Re: [OT] Learning PERL
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Andrew Perrin wrote: A standard is Learning Perl (http://www.bookpool.com/.x/h6ph9apwz1/sm/0596001320) Learning Perl is really good. I got through the first seven chapters (2nd edition) and then picked up the -Perl Cookbook- ... it makes a good complement and has loads of great things/examples you can try out. At present I'm sort of alternating between the two, which is fun. GB +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTex editor
LyX On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, ian wrote: Hi all, I would like to know a good TEX editor...any recommendations? ian -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: if you could have just one dead tree book
the new edition of UNIX POWER TOOLS. ... i mean, i assume we're talkin' computer books here, cuz otherwise it'd probably be some kickass star atlas. :) -glenn becker On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Dan Hunt wrote: I am taking care of my big sister's farm here in western Canada while she is visiting her daughter at UC Davis in Davis California. My brother in law phoned and asked me if there was a book I would like from the ucdavis book store. Oh fellow debian-users, if you could have just one dead tree book what would you ask for? If I don't reply to his I will own a big book about red-hat! All I could think of is Rute, but I see Matt Welsh's Running Linux was reccomended. Dan Do not CC Me! I am on the List! Fan - Debian GNU/Linux http://debian.org/ User #280833 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for java
check out jde (now called jdee b/c of copyright reasons) in devel. it's an emacs add-on, so if you don't like/use emacs ... well ... g On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: Hi all Is there any IDE for java (debianized if possible). Which? Where should I point my sources to install it? I'm using woody 3.0r1 TIA and sorry for my english -ejg -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
retreating from evolution to mutt
Hi - I'm strongly considering 'retreating' from Evolution to Mutt as an email tool, not only because I like the zip and elegance of text-only but ... just ... well, I miss Mutt! I'm wondering if it is okay to simply copy the various mbox files from my Evolution folders to my old /home/me/Mail directory, giving them good mnemonic-effective names, of course. Anyone done this? I tried it with one folder and it seems to work okay, but I'd hate to inadvertantly junk anything. Thanks, Glenn Becker +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Computers
Glenn: Are we going to purchase two computers for Kim Wallace and Jim Vanderslice? Steve Yes, and we're mailing them to a debian user in Canada, for some strange reason. Glenn Hey! =I'm= Glenn. Am I getting charged for this? Glenn No-Quotes Becker +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IRC
try irc.openprojects.org channel #debian On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, james leclair wrote: Hello, what server and channel should I join to talk with other debian users? Thanks in advance! James -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which ICQ Client is better?
i've enjoyed using centericq - but i like curses-style interfaces. On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 07:52:30PM +0100, Pontus Edvardsson wrote: What is the best/most useful ICQ client in your opinion? I've checked out gaim, licq kicq2. Is there any better ones, with closer resemblance the original windows client? In my experience GnomeICU tends to have the best support for the protocol versions. I used to regularly use both Licq and GnomeICU (different systems) prior to switching to strictly Jabber. -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]: Sort-of. What's the best way to contribute
Barry - I'm in a similar situation, I guess. I too have been hanging around Sourceforge, but in my case have hooked onto a couple of projects, even if I feel I can't contribute what I want to contribute, yet - in the hope that it will push me where I want to go. In my case, I'm trying to wed my rediscovered interest in astronomy to my desire to push myself in the realm of programming/Linux/Unix. Another thing that has helped has been landing a couple of freelance editing gigs. I've worked on books I probably shouldn't have been working on, but my luck has been good: they've been -really good books- and that has helped push me to get the knowledge I needed to be a good editor. Me, I need to have an 'ulterior motive' to help get me through the stuff that, on it's own, ain't that much fun to learn. That's what spurred me in learning human languages ... I'm hoping it will work with computer languages! Maybe not the best answer, but I didn't want to ignore your post! ;-) Glenn Becker On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, deFreese, Barry wrote: Since my posts usually get ignored we'll see what happens with this one. :-) Since I don't have a great deal of money yet (When I win the lottery I promise to send big checks to Debian and Samba!! :-) ) what is the best way to contribute to the open source community? I've poked around on sourceforge to see if I could lend a hand but many of the projects that I found are probably a little over my head at this juncture. The initiative here is two-fold. One is selfish. I figure by contributing that I can continue to expand my knowledge. The other being that I find the whole open source community fascinating and I would really like to contribute. Unfortunately, at this point I am a newbie so I may be jumping the gun here a little but I like to dive in. I would really like to dive into the programming aspect (specifically in C) but don't have a great deal of C experience either. I have done quite a bit in VB, VBScript, JavaScript, a little RPG, Fortran, Cobol and so forth but not much in the C realm. I also hope it would help me on my road to Linuxdom. We don't run Linux boxes here at work ( though I am trying to set up a HylaFax server on Debian ) so I don't get a great deal of exposure there, and there is only so much to do on a home machine and I don't get much out of reading, I like to lay my hands on things and tear them apart to learn. My apologies for the rambling but any advice would be appreciated!! Thank you, Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dr. Scheme
David, I don't know 'bout this package in particular, but I run a slew of unstable packages on my Woody box and rarely experience difficulties. You can always check the bug reports on the Debian package page. gb On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, David Teague wrote: Hi I need the Dr. Scheme package for my teaching. I run Woody, but notice that the only Dr. Scheme package (the latest, 2.02) is in Unstable. Just how unstable is DrScheme 2.02? Can I safely install it from Sid's package into my Woody, or am I asking for trouble? Should I get the original source or Sid's source and compile? Any words of encouragement or advice? David Teague -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recent leadsmaster spammer
if you could contrive to send him/her an 'infinite fax' (done on a paper fax machine by taping multiple copies into a loop) i for one would be forever in your debt. aleph null-ly glenn On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Mike Dresser wrote: Saaay, what's the point at which I become harassing if I start faxing dumb spammers like the one that just hit debian-bugs? I faxed him a nice STOP SPAMMING YOU STUPID SPAMMER. I should have done it white text on black background though. Mike -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: seti@home
I've used TkSeti some, and it is quite nice. On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Gary Turner wrote: I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding my linbox to the mix. So, the question is what is the appropriate directory to unpack and run this little bippy? How does the graphical mode do? -- gt Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
partition types
OK, I've got a REALLY STUPID question here. :/ I decided recently that I wanted to try out the Linux from Scratch project (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org). In order to do this particular thang one has to create a reasonable sized partition on which to create the installation. Now, when =I= go into my /dev/hda with GNU parted, or fdisk, or what have you, what do I see? That's right, 4 primary partitions: the max you can have. Dumb question is: can I change my root partition to type extended and create two logical partitions (one holding the original root stuff, the other for Linux from Scratch things) within it? Without destroying my beloved Debian system? Or does it just not work that way? I told you it was stupid! See how I trust you fine folks, to parade my ignorance before you like this? :-) Foolishly, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
kstars: problem with libpng
Hi, I've had a problem with incompatible versions of libpng both with Debian (I'm running a mostly-Woody box) and FreeBSD ... under FreeBSD, the problem appears in both KStars and KWord (which barely works at all). Anyhoo, here are the relevant lines of error output from KStars under Debian. The application opens but there are no GUI icons. I am unsure how to remedy it. Has anyone else seen this kind of thing? I've searched high and low online but can't seem to dig up anything. I feel as though I'm either asking one of those stupid questions with an obvious answer, or am lost in something that's never happened to anyone else! :-p libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12 libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.2.1 libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image NB libpng3 1.2.1 is mentioned in the dependencies on the app's page on debian.org ... Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: kstars: problem with libpng
It's known and being fixed, but since it was a KDE-wide problem it's taking a certain amount of time to fix. See the debian-kde archives for the (messy) history. oh, okay - thanks. it was turning into one of those 'am i just losing my mind?' kind o' things, bec. i hadn't turned up anything about it ... apparently the same thing happened with freebsd. i should've check the mailing list archives before asking this, apologies ... g ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Ncurses on PCs
And how can I install Linux and Windows on the same machine (how difficult is it)? Making a dual boot Win and Linux machine isn't too hard. Depends a bit on how much HD space you have. And it may take a bit of tinkering, so making backups is a good idea. I say 'isn't too hard' because I had one at one time, back when I knew even less about Linux than I do now ... and I don't know very much now! So it can't be too hard. Check out the docs on http://www.debian.org. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Error reported from some KDE apps
All, Was wondering if anyone had encountered this before. I get the following error when trying to launch certain KDE applications (spec. kdevelop or quanta): quanta: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkssl.so.2: undefined symbol: polish__7KDialog ... well, that's the quanta version. Any advice on what to do here would be welcome. I'm not sure what a 'relocation error' is. Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: programs not appearing on desktop menu
I too am running testing, and have had this prob in the past and have ignored it ... lately, some of these seem to have been resolved by running update-menus; others ... (like, oddly vim ... a recent development) remain. You can edit the menu files by hand, of course, butcha hafta -find- 'em first. And there are menu-editing packages for some of the WMs - icewm, for example. Glenn Becker On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, joe golden wrote: I am running the testing version of debian and have recently installed povray, zed, circlepack and cooledit among others. None of these recently installed programs appear on my desktop. I can call them from an xterm, but can't get them directly from the desktop as with my other programs. Any ideas?? uname -a Linux ssp10 2.2.18pre21 #1 Sat Nov 18 18:47:15 EST 2000 i686 unknown Many thanks, Joe Golden The Stevens School of Peacham thestevensschoolofpeacham.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: HUGE .xsession-errors file
This happened to me, too. I reported some weird jumps in the % usage reported by df, and subsequently found that this file had mushroomed at some point (the other % were addressed by running apt-get clean). Glenn Becker On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, David Purton wrote: at some point in the last day or so my .xsession-erros fil grew to an enormous size and completely filled up my hard disk (like almost 1GB in size). it seemed to contain binary junk, but I've delete it now (needed to download my mail :) ) what would cause this? cheers dc But, with very few exceptions, it is the composers of the tunes, not the writers of the words, which have made our English hymns famous. The average Englishman will happily sing any words to a good tune. Reginald Frary Don't upset the choir David Purton http://www.chariot.net.au/~dcpurton/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: DBI XML:putting it all together
Also check out the XML and Perl (or maybe it's the other way round) column on http://www.xml.com Glenn Becker On 1 Oct 2001, Jeff Zucker wrote: Vittorio wrote: I'm using perl and the DBI stuff to deal with Oracle databases on a LAN. Now, I need to extract data from XML docs and put them in the databases. DBD::AnyData may do what you want. It allows you to import XML files into an in-memory database and you can easily insert them into any other database from there. I've read the book Learning XML by Erik T.Ray where XSLT, XPATH and XPOINTER are discussed and explained and had a look at CPAN site to find out more on the subject (XML stuff, expat, etc). You'd be better off asking about XML on an XML or general perl list/newsgroup. -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: www.debian.org
I haven't been able to access it this morning. I'm in NYC. Glenn Becker -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Vigor, anyone?
Oh, good. Thank you! Is it headed for testing or unstable? G On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 04:53:13AM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote: I guess because I'm a bit unwell, I wanted to install the joked-up version of vi (with M$ish paperclip assistant) called Vigor. I've been trying to download the unofficial .deb from the riva.ucam.org server linked off the Vigor author's page at red-bean.com, but I can't seem to raise a response ... anyone know of another place I can get this? That used to be my web server - I need to get round to letting Joel know that it's moved. Sorry about that. In the meantime, try http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/debian/, down near the bottom. I do intend to bring that package up to date and upload it to Debian sometime. :) Cheers, -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: About a laptop
I've had some dealings with the folks at http://www.qlitech.com. They seem fairly on the ball and the prices are competitive. Haven't actually -purchased- anything, so that's a soft recommendation, I guess! Glenn Becker On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Lucho Debianero wrote: Im planning to buy a dell inspiron new 8100, anybody knows if there is any problem with woody specially with the internal-pci modem and ethernet? Thanx. PD: any other suggestions about laptops? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
question about hostname FOLLOWUP: EXIM
Hi, Following up on the discussion some days ago about the stuff below. I had my ISP point the static IP to the domain name (or vice-versa). I'm now trying to get exim/fetchmail to work. I suspect I have been picking all the wrong options in eximconfig, because no matter how many times I have gone round, I get the following when I try to run fetchmail: 6 messages (2 seen) for burningclown at burningclown.com (18717 octets). skipping message 1 (2375 octets) not flushed skipping message 2 (2675 octets) not flushed reading message 3 of 6 (4214 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed fetchmail: can't raise the listener; falling back to $sendmail %Tsh: chexmix: command not found fetchmail: SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error fetchmail: socket error while delivering to SMTP host burningclown.com fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) fetchmail: terminated with signal 13 Can anyone diagnose that? My .fetchmailrc file is as follows (password deleted) poll mail.burningclown.com proto POP3 username burningclown password password ... essentially, I'm floundering here, because at base I'm not sure WHAT eximconfig option to choose at the outset. I have a DSL connection but it seems like eximconfig option (2) (Internet site using smarthost) is the closest (since after all I've been getting mail by ssh-ing in to the account), but I don't know what to list as the smarthost ... would it be mail.burningclown.com? I can keep going around eximconfig until it works, but maybe it never will! Would anyone care to shower enlightenment upon me (provided it's available)? :) Thanks for any help, Glenn Who does what in that situation? The DSL provider (Speakeasy) has also provided me with DNS server addresses ... they know nada about the domain I'm hosting with another company (should they?) ... that other hosting company (WestHost) knows nada about my DSL provider ... -Who-, in this scenario, would be the one to do this: configure your DNS zone to have your static IP (say 111.222.111.222) to point to pear.mydomain.com: pear.mydomain.com. IN A 111.222.111.222
Re: question about hostname FOLLOWUP: EXIM
Hi, 'kay, important things first: what is that there furshlugginer HTH? I notice lots o' people usin' it. :) I went onto the #debian channel on openprojects.net IRC and asked around about the exim/fetchmail thing. Was told to add this to my .fetchmailrc file: with mda /usr/bin/procmail -d %T ... and now it works. Or seems to. But I must know: WHY does it work? And is procmail REPLACING exim, or some other part of the quilt? How to sort out sendmail/exim/procmail/fetchmail and the slew of names ... I crave me some clarity. Gotta go read some manpages. G Yeah, nice to know exim is lots fun for others. I have the same set-up as you, static DSL. I'll attach my exim.config/fetchmailrc files as I had to hack this sucker up to get what I wanted: ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Okay: Take a shot of whiskey and type: dkpg --force-remove-reinstreq aime Did this. And got this: dpkg: need an action option Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; Use dselect for user-friendly package management; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*]. Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' ! ... which is weird, yes? Because I GAVE it an action option. I typed it 'zackly. Have no whuskey in th' house. I tried typing some of those 'force' options before posting, too, and got similar messages. That should wipe it clean off. If not, drink more whiskey or other beverage of choice. If I had some Old Bushmills here and didn't have to go to work in the morning, you bet I would. Phew. Why why why. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Arrgh ... on -all- of these I get dpkg: unknown force/refuse option 'reinstreq' wtf? i say, wtf? ... I'm reading the same man pages that are recommending the same things that get called 'unknown' when I try to invoke them. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
In re: Now it's time for surgery. Go find the deb file and run dpkg -c aime-whatever-.deb Just destroy all the files that are listed as being part of the package and judisciously scrub the c OK, I'll try it. BUT and I do mean BUT ... this is Kafka-esque. I don't often run into a problem that seems to get laughed away, pushed under a rug or ignored ... that, it seems to me, is the style of the realm of proprietary software! :) Can no one tell me why the options involving 'reinstreq' just don't seem to ... work on my machine? Why they are seemingly unrecognized when the manual, in fact, prominently lists them? A search on 'reinstreq' on the debian.org website turns up one document ... in Polish. There are several bug reports for [the testing version of] dpkg, but a cursory look doesn't reveal anything relevant. I'm running a custom 2.4.8 kernel, but the only thing I customized was module versioning ... this couldn't have anything to do with the problem, could it? I'm fishin' here, and I'm a vegetarian - so you know I'm desperate! Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
crappy dpkg thing SOLVED. apologies
Thanks, debian-users for putting up with my half-baked squeakings. I finally figured out what I was doing wrong, and have wiped the offending package from my system, unto eternity. Embarrassedly, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, The document in Polish doesn't really contain anything useful regarding your problem. Basically it just reiterates that packages marked reinstall-required cannot be handled by dpkg unless you use --force-reinstreq or whatever. Dead end there :D Wow. Thanks for checking that out! Still, my basic query seems to be being batted around like a bad joke, or ignored. Can no one advise me on why these options, which are prominently listed in the dpkg manpages, don't seem to work? I -loathe- inching into 'squeaky wheel' territory, since my experience is that the squeakiest people are sometimes (I -didn't- say often or always so no one accuse me o' that!) the most clueless. I guess I need someone to tell me whether I am a) asking a stupid question, or b) asking a question which has no answer. I'd sure like to know. And if (a), why is it stupid? Thanks - NOTE: if this is A REALLY STUPID QUESTION and ergo a waste of bandwidth, please flame me directly. :) Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, I recall posting a few direct suggestions that I don't believe were responded to. These issues can be difficult to resolve. List traffic's also been high the past couple of days, and I've been thinning out mail significantly. Yes. I succumbed to the desperation that these things sometimes engender in me. As it turned out I benefited (!) from the distraction of the first day at a new job, came home and, !refreshed from a day's work, solved the problem. Have you looked into the suggestions that I'd made regarding postinstallation scripts? See the embarrassed plea for forgiveness I posted at the end of the matter. A few days ago I was heaping praise upon this community for being a fount of facts. This list does fairly rock: even I, though, fall prey to the desire for instant clarification, instant gratification, instant illumination. We learn. And as I've said before (here, months ago?), the Linux realm -promotes- learning, which is one of the great things about it ... and as Ari S. Totle once said to learn gives the liveliest pleasure. Best, G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
OT: Professional Organizations
Hi, all - I've considered joining USENIX for some time now but would be interested in knowing what others think of the benefits of such membership(s). ... and there are -other- orgs around, too, like ACM. Thoughts? Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, As has happened sometimes in the past, I've got a package that seems to be in trouble, and I can't figure out what to do with it ... since it never -really- seems to get all the way installed. I'd like to just do away with it entirely. The package in question is the MUD server aime. Here is what I'm currently getting back from apt-get dist-upgrade: Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... The following packages have been kept back cygnus-stylesheets filters scilab 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 614kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main aime 0.59-3 [614kB] Fetched 614kB in 10s (59.3kB/s) (Reading database ... 142823 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace aime 0.59-2 (using .../archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb) ... Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... Stopping MUD Server: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Starting MUD Server: /etc/init.d/aime: line 68: 11304 File size limit exceededstart-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON -- -q dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 153 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/aime_0.59-3_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Trying to apt-get remove does not help; I downloaded the pkg to another place and tried to dpkg -i from there and that didn't work either. Is there a fairly straightforward way to just get this damned thing off my system? It's probably a simple matter of configuration, but I've got too much else to futz with now to be futzing with this ... Any advice would be appreciated. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
Hi, Have you tried apt-get --purge remove program name Just did this. I got the following Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... The following packages will be REMOVED: aime* 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 2408kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] dpkg: error processing aime (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: aime E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ... how do I reinstall the thing? Is 'reinstallation' distinct from plain installation? I tried downloading the .deb directly and dpkg -i installing it ... no go. I want this freakin' thing off my machine. Is there a way to effect that? Thanks, G
Re: package in a bad way - what to do
dpkg -r someprogram and let us know your results. Here's what came back: dpkg: error processing aime (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: aime ... essentially the same thing. :( maybe i used dselect? I don't remember. Try everything. I tried dselect as well. Nada. I keep thinking, hey, this is a MUD server thang, it can't have fingers in too many of the system pies (can it?), isn't there a way just to rip it out piece by piece, by hand? But I recall being here before. ... it's making me feel stupid. I hate that. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: question about hostname
All, Thanks for the responses/discussions on this topic. I'm gonna secure myself copies both of the O'Reilly TCP/IP book and the DNS/BIND book and cross my fingers that they'll lift the fog for me. In the meantime: I -think- I'm a trifle befuddled by my own situation, where I have a DSL provider who provides me with 2 numeric IP addresses, plus a hosting company that is hosting my domain name. Who does what in that situation? The DSL provider (Speakeasy) has also provided me with DNS server addresses ... they know nada about the domain I'm hosting with another company (should they?) ... that other hosting company (WestHost) knows nada about my DSL provider ... -Who-, in this scenario, would be the one to do this: configure your DNS zone to have your static IP (say 111.222.111.222) to point to pear.mydomain.com: pear.mydomain.com. IN A 111.222.111.222 -?- ... have I essentially muddied the situation by having a DSL provider and a separate host-er? Thanks, hope this thread isn't becoming tiresome. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: question about hostname
gushOnce again this list proves a treasure trove. ::This:: is one of the reasons working with this stuff is so much damned fun - the FREE EXCHANGE OF INFO! Thanks all!!/gush -gb -- snip -- On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jakob B. Jensen wrote: There is a big DNS server (plus 12 mirrors) on the Internet which lists the servers serving every .com domain (this is the lines of text you pay for when you buy a domain name): -- snip --
Art of Assembly stuff / dosemu
Hi, This is a long shot, I suppose, but I was wondering whether anyone had gotten the software associated with Randall Hyde's online Art of Assembly Language Programming to run under dosemu? Maybe I don't really -need- to do that? :) I haven't gotten far enough to know whether it's really necessary. Can I work through Hyde's stuff (which I've heard is really good) w/o access to a DOS system? Just wondering, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
strange leaps in df % reported
Hi, I'm seeing odd leaps in the Use% reported by df. The value leapt from 56% to 59% last night, and from 59% to 62% just a few moments ago. 3% of 15gb (which is half my total space) seems like a lot o' space to spontaneously be taken up ... I seem to recall reading at some point on the list of warez doodz being able to use one's space for storage. I wonder where I would look to see whether that's happening ... I haven't downloaded any monsters lately. I am also wondering in general about system 'cleaning' - I took a quick look at the 'cruft' package but it seemed to have a tough time picking out real cruft. NB: I know I need to get better apprised of security issues, but that's one of many things I'm trying to get better at :). Any advice would be appreciated. I'll RTFM if someone will tell me where it is (a FM on this specific subject would be great). Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
question about hostname
All, I'm a bit embarrassed to be asking this question (more properly question-series), since I've been enjoying Linux since late '98 and ya'd think I'd know the answer to this by now ... however ... I'm wondering about hostname(s). What is -affected- by the name one chooses to give one's box? The contents of my /etc/hostname file is simply the string debian. I've noticed that when firing up certain apps (Netscape for one), I briefly see a host not known message, but the application then seems to go ahead and work anyway. I'm asking specifically, I guess, because I don't understand networking very well, and am sure I'm doing many things wrong. I'm on a DSL connection with a static IP. I purchased a domain name recently and normally check my email by ssh-ing into that account and firing up Pine. If say I rename my machine (implicit therein is the question should I ...?) to soandso.mydomain.com ... is that, uh, a -valid- thing to do? Is it the -better- thing to do? Or should the hostname of my DSL-connected box remain a single, that is undotted name (apparently something other than debian)? I have to admit that the point in setup where I'm asked to in essence name the machine has always been something I've bluffed through: the mere fact that I -own- the domain mydomain.com doesn't in itself mean I should name this box as if it were a subset of that domain ... or does it? After all, it (the box) seems to work -okay- ... I just get messages sometimes that indicate to me that things aren't set up quite right. For instance, when I try to run eximconfig, I get this: hostname: Unknown host hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 I'm guessing it's because of the sloppy naming. I'd like to set up my machine to directly receive mail. Is there more here that I am not addressing? Apologies for the question snowstorm and thanks in advance for any help. Thx, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: strange leaps in df % reported RESOLVED
I'd look around with du (du |less etc) from the root directory to see where these large jumps in disk usage are occuring. Wander in and take a look at anything that looks suspicious. Also, if you don't run apt-get clean it just keeps the debs for you. If you jumped to testing or unstable lately that could be the source of the files. --mike Thanks for these. apt-get clean solved better 3% of the 'problem.' Another few % I sorta tripped on while looking for something else: turns out there was a giant file .xsession-errors that had been generated. Emacs wouldn't even open it - it was too big! I blew it away and I'm back down to 53%. Whew. ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: question about hostname
It does. Fantastic. Thanks. That is, there's lots for me to look up/at and understand more fully. This, however, is a framework ... Cool beans! Glenn On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Martin F Krafft wrote: your hostname should really only be a single name without a dot since it's the *name* of your computer. however, that does not prevent you from fitting it into the big scheme of mydomain.com. let's say that you named your machine pear, then /etc/hostname would read just pear, your /etc/hosts file would be cat EOF /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost pear EOF your /etc/resolv.conf file would be cat EOF /etc/resolv.conf domain mydomain.com search mydomain.com nameserver 1.2.3.4 # replace with nameserver address 1 nameserver 5.6.7.8 # replace with nameserver address 2 nameserver 3.5.7.9 # replace with nameserver address 3 nameserver 2.4.6.8 # replace with nameserver address 4 EOF and you'd configure your DNS zone to have your static IP (say 111.222.111.222) to point to pear.mydomain.com: pear.mydomain.com. IN A 111.222.111.222 now your machine would happily interact with anything else, being known as pear to console users and users on machines that belong to mydomain.com. from the outside, it would be pear.mydomain.com. i hope this answered your question... martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: question about hostname
Hi, A couple of questions, subsequently ... your /etc/resolv.conf file would be cat EOF /etc/resolv.conf domain mydomain.com search mydomain.com nameserver 1.2.3.4 # replace with nameserver address 1 nameserver 5.6.7.8 # replace with nameserver address 2 nameserver 3.5.7.9 # replace with nameserver address 3 nameserver 2.4.6.8 # replace with nameserver address 4 EOF This is my current /etc/resolv.conf: search speakeasy.net nameserver 216.231.41.22 nameserver 216.231.41.2 ... speakeasy is my DSL provider. So I would add the line domain burningclown.com ... and the line beginning 'search' should change, too? The DNS servers are speakeasy's, of course. and you'd configure your DNS zone to have your static IP (say 111.222.111.222) to point to pear.mydomain.com: pear.mydomain.com. IN A 111.222.111.222 So I can do this? Or would someone at speakeasy need to do this? or someone at the ISP that hosts burningclown.com (not speakeasy). Whew! Merrily, G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
custom kernel compilation
All, I'm trying to compile what is essentially a custom kernel (2.4.8); however, the only thing I'm -certain- I want to customize is module version support ... I need this to be disabled (I'm working through the 2nd ed. of O'Reilly's Device Drivers book). After prepping to assure that I'm not gonna wind up with an expensive ottoman once I do this, I fired up make menuconfig. To be sure, most of the available options are things about which it can be truly said that I *just don't know* whether I want to enable them or not! But in the sub-menu Loadable Module Support there is an option - on by default - that reads Set version information on all module symbols. I'm guessing that THIS is the puppy I want to set to off, but ... I'm just checking. Can someone confirm? Thank you so much. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: custom kernel compilation THANKS!
Thanks all. After what was probably too long a prep period, I'm successfully running a customized version of 2.4.8. Giant fun! Best, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: question about hostname
that someone who hosts burningclown.com. who are they? and how much do they charge you? because i am pretty sure they won't just add an A record subdomain, at least not at no charge. The hosting company is WestHost: http://www.westhost.com. A great deal. G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Something fishy is going on
Jeez, this has popped up on the list A LOT lately ... check the archives. It's an apparently harmless Gnome Easter Egg. Poor Wanda has come in for a lot of paranoia the last month or so! :) Glenn Becker On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Bill Wohler wrote: A fish just swam across my screen. What the hell is up with that? I kid you not. Here are the current processes. I just updated woody for the first time in a month. Do any of these processes now send up a fish every now and again, or have I been broken into? It looked a lot like /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-fish.png but was pointing to the right (and swam from left to right). PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 1 ?S 0:09 init [2] 2 ?SW 0:00 [keventd] 3 ?SW 1:40 [kswapd] 4 ?SW 0:00 [kreclaimd] 5 ?SW 0:04 [bdflush] 6 ?SW 0:15 [kupdated] 8 ?SW 0:00 [khubd] 136 ?S 0:00 /sbin/portmap 274 ?S 0:13 /sbin/syslogd 277 ?S 0:00 /sbin/klogd 285 ?S 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd 293 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t ps2 314 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd 329 ?S 0:00 lpd Waiting 370 ?S 0:00 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data 376 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/rwhod -b 378 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/rwhod -b 479 ?S 0:01 /usr/sbin/sshd 486 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/X11/xfs -daemon 499 ?SL 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd 501 ?SL 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd 503 ?SL 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd 504 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd 507 ?S 0:01 /usr/sbin/cron 553 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 eth0 568 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-netifup -d /var/run/vmnet-netifup-vmnet1.pid /dev/vmnet1 vmnet1 584 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-dhcpd -cf /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf -lf /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases -pf /var/run/vmnet-dhcpd-vmnet1.pid vmnet1 597 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm 600 tty1 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 601 tty2 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2 602 tty3 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 603 tty4 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4 604 tty5 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5 605 ?S27:13 /usr/bin/X11/X vt7 -deferglyphs 16 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth :0 606 tty6 S 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6 607 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm 618 ?S 0:02 /usr/bin/gnome-session --purge-delay=15000 688 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- /usr/bin/gnome-session --purge-delay=15000 692 ?S 0:04 gnome-smproxy --sm-config-prefix /.gnome-smproxy-xpu7If/ --sm-client-id 11d1e910b09943871450177370015 694 ?S 2:02 enlightenment -smfile /home/wohler/.enlightenment/...e_session-XX -smid 11d1e910b09926165970165750012 -econfdir /home/wohler/.enlightenment -ecachedir /home/wohler/.enlightenment 716 ?S 0:01 gmc --sm-config-prefix /gmc-B5TaG2/ --sm-client-id 11d1e910b09526773010217920009 718 ?S 4:52 esd -nobeeps 724 ?S 0:25 panel --sm-config-prefix /panel.d/default-sVIYjX/ --sm-client-id 11d1e910b09956802520007410006 729 ?S 0:04 jpilot 736 ?S 13:20 emacs 738 ?S 0:10 xwrits 742 ?S 0:07 xfaces 745 ?S 0:00 gnome-name-service 748 ?S 0:03 Eterm --console --name console --exec su - 752 ?S 0:11 Eterm --name gbr 842 pts/5S 0:00 -su 881 ?S 0:12 sendmail: accepting connections 882 pts/7S 0:04 -bash 915 ?S 0:01 mixer_applet --activate-goad-server mixer_applet --goad-fd 10 917 ?S 0:14 gnomexmms --activate-goad-server gnomexmms --goad-fd 10 934 ?S 0:03 asclock_applet --activate-goad-server asclock_applet --goad-fd 14 1655 ?SN 0:37 /usr/sbin/netsaint /etc/netsaint/netsaint.cfg 22854 pts/5S 0:41 emacs 22860 ?S 0:00 /usr/local/lib/emacs/21.0.103/i686-pc-linux-gnu/emacsserver 23828 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/ispell -a -m -B 24227 pts/5S 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/vvstartdictation 24234 pts/5S 0:11 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java -classic -jar speakpad.jar 24272 pts/5S 0:00 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java -classic -jar speakpad.jar 24273 pts/5S 0:00 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java -classic -jar speakpad.jar 24274 pts/5S 0:00 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java -classic -jar speakpad.jar 24275 pts/5S 0:00 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java -classic -jar speakpad.jar 24277
Re: HTML composer ?
highlighting is (or was ... still is in some ways) one of the squirrelinesses re: bluefish. syntax highlighting doesn't seem to be exactly as - you - type but is updated by pressing the F5 key. on my machine this scrolls down the current file eventually returns you to the spot you were at. bluefish is a neat editor package and should be vigorously supported ... on my system there are occasional fluffs re: cursor placement and other oddities - I don't know whether others have experienced same - that have tied me fairly close to Emacs. but i do fire up bluefish from time to time to enjoy the new features. :) On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Andre Berger wrote: * Daniel Toffetti [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-08-21 09:31 +0200: Is there any graphical HTML composer which runs happily on Woody and KDE ? I don't need any advanced features, only lists, performatted paragraphs and the like. I just want to avoid typing the tags... Daniel Do you know bluefish? The potato version seems to be uncapable of syntax higlighting, the woody version might be(?). A. B. andre DOT berger AT web DOT de -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: HTML composer ?
If those are the only features you want, I'm not sure whatcha mean by graphical ... Dreamweaver-ish? I find a combination of Emacs and html-helper-mode does the trick quite nicely for me. Bluefish is a good little HTML editor but has some quirks that keep sending me back to Emacs. Of course there's also Quanta, which looks in some ways like Linux/KDE's answer to all the HomeSite-like editors for Windoze. Glenn On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Daniel Toffetti wrote: Is there any graphical HTML composer which runs happily on Woody and KDE ? I don't need any advanced features, only lists, performatted paragraphs and the like. I just want to avoid typing the tags... Daniel -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
kernel compilation LILO
Hi, Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with someone on the #debian IRC channel re: compiling a custom kernel. He urged me to add the following lines to my /etc/lilo.conf file: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=prev2217 ... and make sure I could boot the system from this choice. It worked fine. Now I am slogging through the documentation on kernel-package, prepping to compile 2.4.8. To make matters short, I guess I'd like to know: given this [working] addition to /etc/lilo.conf, should I be relatively safe to go ahead and futz? Of course I'll keep reading and prep best I can, but experience tells me I usually flub *something* and I'd like to make sure I can get back to trusty my 2.2.17 before going much further. Thanks, G ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
disk usage
Hi, Sort of a vague-y question here ... I'm getting back down into my system after being, uh, -laid off- on Wednesday, so I have time to play. I'm wondering about techniques for system optimization. df reports that I am at 53% usage, which seems really high to me, even given that I recently partitioned the HD in two so that I could have FreeBSD running on my machine as well (which would of course have doubled the value reported by df). There are roughly 15GB on the Debian side of things, which - okay - ain't the biggest space in the world anymore, but should be -plenty.- I didn't think I had enough candy installed to occupy over half that space ... so I'm wondering where crud might have a tendency to build up on a Debian install, how to find it and what the easiest way might be to get rid of it is. The real impetus for this is that I've heard, anyway, that unauthorized users can figure out ways to use one's unused HD space to store their warez, or what have you, and I sure wouldn't like it if that was what was going on here ... Anyhoo, sorry if this is unfocused and thanks in advance for any pointers on housecleaning. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: LaTeX editor
I have -no- experience with TeX but LyX seems like a neat lil' package. Er ... revision ...looking at LyX is the only TeX experience I have ... :) Offered with built-in grain of salt. Glenn On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, GARGIULO Eduardo INGDESI wrote: Hi all. I was reading some messages from TeX fonts and BibTex style threads on this list, and I think perhaps someone can help me to configure an editor to write Tex docs. Currently I'm using raw vim, without any tex feature added! How can I configure vim (or other editor) to easy write TeX docs? --ejg:wq! -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: modem diagnostic?
All, Still can't seem to dial out ... In any case, undo whatever -Running Linux- told you to do (simplest way is to purge and reinstall ppp). Then run pppconfig as root, follow instructions, and try to connect with pon. If you have trouble, run plog and post the output. Here's the meat: I did this. Tried every permutation of PAP, CHAP and CHAT, dialup # with and without area code, and never got beyond this output from plog: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid0 connect script failed Exit. ... am going to contact the ISP today to see if there's any information they can provide. Connect script failed to -me- says that the modem is dialing but that the connection is crapping out because there's something wrong with the configuration. However, just to make the picture weirder, I tried wvdial. The wvdialconf program gave me -this- message: Scanning your serial ports for a modem. ttyS0*1: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- nothing. Port Scan*1: S1 S2 S3 Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial? ... so I began to explore setserial! Here is what setserial gives for /dev/ttyS0: /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 ... wufff. Is there anything wrong here? One program can't detect my modem, but it looks (to my newbie eyes) like the modem is A-OK. Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
modem diagnostic?
Hi, I'm wondering if there is a way to perform a hardware check on my internal modem under Debian. I first started having trouble with it when I was still running Windoze, but suspected it was a crummy cable. Right arond the time I installed Debian I got DSL, so didn't install any dialup capabilities. Now I've moved and won't have DSL for at least a few weeks, and can't seem to connect out. I've installed ppp and pppconfig from my potato CDs, and was following instructions I found in -Running Linux-, 3rd ed., but the best I got was this message: The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address). ... one source of confusion for me is that I have yet to hear a dial tone! That is why I am looking for a simple way to test my modem, if there is one. Thanks in advance for any hints. Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
dialup query
All, Up until a few days ago, I was blessed with a DSL connection. Now, however, I have moved and it is going to take a while to get a connection at my new place. Therefore, I need to reconfigure my system for a regular old dialup connection. I stupidly neglected to do this while I still had DSL, and now am wondering what packages I will need to enable this. At worst I can put them on floppy at work and install that way. ... and I am blanking on the name of the command I should use to configure the system for this type of connectivity. I'll keep checking debian.org and lists, but any pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Starting with XML
I don't know if it has been mentioned but you can also check out the package xae, which is an emacs-based XML IDE, by the same person who wrote jde (an emacs Java IDE). -Glenn On 26 Jun 2001, Ilya Martynov wrote: ER I recommend. ER apt-get install emacs20 ER apt-get install psgml ER Psgml parses XML and gives it color. With a DTD you can find out what ER elements are valid. ER I think there is also a debian-sgml list. You have forgotten apt-get install tdtd :) Without it emacs doesn't provide DTD edition mode. -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
lilo won't display options
Hello everyone, Over the weekend I finally got FreeBSD installed and configured on my box as a dual-boot with Debian testing. I'm having a frustratingly-intermittent problem with LILO, however: sometimes the boot: portion of the LILO message never comes up, and tabbing doesn't bring up the two available choices. The end result is that Debian boots up by default, which isn't a problem unless what I wanted was FreeBSD! :-) Has anyone seen this before? The sometimes yes, sometimes no quality of the problem disturbs me ... Thanks in advance, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Best WM for slow machine?
uwm ('ultimate window manager') is very interesting. not much to look at,
but really really neat and different.
did i just type 'neat'?
glenn becker
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Daniel Hoffman
wrote:
The list so far:
BlackBox
IceWM
fvwm2
fvwm95
sawfish
XFce
PWM
Thanks for the great (and very quick) response so far--any others i should
add to my shopping list?
__
Daniel Hoffman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Voice come from cow on wall.
If you find a solution and become attached to it, the solution may become
your next problem.
©2001
- Original Message -
From: ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Best WM for slow machine?
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 07:45:31PM -0400, Daniel Hoffman wrote:
I've got an older Pentium 166 with 16 megs of RAM that I want to put
Debian
on. I already tried once, and put KDE on it, but that was very slw
and
unresponsive. What's your favorite lightweight (but still fully
functional!)
window manager? FVWM? Enlightenment? Windowmaker?
I would recommend PWM -
http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/pwm/
kent
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Re: Debian and FreeBSD - RESOLVED
Thanks to -ALL- who offered help with this problem. I successfully used a bootdisk of GNU parted to resize my /dev/hda3 to make room for FreeBSD, then created a /dev/hda4. I re-ran lilo as parted suggested, rebooted, then used fdisk to change the type on /dev/hda4 to BSD/386. It all went without a hitch. All my data is intact, etc, etc. and I'm ready to install FreeBSD. Fun! Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
resizing a partition with GNU parted
Hi, I'm trying to resize my root Linux partition to make room for a FreeBSD installation. Unfortunately, the partition I want to resize (/dev/hda3) is the one where parted is installed -- when I run parted and try to resize /dev/hda3, I get a warning telling me that the partition is in use. Is this warning safe to ignore? I'm real doubtful. The software gives one the choice of ignoring it, but ... I've found info on the GNU site re: creating a boot disk of parted. But it sounds pretty fearsome (esp. the step where you have to just go looking for rescue disks that match your hardware) ... so I was wondering whether anyone knows of an easier way to get this done. Basically I'd like to split /dev/hda3 in half to create a /dev/hda4 that I'll turn into the correct fs type with fdisk. I guess I could go for Partition Magic ... Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Debian and FreeBSD
All, This is a return to an oldie I started some time ago. Now I have FreeBSD on hand, I'd like to install it 'next to' Linux. There's a FreeBSD + Linux HOWTO, and it answers some questions, but: I'm exploring GNU parted for partition resizing of my 30G hard drive. I can it seems resize my current /dev/hda3 partition (my main Linux partition) and create a new /dev/hda4 partition to hold FreeBSD, however parted doesn't -seem- to be able to create partitions of type BSD/386, which is what is needed for FreeBSD. The filesystem types which parted is able to create are: ext2, FAT, hfs, linux-swap, ntfs, reiserfs, hp-ufs, sun-ufs. I have read (in the Linux + FreeBSD mini-HOWTO and elsewhere) that FreeBSD is type UFS (the BSD/386 label being more ... specific? would that be accurate?). But ... which type? And how do I get from one of the UFSs that parted allows me to create to the BSD/386 partition that I need? Am I missing something obvious? Sorry, it's late and I'm tired. Would be interested to hear from anyone who has done this. Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
lilo fstab
All, I'm still trying to find my way through my boot / lilo / lilo vs. grub problems. Have put grub on the backburner for a moment in favor of a step by step effort to understand what's going on. When I attempt to install lilo on my system now, I get the following error: LILO, the LInux LOader, sets up your system to boot Linux directly from your hard disk, without the need for a boot floppy. WARNING! Your /etc/fstab configuration file gives device /dev/hda3 as the root filesystem device. This doesn't look to me like an ordinary block device. Either your fstab is broken and you should fix it, or you are using hardware (such as a RAID array) which this simple configuration program does not handle. You should either repair the situation or hand-roll your own /etc/lilo.conf configuration file; you can then run /usr/sbin/liloconfig again to retry the configuration process. Documentation for LILO can be found in /usr/share/doc/lilo/. My question is, what is wrong with the following /etc/fstab file? I ==haven't touched it==, ever. Why is lilo suddenly complaining, and what in the following setup implies that /dev/hda3 is -not- a valid block device? Or is that determination coming from elsewhere? # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda3 / ext2defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda2 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0 0 /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom2 /cdrom2 iso9660 defaults,rw,user,noauto 0 0 Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: lilo fstab
In re: my continued lilo problems ... What does fdisk -l /dev/hda3 say? This: Disk /dev/hda3: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 3527 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System And when I run fdisk on /dev/hda, I get the following: Command (m for help): Command (m for help): Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 3649 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 161489951 83 Linux /dev/hda262 122489982+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 123 3649 28330627+ 83 Linux Command (m for help): Anyone see problems with this? I'm wondering why fdisk -l /dev/hda3 doesn't really ... give any info, to speak of. I will try the suggested lilo.conf. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: lilo fstab: SOLVED
Hola, I ran the suggested /etc/lilo.conf file, ran /sbin/lilo and now all is well. Moving on. Thanks!! Am just not gonna worry about what I must've been doing wrong. :S Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
downloading source code
All, The Debian FAQ suggests the command 'apt-get source pkg' to download source code for a particular package. When I try this, apt-get advises me that I need source lines in my sources.list file. What would be the source line(s), say, for testing? I can't seem to find this info anywhere. Thx, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
ugh. more lilo probs
Hi, This is a sort of followup to the lilo-related problems I was having some days ago. Adding the linear option to my /etc/lilo.conf didn't effect a fix: I still got the cascade of LI down the screen when I tried to boot up. SO: I uninstalled the lilo pkg, dpkg --purged it, and tried to reinstall. ... only to have dpkg complain that my /etc/fstab file, specifically the entry for /dev/hda3, was problematic (I wish I had the output, for the exact wording - something about the fact that /dev/hda3 didn't look like a block device ... I think). For what it's worth, here is that file, which I have never (in my memory) touched: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda3 / ext2defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda2 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0 0 /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom2 /cdrom2 iso9660 defaults,rw,user,noauto 0 0 Finally, I removed lilo again, dpkg --purge 'd it and installed grub. Rebooted. I *still* get the endless cascade of LIs. Where could these be coming from? I will study up on grub -- which seems to require some manual configuring -- but I'm stumped as to why this LI b.s. keeps happening on bootup. I'd really rather not have to tank this system and start fresh. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: ugh. more lilo probs
Hi, I didn't have much luck with lilo on my system either, but grub has worked beautifully for me. Its configuration is really simple, though you will have to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file yourself. The (or A, or The Main) problem is that it -seems- there is still a chunk of LILO, or something that refers to it, on my system somewhere -- because even after removing the lilo pkg, running dpkg --purge on it, and installing grub, I still get a vertical line of LI running all the way down the left hand side of a black screen upon reboot. And as the bottom one is flickering, I can only assume that this LI is being spit out ad infinitum. Why this happens and where it is coming from (where could an LI be coming from if not from some remnant of the package?) is a total mystery. I suppose the boot floppy you have is working since you were able to boot to adjust the config? Always using a floppy is one alternative (though not a particularly nice one). Right now I'm using a CD. I don't like having to do this, especially when I have no clue why I should have to. It's frustrating. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
lilo difficulties
Hi, When I booted up today I got the by-now-famous LI hanging lilo ... I used my rescue disk to get into my system. When I updated, lilo was one of the packages that was upgraded, so I thought ah, perhaps that'll fix it. So I tried powering down and booting back up. This time, I got LIs repeating themselves all the way down the screen, over and over. Here is my lilo.conf file: boot=/dev/hda3 root=/dev/hda3 # This file was created automatically by liloconfig # Automatic creation, will do it every time # run dpkg-reconfigure lilo if you want to change the way this operates install=/boot/boot.b delay=20 map=/boot/map read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=2.2.17 Can anyone see anything wrong with this? Where else should I look troubleshoot? Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: lilo difficulties - ADDENDUM
I should add that I changed the first line to boot=/dev/hda1 as soon as I posted this. But it seems to have changed nothing. Glenn IOn Tue, 22 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, When I booted up today I got the by-now-famous LI hanging lilo ... I used my rescue disk to get into my system. When I updated, lilo was one of the packages that was upgraded, so I thought ah, perhaps that'll fix it. So I tried powering down and booting back up. This time, I got LIs repeating themselves all the way down the screen, over and over. Here is my lilo.conf file: boot=/dev/hda3 root=/dev/hda3 # This file was created automatically by liloconfig # Automatic creation, will do it every time # run dpkg-reconfigure lilo if you want to change the way this operates install=/boot/boot.b delay=20 map=/boot/map read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=2.2.17 Can anyone see anything wrong with this? Where else should I look troubleshoot? Thanks, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++ -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: lilo difficulties - ADDENDUM
Hi, Postfix quoting and trim quotes, please, Glenn. Ya, sorry. I fritzed. No excuse. You have to re-run 'lilo' for changes to take effect. Have you? Sure did. I am still getting the continuously-output LI running down the screen. I'm tempted to go with grub, but would *like* to know what's gone wrong with lilo to make it do this. Glenn ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
testing upgrade stallout
Hi, I ran what proved to be a rather large apt-get dist-upgrade last week, and wound up with some dependency conflicts which I don't know how to get around/rid of. The packages downloaded did not finish installing, and when I try to run apt-get dist-upgrade NOW what I get is the following: Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: php3-pgsql: Depends: libpgsql2.1 (= 7.0.3-3) but it is not installed Depends: php3 (= 3:3.0.18-12) but 3:3.0.18-0potato1 is installed postgresql: Depends: libpgsql2.1 (= 7.1) but it is not installed Depends: libpgsql2.1 but it is not installed postgresql-client: Depends: libpgsql2.1 (= 7.1) but it is not installed Depends: libpgsql2.1 (= 7.1) but it is not installed Unfortunately, running 'apt-get -f install' doesn't seem to fix the problem. I believe another user posted this problem recently; however, I seem to have lost any useful reply to that message, and can't seem to find it in the list archives. Where should I begin getting around this? Thanks for any hints. Best, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
Re: Problem with today's testing upgrade
Was this user's problem ever solved? I can't seem to find an answer, either in my mail folders or in the list archive. Been a nutty week, but I swear somebody answered this. I, too, am having weird testing upgrade problems that sound (if I recall) like the same thing. Thanks. On Wed, 9 May 2001, Kevin Ross wrote: Will creating an empty /etc/postgresql/postmaster.conf file allow the scripts to run correctly? -- Kevin -- ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
weird jump in use reported by df
All, I typed df just out of curiosity to see what my disk usage was up to and was shocked to see that it had almost *tripled* from the last time I checked it (just a few days ago) -- it's gone up from 11% to 27%. I haven't downloaded *that* much new stuff! Could this be a sign someone is making unauthorized use of my system? Or is there something else that could cause such a huge increase? I hardly know where to start looking into this. Any help or pointers would be much appreciated. Best, Glenn Becker ++ http://www.burningclown.com Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All ++
