator error? TIA
Re: Kate and auto-indent
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 06, 2022 09:53:11 AM Richard Owlett wrote: It worked acceptably on Debian 9.13 . I have to read manual to see if I can make a cosmetic tweak. If you describe the cosmetic tweak you need, I (or someone else) *might* be able to help. Perhaps "cosmetic" was a poor word choice. The programmers may have produced something better than what I was thinking of. I want to read the Kate documentation first.
Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
Richard Owlett wrote: rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 06, 2022 07:01:07 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I just tried it on both of my machines. It lacks ability to set the right margin. I want to insert a paragraph such that the effective LEFT margin [when line wraps at RIGHT margin] is the indent level. Just as a followup to my earlier reply, in kate (and I believe in kwrite), when you indent the first line of a (soft wrapped) paragraph, the remaining lines in that paragraph are (left) indented to the same place as that first line. (If you want subsequent paragraphs indented to the same place, indent the first line of those subsequent paragraphs.) Those two paragraphs describe my needs. I explicitly wish to avoid hard wrapping. I'll install kate and see what happens. Thanks It worked acceptabily on Debian 9.13 . I have to read manual to see if I can make a cosmetic tweak. There were missing files in repository when I tried to install on my Debian 11.3 machine. Will try again later. There are auto-indent features.
Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 06, 2022 07:01:07 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I just tried it on both of my machines. It lacks ability to set the right margin. I want to insert a paragraph such that the effective LEFT margin [when line wraps at RIGHT margin] is the indent level. Just as a followup to my earlier reply, in kate (and I believe in kwrite), when you indent the first line of a (soft wrapped) paragraph, the remaining lines in that paragraph are (left) indented to the same place as that first line. (If you want subsequent paragraphs indented to the same place, indent the first line of those subsequent paragraphs.) Those two paragraphs describe my needs. I explicitly wish to avoid hard wrapping. I'll install kate and see what happens. Thanks There are auto-indent features.
Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
Richard Owlett wrote: Andreas Rönnquist wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 05:29:58 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to document a personal project.The desired format will resemble the outline for term papers we wrote in school in the 50's. Except some items may be a short paragraph or two long. I did a web search for text editors with an auto-indent feature. The only one I recognized was Leafpad. But I couldn't find appropriate documentation or "howto". Where would I find it? Any other suggestions for a basic text editor in the Debian repository with an auto-indent feature. I'm not interested in a full blown word processor. TIA It seems leafpad is obsolete and not maintained any longer (It is only available in Debian Stretch). If you could try something else, I would try mousepad (which actually is a fork of leafpad). https://packages.debian.org/mousepad https://docs.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/start That page suggests it's what I'm looking for. I attempted to install it on my old machine [has a large external monitor] but got a "temporary connection failure" message. Will try it again this afternoon. Thanks As I posted earlir today, mousepad lacks ability to set a righthand margin for a line to fold at. If you would be ready to try something new and are not afraid of massive amount of settings (and thereby possibilities) but still GTK-based, I would try SciTE. https://packages.debian.org/scite (Yes, I am biased regarding SciTE, since I'm one of the Debian package maintainers). I looked at that page. I'm not trying to edit a program. I'm editing straight text and want lines that wrap at right margin to start a fresh line at current indent level. I didn't spot that capability. Thanks. -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se andr...@ronnquist.net
Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
Richard Owlett wrote: Andreas Rönnquist wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 05:29:58 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to document a personal project.The desired format will resemble the outline for term papers we wrote in school in the 50's. Except some items may be a short paragraph or two long. I did a web search for text editors with an auto-indent feature. The only one I recognized was Leafpad. But I couldn't find appropriate documentation or "howto". Where would I find it? Any other suggestions for a basic text editor in the Debian repository with an auto-indent feature. I'm not interested in a full blown word processor. TIA It seems leafpad is obsolete and not maintained any longer (It is only available in Debian Stretch). If you could try something else, I would try mousepad (which actually is a fork of leafpad). https://packages.debian.org/mousepad https://docs.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/start That page suggests it's what I'm looking for. I attempted to install it on my old machine [has a large external monitor] but got a "temporary connection failure" message. Will try it again this afternoon. Thanks I just tried it on both of my machines. It lacks ability to set the right margin. I want to insert a paragraph such that the effective LEFT margin [when line wraps at RIGHT margin] is the indent level. If you would be ready to try something new and are not afraid of massive amount of settings (and thereby possibilities) but still GTK-based, I would try SciTE. https://packages.debian.org/scite (Yes, I am biased regarding SciTE, since I'm one of the Debian package maintainers). -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se andr...@ronnquist.net
Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
Andreas Rönnquist wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 05:29:58 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to document a personal project.The desired format will resemble the outline for term papers we wrote in school in the 50's. Except some items may be a short paragraph or two long. I did a web search for text editors with an auto-indent feature. The only one I recognized was Leafpad. But I couldn't find appropriate documentation or "howto". Where would I find it? Any other suggestions for a basic text editor in the Debian repository with an auto-indent feature. I'm not interested in a full blown word processor. TIA It seems leafpad is obsolete and not maintained any longer (It is only available in Debian Stretch). If you could try something else, I would try mousepad (which actually is a fork of leafpad). https://packages.debian.org/mousepad https://docs.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/start That page suggests it's what I'm looking for. I attempted to install it on my old machine [has a large external monitor] but got a "temporary connection failure" message. Will try it again this afternoon. Thanks If you would be ready to try something new and are not afraid of massive amount of settings (and thereby possibilities) but still GTK-based, I would try SciTE. https://packages.debian.org/scite (Yes, I am biased regarding SciTE, since I'm one of the Debian package maintainers). -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se andr...@ronnquist.net
Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?
I wish to document a personal project.The desired format will resemble the outline for term papers we wrote in school in the 50's. Except some items may be a short paragraph or two long. I did a web search for text editors with an auto-indent feature. The only one I recognized was Leafpad. But I couldn't find appropriate documentation or "howto". Where would I find it? Any other suggestions for a basic text editor in the Debian repository with an auto-indent feature. I'm not interested in a full blown word processor. TIA
Re: Set timing to go into hibernation {Debian Stretch}
On 09/13/2022 08:28 AM, Roger Price wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Richard Owlett wrote: It's been so long since I set up Debian I've forgotten how to set timing for going into hibernation. It's currently set for a much to primare panel has large a delay. Where do I look for instructions and descriptions? I use Right Click on screen, and then Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver I tried that but did not see what you described. But it jogged my memory. My D.E. is MATE and the primary panel has a menu titled "System" System -> Preferences -> Look and Feel -> Screensaver gets me where I need to go ;} Thank you.
Set timing to go into hibernation {Debian Stretch}
It's been so long since I set up Debian I've forgotten how to set timing for going into hibernation. It's currently set for a much to large a delay. Where do I look for instructions and descriptions? TIA
Re: Linux cannot find CD Rom
On 07/29/2022 01:46 AM, Schwibinger Michael wrote: Hello I try to open a CD. But Linux cannot find it. How can I repair it. No light no reaction during putting CD in. Thank You Regards Sophie What hardware are you using? Is the CD drive internal or external? What "Linux" are you using? This list is for Debian Linux. If you have Debian Linux: a. what version do you have? b. where did you obtain it? c. have you had other problems?
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email
On 06/04/2022 01:50 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote: *SNIP* So I am also in the search for a good free provider. FREE COSTS *TOO MUCH* If you think Google et al are charities I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Re: Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot
On 06/04/2022 01:03 PM, mick crane wrote: On 2022-06-04 18:11, Richard Owlett wrote: I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile. Presume T-mobile is your carrier ? Yepp *ROFL* But I'm trying to investigate a hardware (e.g. Alcatel) vs. software (e.g.Debian) problem. *NOT* a carrier problem. I'm way past "three score and ten". Spent ~3 decades in engineering/engineering support/cust service I recognize hardware vs software even if I'm mostly analog *grin*
Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot
I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile. It is labeled "4G LTE HotSpot. The WiFi has been turned off via the device's setup menu. Is anyone on this list using that device? ?? ;} I am trying to install Debian 11.3 [requires non-free firmware] I have succeeded. *ROFL* ;/ *BUT* I'm trying to document encountered problems. I'm developing a test procedure to be the basis of a "bug report". I am looking for a fellow Linkzone user to be a QC checkpoint. Takers &/or comments. TIA
SUCESSFUL INSTALL - was [Discovering DHCP hostname during original system installation]
On 05/31/2022 08:13 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm using firmware-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install Debian onto a Lenovo T510 [Thinkpad]. I know the netinstaller works on this laptop as I have done a successful install when within range of of local library's wifi and the installer is successfully detecting multiple local wifi sources. I am doing a fresh install from home using an Alcatel Linkzone to connect to my T-mobile account. I have had no problems doing this with standard netinstallers. After an install over library wifi the system had no problem connecting to the internet via the Linkzone. Help please. TIA This is just a status report. The above referenced installer *WILL* work when the target machine is connected to the internet via an Alcatel Linkzone. The failed installs were evidently triggered by the immediately previous Linkzone usage history. I should be able to write a test procedure to prove/disprove my theory. The decades spent in hardware testing gave me practice in procedure writing. [I just don't have much software background.] I hope to have the procedure written and proven by early next week. I still owe David a response to his last post.
Re: Discovering DHCP hostname during original system installation
On 05/31/2022 02:00 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: *SNIP* I am doing a fresh install from home using an Alcatel Linkzone to connect to my T-mobile account. I have had no problems doing this with standard netinstallers. ? That seems to be a new interpretation of the thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00571.html From reading https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00603.html in that thread, I don't think so. That thread referred ti a standard [i.e. free] netinst iso. This case is using the non-free firmware. I will have to carefully read the entire thread to see if it has point(s) in common. I've a dozen more posts to (re)read in the thread. I'm beginning to suspect appreciation of comments about "CDC Ethernet" will be key. [Especially posts by Tixy] I've at least a dozen web references marked for "CDC Ethernet". I have information overload. Suspect meaningful comprehension will take a couple of days ;/ More later.
Re: Discovering DHCP hostname during original system installation
On 05/31/2022 11:20 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Tue 31 May 2022 at 14:00:51 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
On 05/31/2022 11:13 AM, David Wright wrote:
On Tue 31 May 2022 at 08:13:57 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
I'm using firmware-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install Debian onto a
Lenovo T510 [Thinkpad].
✓
I know the netinstaller works on this laptop as I have done a
successful install when within range of of local library's wifi and
the installer is successfully detecting multiple local wifi sources.
Which netinstaller?
The one *STATED* in the first sentence!
Demonstrative pronouns help.
Yep. I realized that as soon as I read your reply ;{
My writing skills have been a problem since school days back in 50's.
In the next paragraph, you use the term "standard
netinstaller". Does this mean one without firmware?
Of course!
Ok, usually called official here. /My/ standard installer is a firmware
one, as the official ones are a waste of download bandwidth for me.
They only work for a couple of my machines.
I am doing a fresh install from home using an Alcatel Linkzone to
connect to my T-mobile account. I have had no problems doing this with
standard netinstallers.
? That seems to be a new interpretation of the thread:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00571.html
From reading
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00603.html in that
thread, I don't think so.
The key sentence in that post is:
"I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu
entry resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged]
had been solved at Debian 10.7 or earlier."
That thread referred to a standard [i.e.
free] netinst iso. This case is using the non-free firmware. I will
have to carefully read the entire thread to see if it has point(s) in
common.
Well, if you have successfully installed at /home/ using the /Alcatel/
and with an /official installer/, then the same success is expected
with the firmware installer, whose difference is just extra packages
in the pool.
I had assumed so [but *not* known]. That's why I quoted the significant
sentence from the sub-thread above. Sometime circa Squeeze or later
there appears to have been a subtle change in how/when[?] a fully
installed Debian initializes a connected intelligent USB device [i.e.
the Alcatel]. I don't have enough background to say more.
What's unsaid here is /how/ you use your Alcatel Linkzone to connect.
As I use it daily - it effectively reacts as a traditional modem [the
wifi aspect disabled].
Well, disabling wifi (not revealed in your OP) was what gave problems
that caused you to post here in the past.
*NO*!
You are assuming commonality of hardware/software/goals/other over the
last decade that simply does not exist. There is also an unwarranted
assumption that I resemble a "normal" Debian user. Though of late I've
tended to use a particular machine - I have a half dozen available.
The the _current_ install process is on a machine explicitly dedicated
to learning by experimentation. It has had at least a dozen full
installs from scratch - no more than 3 coexisting at a time.
I religiously avoid any networking of my personal machines.
Up to this current experiment I have avoided any intentional use of
WiFi. This has been made easier by the majority of my machines requiring
non-free drivers.
The third paragraph in this
thread's OP implies that these problems have been overcome, and that
the current thread might be something about official vs firmware
rather than, say wifi vs ethernet in the normal scenario, or wifi vs
some sort of ?USB link in your case.
No ;/
I tried to succinctly state MY topic in the Subject line.
When The DHCP auto-detection during install fails,
"How do I manually discover DHCP hostname(s)?"
Is that fair, and am I correct in pointing out that you still haven't
stated how the laptop is connected to the internet,
The Alcatel [with WiFi disabled] is physically plugged into a USB port.
To the unsophisticated user there is no way to distinguish it from a
modem which has auto-dialed a specific server.
but that it's not
with a cat5 cable.
After an install over library wifi the system had no problem
connecting to the internet via the Linkzone.
/
So what's your question? And if it's meant to be the Subject line,
I don't see any relationship with the rest of the post.
My entire problem is in the context of running the installer.
Yes, I know you have a problem. And "install" is in the Subject line,
and peppered throughout the OP. Saying you have an installation
problem is not a question. It's the old "What did you expect/observe"
and "Why did they differ".
My question is why are you trying to install it again?
As stated in this post the particular machine is dedicated to
EXPERIMENTATION. The goal of the experimentation is to be able to
describ
Re: Discovering DHCP hostname during original system installation
On 05/31/2022 11:13 AM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 31 May 2022 at 08:13:57 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: I'm using firmware-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install Debian onto a Lenovo T510 [Thinkpad]. ✓ I know the netinstaller works on this laptop as I have done a successful install when within range of of local library's wifi and the installer is successfully detecting multiple local wifi sources. Which netinstaller? The one *STATED* in the first sentence! In the next paragraph, you use the term "standard netinstaller". Does this mean one without firmware? Of course! I am doing a fresh install from home using an Alcatel Linkzone to connect to my T-mobile account. I have had no problems doing this with standard netinstallers. ? That seems to be a new interpretation of the thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00571.html From reading https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00603.html in that thread, I don't think so. That thread referred ti a standard [i.e. free] netinst iso. This case is using the non-free firmware. I will have to carefully read the entire thread to see if it has point(s) in common. What's unsaid here is /how/ you use your Alcatel Linkzone to connect. As I use it daily - it effectively reacts as a traditional modem [the wifi aspect disabled]. After an install over library wifi the system had no problem connecting to the internet via the Linkzone. / So what's your question? And if it's meant to be the Subject line, I don't see any relationship with the rest of the post. My entire problem is in the context of running the installer. My question is why are you trying to install it again? 'Cause I want a very different OS configuration. This Thinkpad is a test-bed machine. And if your problem, whatever it is, is to do with the firmware version (I can't see why extra packages would trip anything up), why do you need it: you've already got all those packages at home anyway. HUH? ?? ??? Cheers, David.
Discovering DHCP hostname during original system installation
I'm using firmware-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install Debian onto a Lenovo T510 [Thinkpad]. I know the netinstaller works on this laptop as I have done a successful install when within range of of local library's wifi and the installer is successfully detecting multiple local wifi sources. I am doing a fresh install from home using an Alcatel Linkzone to connect to my T-mobile account. I have had no problems doing this with standard netinstallers. After an install over library wifi the system had no problem connecting to the internet via the Linkzone. Help please. TIA
Re: REvisiting "Tool for investigating dependency chains?"
On 05/29/2022 09:31 PM, David wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 01:28, Richard Owlett wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org responded with a discussion about using aptitude's visual mode. That has multiple problems: 1. My original goal description was inadequate. 2. My target environment has changed. 3. From his description I don't completely grok how to use aptitude's visual mode. The man page is not helpful as it is not intended to be a tutorial but more a reference work to refresh the memory of one already familiar with a specific tool. I searched for a tutorial covering the visual mode. *BUT* the ones I found only mentioned it in passing and all examples were pure command line. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00296.html I had forgotten that thread. Reading the complete thread will prevent me from duplicating work I've already done. Thank you. It pointed to [https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch01s01s01.en.html] which demonstrated that yesterday I had correctly invoked aptitude's visual mode. That I received a "black screen" in response suggests I have system problems - which I suspected. I had already planned on installing current Debian on another machine.
REvisiting "Tool for investigating dependency chains?"
In my original post [1] I said: I'm in the process of doing some idiosyncratic minimalistic installs using the "--no-install-recommends" option of apt-get. What I would like to do is enter the package name. The tool's response would be a list of the recommended packages and their associated description from packages.gz. At the moment the referenced repository would be a distribution DVD. berenger.mo...@neutralite.org responded with a discussion about using aptitude's visual mode. That has multiple problems: 1. My original goal description was inadequate. 2. My target environment has changed. 3. From his description I don't completely grok how to use aptitude's visual mode. The man page is not helpful as it is not intended to be a tutorial but more a reference work to refresh the memory of one already familiar with a specific tool. I searched for a tutorial covering the visual mode. *BUT* the ones I found only mentioned it in passing and all examples were pure command line. Clarifications: 1. What I'm looking for would essentially depict the gemological relations resulting from apt-get install --no-install-recommends mate-desktop-environment [Something resembling a hierarchical directory tree desired.] 2. The tool would be run under Debian 9.13 with MATE DE. The data would be from the then current repository of Debian stable. 3. I'd like a pointer to a tutorial showing the actual usage of aptitude's visual mode. Entering just "aptitude" in MATES terminal gives a BLACK screen. Entering "aptitude /" in MATES terminal gives an error scree ending "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." TIA [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00365.html
Odd reproducible problem - but is it a bug?
I'm using Debian 10.7 with MATE DE [will be updated later this week]
The machine is a Lenovo T510 and is setup to login as either "richard"
or "root".
If logged in as "richard" I can execute su {+ password} and receive a
prompt indicating I'm "root".
However if I then enter "update-grub", the response is
"bash: update-grub: command not found"
as if I were the unprivileged user "richard".
All is normal if I had initially been "root" or had become "root" via
System -> Log Out richard .
Bug?
Re: Dual booting Debian on an Windows machine.
On 04/30/2022 09:01 AM, IL Ka wrote: this is possible: you just need to have two .efi files for your OSes: one for Windows and one for Linux. Use ``efibootmgr`` to manage it. If you have secure boot enabled, you need shim: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot Following links from there suggests I know even less than I thought I did. Confirms I need to read newbie oriented material about dual booting Debian on a UEFI equipped Windows machine (with or without Secure Boot). Suggestions? TIA On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 3:06 PM Richard Owlett wrote: I will be setting up a Windows laptop to dual boot Debian. If the machine has legacy BIOS, no problem as I've done that before. If it is a UEFI machine (possibly with secure boot, what should I be reading. TIA
Re: Dual booting Debian on an Windows machine.
Thanks for a quick reply. On 04/30/2022 07:23 AM, Christian Britz wrote: Generally it is easier to install Windows first, then Debian, but of course it is possible the other way round. My post evidently could have been clearer. My friend's laptop will be purchased with Windows pre-installed. I will set it up to dual boot Debian in order to demonstrate some Linux software. It will be a refurbished unit. To simplify having any required servicing done by the vendor, the installed Windows must remain. As the only Windows computer I've added Debian to was back in days of Squeeze. Never having with UEFI nor Secure Boot I did a brief web search. What I found wasn't well written and was not specifically Debian oriented. Reading your post suggests I've forgotten things and know less than I thought about recent hardware/software. Suggested formal articles? TIA The Debian boot manager can be configured to respect the Windows installation, the Windows boot manager does not know anything about other operating systems, so you should leave that to Debians tools, usually GRUB. You can also select the OS to be booted in most (?) UEFI settings implementations. The Debian installer is capable of resizing existing Windows installations, to make room for Debian. You should keep a Debian Live USB stick around, because Windows still sets the MS boot manager as default under some circumstances. Alternative would be to select the boot device from UEFI settings as mentioned and then fix the problem from the installed Debian. To get GRUB to know about Windows OS, you need the package os-prober. I am not sure if this is automatically installed by the installer, if it detects Windows. If not, install it later. Note that os-prober will probably get deactivated in the next Debian release for some security concerns, AFAIK it is not yet decided, how this will be finally handled and if there will be an alternative mechanism. If you can choose between UEFI and BIOS (legacy) mode, I would recommend UEFI, it simplifies booting and has probably other advantages too. I use UEFI with disabled secure boot. It is possible to use secure boot with Debian, but you have to actively care for key handling and signing of kernels and modules which you compile yourself then. Another alternative to your plan might be to run the Windows installation in one of the many available VM solutions. This works very well, except for accelerated video (no option if you want to play games or use special streaming software which is only available for Windows). Hope that helps, Christian On 2022-04-30 13:50 UTC+0200, Richard Owlett wrote: I will be setting up a Windows laptop to dual boot Debian. If the machine has legacy BIOS, no problem as I've done that before. If it is a UEFI machine (possibly with secure boot, what should I be reading. TIA
Dual booting Debian on an Windows machine.
I will be setting up a Windows laptop to dual boot Debian. If the machine has legacy BIOS, no problem as I've done that before. If it is a UEFI machine (possibly with secure boot, what should I be reading. TIA
[Path forward] WAS: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On 04/21/2022 07:03 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I am not upgrading in place. I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a different partition. I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on its current partition. I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf [https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html] Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on both? Yes. This discussion has pointed out several things I wish I had been aware of when I had done the original install. Debian 11 will be installed on a different physical machine which has much more physical disk space and an available SSD slot. I will use a separate /home partition and take a look at possible additional partitions while moving data piecemeal from this machine. Thanks to all for some education.
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On 04/21/2022 10:12 AM, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-04-21 16:34 UTC+0200, Richard Owlett wrote: My browser is a SeaMonkey stand alone executable. There is such a thing? The SeaMonkey I know, consists of many different files in a directory, not one "stand alone executable". And it will store it's settings and stuff in a profile directory under /home. And due to odd circumstances that's where SeaMonkey is installed.
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On 04/21/2022 08:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 8:21 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I am not upgrading in place. I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a different partition. I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on its current partition. I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf [ https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ] Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on both? My approach to this is to create (and use) a separate Partition, which I call /bighome. When I create users (I use several, based on Function), I separately create a Directory on /bighome, and change its ownership to the User. Each Partition has its own /home, but mainly for the .dot files. Anything that is likely to be long term is on /bighome. This /bighome has survived from Squeeze to Bookworm, as well as a number of Ubuntu releases. Sounds interesting. Do you have multiple versions of Debian installed at the same time or have you upgraded a single copy of Debian several times? Hope this helps. Kenneth Parker
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On 04/21/2022 07:59 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 07:03:01AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I am not upgrading in place. I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a different partition. I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on its current partition. I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf [https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html] Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on both? Desktop environments That could be a problem. I use MATE. I don't know where it stores what. Or even it mutually compatible will the install procedure over write data I created? I suspect it would and this machine doesn't have the disk capacity to be safe. I've got a spare SSD with enough space to experiment with. and some programs (libre office, I avoid that beast. browsers, My browser is a SeaMonkey stand alone executable. that kind of stuff) putting their user configs in your home might get confused should you plan to change back-and-forth. Most of the time they expect to upgrade their configs, but not necessarily to downgrade. The OS itself should be fine, though. With enough thought I can have the desired effect even though the topography will be very different. Thanks for the warning. Cheers
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On 04/21/2022 07:34 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I am not upgrading in place. I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a different partition. I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on its current partition. I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf [https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html] Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on both? There are edge cases, but nothing major. For example, if you write lots of interpreted programs, you may discover that a Debian-supplied language has been upgraded -- say, Python 2 to Python 3 -- and some programs need to be fixed. I don't write much code and just about all of it is shell commands. IIRC any program I put under /home is self-contained w.o. external dependencies. If you have hardcoded paths to /usr/bin, note that you may have errors because those programs are now in /bin. I assume any problem there cause things to come to a screeching halt. IOW existence of a problem will be obvious. It is possible, if you are careful, to share /home between different operating systems. Not just different Linux distros, but BSDs and other UNIXoids. -dsr-
Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
I am not upgrading in place. I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a different partition. I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on its current partition. I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf [https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html] Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on both? TIA
Re: Grub question
On 04/20/2022 05:44 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 20 Apr 2022 at 20:09:54 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 02:31:30PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a machine set aside to test several configurations of Debian 11. Is there away to have the Grub Menu _automatically_ display the assigned partition name rather than than /dev/sdaN ? I wonder whether this changes if you use labels as references? I'm not sure quite what you mean by "as references". To be honest, I never notice - it's a menu which says Debian and a couple of other options and I jut hit [Enter] almost automatically :) If by "assigned partition name" the OP means either of LABEL or PARTLABEL, then I think the answer is no. When creating a partition with Gparted the is a box titled "Label:". I was referring to the content placed there. Grub itself, of course, supports their use, but not the scripts that generate grub.cfg. IIRC several years ago I was told I could manually edit to display as desired. It would be overwritten the next time update-grub was run. If you allow grub-mkconfig to use UUIDs (the default), then it's relatively straightforward to script their conversion to LABELS, using the information in /run/udev/data/b* to build a conversion table. Just remember that you have to pair each change with the option names, --fs-uuid → --label. That probably falls outside the OP's definition of _automatically_ displaying them. It's outside of my ideal dream. My desired result should be achievable with a batch file calling update-grub and then using a routine to do the process in the paragraph above. 'Bout time I brushed up on batch file prep ;} Recommended reading that I wouldn't immediately find with DuckDuckGo? Thanks. Cheers, David.
Grub question
I have a machine set aside to test several configurations of Debian 11. Is there away to have the Grub Menu _automatically_ display the assigned partition name rather than than /dev/sdaN ?
Re: What is a repository? What is a metapackage?
On 04/16/2022 09:21 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 08:50:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: A goal of the Debian installer is to create a system that can be used by *ALL* people to use for *ANY* possible purpose. I find the resulting system: 1. consumes more disk space than necessary. 2. consumes excessive bandwidth during installation. [I have a low monthly cap on my internet connection.] 3. installs packages I whose function I don't need/want. 4. doesn't install functions I routinely use. 5. installs packages that unsatisfactorily perform needed functions. [I have to install additional packages.] I plan to get around these problems by creating a local repository and several very custom metapackages. My internet search turned up tools to create and/or modify both. I did not find authoritative descriptions of the structure of either repositories or metapackages. Where do I find such? TIA Hi Richard, I don't think you _need_ a full repository - but Agreed! *GRIN* What I _need_ is something that apt/aptitude/synaptic/etc will treat as a "normal" repository. As to its _content_, it will be a close approximation to DVD1.iso . In fact, if I had fully described what I wish to accomplish, the automatic response of this group would have been to use either apt-cache or loop mount DVD1.iso . https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format will give you a start as will https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository. The later addresses my perspective. If my project is to succeed, I will NEED the former's content. Reprepro sounds like a good start - https://wiki.debian.org/PartialBackportMirrorWithPackageApproval THAT page suggests that "Reprepro" is irrelevant. *HOWEVER* https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/reprepro and https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/reprepro/reprepro.1.en.html seem to say otherwise ;} This appears to be a howto specifically on building a metapackage - https://blends.debian.org/blends/apb.html That is one of the pages I had found. I was looking for a page with perspective more similar to the "Repository" pages you referenced. I'd suggest that you begin with a debootstrap / with a minimum Debian installation. I'd do an expert mode text install, then use tasksel to remove all packages that are checked - no desktop environment, no standard packages - and build out from there. *GRIN* That's where I started in days of Squeeze. It raised the questions I wish to answer. You _will_ hit dependency problems, I can guarantee it *I _AGREE_* !!! I have hit them. Part of my motivation is to reproducibly demonstrate an installer *BUG*! but if you're sure that you know absolutely what you want, you can deal with it. If you don't want to do this over the 'Net, I'd suggest using a DVD and a virtual machine of some description to bootstrap this effort. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
What is a repository? What is a metapackage?
A goal of the Debian installer is to create a system that can be used by *ALL* people to use for *ANY* possible purpose. I find the resulting system: 1. consumes more disk space than necessary. 2. consumes excessive bandwidth during installation. [I have a low monthly cap on my internet connection.] 3. installs packages I whose function I don't need/want. 4. doesn't install functions I routinely use. 5. installs packages that unsatisfactorily perform needed functions. [I have to install additional packages.] I plan to get around these problems by creating a local repository and several very custom metapackages. My internet search turned up tools to create and/or modify both. I did not find authoritative descriptions of the structure of either repositories or metapackages. Where do I find such? TIA
Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
On 04/09/2022 01:17 PM, davidson wrote: On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/08/2022 01:18 AM, Tixy wrote: On Thu, 2022-04-07 at 09:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. You can download all the pages using a recursive wget: wget -r -k -np https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ That's 774kB of files when I tried it (I know internet data usage is important to you). I've never used wget. I just did an initial reading of its quite detailed man page. Is there a recommended introduction to wget. I'm not thinking of a tutorial so much as a "What wget can do for you" intro. $ info --index-string=Examples wget Same material on public web pages: https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html_node/Examples.html Thank you. That's the type of page I'm looking for. The HTML format is more practical than straight text as I can preset a suitable font size.
Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
On 04/08/2022 01:18 AM, Tixy wrote: On Thu, 2022-04-07 at 09:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. You can download all the pages using a recursive wget: wget -r -k -np https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ That's 774kB of files when I tried it (I know internet data usage is important to you). I've never used wget. I just did an initial reading of its quite detailed man page. Is there a recommended introduction to wget. I'm not thinking of a tutorial so much as a "What wget can do for you" intro. The data cap on my monthly internet usage is about to become less intrusive. I've been informed that the bandwidth available to the local library's machines makes downloading DVD1 reasonable.
Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
On 04/07/2022 10:56 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: On 4/7/22, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: On 4/7/22, Richard Owlett wrote: I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file? Have you seen the "installation-guide-amd64" package in Debian's repositories? I'd never seen it before. Stumbled upon it about a month ago. I just launched it, and it looks similar to what's on your page there, just for Bookworm instead of Bullseye for me. Mine doesn't have that opening "Welcome" chapter, but there are all kinds of references to how to install throughout the rest of it. I went back and looked at my copy some more. It also doesn't (?) present that handy part about prerequisites. If that's something that's also needed, I took a hint from wayback-machine-downloader [0] and tried searching apt-get's repositories for similar. Ended up with "webhttrack" which says: "Description-en: Copy websites to your computer, httrack with a Web interface WebHTTrack is an offline browser utility, allowing you to download a World Wide website from the Internet to a local directory, building recursively all directories, getting html, images, and other files from the server to your computer, using a step-by-step web interface. . WebHTTrack arranges the original site's relative link-structure. Simply open a page of the "mirrored" website in your browser, and you can browse the site from link to link, as if you were viewing it online. HTTrack can also update an existing mirrored site, and resume interrupted downloads. WebHTTrack is fully configurable, and has an integrated help system." One issue would be for those websites that use hard (full, long) links instead of the relative ones. I just viewed your online link's source code, and the links, thankfully, appear to be relative. Thank you, Debian Developers! PS Looking one more time at WebHTTrack's self-description, fingers crossed that maybe it creates relative links as it works its magic, regardless of what the original website's webmaster did. THAT would nice! Cindy :) [0] https://github.com/hartator/wayback-machine-downloader WebHTTrack sounds like a program I've used, it can download just about any reasonable document. Linux-Fan pointed me to the right directory so my current problem is solved. Thank you.
Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
On 04/07/2022 11:59 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: Richard Owlett writes: On 04/07/2022 10:22 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: On 4/7/22, Richard Owlett wrote: I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file? Have you seen the "installation-guide-amd64" package in Debian's repositories? Thank you. No, I hadn't. The machine I'm currently on is running Debian 9.13 [I'm prepping to do a install of 11.3 to another machine]. I found it listed in Synaptic and installed it. It does not appear in any of MATE's menus and I can't reboot until later today. Do you know in which sub-directory I might find it? Try /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-amd64/en/index.html as the entry point. An easy way to find out about a package's files after installation is `dpkg -L `, e.g. in this case: $ dpkg -L installation-guide-amd64 Btw. the guide in the package is then not a single HTML file but multiple files (in case it matters...) My hard requirement was that it was accessible while off-line. That it is in multiple files might make one of day-dream projects feasible. Thank you. HTH Linux-Fan öö [...]
Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
On 04/07/2022 10:22 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: On 4/7/22, Richard Owlett wrote: I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file? Have you seen the "installation-guide-amd64" package in Debian's repositories? Thank you. No, I hadn't. The machine I'm currently on is running Debian 9.13 [I'm prepping to do a install of 11.3 to another machine]. I found it listed in Synaptic and installed it. It does not appear in any of MATE's menus and I can't reboot until later today. Do you know in which sub-directory I might find it? I'd never seen it before. Stumbled upon it about a month ago. I just launched it, and it looks similar to what's on your page there, just for Bookworm instead of Bullseye for me. Mine doesn't have that opening "Welcome" chapter, but there are all kinds of references to how to install throughout the rest of it. Hope that helps someone, anyway. Cindy :)
Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"
I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for *OFFLINE* use. The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual] lead *ONLY* to Page 1. Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file? TIA
Re: Problems with custom install of MATE
Let's press reset a little. For reasons not directly tied to Debian, I'm no longer purchasing DVD sets on any media. I am still constrained by a low data cap. My system installs *will* continue to use "--no-install-recommends": 1. It conserves limited resource [i.e. data cap] 2. It reduces workspace clutter. What constitutes "clutter" is strongly influenced by resource constrained systems I used in 60's and 70's. It is now largely an aesthetic judgement. The time I spent using DVDs was worthwhile. I now have a good idea of how my system should look/feel and function. My procedure will be a text mode install using netinst.iso followed by a script using apt-get. I could use preseeding but will be more comfortable with a a script.
Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]
On 03/08/2022 03:10 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Before I retired I spent decades in customer and engineering support.
Became familiar clashing desires and corner cases.
I wasn't looking at X needing a DM, but rather that if the DE {MATE in my
case} was going to be useful it had to start [preferably automatically].
But you don't need a DM to start a session running MATE.
[ You don't even need an X server installed, actually, since you could
be running the whole DE remotely, tho I don't know how well this
works nowadays. ]
*ROFL* !!!
In my world [snicker]
MATE is my only connection to somebody's concept of reality ;/ ;/
;/;/;/;/;/
Re: Problems with custom install of MATE
On 03/08/2022 12:49 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 07:11:51 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: Low data caps always tug at the heartstrings, but avoiding Recommends: can be a recipe for disaster (for you or us)). HUH? ?? ??? ;/ ! !! !!! How does avoiding "Recommends" on *MY* personal universe, affect you? My recollection is that you use a set of purchased DVDs for the purpose of saving bandwidth. Hvae you lost them? I used purchased DVDs (frequently flash drives) as last resort. WARNING: Lateral thinking coming up :). 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . No bandwidth used. *HUH* ? ?? ??? ???**6.23*10**23 The first thing that ISO does is connect me to internet 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment You have a DVD with that on? Not!!! 3. apt-get install xinit 4. apt-get --no-install-recommends install xorg gparted synaptic pluma xinit, xorg, gparted and synaptic are on DVD-1. But Who? has DVD1 ??? Try reading before responding.
Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]
On 03/08/2022 10:45 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 08:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
[...]
"apt-get --no-install-recommends install lightdm" solved #1 and #2.
Does that demonstrate a dependency bug?
Most definitely not. X doesn't need the DM to run. Actually there are
folks out there that want to start up in console mode and start X only
on demand (I did that, for quite a while, FWIW).
Before I retired I spent decades in customer and engineering support.
Became familiar clashing desires and corner cases.
I wasn't looking at X needing a DM, but rather that if the DE {MATE in
my case} was going to be useful it had to start [preferably automatically].
Disabling recomends is not... recommended by default (I do, but then
I'm willing to cope with the ocassional fallout).
But I'm on the other side of the quandary.
For my use case, installing recommends degrades my user experience.
A goal of the Debian installer team has been that anyone of any
experience level &/or familiarity with Debian could just install then
compute. They succeeded!
I want to grok Debian's internals well enough to come up with a solution
*I* like ;/! But not be offensive to the rest of the world.
Cheers
Re: Problems with custom install of MATE
On 03/08/2022 08:37 AM, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-03-08 14:11 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote: 4. I'll be installing SeaMonkey but have forgotten how to have it appear on appropriate Applications sub-menu. As there is no Debian package for SeaMonkey, you will probably extract the binaries from seamonkey-project.org somewhere. To make it appear in the applications menu, you will have to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. For reference, this is what my firefox.desktop file looks like: [Desktop Entry] Name=Firefox Comment=Web Browser Exec=/opt/firefox/firefox %u Terminal=false Type=Application Icon=/opt/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/default128.png Categories=Network;WebBrowser; MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml+xml;application/xml;application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml;application/rss+xml;application/rdf+xml;image/gif;image/jpeg;image/png;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https; StartupNotify=true Actions=Private; [Desktop Action Private] Exec=/opt/firefox/firefox --private-window %u Name=Open in private mode You should create a similar seamonkey.desktop file. HTH, Christian I have SeaMonkey launched from "Internet" sub-menu of "Applications" menu. IIRC it was only a couple of mouse clicks to get it there.
Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]
On 03/08/2022 07:32 AM, Richmond wrote: Richard Owlett writes: As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment 3. apt-get install xinit 4. apt-get --no-install-recommends install xorg gparted synaptic pluma Between those steps were searches/fixes for some things that didn't run as expected. Current questions/problems include: 1. Why do I have to manually run startx at each boot? 2. Although menu entries for gparted and pluma appear as expected, there appears to be no way to launch synaptic. 3. Although connected to internet [i.e. apt-get runs correctly], the appropriate icon does not appear on MATE's taskbar. 4. I'll be installing SeaMonkey but have forgotten how to have it appear on appropriate Applications sub-menu. I've done it all before but can't find my references. Help please. TIA 1. Probably you don't have a display manager. Mate uses light display manager, and it is configured here: /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service But there is a script or procedure for configuring it. Probably just install lightdm. "apt-get --no-install-recommends install lightdm" solved #1 and #2. Does that demonstrate a dependency bug?
Problems with custom install of MATE
As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment 3. apt-get install xinit 4. apt-get --no-install-recommends install xorg gparted synaptic pluma Between those steps were searches/fixes for some things that didn't run as expected. Current questions/problems include: 1. Why do I have to manually run startx at each boot? 2. Although menu entries for gparted and pluma appear as expected, there appears to be no way to launch synaptic. 3. Although connected to internet [i.e. apt-get runs correctly], the appropriate icon does not appear on MATE's taskbar. 4. I'll be installing SeaMonkey but have forgotten how to have it appear on appropriate Applications sub-menu. I've done it all before but can't find my references. Help please. TIA
Re: Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
On 03/06/2022 06:44 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/06/2022 05:43 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Currently I use dd if=netinst.iso bs=64M of=/dev/sdb I would like way to copy it such that: 1. a legacy BIOS could launch it 2. Gparted would not complain about block size 3. there would be at least two partitions usable misc files one of the nice people here posted a program for doing this called make_isombr_part (or something similar). see if you can find it. archive search for this group Feb-Mar 2017. [SNIP] First Duckduckgo hit is https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01268.html Post by Thomas Schmitt. As tonight's weather is scheduled to be flooding rain followed by unspecified amount of snow I'll have time to chase down any updates to it and do initial experiments with the ventoy package suggested by Joe. Definite snow has been replaced by possible tornadoes. The description of ventoy is beginning to intrigue me. I'll pursue that venue.
Re: Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
On 03/06/2022 10:25 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [ *SNIP* ] I guess that gparted's confusion is because of the nested partitions. Another cause could be the GPT and APM debris. (It is the main job of make_isombr_part to remove this.) In order to check the theory about nested partitions you could delete partition 2 which you don't need for BIOS booting. E.g. by this interactive run: $ sudo fdisk /dev/sdb ... welcome messages , maybe use p to get the table shown ... Command (m for help): d Partition number (1,2, default 2): 2 Partition 2 has been deleted. Command (m for help): w The partition table has been altered. Syncing disks. Maybe gparted likes it better afterwards. *NO*! It does nothing *useful* for gparted. The *_ONLY_* change is that the file type of /dev/sdc2 is now "unknown".
Re: Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
On 03/06/2022 07:09 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Currently I use dd if=netinst.iso bs=64M of=/dev/sdb I would like way to copy it such that: 1. a legacy BIOS could launch it This should work fine after above dd run. I does. 2. Gparted would not complain about block size Usually the partition editors complain about the weird mix of MBR partition table, GPT, and Apple Partition Map (APM), of which the former two serve as boot lures for EFI firmware and the latter is useless. What complaints exactly do you get from gparted when trying to add a new partition ? The error message block is titled It is not possible to create more than 1 primary partition Gparted reports existing partition information to be: Partition | File system | Label | Size | Used /dev/sdc1 | unknown |Debian 11.2.0 amd64 | 4.00 KiB | --- unallocated | unallocated | | 1.98 MiB | --- /dev/sdc2 | fat16 | | 2.53 MiB | 2.52 MiB unallocated | unallocated | | 29.81 GiB | --- 3. there would be at least two partitions usable misc files songbird wrote: one of the nice people here posted a program for doing this called make_isombr_part (or something similar). That was me. Presentation of first version: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01215.html Richard Owlett's encounter first failed because the binary was amd64 and his architecture was i386: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01218.html I then proposed to build it from source, which seems to have succeeded: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01225.html After successful compilation I don't recall having actually attempted to use it. R. Owlett i have two versions of it now, but it was a five years ago and i don't recall if i made the changes or got a new version from the author. :) Your request for a dry-run mode was fulfilled by a new version: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01268.html which needed a fix because of a misleading program message: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01270.html That's the version which is still available as http://scdbackup.webframe.org/make_isombr_part.c MD5 dd3e1a16e9593f908a1ce9ec848fd929 (My local version is slightly younger and seems to have been augmented for being able to determine the USB stick size on FreeBSD, too. Dunno whether this was for real use or just some finger exercises for myself.) 3. add boot loader (syslinux) Why this step ? The ISO brings a SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX boot loader for legacy BIOS (and GRUB for EFI). The MBR of the ISO hops onto the ISOLINUX boot image which then brings up the SYSLINUX boot menu. What negative effect did you see when not performing this step 3 ? Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
On 03/06/2022 05:43 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Currently I use dd if=netinst.iso bs=64M of=/dev/sdb I would like way to copy it such that: 1. a legacy BIOS could launch it 2. Gparted would not complain about block size 3. there would be at least two partitions usable misc files one of the nice people here posted a program for doing this called make_isombr_part (or something similar). see if you can find it. archive search for this group Feb-Mar 2017. [SNIP] First Duckduckgo hit is https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01268.html Post by Thomas Schmitt. As tonight's weather is scheduled to be flooding rain followed by unspecified amount of snow I'll have time to chase down any updates to it and do initial experiments with the ventoy package suggested by Joe. Thanks
Re: Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
On 03/06/2022 04:52 AM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 04:06:23 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: Currently I use dd if=netinst.iso bs=64M of=/dev/sdb I would like way to copy it such that: 1. a legacy BIOS could launch it 2. Gparted would not complain about block size 3. there would be at least two partitions usable misc files This probably doesn't quite meet all your needs, but it's fairly new and not widely known yet, you may want to investigate it anyway: https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html Browsed the site. Looks very promising. It may not fulfill my 3rd point literally. But seems to have a solution for the problem I wanted to address. Its ability to handle multiple ISO files may allow to solve a problem I've dreamed of attacking for a VERY long time. It's new, so here may be dragons, Dragons are where the fun is ;} Thank you. but I've used it a bit and nothing has broken yet. I have four Debian netinst.iso images (including an i386) and winpe.iso on an 8GB microSD. Installation wipes the card, then makes two partitions (one EFI), but the exfat iso partition is still writable for files and directories. I don't know about the prospects of shrinking the exfat partition, I don't use the format myself, but the documents suggest you can reformat it to practically anything.
Conviently having netinst.iso on a 32GB flash drive
Currently I use dd if=netinst.iso bs=64M of=/dev/sdb I would like way to copy it such that: 1. a legacy BIOS could launch it 2. Gparted would not complain about block size 3. there would be at least two partitions usable misc files TIA
Re: Launch a minimal MATE DE
On 03/06/2022 03:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Mar 06, 2022 at 09:34:36AM +0100, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-03-06 09:30 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote: apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment When I attempted to run startx I received the message startx: command not found Hi Richard, I can't tell you anything about the dependencies but you could try to install xinit package. This contains the startx command. (Thanks, Christian, for the fish. Now I'll try to sell the rod ;-) I guess the reel and line are up to me ;} Reminder (paste this on a sticky note on your workshop wall :) apt-file search startx (or, if you want more specific results): apt-file search /usr/bin/startx A partial path, like bin/startx will do, too (so if you don't know whether the thing lives in /bin/foo, /sbin/foo, /usr/bin/foo, /usr/sbin/foo you can match against "bin/foo". Enjoy Debian :) Been enjoying it since days of Squeeze. I just use it strangely. Thanks. Cheers
Re: Launch a minimal MATE DE
On 03/06/2022 03:00 AM, Christian Britz wrote:
On 2022-03-06 09:49 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote:
Thanks. I'll try that. At the moment I'm having some hardware problems
connecting the test machine to the internet. I use a Alcatel Linkzone
4GLTE Hotspot from T-Mobile. Intermittently Debian doesn't recognize it.
Yesterday it was fine ;{
If you have an Android phone (probably with iPhone too),
I don't have any smartphone. Due to elderly eyes, a laptop screen is
barely large enough. Normally I use a 17" monitor.
you could try
to put the sim card into the phone and connect it via USB. USB tethering
works out of the box for me on Debian stable.
I connect the Linkzone via USB. I have disabled its WiFi as I've not
spent the time to understand how to have secure WiFi and in any case I
only use one machine at a time.
After doing power off/on on both the laptop and Linkzone everything
worked. I now have the desired minimal MATE DE.
For anyone reading this thread, my request for suggested reading stands.
Thanks.
Regards,
Christian
Re: Launch a minimal MATE DE
On 03/06/2022 02:34 AM, Christian Britz wrote:
On 2022-03-06 09:30 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote:
apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment
When I attempted to run startx I received the message
startx: command not found
Hi Richard,
I can't tell you anything about the dependencies but you could try to
install xinit package. This contains the startx command.
Regards,
Christian
Thanks. I'll try that. At the moment I'm having some hardware problems
connecting the test machine to the internet. I use a Alcatel Linkzone
4GLTE Hotspot from T-Mobile. Intermittently Debian doesn't recognize it.
Yesterday it was fine ;{
Launch a minimal MATE DE
I used debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install CLI of Debian. I then did: apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment When I attempted to run startx I received the message startx: command not found IIRC this has worked in the past. But it has been a couple of years. What have I forgotten? What should I be re-reading? TIA
Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?
On 03/04/2022 04:47 AM, Ottavio Caruso wrote: One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram I suspect the specific model of Thinkpad may be relevant. HTH only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). Never mind put an 8GB stick; it might not even work. At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot of Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are Chromium and Firefox, the rest is ok. Thanks, merci, grazie.
Re: Installing minimal command line system with netinst.iso
On 03/03/2022 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 14:24:29 -0600
Richard Owlett wrote:
I have limited internet connectivity.
I have read over the years that installing a *MINIMAL* command line
system from netinst.iso [without internet is possible].
The intent to add pieces later assumed.
Is this process described somewhere?
I've got a system that appears to have a very minimal shell running.
My potential internet connection is a USB connected hotspot from
T-Mobile. On a typical GUI installed Debian it runs fine.
My minimal system doesn't recognize it.
What might be the missing software?
Any suggestions?
My effective data cap at the moment is ~1 GB/month.
Among my goals is installer for those with _*minimal*_ resources.
I'm assuming you're connecting your phone
It is not a phone.
It is a WiFi Hotspot intended to serve 16 WiFi connected devices.
Specifically it is labeled "Alcatel Linkzone", a "4GLTE Hotspot".
I have selected to keep the WiFi disabled {a menu choice}.
[I consider WiFi to be intrinsically a potential vulnerability. As a
senior citizen I'm old fashioned.}
directly via its USB port to a
USB port on your computer. You probably need to make an entry
in /etc/network/interfaces. Plus, enable "USB tethering" (not wifi) in
Settings/Network on your phone. Here's my interfaces entry:
allow-hotplug usb0
iface usb0 inet dhcp
My phone gets recognized as usb0, your's my differ. Make the
correction, if needed.
Your description would be consistent with what I see.
When I power up my laptop, I have to leave the Hotspot unplugged until
the boot process has completed. Otherwise it tries to treat it as a
memory device.
Can you point me to a more complete description of the process?
TIA
B
iface usb0 inet dhcp
Re: Installing minimal command line system with netinst.iso
On 03/03/2022 03:01 PM, Hans wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. März 2022, 21:24:29 CET schrieb Richard Owlett:
Hi Richard,
I suppose you got not a hotspot from T-mobile, but an USB-stick with a GSM-
card inside.
Nope!
It is a WiFi Hotspot intended to serve 16 WiFi connected devices.
Specifically it is labeled "Alcatel Linkzone", a "4GLTE Hotspot".
I have selected to keep the WiFi disabled {a menu choice}.
[I consider WiFi to be intrinsically a potential vulnerability. As a
senior citizen I'm old fashioned.}
The USB-stick you describe is probably what I was looking for when my
dial-up connected ISP closed down several years ago. T-Mobile was the
only local wireless provider that did want to coerce me into buying a
"smart"(sic) phone. Back then their screens were too small to be usable.
These USB-stick need some firmware, maybe just that is missing?
If you like to use taht USB-stick, which I have in mind, you can connect with
it to the internet with the normal modem commands.
And please note, this sticks sometimes got a little memeory on it (for windows
drivers), and youu have to force linux to see the usb-stick as modem and not
as a memorystick.
I've noticed that ;/
When I power up my laptop, I have to leave it unplugged until the boot
process has completed. Otherwise it tries to treat it as a memory device.
There is a nice little tool for this, called "comgt", which does handle it.
Synaptic's description of "comgt" describes as aimed at "3G datacards".
My device is 4G and the homepage link is outdated.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for trying. Any other suggestions?
Best
Hans
I have limited internet connectivity.
I have read over the years that installing a *MINIMAL* command line
system from netinst.iso [without internet is possible].
The intent to add pieces later assumed.
Is this process described somewhere?
I've got a system that appears to have a very minimal shell running.
My potential internet connection is a USB connected hotspot from
T-Mobile. On a typical GUI installed Debian it runs fine.
My minimal system doesn't recognize it.
What might be the missing software?
Any suggestions?
My effective data cap at the moment is ~1 GB/month.
Among my goals is installer for those with _*minimal*_ resources.
TIA
Installing minimal command line system with netinst.iso
I have limited internet connectivity. I have read over the years that installing a *MINIMAL* command line system from netinst.iso [without internet is possible]. The intent to add pieces later assumed. Is this process described somewhere? I've got a system that appears to have a very minimal shell running. My potential internet connection is a USB connected hotspot from T-Mobile. On a typical GUI installed Debian it runs fine. My minimal system doesn't recognize it. What might be the missing software? Any suggestions? My effective data cap at the moment is ~1 GB/month. Among my goals is installer for those with _*minimal*_ resources. TIA
Re: CLARIFICATION --- Re: i386 or AMD64 - Which is currently running?
On 02/01/2022 12:12 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... My hardware can support either 32 or 64 bit OS. I *ONLY* use one or the other. My goal is to determine which I chose at installation. that should be somewhere in: /var/log/installer Yes but ;/ "dpkg --print-architecture" is very user friendly. "file /bin/ls" is flexible and acceptably friendly.
Re: i386 or AMD64 - Which is currently running?
On 01/31/2022 03:37 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: Technically correct, but Curt's response was good enough for Richard Owlett to make progress. Richard Owlett is very unlikely to be using a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace. BTW, for the twisted-minded it's probably possible to run a 64bit userspace on a 32bit kernel. Though I'm *NOT* that twisted. [ROFL] IIRC I came across instructions some where to do that.
CLARIFICATION --- Re: i386 or AMD64 - Which is currently running?
On 01/31/2022 02:01 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 31 Jan 2022 at 11:38:17 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: uname -m Are you saying that that doesn't reveal whether I've installed a 64 or a 32 bit release? It does not. It only reveals which kernel is running. As I said in another message, you could have a 32-bit userspace with a 64-bit kernel. If that's the case, then uname -m gives you the wrong answer. You want dpkg --print-architecture, or else file /bin/ls (or some other program that's guaranteed to be there, and to be a compiled native executable file). Technically correct, but Curt's response was good enough for Richard Owlett to make progress. Richard Owlett is very unlikely to be using a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace. My hardware can support either 32 or 64 bit OS. I *ONLY* use one or the other. My goal is to determine which I chose at installation.
Re: i386 or AMD64 - Which is currently running?
On 01/31/2022 06:37 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2022-01-31, Richard Owlett wrote:
Due to historical circumstances, I have laptops which multi-boot various
Debian releases. There be 32 bit and 64 bit versions of the same release
on a particular machine.
1. From current console, how can I determine which is running?
[ equivalent of /etc/debian_version would be ideal ]
uname -m
That returns a related piece of information.
"uname -r" better answers the question I asked.
*HOWEVER*, Greg's response, "The real command the OP is looking for is
dpkg --print-architecture", answers the question I _should have_ asked.
2. As superuser, how can I determine which is installed on a different
partition?
[ My typical installation routine has been a descriptive label for
each root partition. But not always done ;{ ]
If the superuser doesn't know, I surely don't know.
I was trying to determine what another boot-able OS on the machine would do.
I suspect the appropriate use of the "--admindir=?" option to
"dpkg-query" may be appropriate [I need to carefully re-read man-pages
for dpkg-query and dpkg.]
Web search gave plethora of hits related to which to install. Nothing
for my particular question.
Inexplicable.
No. I needed a different set of search terms or an wise search engine.
Thanks for the responses received so far - especially Greg's mind-reading.
i386 or AMD64 - Which is currently running?
Due to historical circumstances, I have laptops which multi-boot various
Debian releases. There be 32 bit and 64 bit versions of the same release
on a particular machine.
1. From current console, how can I determine which is running?
[ equivalent of /etc/debian_version would be ideal ]
2. As superuser, how can I determine which is installed on a different
partition?
[ My typical installation routine has been a descriptive label for
each root partition. But not always done ;{ ]
Web search gave plethora of hits related to which to install. Nothing
for my particular question.
TIA
Re: How to rotate then save a PDF document?
On 01/11/2022 09:27 AM, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 11.01.2022 19:37, Richard Owlett wrote: I use MATE and thus use Atril as viewer. Typically I have no need to modify PDF documents. I received a reading a long reading list which needs to be rotated left to be read. Atril rotates it but does not save it as rotated. What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? TIA I'd go with GIMP. Simply open any .pdf file and use Transform function ( Image > Transform > Rotate... ). After that Export ( File > Export As ) the edited document as a new file and check the results in .pdf viewer. GIMP will also handle multi-paged .pdf documents just fine. Worked like a charm. I tend to think of PDF as just another text format. I date from Teletype and Decwriter era ;} Thanks.
How to rotate then save a PDF document?
I use MATE and thus use Atril as viewer. Typically I have no need to modify PDF documents. I received a reading a long reading list which needs to be rotated left to be read. Atril rotates it but does not save it as rotated. What's the simplest tool to permanently rotate that specific document? TIA
Re: Peak load handling by Debian repository servers ????
On 12/26/2021 08:22 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 08:15:54AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: How does Debian repository distribute load during peaks? Where/how is this documented? Consider the case when many users may specify the same URL in sources.list . If they all try to install packages at the same time there could be problems. How does a particular user know which physical server provided a particular package? I have a problem that could be explained by different users receiving packages from different servers. My web searches and other posts have been futile. I need background information to be able to ask an answerable question. Appropriate documentation URL? TIA deb.debian.org is a distributed network of mirrors based on geolocation It should be absolutely immaterial which server provided which package logs may tell you which mirror apt-get queried. All the very best, as ever Andy Cater *Appropriate documentation URL?*
Peak load handling by Debian repository servers ????
How does Debian repository distribute load during peaks? Where/how is this documented? Consider the case when many users may specify the same URL in sources.list . If they all try to install packages at the same time there could be problems. How does a particular user know which physical server provided a particular package? I have a problem that could be explained by different users receiving packages from different servers. My web searches and other posts have been futile. I need background information to be able to ask an answerable question. Appropriate documentation URL? TIA
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime
On 12/18/2021 08:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 dec 21, 07:00:56, Richard Owlett wrote: Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well as the output of dpkg -L bibletime-data At ~100 kB and > 1300 lines, too big for a news group. Also I'm up against a data cap for another couple of weeks. Care to provide these as well? What sub-command of apt-file?
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime
On 12/18/2021 04:05 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 14 dec 21, 04:20:00, Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600): I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/? I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e URL) contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other URL's". I.E. I used Synaptic to install bibletime -- bible study tool for Qt AND bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime Please demonstrate this with the output of dpkg -l bibletime\* When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the handbook files were displayed. When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see handbook files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against Debian 10. I've done a fresh install of Debian 11 using the same copy of dvd1.iso . I then installed bibletime. F1 and F2 still do not work. I also installed Sid. Bibletime installed properly there. IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator error. Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well as the output of dpkg -L bibletime-data richard@debian-11:~$ su Password: root@debian-11:/home/richard# dpkg -l bibletime\* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==---==> ii bibletime 3.0-5amd64bible study tool for Qt ii bibletime-data 3.0-5all Documentation and data for bibleti> un bibletime-i18n (no description available) lines 1-8/8 (END) I see the same on Sid. In both cases Synaptic states the repository is http://deb.debian.org/debian I've also found https://deb.debian.org/ which states: The server deb.debian.org does not have packages itself, but the name has SRV records in DNS that let apt in stretch and later find places. The *LAST* package installed by Synaptic was bibletime. In which log-file do I look to find the *EXACT* URL bibletime was retrieved from. IIRC there is some load sharing going on in the background which would account for me retrieving different files than others.
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime
On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600): I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/? I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e URL) contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other URL's". I.E. I used Synaptic to install bibletime -- bible study tool for Qt AND bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the handbook files were displayed. When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see handbook files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against Debian 10. IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator error. It seems to be a QT app, which may need qt components you don't have installed, but are not "required". The following is from an installation with TDE, no Gnome, no Cinnamon, no XFCE, no KDE, but does have a minimal amount of QT5 installed. [snip installation report]
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : [SNIP] apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a handbook and howto subdirectory in /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my run of apt-file?
BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, [snip] 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 from scratch. I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and .../howto . F1 and F2 works there.] How do I correctly file a bug report? TIA
Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"
I have two machines using MATE desktop: A. Primary is Debian 9.13 B. Secondary machine which will become current 1. Debian 10.7 2. Debian 11.1 Chronology I looked through the repository for Bible study tools with KJV with Strong's Concordance and GUI. Multiple commentaries preferred. "Bible Time" and "Xiphos" seemed to give appropriate range of options and had the same choice of reference works. I installed both on my Primary machine. The Xiphos had more desirable features but was unusable as it defaulted to always displaying the Strong's number for everything. I found the Debian 11 repository had a more recent version. I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, I was not able to download Bible and reference works from the SWORD library. I resorted to using Synaptic to download them from the Debian repository. Both programs were able to display selected passages. Due to larger variety of material I would prefer to use the SWORD library. 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Two sets of questions. Is anyone using these on Debian 11? Is there an appropriate USER oriented list? [I found a SWORD list for Xiphos - but it appears to be developer oriented.] How can I completely purge both from the Debian partition [including code, data, *AND* configuration]. I've never removed a program before ;/ I wish to replicate the steps and order used on the Debian 10 install to distinguish whether there is a code or operator error. TIA
Clarification Re: Customizing Grub menus
On 12/08/2021 06:33 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a machine set aside for experimenting with different configurations of Debian. The default Grub2 menu will display OS(with version) and partition designation in /dev/sdXY format. I give all partitions descriptive labels. I want the Grub menu to display OS and the partition label. I want it to update appropriately after using update-grub. Is there an appropriate tool? TIA Received answers did not seem to answer my question. That suggests a unclear question ;} On my test system partition labels are: /dev/sda7 full-10 /dev/sda9 minimal-11 Default Grub menu after install of buster reads: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) (on /dev/sda7) I wish it to read: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) (full-10) After installing bullseye and running update-grub without any manual intervention, I wish appropriate lines to read: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) (full-10) Debian GNU/Linux 10 (bullseye) (minimal-11) Possible? If so, how? TIA
Re: Customizing Grub menus
*note* No need for CC: I'm subscribed On 12/08/2021 08:29 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I have a machine set aside for experimenting with different configurations of Debian. The default Grub2 menu will display OS(with version) and partition designation in /dev/sdXY format. I give all partitions descriptive labels. I want the Grub menu to display OS and the partition label. I want it to update appropriately after using update-grub. Is there an appropriate tool? You want to read https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Shell_002dlike-scripting and make changes to files in /etc/grub.d/ which will then be applied via update-grub -dsr- I see no reference for Grub being able to read a partition's label only its UUID.
Customizing Grub menus
I have a machine set aside for experimenting with different configurations of Debian. The default Grub2 menu will display OS(with version) and partition designation in /dev/sdXY format. I give all partitions descriptive labels. I want the Grub menu to display OS and the partition label. I want it to update appropriately after using update-grub. Is there an appropriate tool? TIA
Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux
On 11/21/2021 06:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [snip] (What is an "if-module", btw ? Google does not give me proposals which look like radio enthusiasm.) I read that as "Intermediate frequency". q.v. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_frequency
Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux
On 11/21/2021 05:54 AM, Hans wrote: [snip] I can send the app wherever you want to (attaching it here, does not allow to send the mail strangely), so everyone can take a look. This app is available in the web, but a little bit hidden, if you do not know its exactly name. And the name of this mysteriously hidden app might be ???
Re: Disk partitioning phase of installation
On 10/16/2021 08:13 AM, Brian wrote:
On Sat 16 Oct 2021 at 07:42:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 10/16/2021 07:19 AM, Brian wrote:
On Sat 16 Oct 2021 at 06:27:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 10/16/2021 06:01 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Richard Owlett writes:
I routinely place /home on its own partition.
Its structure resembles:
/home/richard
├── Desktop
├── Documents
├── Downloads
├── Notebooks
└── Pictures
My questions:
1. Can I have /home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition?
Yes. The only thing to consider is that they are mounted in correct
order i.e. first /home/richard then /home/richard/Downloads.
I think my question was misunderstood.
Perhaps I should have repeated "Disk partitioning phase of installation" in
the body of my message.
Rephrasing my question:
Can I, during the manual disk partitioning phase, specify that
/home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition *AND* the rest of
/home/richard/ be on its own partition?
A moun point can be *manually* specified for any partition.
Alternatively, you could mount them at independent times by using a
mountpoint outside of /home/richard (e.g. /media/richards_downloads) and
having `Downloads` as a symbolic link pointing to the mountpoint of
choice (`ln -s /media/richards_downloads Downloads`).
2. How could I have found the answer?
By trying it out :)
*BAD* answer.
Obviously I was asking how could I have found the appropriate documentation.
0/10? I reckon my answer deserves 10/10 :). Look at what d-i offers
in its partitioning menu.
Not a 10/10 as it was the d-i menu that prompted the question ;{
You're a hard man! :)
WHO? ME? *ROFL*
It may have been hardware rather than software, but >30 years in the
trenches of tech support (including QA/QC and field inspection) can be
termed "educational" ;}
Is there documentation for the details of that sub-menu?
Not that I have seen. The Installation Guide would be the first place
to look for it.
Having written documentation on occasion, I approve of reading same.
By three references to placing /var/mail on its own partition
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ hints what I want can be
safe. But it gives no limits. That's *DANGEROUS*!
Re: Disk partitioning phase of installation
On 10/16/2021 07:19 AM, Brian wrote:
On Sat 16 Oct 2021 at 06:27:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 10/16/2021 06:01 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Richard Owlett writes:
I routinely place /home on its own partition.
Its structure resembles:
/home/richard
├── Desktop
├── Documents
├── Downloads
├── Notebooks
└── Pictures
My questions:
1. Can I have /home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition?
Yes. The only thing to consider is that they are mounted in correct
order i.e. first /home/richard then /home/richard/Downloads.
I think my question was misunderstood.
Perhaps I should have repeated "Disk partitioning phase of installation" in
the body of my message.
Rephrasing my question:
Can I, during the manual disk partitioning phase, specify that
/home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition *AND* the rest of
/home/richard/ be on its own partition?
A moun point can be *manually* specified for any partition.
Alternatively, you could mount them at independent times by using a
mountpoint outside of /home/richard (e.g. /media/richards_downloads) and
having `Downloads` as a symbolic link pointing to the mountpoint of
choice (`ln -s /media/richards_downloads Downloads`).
2. How could I have found the answer?
By trying it out :)
*BAD* answer.
Obviously I was asking how could I have found the appropriate documentation.
0/10? I reckon my answer deserves 10/10 :). Look at what d-i offers
in its partitioning menu.
Not a 10/10 as it was the d-i menu that prompted the question ;{
Is there documentation for the details of that sub-menu?
Re: Disk partitioning phase of installation
On 10/16/2021 06:01 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: Richard Owlett writes: I routinely place /home on its own partition. Its structure resembles: /home/richard ├── Desktop ├── Documents ├── Downloads ├── Notebooks └── Pictures My questions: 1. Can I have /home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition? Yes. The only thing to consider is that they are mounted in correct order i.e. first /home/richard then /home/richard/Downloads. I think my question was misunderstood. Perhaps I should have repeated "Disk partitioning phase of installation" in the body of my message. Rephrasing my question: Can I, during the manual disk partitioning phase, specify that /home/richard/Downloads be on its own partition *AND* the rest of /home/richard/ be on its own partition? Alternatively, you could mount them at independent times by using a mountpoint outside of /home/richard (e.g. /media/richards_downloads) and having `Downloads` as a symbolic link pointing to the mountpoint of choice (`ln -s /media/richards_downloads Downloads`). 2. How could I have found the answer? By trying it out :) *BAD* answer. Obviously I was asking how could I have found the appropriate documentation.
Disk partitioning phase of installation
I routinely place /home on its own partition. Its structure resembles: /home/richard ├── Desktop ├── Documents ├── Downloads ├── Notebooks └── Pictures My questions: 1. Can I have /home/richard/Downloads bed on its own partition? 2. How could I have found the answer? TIA
[RESOLVED] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 10:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. As of Debian 11.1 netinst.iso my Lenovo T510 operates as desired. The Dell E6410 does not. As the Lenovo has the larger screen I'm not going to spend further significant time on the Dell. Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as /dev/sdc . Is there any workaround? TIA
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/14/2021 09:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/14/2021 09:26 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using DHCP. So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what my phone does and what I tested. [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso That version did an install without any problems. I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at Debian 10.7 or earlier. Hi Richard, There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater I was just setting up to download Debian 10.1 DVD1 to see if some other a annoyances have been resolved. Things worked as desired on a Lenovo Thinkpad T510 BUT NOT ON a Dell Latitude E6410 I have some trouble shooting in my future ;/
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
(*ROFL*) * 6.23 * 10**23 On 10/14/2021 11:34 AM, Curt wrote: On 2021-10-14, Richard Owlett wrote: Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: 1. Computer power off. 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. I'm under the impression the Linkzone is intended principally to be used as a wifi hotpot. By whom? ?? Engineering or marketing? Hint: Marketing ASSUMES a one person household requires a dozen independent computers connected to web at *ALL* times. Have you tried connecting to the thing wirelessly rather than tethering your computer to the device via USB? When purchasing original device that was pretty much the spec I gave the salesperson [who horrors of horrors was technically competent] I'm relatively certain this method must violate some constraint enumerated earlier (there always seems to be one), but you can't have everything. you lose *GRIN*
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/14/2021 09:26 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using DHCP. So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what my phone does and what I tested. [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso That version did an install without any problems. I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at Debian 10.7 or earlier. Hi Richard, There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater I was just setting up to download Debian 10.1 DVD1 to see if some other a annoyances have been resolved.
[SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using DHCP. So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what my phone does and what I tested. [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso That version did an install without any problems. I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at Debian 10.7 or earlier.
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/14/2021 01:54 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 13 oct 21, 13:18:07, Richard Owlett wrote: What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access. This is to be expected if the device presents itself as a storage device and your computer is configured to try booting from USB first. Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: 1. Computer power off. 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. 3. Independent of whether or not the Linkzone is plugged into the computer, turning on computer power results in Grub menu appearing. 4. With the Linkzone plugged in, select a Grub menu entry. 5. "reset high-speed usb device number 3 using ehci-pci" is displayed in an infinite loop until Linkzone is unplugged. 6. Debian then comes up normally. 7. Internet available as soon as Linkzone is connected. On the final install the switching between storage and modem mode is done by the usb-modeswitch package. For many devices this is just a simple 'eject' command, others may need something more convoluted. Does that consistent with what I just described? In any case, you might be able to replicate the switch during the install, assuming d-i doesn't already do this. How? *or* Is there another question to be asked? Kind regards, Andrei
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 02:06 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 13:59:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
The usual place - kernel documentation.
Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
No such file on my system.
Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst"
gives hits for either term :{
Don't trust the extension, and use apt-file:
$ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
linux-doc-4.19:
/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.19/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
$
(buster)
Cheers,
David.
I'm in over my head. I get:
richard@defaultinstall:~$
richard@defaultinstall:~$ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
linux-doc-4.9:
/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
richard@defaultinstall:~$
What is it trying to tell me? The apt-file manpage leaves confused.
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
The usual place - kernel documentation.
Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
Reco
No such file on my system.
Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst" gives
hits for either term :{
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 12:35 PM, Tixy wrote: On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 17:09 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree Firmware iso is what I would suggest. I suspect firmware isn't an issue. The device probably works as CDC Ethernet (don't know if installer kernel has the cdc_ether driver), but sounds like the device initially presents itself as a USB mass storage device and needs some way to force it to change modes. I've never heard of "CDC Ethernet" and what I found with a quickie web search wasn't very useful. What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access. Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? I found bits of discussion about it but nothing educational. TIA
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
On 10/13/2021 12:09 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree Firmware iso is what I would suggest. Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as /dev/sdc . Is there any workaround? TIA Is the linkzone recognised at all as a modem? I'm connected to the internet right now with it as I have been since days of Squeeze/Wheezy. Do you have wired connectivity available to you - that's also a way round "stuff" with firmware to at least get a system up and running. All best, Andy Cater
Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso?
It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two choices for internet connectivity: an ethernet device *OR* WiFi However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] The installer is unable to see the internet. Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as /dev/sdc . Is there any workaround? TIA
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/10/2021 05:47 PM, Tom Dial wrote: On 10/10/21 04:14, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: (Omitted) Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps that I can use that as a selling point to move from Windows to Linux. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM in which I would run Debian as a demo. Full disclosure: I have not run WINE for 20 years or more, and assume without argument that it is much improved over what it was then. I run VMs regularly under Linux (using KVM), but the current ones are either Linux or FreeBSD; I haven't done a Windows VM for years. That said, it is not the right solution for the problem you describe. And with due respect to Patrick, I do not think running windows in a (presumably) Linux VM is a good solution either. Description tangled as well being in flux. I will supply them with a Windows machine. For my convenience it will have a VM running Debian. The only use being considered now for WINE is my personal home machines. I have supported my wife's various computers for about 25 years under an oral service agreement providing that I will install software as requested, maintain the OS and installed software regularly, analyze and correct software and hardware problems as necessary, and replace the hardware as appropriate. That, and no more, under threat of Serious Issues. That has brought the suffering of Windows 95, now long in the past, and over time reinforced the validity of the first rule I was given as a novice mainframe system programmer 30 years ago: "We install vanilla." Running an emulator like WINE, or Windows in a Linux (?) VM, would likely lead to operational issues arising from interfaces that are not overly well documented and therefore hard to analyze. Resolution often would have to based on web search results of uncertain accuracy and reliability, and consequent false starts and customer dissatisfaction. Either would cause you excessive work and likely enough bring unhappiness to both you and those you aim to assist. Agreed. I recommend you select, with your users' concurrence, a suitable factory refurbished business-grade laptop[1] from a major manufacturer. I have used HP, but Dell, Lenovo, and maybe others probably have similar programs. Refurbished business laptops are a bit costlier than new consumer laptops with comparable performance, but they also are built to a higher standard of reliability and come with significantly less preloaded crapware. They also (HP experience here) may have useful built in diagnostic tools and support software/firmware maintenance support, and they come with a full new unit warranty; in my experience, any defects are minor and cosmetic. I've already talking to such a local vendor. I've bought several Lenovos from them and have observed how they interact with non-tech customers. Also, IIUC they can provide on customer site service. For the use case you describe, I also recommend a service agreement, if available, that provides pick up and delivery service. The HP ones (presently $137 for three year coverage) are fairly inexpensive. While they are unlikely to be used, I consider them worthwhile unless there is a serious cost constraint). Such equipment will come with preinstalled and configured Windows, and current Microsoft maintenance support is quite good and relatively trouble free. And when problems do arise, Microsoft or manufacturer support is likely to be usable to resolve it; they certainly will be as good as random WWW support for a home-brew OS and software setup. Linux tools are undeniable useful in some cases, but will rarely be necessary for a vanilla or nearly vanilla Windows setup. For those instances where they are, it always is nice to have a bootable CD, DVD, or USB key with Linux and a set of common tools on it. I generally use a recent Debian DVD #1 for this and install any missing tools as necessary once it is booted and running. Having Debian in a VM would be nice, but not a deal breaker. Regards Tom Dial [1] Manufacturers also will offer refurbished business desktop or w
