Re: Testing amd64 netinst LUKS+LVM install broken
I also, just tried the latest download from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/: md5sum debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > e618afbebbbdf9495c74140bc87f2a4b debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso sha256sum debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > a72e2cd87f8bc1af3a6df65a12194c8e043c617fd15f23d545ddab8c55c82e51 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso sha512sum debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > db2ea5d9aecf92768d3904b2101a32b73a140e450335fcbfd4c640247b779c0b30938d50ad13938fb158f1063fdfd6514d1bbf38dd9b059fc5c6ac7b1ff3a50a debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso This shows the issue. All the best, Craig On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 5:51 PM Craig Hesling wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having an issue with the guided partitioner in the Debian testing > amd64 installer. > Specifically, the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" > errors out and emit the following error message: > > partman-lvm: pvcreate: error while loading shared libraries: libaio.so.1: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Is this a known issue? > > *Reproduction:* > > md5sum ~/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > > d80f2f073cdb2db52d9d1dd8e625b04b > /home/craig/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > dd if=/dev/zero of=~/Downloads/test-hda.img bs=1G count=8 > qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom ~/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > -hda ~/Downloads/test-hda.img -m 8G > > https://youtu.be/jJ-oOA2s8Wc > > All the best, > > Craig >
Testing amd64 netinst LUKS+LVM install broken
Hi all, I'm having an issue with the guided partitioner in the Debian testing amd64 installer. Specifically, the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" errors out and emit the following error message: partman-lvm: pvcreate: error while loading shared libraries: libaio.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Is this a known issue? *Reproduction:* md5sum ~/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > d80f2f073cdb2db52d9d1dd8e625b04b /home/craig/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso dd if=/dev/zero of=~/Downloads/test-hda.img bs=1G count=8 qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom ~/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso -hda ~/Downloads/test-hda.img -m 8G https://youtu.be/jJ-oOA2s8Wc All the best, Craig
Re: Package priority puzzlement
I hope the pointer to the matching priorities on the two different repositories was a helpful hint. -- The Wanderer Yes... i suppose that explains the behavior. Except this seems to mean that setting APT::Default-Release "stable" in apt.conf has no effect. Before my previous installation got corrupted, i had an /etc/apt/preferences file where i'd set the priorities for testing above sid above stable. Without that file, though, i don't see what effect the Default-Release is having. So i stuck some appropriate priorities in /etc/apt/preferences (stable above testing above sid) and it now behaves as i expect. *Except*... not when i use aptitude... only apt-get. Using aptitude (which i try to do exclusively) it behaves exactly the same way with or without: Explanation: This is a comment line Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 750 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 850 Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 900 Thanks for getting me past being fixed on thinking that specifying "stable" as the default release should do something. Now to figure out why aptitude seems to ignore this file. Also, yes, i usually use "shortcuts" for all those aptitude commands. And the package has a broken dependency (wrongly, it seems to me), because that's what the 'B' means in the flags output.
Package priority puzzlement
I just installed Bullseye after -- as a long-time Debian user -- having
had my hard drive corrupted by USB devices.
I used to run testing, so i thought i would get there, but first i
wanted to install the apps i wanted, get things working, and then
migrate to testing.
During the install, i also enabled security-updates. In fact, i added
both sid and testing to my sources.list (after booting into new install).
I'm seeing some strange behavior which i cannot figure out when i go to
upgrade or add packages... best demonstrated by the particular cases i
am puzzling over.
First:
cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT::Default-Release "stable";
And there are 9 pre-installed scripts in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that i
don't believe are relevant to any of this.
So, when i do: "aptitude safe-upgrade":
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libbotan-2-18{a} libidn12{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libbotan-2-17{u}
The following packages will be upgraded:
libgs9 libgs9-common libperl5.32 libssh-gcrypt-4 openssl perl perl-base
perl-modules-5.32 thunderbird
9 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.0 MB/57.1 MB of archives. After unpacking 252 kB will
be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
# aptitude why libidn12
i gimp Depends libgs9 (>= 8.61.dfsg.1)
p A libgs9 Depends libidn12 (>= 1.13)
# apt-cache policy libgs9
libgs9:
Installed: 9.53.3~dfsg-7+deb11u1
Candidate: 9.53.3~dfsg-8
Version table:
9.53.3~dfsg-8 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
*** 9.53.3~dfsg-7+deb11u1 500
500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
bullseye-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
9.53.3~dfsg-7+b1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
9.53.3~dfsg-7 990
990 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
# apt-cache policy gimp
gimp:
Installed: 2.10.22-4
Candidate: 2.10.22-4
Version table:
2.10.26-1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
*** 2.10.22-4 990
990 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
# apt-cache show libgs9|egrep 'Version|libidn'
Version: 9.53.3~dfsg-8
Depends: libgs9-common (= 9.53.3~dfsg-8), poppler-data, libc6 (>=
2.29), libcups2 (>= 2.3~b6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), *libidn12* (>= 1.13), libijs-0.35 (>= 0.35), libjbig2dec0
(>= 0.16+20190905), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.6),
libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.0.0), libpaper1, libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libtiff5
(>= 4.0.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0)
Version: 9.53.3~dfsg-7+deb11u1
Depends: libgs9-common (= 9.53.3~dfsg-7+deb11u1), poppler-data, libc6
(>= 2.29), libcups2 (>= 2.3~b6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6),
libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), *libidn11* (>= 1.13), libijs-0.35 (>= 0.35),
libjbig2dec0 (>= 0.16+20190905), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1),
liblcms2-2 (>= 2.6), libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.0.0), libpaper1, libpng16-16
(>= 1.6.2-1), libtiff5 (>= 4.0.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0)
Version: 9.53.3~dfsg-7+b1
Depends: libgs9-common (= 9.53.3~dfsg-7), poppler-data, libc6 (>=
2.29), libcups2 (>= 2.3~b6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), *libidn12* (>= 1.13), libijs-0.35 (>= 0.35), libjbig2dec0
(>= 0.16+20190905), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.6),
libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.0.0), libpaper1, libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libtiff5
(>= 4.0.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0)
Version: 9.53.3~dfsg-7
Depends: libgs9-common (= 9.53.3~dfsg-7), poppler-data, libc6 (>=
2.29), libcups2 (>= 2.3~b6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), *libidn11* (>= 1.13), libijs-0.35 (>= 0.35), libjbig2dec0
(>= 0.16+20190905), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.6),
libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.0.0), libpaper1, libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libtiff5
(>= 4.0.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0)
dpkg -l 'libidn1*'|grep '^i'
ii libidn11:amd64 1.33-3 amd64 GNU Libidn library,
implementation of IETF IDN specifications
So, libidn11 is currently installed as a dependency of libgs9 from the
security source. But it wants to install libidn12, because it's going
to install libgs9 from sid!
The other package it wanted to "upgrade" shows a similar issue:
# why libbotan-2-18
___
aptitude why...
i lxde Suggests libreoffice
p libreoffice Suggests firefox-esr | thunderbird | firefox
p thunderbird Depends libbotan-2-18 (>= 2.18.1+dfsg)
# why libbotan-2-17
___
aptitude why...
iB thunderbird Depends libbotan-2-17 (>= 2.17.3+dfsg)
Why is this broken? I installed thunderbird from testing, it was
broken, reinstalled what had been originally installed, from security...
all broken.
It *works* perfectly fine.
# apt-cache policy thunderbird
thunderbird:
Installed: 1:78.14.0-1~deb11u1
Podcast topic suggestion/tip
Greetings, please consider these resources for discussion as they relate to online privacy concerns. Suggested Resources : https://axcessnews.com/business/tech/online-video-search-and-other-tools-that-maintain-your-privacy_9142/ http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2019/05/01/how-do-you-find-videos-outside-of-youtube/ https://alltopstartups.com/2019/04/29/meet-petey-vid-a-coder-and-his-cat-take-on-video-search/ Thank you, Craig
Podcast topic suggestion/tip
Greetings, please consider these resources for discussion as they relate to online privacy concerns. Suggested Resources : https://axcessnews.com/business/tech/online-video-search-and-other-tools-that-maintain-your-privacy_9142/ http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2019/05/01/how-do-you-find-videos-outside-of-youtube/ https://alltopstartups.com/2019/04/29/meet-petey-vid-a-coder-and-his-cat-take-on-video-search/ Thank you, Craig
I'd like help reporting an anomaly/bug with wifi and NetworkManager under Buster
f: Info - RF chipset 5372 detected [7.683411] usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb [ 241.595520] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Loading firmware file 'rt2870.bin' [ 241.602284] rt2800usb 2-2:1.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rt2870.bin [ 241.602293] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Firmware detected - version: 0.36 = END ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SENT TO BUG LIST = After a day or so, the maintainer of the package firmware-ralink closed the bug report, saying "This has nothing to do with firmware-ralink. Neither the firmware nor the driver cares what the device name is." OK, fine, but how should I now proceed at this point? I'd like to help the community correct what seems to be a problem somewhere in the linux networking system, possibly specific to wifi, but I have NO IDEA what package to mention when filing a new bug report if it wouldn't be firmware-misc-nonfree. Thanks for any advice! -- Craig
Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!
On 14Nov10:1657+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html Debian's own Michael Biebl posted the comment to which Poettering publicly announced this udev roadmap back at the end of May. How could the assurances udev would be stay init-agnostic continue to be proffered in good faith afterwards in discussions leading to voting on issues? Was this post amended by Poettering? -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 14Nov08:1603+0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: Quite frankly, I'm disgusted. A developer with a lot of contributions is chased away by the noise made by a bunch of whiners who can't even be bothered to set up a test server. And because some devs want to placate those whiners, we get interminable political games and good people quitting the project. Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the whole time and fuck off to another distro or to FreeBSD? That comes across as someone who believes in not letting a good crisis go to waste. However, your opinions about this DD's motivations are exceptionally wide of the mark given he said nothing about non-DD influences and did point to changes in the structures and interactions of DDs exclusive of non-DDs. In other words, this is bogus opinion (spin), not factual reporting. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How To Prove Systemd Can|Cannot Be Jessie Default
On 14Oct23:0004-0400, Charles Kroeger wrote: Is that your idea of letting the code speak for itself? The code speaks when its execution reveals a need to run reportbug (or not). When we fail to run reportbug, we muzzle the code and possibly allow that bug to be part of the Jessie release. Hopefully that is nobody's idea of a good approach. Also, hopefully everybody is aware anybody can run reportbug, which simply emails the bug report to the BTS--no registration is necessary and formatting the report is quite painless. If systemd is the disaster many believe it to be, its defects should be manifesting as we test systemd behavior in as many configurations as possible and it should not be trivial to remediate those arising from poor software design. If you want systemd to not be the default, you need to prove to the Release Team it is unworthy, and the only way to do that is to document the defects in the BTS. Is that sufficiently clear? -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How To Prove Systemd Can|Cannot Be Jessie Default
On 14Oct23:2035+0300, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: That's not the point. From the technical point of view, IMO, you are correct but that's not the only view that exists in Debian Project, me thinks. [snip] My choices reg. my use of technology isn't based only on technical grounds, you know. There are legal considerations pertaining to global software redistribution, of course. There are financial considerations beyond Debian's licensing and support fees, to be sure, but those and other categories of non-technical considerations are entirely outside of the Debian organization as I see it--they are user considerations. The Social Contract guides the Debian process but defining what is best for the users can be difficult because most users do not interact with the developers. It is clear from the TC ruling there was considerable concern the change of default init needed to be handled very carefully, a concern almost entirely based upon how the change can adversely affect existing users. Note the Debian team does not force anyone to use Debian but often expends effort to improve Debian from the point of view of some large percentage of the users with a lot of effort invested in providing a distribution that is useful to an unusually wide range of users. Multi-init support is an oft-stated and highly desirable goal for Jessie. Report any software behavior that hinders that as a bug at the earliest opportunity. That's the most likely way to effect the change you seek. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
How To Prove Systemd Can|Cannot Be Jessie Default
There is only one way the default init for Jessie can be changed at this point in time--the Release Team must conclude systemd will have turned out to be a release critical nightmare likely well into the feature freeze. There is only one way for that to happen--lots of open RC bugs having systemd at their core must start piling up as the upstream developers are having problems solving the problems. So everyone should be trying their best to find the bugs to prove systemd is as good|bad as they claim it is. Nobody that cares about Debian wants Jessie to be released with undiscovered serious flaws. Let's use our keyboards to launch test cases in preference to soapbox rhetoric that likely proves nothing. Let's let the code speak for itself for a while. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?
On 14Oct16:1151-0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: It strikes me that there's actually very little that needs to be done. In the short term, the world, including Debian, will continue to support sysvinit scripts - if only because the BSDs aren't going anywhere, I expect autotools will continue to build things with init scripts, logging to syslog, etc. As far as I can tell, the major place that some work may be needed is in the Debian Installer - to make it easier to install a sysvinit based system. I'd recommend someone take a close look at the assimilated packages, especially udev, before this seat-of-the-pants feasiblity study is deemed useful. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-advocacy?
On 14Oct14:0837+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 14/10/2014 8:32 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrei POPESCU writes: Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the subscribers are actually participating in these discussion. 1% participation in any discussion on a list such as this would be very large. Passing a GR to take Debian closed-source and relicense everything under the Microsoft EULA probably wouldn't get 2% to speak up. (No, I'm not proposing that nor do I think that it could happen.) Hahaha M$ EULA I'm sure if they are watching, they'll be laughing their own heads off over the debacle of systemd for Linux (not just for Debian). Yes, of Debian user base, subscribers vs posters, 1% is huge! We aren't talking about a hobby project here -- most users are able to deal with many problems without needing to post to DU list. Many watch and never respond. And that is good since the traffic of just 1% is more than many here can bear. But it is bad because we won't have a clue what the silent majority thinks until they quietly stop using Debian or not. Jessie may need to be widely considered the Vista of Debian releases before a majority of DDs are willing to revisit the init default. The is currently no means to garner meaningful data about Jessie's approval ratings, which likely means the release team will, as usual, just guess what will fly. They've had an enviable run, to be sure. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: There is no choice
On 14Sep21:0851-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Maybe systemd will give gnu/hurd, or minix, or plan 9 a boost. I've been looking at Guix this past week after discovering it almost by accident: I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost half a year now, but since mid-July I've been focused on releasing a cookbook for bringing it up in a virt-manager administered virtual machine, and am closing in on releasing the beta version. The Plan 9 community has been very encouraging about the improvements it offers for getting a proper Plan 9 environment available by a newbie. I said that to mention easily 75% of my effort involves chasing Sid's tailights as the first section is the recipe for establishing a Sid host environment. If you're interested in looking at how virt-manager might help you, visit http://dlc.casita.net/~dlc/vp9cb or if you'd like to look at the current beta, let me know and I'll make it available to you. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...
On 14Sep21:1604+0300, David Baron wrote: And if a boot command init=/lib/sysvinit/init will definitely yield a fallback (have it in my lilo.conf but have not actually needed to tried it), then maybe this can be laid to rest. Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system, so far, so good: # dpkg -S /lib/sysvinit/init sysvinit: /lib/sysvinit/init # dpkg -S /sbin/init sysvinit-core: /sbin/init # cmp /lib/sysvinit/init /sbin/init This only needs to be checked after maintenance involving certain packages. So you see 'init=/sbin/init' is shorter and safe. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...
On 14Sep21:1544+0100, Martin Read wrote: Shorter, but incorrect and unsafe. On Debian jessie and later (and thus, by extension, the current state of Debian sid), /sbin/init means the currently installed default init system. As such, it is not the correct way to set up a fallback configuration intended to unconditionally use sysvinit. I did say it needs to checked after maintenance of certain packages (as part of the due diligence). -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...
On 14Sep21:1618+0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: You didn't accept an upgrade to the new default init system. But you accepted the new sysvinit package. Yes, after systemd broke the system as described in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762146 since I'm trying to be a good Sid user and test new defaults, backing them out when necessary to get the platform functioning again. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...
On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote: Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any bugs in qemu or kvm, but we do have quite a difference in our experience. You probably missed the last paragraph of the report--it broke my non-vm Sid first--I duplicated the failure in the vm with the bare minimum of software. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...
On 14Sep21:2227+0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 16:29:53 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote: Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any bugs in qemu or kvm, but we do have quite a difference in our experience. You probably missed the last paragraph of the report--it broke my non-vm Sid first--I duplicated the failure in the vm with the bare minimum of software. No, I didn't miss it. Just as you didn't miss the observation that your experience is not repeatable here. Correct, I did not. What does that have to do with qemu or kvm when the initial manifestation was in the non-virtual Sid on my box? -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 14Sep18:0636+0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters (spammers) is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. That given, can someone explain what's the use in those debates in which your decision making power it's less than a pigeon shit on a coat in the middle of a storm? Kind regards Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? You just dissed Linus Tolvalds among many, many others, without whom you wouldn't have anything to package. I humbly submit you need to search your conscience if you can find it. Kind regards -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 14Sep18:1449+0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:06:21AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: David L. Craig writes: Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. The grandparent poster isn't a DD. That is good to learn. Ironically, I have been recovering from some strange Sid upgrade issues involving systemd for past half day--I'm still uncertain what went south, but I seem to be back with /sbin/init for now. Unfortunately, Sid seems to break my toys at the worst times. Sigh... -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 14Sep18:1301-0400, David L. Craig wrote: Ironically, I have been recovering from some strange Sid upgrade issues involving systemd for past half day--I'm still uncertain what went south, but I seem to be back with /sbin/init for now. Unfortunately, Sid seems to break my toys at the worst times. Sigh... Opened 762146 about this after repeating it in a vm installed from the beta D-I netinstl without network mirror for a minimal dist-upgrade to Sid, in case anyone is interested. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let's have a vote!
On 14Sep16:1203+0100, Martin Read wrote: Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an Official Debian User. As such, a vote by the users can, *at best*, be a vaguely indicative straw poll of those bona fide users who feel strongly enough about matters to participate in the first place; at worst, it will be a magnet for trolls, astroturfers, shills, and other such reprobates. The obvious question this leads to is, Would some registration facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value to Debian? I'm thinking popularity-contest on steriods, a means for DDs to ask the users what they think, and maybe why, in a one-person, one-confirmed vote approach. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let's have a vote!
On 14Sep17:0355+1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:20:04AM -0400, David L. Craig wrote: The obvious question this leads to is, Would some registration facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value to Debian? I'm thinking popularity-contest on steriods, a means for DDs to ask the users what they think, and maybe why, in a one-person, one-confirmed vote approach. That would be a complete waste of time. Either front up and do it yourself or submit a wishlist bug for a feature. This is about DDs pulling from the user base, not the user base pushing to the DDs. If the DDs couldn't care less about being able to get qualified input from the user base at large, well, at the very least, that datum is useful information to DDs that were unaware of that dynamic, as well as to the user base itself. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Announcing The Virtual Plan 9 Server Cookbook
This is the publication I wished I had had several months ago, so I decided to write it. With hundreds of screen shots and a few choice scripts (the main one based on maht's make_cpuauth contribution to Plan 9), it walks a UNIX sysadmin of modest experience through installing Debian Sid onto an x86_64 box capable of full-virtualization and then installing a virtual Bell Labs Plan 9 computer therein and transforming it from a stand-alone non-networked terminal configuration into an Internet-capable cpu/auth server. This alpha version has all the information needed to do this--only the Overview section remains to be written. I would like to get other folks' evaluations of the work so it can be improved. It is released under Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike and GPL2. I really hope it is helpful to a lot of people as time goes by. http://dlc.casita.net/~dlc/vp9cb/index.html -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140827191604.GA18416@dlc-dt
Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:25:21PM -0400, ken wrote: On 03/22/2014 01:29 PM Craig L. wrote: I found folks running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I have any problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested in this. One of the nice things about GNU/Linux is that, if one distro works on a particular machine, then it's at least theoretically possible for all other GNU/Linux distros to work on it. After all, it all comes down to the code. When this wouldn't be true would be when, for example, some distro (and there are a lot of them) used proprietary, non-FOSS code for a driver. From my understanding, Debian in particular shuns non-FOSS software, so such an instance would be problematic. How has the E7440 been working out? Any of the hardware not recognized or not functioning as expected? Hi Ken Pretty good timing on your part, and thanks for cc'ing me in. My ISP seems to have banned me from receiving user list emails. We received the laptops last week and other than a few minor things I have it working. I have not installed a GUI yet, but expect no real issues there. First of all, I tried to install from a debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso image, using uefi install, but network hardware was not detected. However the debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso image worked just fine. But apparently the lilo bootloader won't work with UEFI, and I hate grub, so I had to disable that in the BIOS. Other than that, the only other issue was the wireless card. It is an Intel Centrino WiMax 7260, or something like that. The firmware that was installed did not contain a driver for it, and it requires the non-free iwlwifi driver. The version of the driver that supports this card had to come from jessie, firmware-iwlwifi (0.43). I downloaded that .deb and extracted it, then copied the pertinent driver files to /lib/firmware, and loaded the iwlwifi module using modprobe, but the interface would not show up. Then I had an “aha!” moment and figured the kernel may not support that driver. So I installed the lates 3.14 kernel from backports, rebooted, and there was my interface. I have successfully configured it using wpa_supplicant to connect to our enterprise wireless network. I plan to install the XFCE DE, but I have no qualms that I will get that taken care of. For the most part this laptop will be used by me to access my workstation when I am in meetings and such, so I will probably also make use of the display port output too. That may prove to be a bit more of a challenge. I will report back with any issues, but for now consider no news to be good news. Please cc me in on replies since I no longer receive list mailings. Regards, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140701223511.ga18...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:16:25PM +0200, Stanislav Bocinec wrote: Hello Craig, i'm using Ubuntu 14.04LTS on E7440 (i7, 16GB Ram, SSD disk, intel GPU) without any major issues. Only thing i experienced problem with was that external monitor was sometimes losing signal from display port ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062571). I'm not sure whether it was fixed in Ubuntu or not already, but i haven't experienced this issue previous 3 weeks anymore. Another solution is to use DVI output from docking station. Best Luck, Stano Hi Stan, I just replied to a message previous to yours with more detail, but I have gotten the laptop working just fine. The only thing I've run into is the non-free iwlwifi driver and the version that I needed. Regards, Craig On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:44:41PM -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:37:39 -0400 ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: It's not going in the trash though. It's still good for a headless linux box. Long ago I buffed it up with a big HD and 2G of RAM, the cat5 and 802.11bg wifi still work, as do the two USB ports, DVD r/w. I figure it would still be useful as a print- and scanner server... and/or music server (the sound card is still fine), a sandbox machine, and possibly for some other things. I might spray-paint it, frame it, and hang it on the wall so it looks like art... even as it continues to serve useful purposes. I'd love it if this old piece of crap didn't make it into the landfill until after I do... maybe even *long* after. Linux will never die. It just gets perpetually revised. Another excellent use for it is as an OpenBSD/pf firewall. Much less bulky than a desktop, uses less electricity than an average desktop, and in its normal operation you ssh into it so no keyboard or monitor is needed. I've also used old laptops to monitor power to initiate shutdowns on systems connected to “dumb” ups's. I've gotten no negative responses to my original question, and I found folks running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I have any problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested in this. Thanks all! Craig PS Speaking of old, I just came across my Star OS disks for the Xerox 6085 that I acquired way back in the very early 90s. I never did find a good use for that thing, other than running up the electricity bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140322172950.ga6...@prod1.getsouthern.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140701223602.gb18...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On 14May15:1830+0200, Francesco Ariis wrote: I guess this is going to be a debated topic. Having seen this [1], I do not think there is any way to implement meaningful (for the companies) CDMs without having them in non-free. [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#introduction Here's a good look at Linux and Digital Rights Management from 2009: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Linux-and-Digital-Rights-Management-DRM-746607.html -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140515182035.GA10799@dlc-dt
Re: New Icedove feature?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:53 PM, KS list...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 29/04/14 08:45 PM, Craig Libscomb wrote: Hello, With the latest icedove update, I've noticed that when an email arrives, the account name, and the incoming folder destination in the folder pane are now highlighted in a blue color. I would like to turn this off, as I lived without Can anyone shed light on this for me? Hi Craig, userChrome.css was the file I used to edit when customizing such styles in Firefox. They work the same in Thunderbird. A quick search found this: https://superuser.com/questions/138379/mozilla-thunderbird-new-emails-indication-colour among others. This looks like what I am looking for. I won't have a chance to try this for a few hours yet, but I will let you know if it works. Thanks KS. KS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536073b2.1010...@fastmail.fm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caabzktiked47xripljxja0o1fnduuznbcf-dg_wyx_o1p5b...@mail.gmail.com
New Icedove feature?
Hello, With the latest icedove update, I've noticed that when an email arrives, the account name, and the incoming folder destination in the folder pane are now highlighted in a blue color. I would like to turn this off, as I lived without it just fine before, but I am unable to find any setting that seems to apply, nor anything on the mozilla site that seems to point me in the right direction. Can anyone shed light on this for me? Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAABzkTgNGjrNR6L=0b=R4QrtFkXO3DjuE7EG4AnmCSw9Ten=v...@mail.gmail.com
Not receiving list mail
I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402135454.ga30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2014, Mr Queue wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:54:54 -0500 Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig Indeed does seem to be an issue. Cc'ed the listmaster, perhaps they can clue us in. Unfortunatly clairvoyance is no requirement for being a listmaster. Without some details, like the subscribed mailaddress, the list, maybe a timestamp. We won't be able to say anything. Alex - Debian Listmaster Yes Alex, I agree and I apologize for the dearth of information on my part. My address is craig @ gtek. biz (spaces intentional), and I am only subscribed to the debian-user list. Unfortunately I can only give a broad idea of time. I had sent a message asking for help with a “Hash Sum mismatch problem” on 29 March at 11:10 -0500. I received a reply and replied to it a couple of hours later, at 13:18 -0500. I know I received a few list emails after that, but I wasn't able to provide anything useful to those so I deleted them. This is all on my main system using mutt. On Sunday morning (30 March), after having not received anything since the afternoon before I logged into the email web interface to see if there was anything there. Nothing new, and I cleaned that inbox out as well. This reply is directly to you since you must have CC'd me in to your reply. I have also CC'd the list. I hope that is acceptable. So the best I can tell you, timeframe-wise, is that the last message received would have come in probably early evening CDT, say around midnight GMT. That being said, I see Mr Queue has reported that the mailing list has been listed with senderscore. Hopefully that will get the issue resolved, but I am willing to do anything to help, with one caveat. I am at work right now so I may be a bit slow in responding. Thanks! Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402171333.gb30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:47:20AM -0500, Mr Queue wrote: Unfortunately this mailing list has been listed with senderscore and it would appear the affected users IPS's are utilizing this service. The listmaster has requested to be delisted but it may take some time for them to process the request. https://www.senderscore.org/ Thanks for the update, and CC'ing me in so I got it. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402171615.gc30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Another apt-get update: Hash Sum mismatch
Hello all, I have a local mirror of stable, and last night I added the testing repository and apparently successfully mirrored it. On another system, I have a VM running stable, and another running testing. The stable VM has been around for over a year and makes use of the local mirror with no problems. However when I try to update the packages on the testing VM against it, I get two hash sum mismatch errors: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/192.168.221.1_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/192.168.221.1_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch Things I have tried to resolve this issue: removed /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* on the VM removed all testing Source* on the mirror removed all testing Package* on the mirror re-ran apt-mirror on the server But no luck. 'apt-get update' fails consitently with those messages. However, if I point /etc/apt/sources.list to the same external mirror the local mirror updates from (ftp.us.debian.org), the update succeeds just fine. So, no matter what, 'apt-get update' on the testing VM fails against the local mirror, and I am clueless as to even begin to know how to troubleshoot the problem because I don't know how to get any additional information beyond the error message on screen. Can anyone shed some light on how I can go about resolving the problem? Thanks, Craig /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://192.168.221.1/debian/ testing main deb-src ftp://192.168.221.1/debian/ testing main deb ftp://192.168.221.1/debian-security testing/updates main deb-src ftp://192.168.221.1/debian-security testing/updates main # deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main # deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main # deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main # deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140329161805.ga23...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Another apt-get update: Hash Sum mismatch
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:02:55PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: On another system, I have a VM running stable, and another running testing. The stable VM has been around for over a year and makes use of the local mirror with no problems. However when I try to update the packages on the testing VM against it, I get two hash sum mismatch errors: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/192.168.221.1_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/192.168.221.1_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch I was having a similar problem and 'rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists' fixed it for me. No such luck here. I even removed all of /var/lib/apt for grins but no difference. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140329181825.gb23...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:44:41PM -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:37:39 -0400 ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: It's not going in the trash though. It's still good for a headless linux box. Long ago I buffed it up with a big HD and 2G of RAM, the cat5 and 802.11bg wifi still work, as do the two USB ports, DVD r/w. I figure it would still be useful as a print- and scanner server... and/or music server (the sound card is still fine), a sandbox machine, and possibly for some other things. I might spray-paint it, frame it, and hang it on the wall so it looks like art... even as it continues to serve useful purposes. I'd love it if this old piece of crap didn't make it into the landfill until after I do... maybe even *long* after. Linux will never die. It just gets perpetually revised. Another excellent use for it is as an OpenBSD/pf firewall. Much less bulky than a desktop, uses less electricity than an average desktop, and in its normal operation you ssh into it so no keyboard or monitor is needed. I've also used old laptops to monitor power to initiate shutdowns on systems connected to “dumb” ups's. I've gotten no negative responses to my original question, and I found folks running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I have any problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested in this. Thanks all! Craig PS Speaking of old, I just came across my Star OS disks for the Xerox 6085 that I acquired way back in the very early 90s. I never did find a good use for that thing, other than running up the electricity bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140322172950.ga6...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440
Hello list, Sadly, my 11 year-old Toshiba laptop has become physically unusable*, and I will be receiving a new laptop at work. We are looking at the Dell E7440, and my initial look tells me I will be getting something that should run a pure Debian main installation, but I figured I would ask to be safe. The important specs are: i7-4600U Processor Intel Integrated HD 4400 Graphics Intel Dual Back Wireless-AC 7260 802.11AC Wi-Fi + BT 4.0LE Half Mini Card OR Dell 1506 802.11n Single Band Wi-Fi Half Mini Card OR Dell 1601 WiGig + WLAN + BT Tri-Band Wireless Half Mini Card It comes pre-loaded with Ubuntu which is somewhat encouraging in that at least Linux can run it. I just want to make sure that there are drivers in Debian to support the equipment. This will also come with a built in camera that I may find useful, but is not necessary. It is listed as Light Sensitive Webcam and Noise Cancelling Digital Array Mic, Product Code: NTCAMM, SKU: 325-BBCL. I've not worked with anything this new that isn't a server, but I'm assuming the install would be straight forward too? I ask because of some of the EFI questions I've seen here and there. Anybody got pros or cons to offer? Thanks, Craig *Hinges broken beyond repair. 11 years old with just 512MB of RAM, but still running Wheezy with an XFCE desktop just fine! Case is cracked, battery lasts about ten minutes, touchpad is dead, and the screen has several scuffs. Still, it is a shame to see it go. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140320192832.ga1...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 04:03:36PM -0400, Mike McGinn wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 15:28:32 Craig L. wrote: Hello list, Sadly, my 11 year-old Toshiba laptop has become physically unusable*, and I will be receiving a new laptop at work. We are looking at the Dell E7440, and my initial look tells me I will be getting something that should run a pure Debian main installation, but I figured I would ask to be safe. Thanks, Craig *Hinges broken beyond repair. 11 years old with just 512MB of RAM, but still running Wheezy with an XFCE desktop just fine! Case is cracked, battery lasts about ten minutes, touchpad is dead, and the screen has several scuffs. Still, it is a shame to see it go. When the hinges went on my Toshiba I was able to attach a small piece of metal to the back to hold the screen up. Got another two years out of it. Thanks Mike. Unfortunately this laptop is now a two-piece system, if you know what I mean, and it is just more trouble than it is worth to repair. Time to move on. *sigh* Mike -- Mike McGinn KD2CNU Ex Uno Plurima No electrons were harmed in sending this message, some were inconvenienced. ** Registered Linux User 377849 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201403201603.36721.mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140320224833.ga1...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: ssh login problem from one particular client
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:27:30PM -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 13:47 -0600, Craig L. wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 02:07:08PM -0600, Craig L. wrote: This appears to be a problem with an ASA firewall appliance and is being looked at by our network team and the vendor. I will be happy to provide more information if I ever get it. Sorry to have dropped you out Craig, my next sugestion would have been to configure iptables logging rules and maybe run some packet sniffer such as wireshark. But from afar it is difficult to give blind hints. Please do report your findings, so we can all learn. Thanks André, but no apology needed. I have been pretty much out of the loop on this here. I only have some vague information that the vendor's developers are involved and looking into why the device configuration that worked on the previous equipment seems to cause problems on the newer equipment. In the meantime our network services department has implemented several bypass rules and everything has been working well for all end-users that I have been in touch with. I will provide additional information if I happen to get any, but it looks like I am not likely to. -- André N. Batista GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140219210022.ga25...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: ssh login problem from one particular client
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 02:07:08PM -0600, Craig L. wrote: I have a couple of VMs running on a remote server: one with an older version of Ubuntu, and one running wheezy. I have an ssh tunnel with X forwarding set up so that I can access the machines from my system as localhost (ssh -p 48828 user@localhost and ssh -p 48829 user@localhost). Yesterday I opened Firefox on the Ubuntu box and was dragging the window to move it, when it suddenly disappeared. In my connection terminal the message write failed, broken pipe appeared, and the connection to the remote server was gone. When I tried to reconnect, it took almost 60 seconds for the password prompt to show up. Ever since then this problem occurs from my machine to either of the VMs. I can ssh into the host server and from there ssh into either VM, and I get a password prompt immediately. Today I fired up a VM on my local machine, created the tunnel through the server to one of the remote VMs, and tried to ssh in. The password prompt appeared immediately. In all cases, once I log in everything responds immediately as expected. It is just the login prompt that is a problem. The remote machines all have UseDNS = no set, and everything has worked fine for several months until this problem yesterday. So it looks like the problem is something that has changed on my local machine, but I have no idea what, or where to begin. We have been having intermittent network issues between here and the building that houses the remote server, and that is probably what caused the initial connection loss. But I wouldn't think severing a connection would cause this subsequent problem. Since the server is on a remote VM I don't think I can ssh in and then run the server in the foreground to watch it run, can I? I have checked the logs on both ends, but nothing looks abnormal to me. The only thing I have not tried is rebooting my machine, but that's so windows and probably not necessary. So I've turned to y'all for a clue as to how to troubleshoot this issue. This appears to be a problem with an ASA firewall appliance and is being looked at by our network team and the vendor. I will be happy to provide more information if I ever get it. Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140123200708.ga10...@prod1.getsouthern.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140129194706.ga3...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: how to remove ? directory
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 09:34:00PM +0800, lina wrote: On Tuesday 28,January,2014 09:24 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied d? ? ?? ?? .gvfs a# rm -rf .gvfs rm: cannot remove `.gvfs': Is a directory any advice, I think the .gvfs being introduced long time ago when I tried to mount the iphone. Thanks ahead for your advice, This is normal. GVFS is a userspace filesystem used by GNOME to mount and present external filesystems on USB sticks, CD/DVDs or network. Looking at the .gvfs directory of a user as root looks like the above and cannot be deleted or changed, while anything using GVFS is active. It came when I was trying to mount iphone. Later never tried again. Even the root has no right to change the ownership or rm this directory, I think I will let it be here. Thanks, Most likely you do not have execute permission set on the parent directory. Can you show us the entire output of ls -al? Do not worry, everything is perfectly normal and fine, nothing is broken. Grüße, Sven. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7b1c8.9040...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140128134617.ga24...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: how to remove ? directory
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:00:05PM +0800, lina wrote: On Tuesday 28,January,2014 09:46 PM, Craig L. wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 09:34:00PM +0800, lina wrote: On Tuesday 28,January,2014 09:24 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied d? ? ?? ?? .gvfs a# rm -rf .gvfs rm: cannot remove `.gvfs': Is a directory any advice, I think the .gvfs being introduced long time ago when I tried to mount the iphone. Thanks ahead for your advice, This is normal. GVFS is a userspace filesystem used by GNOME to mount and present external filesystems on USB sticks, CD/DVDs or network. Looking at the .gvfs directory of a user as root looks like the above and cannot be deleted or changed, while anything using GVFS is active. It came when I was trying to mount iphone. Later never tried again. Even the root has no right to change the ownership or rm this directory, I think I will let it be here. Thanks, Most likely you do not have execute permission set on the parent directory. Can you show us the entire output of ls -al? It is so strange, as a user (before I didn't try as user ): dr-x-- 2 lina lina 0 Jan 28 14:44 .gvfs which is under my /home/lina directory. while as a root, it shows: root@debian:/home/lina# ls -lrta ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied total 4504 d? ? ?? ?? .gvfs I think you need to (as user): chmod 755 .gvfs Do not worry, everything is perfectly normal and fine, nothing is broken. Grüße, Sven. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7b1c8.9040...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7b7e5.3040...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140128151213.gb24...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: how to remove ? directory
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 04:23:04PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:00:05PM +0800, lina wrote: It is so strange, as a user (before I didn't try as user ): dr-x-- 2 lina lina 0 Jan 28 14:44 .gvfs which is under my /home/lina directory. while as a root, it shows: root@debian:/home/lina# ls -lrta ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied total 4504 d? ? ?? ?? .gvfs I think you need to (as user): chmod 755 .gvfs No, she does not. Please educate yourself on how FUSE filesystems and gvfs work concerning access from users other than the one owning the FUSE process. Grüße, Sven. The original request was for advice on how to remove the directory as root. I was trying to provide that advice. I did not say this was a good thing. And yes, there is no doubt that I need to learn more about FUSE filesystems. From the little bit that I do know, the situation is, as you said, normal. I probably should have re-iterated that, so thanks for pointing it out. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/badb6sbet...@mids.svenhartge.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140128160853.gc24...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: ssh login problem from one particular client
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:20:09PM -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 14:07 -0600, Craig L. wrote: When I tried to reconnect, it took almost 60 seconds for the password prompt to show up. Ever since then this problem occurs from my machine to either of the VMs. I can ssh into the host server and from there ssh into either VM, and I get a password prompt immediately. Today I fired up a VM on my local machine, created the tunnel through the server to one of the remote VMs, and tried to ssh in. The password prompt appeared immediately. In all cases, once I log in everything responds immediately as expected. It is just the login prompt that is a problem. The remote machines all have UseDNS = no set, and everything has worked fine for several months until this problem yesterday. nmap -sS -P0 -v --traceroute -sV -R -p$PORTNUM $server_ip is what I'd do first. Try this same command from a couple of different networks and see if there is some kind of unusual machine in your way. Maybe change the key + machine used in the reverse connection and test to see if problem persists? Hi Andre, and thanks for the suggestion. As far as I can tell, there is nothing abnormal and this[1] shows a single device between me and the server, possibly the switch in the closet down the hall? I know there is a switch in the server room as well so there should be at least two devices showing up between here and there, unless one has been removed (highly unlikely). I can get that information if need be. I haven't engaged our network team since this is a particular problem involving a single protocol on a single box). I also wouldn't suspect something unusual in the network since the VM on my desktop has no problems, just the desktop itself. FWIW, the network traffic to and from my desktop has been dropping out like crazy today, but my local VM doesn't seem to be experiencing any issues. I am composing this on the remote VM through a connection from the local VM with no problems. This is really strange because any physical problems would obviously affect the local VM just as much as the machine it is running on. -- André N. Batista GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 [1] (names changed to protect privacy) sudo nmap -sS -P0 -v --traceroute -sV -R -p22 server.example.com Starting Nmap 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2014-01-24 07:55 CST NSE: Loaded 17 scripts for scanning. Initiating SYN Stealth Scan at 07:55 Scanning server.example.com (172.22.10.206) [1 port] Discovered open port 22/tcp on 172.22.10.206 Completed SYN Stealth Scan at 07:55, 0.10s elapsed (1 total ports) Initiating Service scan at 07:55 Scanning 1 service on server.example.com (172.22.10.206) Completed Service scan at 07:55, 0.01s elapsed (1 service on 1 host) Initiating Traceroute at 07:55 Completed Traceroute at 07:55, 0.02s elapsed Initiating Parallel DNS resolution of 2 hosts. at 07:55 Completed Parallel DNS resolution of 2 hosts. at 07:55, 0.00s elapsed NSE: Script scanning 172.22.10.206. Nmap scan report for server.example.com (172.22.10.206) Host is up (0.00045s latency). PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 5.3 (protocol 2.0) TRACEROUTE (using port 22/tcp) HOP RTT ADDRESS 1 0.36 ms tez-r-gw.fw.example.com (10.2.16.1) 2 0.49 ms server.example.com (172.22.10.206) Read data files from: /usr/bin/../share/nmap Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ . Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.40 seconds Raw packets sent: 11 (484B) | Rcvd: 11 (496B) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140124143058.ga10...@prod1.getsouthern.com
ssh login problem from one particular client
I have a couple of VMs running on a remote server: one with an older version of Ubuntu, and one running wheezy. I have an ssh tunnel with X forwarding set up so that I can access the machines from my system as localhost (ssh -p 48828 user@localhost and ssh -p 48829 user@localhost). Yesterday I opened Firefox on the Ubuntu box and was dragging the window to move it, when it suddenly disappeared. In my connection terminal the message write failed, broken pipe appeared, and the connection to the remote server was gone. When I tried to reconnect, it took almost 60 seconds for the password prompt to show up. Ever since then this problem occurs from my machine to either of the VMs. I can ssh into the host server and from there ssh into either VM, and I get a password prompt immediately. Today I fired up a VM on my local machine, created the tunnel through the server to one of the remote VMs, and tried to ssh in. The password prompt appeared immediately. In all cases, once I log in everything responds immediately as expected. It is just the login prompt that is a problem. The remote machines all have UseDNS = no set, and everything has worked fine for several months until this problem yesterday. So it looks like the problem is something that has changed on my local machine, but I have no idea what, or where to begin. We have been having intermittent network issues between here and the building that houses the remote server, and that is probably what caused the initial connection loss. But I wouldn't think severing a connection would cause this subsequent problem. Since the server is on a remote VM I don't think I can ssh in and then run the server in the foreground to watch it run, can I? I have checked the logs on both ends, but nothing looks abnormal to me. The only thing I have not tried is rebooting my machine, but that's so windows and probably not necessary. So I've turned to y'all for a clue as to how to troubleshoot this issue. Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140123200708.ga10...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Hearing Sound When Running Debian Live
I am amazed to discover how difficult it is to figure out why programmatically causing a sound to be heard when running a Debian Live XFCE distribution doesn't produce actual sound. I can invoke VLC via Application - Multimedia and hear a .wav as expected but trying to cause that to happen using aplay, paplay, and vlc from a bash script acts like sound is muted. Further, it is unclear from the website how to report usage issues of the .iso releases, which is why I'm starting this thread here. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131206013317.GB10648@dlc-dt
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 13Nov27:1423+1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 27/11/13 13:49, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov26:1545-0500, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov26:1437-0500, Mark Haase wrote: Therefore, a Linux distribution has 2 choices: (1) wait for upstream patches for bugs/vulnerabilities as they are found, or (2) recompile all packages with optimizations disabled. I don't think proposal #2 would get very far... Well, there's always -O1 as opposed to no optimization. BTW, -O1 is the minimum permitted for making gcc or glibc, I forget which. I'm rebuilding glibc 2.18 now with -O1 after it refused -O0, but binutils 2.23.2, gcc 4.8.1, and g++ 4.8.1 are fine with -O0. And what was the result of poptck (STACK) when you tested them? I haven't gotten that far yet, and it may be a while, since I want to verify the internal tests and checks first but expect and dejagnu aren't building using the deoptimized binaries (I'm using LFS 7.4 stable). So perhaps someone way ahead of me with LLVM/CLANG would like to report on this behavior. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127123708.GA14024@dlc-dt
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 13Nov27:2356+1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 27/11/13 23:37, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov27:1423+1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 27/11/13 13:49, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov26:1545-0500, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov26:1437-0500, Mark Haase wrote: Therefore, a Linux distribution has 2 choices: (1) wait for upstream patches for bugs/vulnerabilities as they are found, or (2) recompile all packages with optimizations disabled. I don't think proposal #2 would get very far... Well, there's always -O1 as opposed to no optimization. BTW, -O1 is the minimum permitted for making gcc or glibc, I forget which. I'm rebuilding glibc 2.18 now with -O1 after it refused -O0, but binutils 2.23.2, gcc 4.8.1, and g++ 4.8.1 are fine with -O0. And what was the result of poptck (STACK) when you tested them? I haven't gotten that far yet, and it may be a while, since I want to verify the internal tests and checks first but expect and dejagnu aren't building using the deoptimized binaries (I'm using LFS 7.4 stable). So perhaps someone way ahead of me with LLVM/CLANG would like to report on this behavior. I was hoping you'd do the work for me. (please) :) I'll keep at it but I recommend not holding your breath. Right now I'm rebuilding using '-O1' for CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS to see if expect and dejagnu get happy, but I suspect you're really interested in the -O0 behavior. Is anyone else interested? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5295ebe7.50...@gmail.com -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127131700.GB14024@dlc-dt
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 13Nov26:1437-0500, Mark Haase wrote: Therefore, a Linux distribution has 2 choices: (1) wait for upstream patches for bugs/vulnerabilities as they are found, or (2) recompile all packages with optimizations disabled. I don't think proposal #2 would get very far... Well, there's always -O1 as opposed to no optimization. BTW, -O1 is the minimum permitted for making gcc or glibc, I forget which. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131126204538.GA11480@dlc-dt
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 13Nov26:1545-0500, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Nov26:1437-0500, Mark Haase wrote: Therefore, a Linux distribution has 2 choices: (1) wait for upstream patches for bugs/vulnerabilities as they are found, or (2) recompile all packages with optimizations disabled. I don't think proposal #2 would get very far... Well, there's always -O1 as opposed to no optimization. BTW, -O1 is the minimum permitted for making gcc or glibc, I forget which. I'm rebuilding glibc 2.18 now with -O1 after it refused -O0, but binutils 2.23.2, gcc 4.8.1, and g++ 4.8.1 are fine with -O0. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127024922.GA12419@dlc-dt
Re: Fwd: Questions about SIGHUP behavior
On 13Nov13:1240+0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: thanks for your detailed answer. Indeed, this is very good material to understand. As a minor point in the interest of complete treatment, I add the nohup nohup construct; e.g., ( while : ; do sleep 60 ; echo awake `date` ; done /dev/null ) which has the same effect as the nohup command. Try inserting trap 'echo HUP' HUP ; before the 'while' and redirecting to something like /tmp/$$.log instead of /dev/null to see if it actually receives SIGHUP signals via kill -1 PID of sh commands. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131113132614.GA12453@dlc-dt
Re: Hosting advice
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 20:38, staticsafe m...@staticsafe.ca said: On 10/31/2013 20:00, John Hasler wrote: nearlyfreespeech.net looks interesting but if he goes with that why would he bother with the Google thing? NearlyFreeSpeech only provides an e-mail forwarding service, no actual hosted e-mail service. Thanks staticsafe, but that's a show-stopper. -- staticsafe O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. It is not logical. Please don't CC me! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52730613.2010...@staticsafe.ca Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383309360.183928...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 18:46, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com said: Craig L. writes: May I trouble you good people for suggestions that meet these needs? We would like to have at least one working email address by close of business tomorrow (Friday, 1 November), or Monday at the latest. If his registrar is any good they will provide email forwarding at no extra cost. I suggest opening an account at http://newsguy.com/ (yes, they are a Usenet provider, but their accounts come with email service that is well worth the price without the news). They are, and they do (EasyDNS). For hosting (and as a registrar) I recommend https://www.gandi.net/. This is definitely a good options. Thanks! -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383310060.543630...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 21:09, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net said: May I trouble you good people for suggestions that meet these needs? We would like to have at least one working email address by close of business tomorrow (Friday, 1 November), or Monday at the latest. Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail First of all, most hosting is done on shared servers. With shared servers, you will have only user privileges, and not much of that. Email will be set up via a control panel; webserver, database and languages will already be set up. The system itself will be maintained and updated. You will share the server resources with up to 150 or so other web sites (depending on the hosting company . All you need to do is upload the website pages. You will have very limited access outside of your home directory; some hosting companies don't even provide SSH access because for the vast majority of web sites, it's not needed. So from the operator POV (you will not be a sysop - you'll be a webmaster), there's not really much difference between Linux hosting and other types. I do, however, prefer Linux hosting, but for other reasons. Good points. The reason for going for hosting at the moment is it will give us a quick and easy solution. The reason for the Linux requirement is that we will be looking into a dedicated or virtual solution in the future. If I am going to manage it, it will be Linux. Now if you go with an unmanaged dedicated server ($$$) or Virtual Private Server ($$), you do have total control - but you also have total responsibility (you can get managed servers - but at more cost). For shared hosting you might try HostGator - I know several people who are happy with them. (BTW - I share your feelings about GoDaddy web hosting - I have my domains there - but would never host a site there). Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52730d3c.2000...@attglobal.net Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383310168.190310...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 22:06, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com said: On 10/31/2013 03:53 PM, Craig L. wrote: May I trouble you good people for suggestions that meet these needs? We would like to have at least one working email address by close of business tomorrow (Friday, 1 November), or Monday at the latest. If you want a virtual private server (VPS), I had a good experience with a Linode: https://www.linode.com/ They offer several OS's, including Debian 6 and 7. This is definitely a good option. Thanks! HTH, David Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383310389.301532...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 22:36, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com said: On 01/11/13 09:53, Craig L. wrote: May I trouble you good people for suggestions that meet these needs? We would like to have at least one working email address by close of business tomorrow (Friday, 1 November), or Monday at the latest. Match your requirements, support Debian, and, Debian support https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting Ah, this is exactly what I need. I will do some exploring and we should be able to have at least one functioning email address by this afternoon. Thanks Scott, and to everyone else that took the time to respond. I think I have what I need for the moment. Our needs right now are a functioning email address. Our eventual plan is to go with a VPS running Wheezy, Apache, Exim4, PostgreSQL9 and Courier IMAP, and eventual plans to go to a dedicated system, either housed locally or colocated. Regards, Craig Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527321bc.5030...@gmail.com Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383310942.000219...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Friday, November 1, 2013 05:56, Jeff Bauer alienj...@charter.net said: On 10/31/2013 06:53 PM, Craig L. wrote: I have a good friend ... Consider https://www.linode.com/ Friends don't run a friend's server on Microsoft; nor do friends set up friend's email with Google. Yep, that's why I insisted that if I was doing this then my only requirements were that neither would be in the picture. Regards, Jeff Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383311371.376730...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Hosting advice
On Friday, November 1, 2013 09:45, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net said: And what reason do you want to go to a VPS or even a dedicated server? Unless your buddy's website is getting dozens of hits a second, it is way overkill. And it comes at a price (both $$$ and time) to match. Sorry, I meant when we grow to the point of needing something like that. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, simple hosting is more than good enough. The web presence will more or less just be a contact page for now, and that's easy enough. I just figured proper planning at this stage will come in handy one of these days. It's obvious this is a new area for you. My recommendation would be to find a good shared host and let the experts manage the system. It's a lot different than managing a home system, especially security. As an example, my servers get attacks from a dozen or so different ip addresses each day, coming in through smtp, pop3, imap and/or ssh ports. You can't just shut those off - you need them open. So you have to take additional steps to stop the attacks while letting valid traffic through. You have to ensure your email server doesn't become a SPAM relay. And this is just the start. It's a constant battle that a good hosting company knows how to fight successfully. Advice taken, and thanks. In the end it turns out that EasyDNS offers email hosting and I opted for that for the sake of expediency. That takes the pressure off for the next few days at least. Again, thanks to you and everyone. I received some excellent advice. Now, off to grow the business! Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383319687.5561...@webmail.gtek.biz
Hosting advice
Hello all, I have a good friend that is in a sticky situation and has turned to me for help. I'm not 100% sure of how to advise him so I figured I would pose our question here. He lives in Texas, in the USA. He is starting his own business, and a bit sooner than he planned. He has a domain registered to him. He needs to be able to set up email service asap, with an eye towards eventually setting up a web site for the operation. I know GoDaddy offers these types of services, but I'm not a big fan of GoDaddy. Since I will probably be the system administrator for a while, I would prefer a hosting service that offers a Linux OS, preferably Debian, and PostgreSQL or MySQL, again preferably PostgreSQL. May I trouble you good people for suggestions that meet these needs? We would like to have at least one working email address by close of business tomorrow (Friday, 1 November), or Monday at the latest. Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1383259990.09978...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On 13Oct09:2153+0100, Joe wrote: On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:24:57 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Being retired, I've no aspirations of being a sysadmin. If you run Linux, you already are. You don't get to choose. Probably. There have been reports of parents set up on Linux platforms by children who remotely attend to the care and feeding of the box. Hopefully these parents are not deemed to be lusers by their progeny. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep26:2109-0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Please don't top post. And please don't conflate the fact that you couldn't install Ubuntu on a Lenovo with UEFI with the fact that it cannot be done. I've just installed Ubuntu on a Lenovo and it's the seventh such install on UEFI laptops. The FSF usually stakes out extreme positions. Some debunking of Secure Boot myths by the (main) developer of the Secure Boot shim: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10971.html Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927103829.ga4...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep27:2054+0530, Balamurugan wrote: On 09/27/2013 04:08 PM, David L. Craig wrote: Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. Hi David, Till last month, I have installed close to 10 installations of GNU/Linux OS as dual boot with Windows OS(XP and Windows 7). This particular Lenova Laptop which had Windows 8 installed in UEFI mode had issues in installing Ubuntu. When I try to insert the Ubuntu (12.04 LTS) in USB boot stick, it is not even recognizing the OS. The machine detects Ubuntu only when I turned off UEFI to Legacy mode. In the same time, I purchased my own laptop (Dell vostro 2420) which was pre-installed with Ubuntu. When I checked that, it was turned to Legacy boot by default. Also as per the technical journals I read, GNU/Linux don't have their own UEFI authorizing keys. Can you please correct me with some more details, If I am wrong. I am at a disadvantage because I relinquished the laptop about a month ago to be returned to Lenovo for warranty repair and the memory is somewhat dim. The BIOS was configured for Legacy boot. I enabled USB booting in the BIOS as needed and kept it normally unenabled. I installed Linux Mint XFCE into a hard drive partition. I discovered the main power button will always boot up Win8 in UEFI mode but the smaller power buttona, designed for the Lenovo One-Key recovery facility, brings up a boot menu that includes the hard drive partitions and USB drives if such are configured as bootable. I hope this is helpful. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927223435.ga3...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep25:0800+0530, Balamurugan wrote: Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. I was able to get my Lenovo G500 laptop dual-booting after reconfiguring the BIOS to Legacy by powering up with the smaller power button to the right instead of the main power button, which brings up a boot loader dialog enabling both Win8 and Grub. It's been undergoing warranty repair at Austin, Texas for the past couple weeks so far (the F1 keycap latching mechanism was broken in the box--the 5-cent part HAS to be repaired at the factory-authorized facility to maintain the warranty!) so I can't be entirely certain I'm remembering this right. To be fair, it's been a couple weeks since I surrendered it to my boss to ship it for service--it may still be in his custody for all I know. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130925082227.ga15...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Sound problems on Wheezy upgrade
On Friday, September 13, 2013 10:00:03 AM UTC-4, Lisi Reisz wrote: The problem has arisen since I upgraded. Sound was fine in Squeeze. Now, when I run alsamixergui: lisi@Tux-II:~$ alsamixergui I get an error box saying: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: invalid argument No pulseaudia is installed. I get the same problem on a fresh install of Wheezy on my husband's box. on-board sound on my box: chipset Intel Z77 Express chipset root@Tux-II:/home/lisi# lshw | grep snd configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0 I have no idea where to look. I have googled the error message, and get a lot of hits. It is obviously a common error, but I could see no solutions that seemed to fit my situation. Probably couldn't see the wood for the trees. :-( Two people had succeeded by purging everything Alsa related and installing Alsa from upstream, though one of them had to run snddevices after every boot. Hardly satisfactory, especially on my husband's box. Any suggestions, please? Ought I to purge and install from upstream? In general, I prefer to stick to Debian versions. Thanks for any help, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309131458.27255.lisi.re...@gmail.com I ran into an alsa issue awhile back and solved it by altering the conf file. May or may not be of any help. I wrote it up here http://linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=9t=409 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f3d723d2-19db-41c6-917e-d807a9338...@googlegroups.com
Re: Mutt / addressbook
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:10:02 PM UTC-4, Josef Bailey wrote: Hello I'm trying to use the abook app to add an anddressbook into mut (If im correct it uses alias) Here is what i have done so far wajing install abook (wajing, apt-get, aptitude) = same thing Edit your ~/.muttrc file to include a macro for abook set alias_file=~/.mutt-alias source ~/.mutt-alias set query_command= abook --mutt-query '%s' macro index,pager A pipe-messageabook --add-email-quietreturn add the sender address to abook If you have no ~/.mutt-alias, be sure to create one before running mut touch ~/.mutt-alias mutt Once i run mutt i get an error Error in /home/jcbjoe/.muttrc, line 87: macro: unknown variable source: errors in /home/jcbjoe/.muttrc sed -n -87p .muttrc shows me this set query_command= abook --mutt-query '%s' macro index,pager A pipe-messageabook --add-email-quietreturn add the sender address to abook Any ideas Thanks Josef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130919190325.GA7773@debian this works for me # Use abook with Mutt set query_command=abook --mutt-query '%s' macro index a |abook --add-email\n 'add sender to abook' macro pager a |abook --add-email\n 'add sender to abook' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e64e7c5b-5703-4605-9601-03bdd748c...@googlegroups.com
Re: does wheezy's default kernel support wireless mouse?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 05:55:02PM -0400, Long Wind wrote: Or do I have to install 3rd party modules? Logitech m185 was plug and go for me. Stock Debian Wheezy, XFCE4, on an older HP Pavilion AMD Athalon 64. $ uname -a Linux mymach 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux Craig Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZDHisgjgvF+fWECZExAKhAEhaPz9mFR-G6=vrdw9fp...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130919235338.ga13...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Monitor text colour on boot is magenta instead of white
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 08:24:20PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Today I had occasion to change location of my computer and its peripherals including the monitor. When I turned it after the change on the colour of the text which scrolls up the screen was magenta instead of white. This magenta instead of white persists when the operating system (Squeeze) is loaded. The result is a reddish hue to everything which then appears on the monitor. The mainboard I am using is a Foxconn 45CM-S with a built in VGA graphics card. The monitor is an ACER AL2216W LCD with 16080x1050 resolution. I checked carefully all the connections between the computer and the peripherals, and I am reasonably certain that I got them all right. Since the magenta colour appears when the computer is first turned on and also when the BIOS is opened I assumed that there must be a way to adjust it somewhere in the BIOS, but I could not find where. Neither did there appear to be a way to change the this colour in any of the KDE settings, not that I expected to find such a way because the magenta appears immediately on boot before the operating system is installed. A Google research returned no useful information. Can anybody advise me what went wrong and how to fix it? If your monitor connects via a VGA connection I'd be highly suspicious of the VGA connection. I've done it to myself many times. Look carefully for bent pins or the connector not screwed down all the way. I wouldn't think a BIOS setting got changed unless it was done intentionally. Craig Regards, Ken Heard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlI6RDQACgkQlNlJzOkJmTf5kACfdwjgBDdKnuW/jKXEiiLw0yeW zGcAnAqd3eVbuiI32BBhXxQLa6S9CIeS =cC52 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/523a4434.4060...@teksavvy.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130919013942.ga11...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: find and copy [Solved]
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:52:09PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Sorry, I forgot you needed renaming. So -I option to xargs may be
useful for you.
OK, try something like this:
sh -c 'cp $0 /tmp/data.backup/${HOSTNAME}.${0:2}' {} \;
find /tmp/var -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' -type f \
| xargs -n 50 basename -a \
| xargs -I NAME echo cp /tmp/data.backup/NAME \
/tmp/var/$HOSTNAME.`date +%Y%m%d-%H.%M.%S.%N`.NAME.backup
You should be bonza, fab, good to go :)
Let us know if that does the trick,
Zenaan
Hi Zenaan,
Well I don't know about bonza, and I thought fab was back in the sixties :).
But you got it, with two minor caveats. There is no -a for basename, and (I
wouldn't expect you to really catch this, just pointing it out) the directory
names are backwards in the cp statement. I want to copy from /tmp/var/ to
/tmp/data.backup.
But you get the kudos, and my appreciation for putting the time into this. I've
been stuck taking care of some broken databases, but then that is my job and I
do actually enjoy it. :)
Zenaan, thanks for the help.
Craig
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Re: find and copy
Thanks Zenaan, for moving this back on-list (to anyone interested, I replied
privately by mistake. Zenaan was gracious enough to accept my mistake)
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 07:16:42AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
It seems I was a bit cavalier on more than one count. My apologies.
No apology necessary. I was cranky that day, and I think we're good. You were
trying to help and that's more important to me.
Actaully I considered xargs, but I am very lacking in knowledge
of it, and the man page did not offer a solution (that I could see)
either. Your suggestion included here will not work, nor will your
follow-up suggestion (although the suggestions are appreciated).
Actually, a bit of tweaking and it will work.
Of course. That's the beauty of an OS built on user desires. :)
Both seem to be trying to copy the string '{}' and the directory
/var/data.backup/ to the directory name that is being piped to
xargs, the name of the found file in this case, which is how I
understand xargs to funtion. Regardless, I get the same error to
both:
cp: target `dump_08-31-13.sql' is not a directory
Ah yes, well then an argument to cp should do it:
... | xargs cp -t /var/data.backup/
ought to do the job. And you can test first with the following:
... | xargs echo cp -t /var/data.backup/
This works in that it copies the found files to /var/data.backup, but does not
rename it in the process. I'm on another system right now without PostgreSQL,
but my testing was as follows:
mkdir /tmp/var
mkdir /tmp/data.backup
touch /tmp/var/test.sql
find /tmp/var -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' 2/dev/null | \
xargs echo cp -t /tmp/data.backup
which outputs this:
cp -t /tmp/data.backup /tmp/var/test.sql
and then this (without the echo this time)
find /tmp/var -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' 2/dev/null | \
xargs cp -t /tmp/data.backup
ls -l /tmp/data.backup/
outputs this:
-rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig0 Sep 5 19:13 test.sql
Of course, being Linux, there is always yet another way (this without xargs):
find /tmp/var -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' -execdir \
sh -c 'cp $0 /tmp/data.backup/${HOSTNAME}.${0:2}' {} \;
ls -l /tmp/data.backup/
results in:
-rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig0 Sep 5 19:14 craigbox.test.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig0 Sep 5 19:13 test.sql
The {} argument to sh is $0, and ${0:2} extracts the substring starting after
position 2, from the string represented by {} (./test.sql in this case). It
effectively strips the leading ./
Two caveats regarding that solution:
I have sh pointing to bash on my system. None of the above is tested using dash
which is the default shell on Debian these days. I would expect the same
results, but I am completely unfamiliar with dash.
And, I am pretty sure the sh spawns a subshell for each file found, so in my
case where I know there will only be up to three files it will take minimal
time and resources. I am unsure about the hit a large number of matches would
incur, especially if the files copied are large too.
Cheers,
Craig
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find and coy
Hello all,
I have a script that runs on different servers that does a daily dump of each
database. I would like to also copy each system's file to the same NFS mounted
system so that I have a local and a remote copy from each system. Obviously I
don't need to copy yesterday's dump again, so I am trying to find the recent
file and copy only it. I have no problem developing that find command, but I
want to rename the copy in the process by pre-pending the file name with the
hostname so I can differentiate between dumps from different servers. I don't
want bother with having to implement a destination directory structure since
new systems may come and go. So I am trying to see how this works by echoing
the find output, and I can see what the problem is but I don't know how to get
around it. find's {} place holder is expanding to ./filename and I need just
filename
The command I am testing with is:
find /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/backup -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' -execdir
echo /var/data.backup/`hostname`.{} ';'
which outputs:
/var/data.backup/prod1../dump_08-31-13.sql
but I want it to output:
/var/data.backup/prod1.dump_08-31-13.sql
My final command will be a copy command similar to:
find /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/backup -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' -execdir cp
'{}' /var/data.backup/`hostname`.'{}' ';'
but I need to understand how to strip the leading ./ from the filename returned
by find. Anyone have a suggestion?
Thanks,
Craig
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Re: find and coy
Thanks Zenaan (and apologies to all for the poor formatting of my original
post. I forgot this bloody web interface defaults to that. fmt to the rescue)
On Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:16, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net said:
On 9/1/13, cr...@gtek.biz cr...@gtek.biz wrote:
find the recent file and copy only it. I have no problem developing that
find command,
but evidently not quite ...
find /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/backup -mmin -60 -a -iname '*.sql' \
-execdir cp '{}' /var/data.backup/ ';'
copies the file to /var/data.backup/dump_08-31-13.sql just fine.
but I want to rename the copy in the process by pre-pending
the file name with the hostname so I can differentiate between dumps from
different servers. I don't want bother with having to implement a
destination directory structure since new systems may come and go. So I am
trying to see how this works by echoing the find output, and I can see what
the problem is but I don't know how to get around it. find's {} place holder
is expanding to ./filename and I need just filename
man find, and search for -printf format,
ie type man findenter/\-printf format
Looks like you want a variation on this option:
-printf %f\n
printf is one of the actions that find can take when a match occurs,
and its action is to output the match to stdout. I don't want to output
the filename to stdout.
I'm not familiar with -exec option.
With all due respect, follow your advice: man find and search for
-exec. It is another possible action, not an option. It is listed in the
man page about 13 actions up from -printf format. Instead of printing
the match to stdout, it allows you to define a command to execute on the
match, substituting the string {} with the match and then executing the
defined command on each match. -execdir does the same, but does so as if
CWD was the directory in which the match occurred. This is what I need,
but the match is still returned as a relative path and I need to strip
the leading ./ off of that return.
That being said, this is Linux and there is always more than one way
to accomplish your goal. The following does what I need:
for dumpfile in \
`find /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/backup -mmin -60 -a-iname '*.sql'`
do
cp $dumpfile /var/data.backup/`hostname`.`basename $dumpfile`
done
I would still like to know how to do it as a find action if anyone
has suggestions.
Regards,
Craig
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Re: Setting up simple VNC Server?
On 13Jul01:1518-0400, Art Huston wrote: I'm looking for the simplest, quickest way to setup VNC Server so I can access my Debian machine from Windows. There are a number of ways found on the web -- is there a best practice? I use ss vs in one terminal, then ss vv in a second to establish the session, no VNC daemon needed. The stripped down (untested) ss script: #!/bin/sh ii=`cat /etc/iip | tr -d '\012'` # get my home's ISP Internet IP if [ $1 = '' -o $1 = '-h' -o $1 = '--help' ] then cat EOHELP Syntax: ss vs | vv vs invokes ssh to establish VNC service to the server vv connects to the VNC service established by the vs option EOHELP else case $1 in ( vs ) ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 $USER.@$ii \ x11vnc -usepw -localhost -display :0 -noxdamage ;; ( vv ) vncviewer localhost:0 ;; esac fi During ss vs you will be prompted for passphrases and/or passwords needed to connect to your target server and establish the port-forwarding ssh connection. During ss vv you will be prompted for the VNC password on your target system if you configured one. BTW, another script is fired off by the server's cron every minute to get the leased ISP IP address from the router and update /etc/iip when the lease changes (it also reconfigures the MTA and sends out emails telling me of the change so I can update /etc/iip on my remote system that runs the ss script. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
nvi question
Good afternoon, Using nvi as opposed to vim, the global command to delete all blank line is: :g/^$/d Would anyone happen to know how to replace all instances of two blank lines with a single blank line? The problem I'm running into is how to match the newline character. Since this is nvi, \n is not an option. Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1368651019.939711...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Calculating optimal disk partitions
On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:26, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com said: It might be fruitful to open a question about parted on their upstream mailing list. https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-parted http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ Bob Hi Bob, I did as you suggested, and it was helpful. Rather than repeat the conversation, I'll provide the link: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2013-05/msg0.html Thanks for your help, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1368191082.092732...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Calculating optimal disk partitions
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 19:50, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com said: cr...@gtek.biz wrote: cr...@gtek.biz said: I found a thread that mentioned the values should be multiples of 2048 for advanced format disks, which this ST31000524AS is, if I'm The ST31000524AS is not advanced format. It uses traditional 512 byte sectors. I have several of that particular model of drive. reading the product specs correctly. But both /sys/block/sdb/queue/physical_block_size and /sys/block/sdb/queue/logical_block_size report 512, which is why I asked about how to determine the actual sector size. The actual sector size is 512. # hdparm -I /dev/sda ... Logical/Physical Sector size: 512 bytes Thanks Bob. You have at least confirmed one thing for me. Interestingly, the documentation that is linked to the hard drive on the Seagate site that mentions the disk as being advanced format is not the documentation for this drive, and I missed that. I had forgotten about hdparm as well. ... If it is advanced format then it would have reported it like this: Logical Sector size: 512 bytes Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes Example using the new partitioner in the new debian-installer. This would be good everywhere. # sfdisk -d /dev/sda # partition table of /dev/sda unit: sectors /dev/sda1 : start= 2048, size= 997376, Id=fd ... Example using the old partitioner in the old debian-installer. This is fine for 512 byte sectors but not for 4k sector disks. # sfdisk -d /dev/sda # partition table of /dev/sda unit: sectors /dev/sda1 : start= 63, size= 995967, Id=fd ... I am sorry but I do not have a good explanation of the rest of your question. I just responded about the part I knew. No need to apologize, I appreciate you sharing what you could. I will go play with sfdisk and see if that sheds any light on the subject. I just find it frustrating that the partitioner would issue a warning that has so little supporting documentation. Reminds me of another operating system that I had the misfortune of certifying on many years ago. FWIW, I did find an interesting article by a Roderick Smith (http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/) that talks about advanced format disks, but still doesn't explain the process for calculating optimal start and end points for creating partitions. I will check out the rest of his articles and keep looking as well. Maybe my search skills need some honing, eh? Craig Bob Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1368018895.004222...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Calculating optimal disk partitions
On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:26, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com said: cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I just find it frustrating that the partitioner would issue a warning that has so little supporting documentation. It might be fruitful to open a question about parted on their upstream mailing list. https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-parted http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ Bob I found my exact question posted on the Debian parted-devel list[1], but I guess that is only Debian specific? If that is the case then I will definitely post the question there. Thanks! [1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/parted-devel/2010-March/003452.html Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1368035363.086620...@webmail.gtek.biz
RE: Calculating optimal disk partitions
On Monday, May 6, 2013 08:39, cr...@gtek.biz said: This 1TB disk reports both physical and logical sector sizes of 512 bytes each, and is currently partitioned with one extended partition that is made up of the entire disk. It has three existing logical partitions, and parted tells me the first two are aligned, and the third is not. I would like to leave the existing partitions as they are, and create one more optimally aligned partition. The existing layout is as follows, and an example of what I did in trying to create a 100GB partition: $ sudo parted -a opt /dev/sdb GNU Parted 2.3 Using /dev/sdb Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands. (parted) unit s (parted) p Model: ATA ST31000524AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 1953525168s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 2048s 1953523711s 1953521664s extended lba 5 4096s 683732991s 683728896s logical 6 683735040s 976762879s 293027840s logical 7 976762943s 1172081149s 195318207s logical (parted) mkpart Partition type? primary/logical? logical File system type? [ext2]? Start? 1172083200 End? 1953523703 Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. Ignore/Cancel? c (parted) q Can anyone tell me what values I should use for the starting and ending sectors for the next partition so that I do not get the error message? Would anyone be willing to share the mathematical calculation that helps determine those values (I am assuming there is one since parted is able to make assertions based on something)? Is it possible that the physical sector size is 4096 bytes, and if so how would I determine that, and how does that affect things? I found a thread that mentioned the values should be multiples of 2048 for advanced format disks, which this ST31000524AS is, if I'm reading the product specs correctly. But both /sys/block/sdb/queue/physical_block_size and /sys/block/sdb/queue/logical_block_size report 512, which is why I asked about how to determine the actual sector size. However, that advice seems to have worked in this instance. If it's not too much trouble, can anyone shed more light on the subject? Do I need to align on multiples of 2048 sectors, or just 8? And yes, I know that 2048 is a multiple of 8. (parted) mkpart Partition type? primary/logical? l File system type? [ext2]? Start? 1172082688 End? 100% (parted) p Model: ATA ST31000524AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 1953525168s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number StartEnd Size Type File system Flags 1 2048s1953523711s 1953521664s extended lba 5 4096s683732991s 683728896s logical 6 683735040s 976762879s 293027840s logical 7 976762943s 1172081149s 195318207s logical 8 1172082688s 1953523711s 781441024s logical (parted) q FWIW, at this point I don't care about the fact that partition 7 is not properly aligned, and I don't care if I have to leave some space unused. I just want to understand how to avoid the error while using as much of the available space as I can in an optimal manner. Any light is appreciated. Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1367847550.77611...@webmail.gtek.biz Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1367934337.631727...@webmail.gtek.biz
Calculating optimal disk partitions
Good morning all, I am trying to add a partition to the unused space on a hard drive. Using parted, I keep getting Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. There is not a whole lot of explanation out there that explains the calculations necessary to determine the sector numbers to use for starting and ending a partition to avoid this message, but what I have found indicates the starting number should be a multiple of eight. All of the multiples of eight that I have tried still give me the error. Using the error phrase as a search term shows a lot of other people asking the same questions, but again not a lot of explanation for the underlying cause. This 1TB disk reports both physical and logical sector sizes of 512 bytes each, and is currently partitioned with one extended partition that is made up of the entire disk. It has three existing logical partitions, and parted tells me the first two are aligned, and the third is not. I would like to leave the existing partitions as they are, and create one more optimally aligned partition. The existing layout is as follows, and an example of what I did in trying to create a 100GB partition: $ sudo parted -a opt /dev/sdb GNU Parted 2.3 Using /dev/sdb Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands. (parted) unit s (parted) p Model: ATA ST31000524AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 1953525168s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 2048s 1953523711s 1953521664s extended lba 5 4096s 683732991s 683728896s logical 6 683735040s 976762879s 293027840s logical 7 976762943s 1172081149s 195318207s logical (parted) mkpart Partition type? primary/logical? logical File system type? [ext2]? Start? 1172083200 End? 1953523703 Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. Ignore/Cancel? c (parted) q Can anyone tell me what values I should use for the starting and ending sectors for the next partition so that I do not get the error message? Would anyone be willing to share the mathematical calculation that helps determine those values (I am assuming there is one since parted is able to make assertions based on something)? Is it possible that the physical sector size is 4096 bytes, and if so how would I determine that, and how does that affect things? FWIW, at this point I don't care about the fact that partition 7 is not properly aligned, and I don't care if I have to leave some space unused. I just want to understand how to avoid the error while using as much of the available space as I can in an optimal manner. Any light is appreciated. Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1367847550.77611...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: iptables and kvm
On Friday, January 25, 2013 11:17, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: I am running Debian Wheezy, and have installed kvm. When I list my iptables rules there are a set of default rules defined, and forwarding is set up for my virtual network. For the life of me I can not figure out where these rules are defined, and I would like to make some changes that I want to be permanent. Would anyone mind enlightening me as where I can find the source of those rules? grep -RIil iptables /etc/* returns nothing. To the OP: AFAIK, if you set up a nat-based VM, libvirt/qemu'll set up the rules that you're seeing. If they're in a grepable form, there'll probably be under /usr. Hi Tom, I think you are correct as far as where the rules came from, but I don't think they are going to be grepable. The source contains iptables.c, and a few other similarly named files. I haven't done C in a while, but I'll try to make sure that is where my rules came from. There are also changelog entries that appear to back this up as well. I'll do a bit more digging, but I think I have my answer. Thanks! Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1359379792.447916...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: lightdm login screen minor issue [SOLVED]
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 07:08, Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net said: Hello cr...@gtek.biz, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: ii lightdm 1.2.2-4i386 simple display manager ii lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.1.6-2i386 simple display manager (GTK+ greeter) ii upower 0.9.17-1 i386 abstraction for power management That looks ok, yes. You might have mis-configured ConsoleKit/PolicyKit in such a way that it doesn’t allow unauthenticated users (i.e. the login screen) to shut down the system. However, I have no idea how to fix that :) Best, Claudius Hi Claudius, Apologies for the extended delay in responding. I was just able to get back to this issue this evening. You were on the right path. I actually needed to install policykit-1 and it's dependencies, and I now have the power options available on the login screen. Thanks, and all the best to you as well! Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1359339889.786624...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: iptables and kvm
And good time of day to you, Sthu. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 23:55, Sthu Deus sthu.d...@gmail.com said: Good time of the day, Craig. If You want to set Your own rules, You can write it to a file where You want to hold it, then You can put a script w/ execution bit set in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d that will read those files. As soon as the interface comes up, Your rules will come up too (in case it is correct - otherwise the defaults will be used). Sthu. I'm afraid I wasn't clear in what I was asking for. I am fairly familiar with iptables and how to enable my own rules at start up. I am just curious to know where the existing rules came from. Something I installed created a set of rules for the virtual network, and I would like to know what caused that and what causes them to be enabled. $ sudo iptables -L -n --line-numbers Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) num target prot opt source destination 1ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:53 2ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:53 3ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:67 4ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:67 Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) num target prot opt source destination 1ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.221.0/24 state RELATED,ESTABLISHED 2ACCEPT all -- 192.168.221.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 3ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 4REJECT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable 5REJECT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) num target prot opt source destination Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1359120356.51796...@webmail.gtek.biz
iptables and kvm
I am running Debian Wheezy, and have installed kvm. When I list my iptables rules there are a set of default rules defined, and forwarding is set up for my virtual network. For the life of me I can not figure out where these rules are defined, and I would like to make some changes that I want to be permanent. Would anyone mind enlightening me as where I can find the source of those rules? grep -RIil iptables /etc/* returns nothing. Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1359054666.32117...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: [1/2OT] how to delete ??? file
On Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:33, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com said: Yes, in my home directory. The path is /home/lina/try -? ? ? ? ?? XX.tar But it looks more to me as if this files are somehow corrupted. Did you fsck this file-system lately ? Hi Lina Excuse me for replying to this message, I've managed to lose your first post. This is most likely not a corrupt file system, but rather it is probably the result of lack of execute permission on the directory. You can recreate it thusly: $ cd /tmp $ mkdir test $ export looptest=0 $ while [ $looptest -le 10 ] do touch test/test$looptest loop=`expr $looptest + 1` done $ ls -l test total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test0 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test1 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test10 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test2 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test3 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test4 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test5 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test6 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test7 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test8 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test9 $ chmod 644 test $ ls -l test ls: cannot access test/test3: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test1: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test5: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test10: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test6: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test8: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test9: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test2: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test0: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test4: Permission denied ls: cannot access test/test7: Permission denied total 0 -? ? ? ? ?? test0 -? ? ? ? ?? test1 -? ? ? ? ?? test10 -? ? ? ? ?? test2 -? ? ? ? ?? test3 -? ? ? ? ?? test4 -? ? ? ? ?? test5 -? ? ? ? ?? test6 -? ? ? ? ?? test7 -? ? ? ? ?? test8 -? ? ? ? ?? test9 $ rm -f test/* rm: cannot remove `test/test0': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test1': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test10': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test2': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test3': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test4': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test5': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test6': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test7': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test8': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `test/test9': Permission denied $ chmod 755 test $ ls -l test total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test0 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test1 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test10 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test2 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test3 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test4 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test5 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test6 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test7 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test8 -rw-r--r-- 1 craig craig 0 Jan 19 13:50 test9 $ rm -f test/* $ ls -l test total 0 This is a result of needing directory execute permission in order to traverse the directory. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358627597.802821...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Saturday, January 19, 2013 07:44, Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org said: Hello, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : The 686-pae kernel is 32-bit, nothing strange here. However, in your OP you mentioned not being able to allocate more than 2 GB with qemu. Unless this is some limitation of qemu it should have worked with the -686-pae kernel Don't forget that even though the PAE kernel can manage up to 64 GiB of physical memory, 32 userland processes are still limited to 32-bit virtual memory addressing. One thing I've learned is that the more work it takes to resolve a problem, the less likely it is that you will forget that resolution. Thanks! I also misspoke in my previous post. It was not a problem with qemu, it was my lack of understanding, dut to my lack of reading. Qemu was not the issue, I was. I've also enjoyed the other 64-bit discussions and picked up a few tips. My thanks to everyone that participated in the conversations. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358628210.60766...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: [1/2OT] how to delete ??? file
On Saturday, January 19, 2013 14:33, cr...@gtek.biz said: On Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:33, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com said: Yes, in my home directory. The path is /home/lina/try -? ? ? ? ?? XX.tar But it looks more to me as if this files are somehow corrupted. Did you fsck this file-system lately ? Hi Lina Excuse me for replying to this message, I've managed to lose your first post. This is most likely not a corrupt file system, but rather it is probably the result of lack of execute permission on the directory. You can recreate it thusly: $ cd /tmp $ mkdir test $ export looptest=0 $ while [ $looptest -le 10 ] do touch test/test$looptest loop=`expr $looptest + 1` done *sigh* The above loop is an infinite loop. The line loop=`expr $looptest + 1 should read looptest=`expr $looptest + 1 I used loop as the variable name in my testing, and I copied that to my original reply, but after copying it I decided to change the name because looptest would be less likely to have been already defined. In trying to avoid confusion I succeeded in creating it. Just hasn't been my day. Apologies. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358648476.84589...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 16:08, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com said: What's the output of dpkg --print-architecture dpkg --print-foreign-architectures [my-desktop:~]$ dpkg --print-architecture i386 [my-desktop:~]$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures [my-desktop:~]$ I assume, after a quick search of man dpkg, that I should probably add the correct architecture? Or is this telling us that I installed from the i386 netinst iso (which I did), and that I need to re-install from the amd64? AFAIK you have to reinstall with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso Because adding a foreign architecture is only for adding its libraries to run some applications, not for running its kernel. Hugo Thanks Hugo, I'm re-installing from that iso right now. I'll let you know how that works out. Part of my lack of understanding is undoubtedly due to my lack of experience with newer hardware. My newest Debian system outside of this desktop is a seven year-old Dell server, and I set it up over a year ago with Squeeze and haven't had to mess with it since, other than the usual updates, configuration changes, etc. I've never had any experience with Debian on anything other than older Intel hardware. I do maintain several much newer systems here at work, but they are Dell x86-64 running CentOS, and I inherited them. In t he meantime, I'll go back and re-read the install guides since my knowledge is obviously way out of date. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358525700.83787...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 16:44, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com said: On Thursday 17 January 2013 20:44:07 cr...@gtek.biz wrote: Hum... this might be an option, but the easier is to install from the amd64 iso, since with only the kernel using amd64, you will not have benefits from your x86_64 arch. So just do a clean install? That I can do, but not today then. Much the best, if it is feasible. Default Wheezy is not responsible - you must have used a 32 bit iso. ;-) Lisi Yes, I used the 32-bit i386 installer. I should have termed it that way, and that is, from what I've gathered, the source of my problems. I am re-installing with amd64 installer as we speak. Will let you know how that works out. Thanks! Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358525942.155232...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 17:08, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com said:
On Jo, 17 ian 13, 13:09:46, cr...@gtek.biz wrote:
Hello all,
I have a fairly modern Desktop PC with two Intel Xeon X5690 Processors. It
appears the default install of Wheezy installed a 32-bit kernel, because qemu
will not allow me to allocate more than 2047MB of RAM. How can I verify that
uname -a
is the case, and if so, can anyone point me to anything that might help me
understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Do I just need to select the correct
ARCH (which I'm getting ready to try in the meantime)?
Currently the only 32-bit kernel in wheezy without PAE support for i386
is the -486 flavour, but the installer would not install that unless
your processor(s) are not supported by the other images.
If this is indeed the case ('uname -a' will tell) and you can reproduce
it you might want to send an installation report.
Kind regards,
Andrei
Hi Andrei,
I used the i386 net install image, and selected the (if I remember correctly)
i686-3.2.0-4-pae kernel. Are you saying that should have installed the 64-bit
kernel or that I got the 32-bit kernel I did't realize I was asking for?
I've begun the process of re-installing with the amd64 net install image, but
on a separate hard drive. I can still boot into the original system, but I did
install the linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package yesterday. The only dependency
installed with it was firmware-linux-free:i386.
I'll be happy to post the install report from that install if you would still
like to see it.
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Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Friday, January 18, 2013 11:13, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com said: On Vi, 18 ian 13, 10:26:10, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I used the i386 net install image, and selected the (if I remember correctly) i686-3.2.0-4-pae kernel. Are you saying that should have installed the 64-bit kernel or that I got the 32-bit kernel I did't realize I was asking for? The 686-pae kernel is 32-bit, nothing strange here. And that is what I unknowingly asked for, so all is good here. However, in your OP you mentioned not being able to allocate more than 2 GB with qemu. Unless this is some limitation of qemu it should have worked with the -686-pae kernel, which is why I thought the installer got the -486 (non-pae) kernel for you (which would have been a bug). I seem to recal the -486 kernel being an option, one of five or six that I could choose from. But it was also a 2.6 kernel, I think. Thanks for the clarification, and sorry for causing the confusion. I haven't been able to find a clear answer for why I would not have been able to allocate more RAM, but I did see one thread that seemed to indicate 32-bit addressing could be a cause. That is what started me down that path. This could also just be a result of the learning curve I need to go through to learn qemu. We'll find out in a bit I think. I had wanted to experiment some on my home system but haven't had time. I'm at the point here that it would be a big help if I could build some VMs here without fear of tearing up a needed system. I've gotten it working with qemu-kvm on one of our CentOS servers, but it is remote and I'd like to do away with the network lag and the possibility of being cut off if we have network issues during an upcoming cable run. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358530664.713226...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU? [SOLVED]
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 16:08, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com said: understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Do I just need to select the correct AFAIK you have to reinstall with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso Because adding a foreign architecture is only for adding its libraries to run some applications, not for running its kernel. Hugo After re-installing off of a usb stick with the debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso image, I did the following: Installed qemu-kvm, libvirt-bin, virt-manager, and virt-viewer Added the physical volume I want my VMs on Extended the volume group Created the new logical volume Formatted and mounted it to /var/lib/libvirt/images Launched Virtual Machine Manager I was then able to create a new VM with 3072 MB of RAM, so it looks like my choice of install image was the issue. Thanks to all for the help. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358543052.75231...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Friday, January 18, 2013 11:13, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com said: On Vi, 18 ian 13, 10:26:10, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I used the i386 net install image, and selected the (if I remember correctly) i686-3.2.0-4-pae kernel. Are you saying that should have installed the 64-bit kernel or that I got the 32-bit kernel I did't realize I was asking for? The 686-pae kernel is 32-bit, nothing strange here. However, in your OP you mentioned not being able to allocate more than 2 GB with qemu. Unless this is some limitation of qemu it should have worked with the -686-pae kernel, which is why I thought the installer got the -486 (non-pae) kernel for you (which would have been a bug). This is a problem with qemu. I seem to have missed the line about except 64-bit guests on 32-bit hosts Reloading with the amd64 iso image has resolved the problems. I just allocated 3073 MB to a vm with no problem. Thanks for your time! Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358543235.79938...@webmail.gtek.biz
32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
Hello all, I have a fairly modern Desktop PC with two Intel Xeon X5690 Processors. It appears the default install of Wheezy installed a 32-bit kernel, because qemu will not allow me to allocate more than 2047MB of RAM. How can I verify that is the case, and if so, can anyone point me to anything that might help me understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Do I just need to select the correct ARCH (which I'm getting ready to try in the meantime)? Regards, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358449786.68023...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 13:13, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: can anyone point me to anything that might help me understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Regards, Craig SImply download the correct arch, which is named amd64 (it is ok for intel proc too) Didn't know that (ok for intel)! So you're saying to just install the linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package? That's certainly easier than compiling a Kernel. Thanks! Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358452424.19144...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 14:33, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: Le 17.01.2013 20:53, cr...@gtek.biz a écrit : On Thursday, January 17, 2013 13:13, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: can anyone point me to anything that might help me understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Regards, Craig SImply download the correct arch, which is named amd64 (it is ok for intel proc too) Didn't know that (ok for intel)! So you're saying to just install the linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package? That's certainly easier than compiling a Kernel. Thanks! Sent - Gtek Web Mail Hum... this might be an option, but the easier is to install from the amd64 iso, since with only the kernel using amd64, you will not have benefits from your x86_64 arch. So just do a clean install? That I can do, but not today then. FWIW, installing just the package did not resolve the qemu error. I do get an x86-64 option in the Virtual Machine Manager now, but I still fail with the same qemu: at most 2047 MB RAM can be simulated error. I am not even sure that installing that kernel is hard. About compiling, modern linux distributions need really few compiling, and only for very rare cases (rare softwares, enabling a specific option...). Except for source distros like gentoo, of course. You're likely right. I haven't had to compile a kernel in a while. I usually get to do that when I'm building a production server since I like to go module-less then. I'm just lost now because I haven't had to mess with a 64-bit system before, other than my AMD64 desktop at home. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358455447.26530...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: 32-bit Kernel on 64-bit CPU?
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 15:30, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com said: I have a fairly modern Desktop PC with two Intel Xeon X5690 Processors. It appears the default install of Wheezy installed a 32-bit kernel, because qemu will not allow me to allocate more than 2047MB of RAM. How can I verify that is the case, and if so, can anyone point me to anything that might help me understand how to get a 64-bit kernel? Do I just need to select the correct ARCH (which I'm getting ready to try in the meantime)? What's the output of dpkg --print-architecture dpkg --print-foreign-architectures [my-desktop:~]$ dpkg --print-architecture i386 [my-desktop:~]$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures [my-desktop:~]$ I assume, after a quick search of man dpkg, that I should probably add the correct architecture? Or is this telling us that I installed from the i386 netinst iso (which I did), and that I need to re-install from the amd64? Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1358459117.324528...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: lightdm login screen minor issue
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 05:39, Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net said: Hello cr...@gtek.biz, what a wonderful name :) cr...@gtek.biz wrote: At the login screen, there are two buttons in the top right-hand corner, one for switching hi-contrast and large fonts on or off, and the other for restarting or shutting the system down. That power button has no functionality to it. When I click on it, a blank panel opens and there is nothing to click on. I am at a loss trying to figure out what drives that missing functionality. Can anyone give me a nudge in the right direction? What packages related to lightdm do you have installed? To check, try something like # dpkg -l lightdm* Do you have upower installed? lightdm suggests it, and it appears to be related to system-wide power management. Again, try # dpkg -l upower to see if/what is installed. Best, Claudius Hi Claudius As requested: $ dpkg -l lightdm* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionArchitecture Description +++-===-==-==-=== ii lightdm 1.2.2-4i386 simple display manager un lightdm-greeter none(no description available) un lightdm-gtk none(no description available) ii lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.1.6-2i386 simple display manager (GTK+ greeter) $ dpkg -l upower Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionArchitecture Description +++-===-==-==-=== ii upower 0.9.17-1 i386 abstraction for power management Looks like I've got both installed correctly. I did compare the full dpkg list on this system and another system that installed all of the task recommends, and I don't see any power related packages that are missing. This is not a do or die situation, but I would like to understand what I may have missed. I appreciate the suggestions. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1357044950.048131...@webmail.gtek.biz
lightdm login screen minor issue
Good evening, I am trying to install a minimalist install with an XFCE desktop environment on an old laptop. I did a clean install of wheezy, and deselected all tasks during the install. I then booted and launched aptitude with the --without-recomends option, and installed the task-xfce-desktop task. The resulting environment was a bit less than I wanted, but I was able to get everything going, with one minor exception. At the login screen, there are two buttons in the top right-hand corner, one for switching hi-contrast and large fonts on or off, and the other for restarting or shutting the system down. That power button has no functionality to it. When I click on it, a blank panel opens and there is nothing to click on. I am at a loss trying to figure out what drives that missing functionality. Can anyone give me a nudge in the right direction? Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356923962.5388...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: xen on wheezy
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 19:55, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com said: I would restart at the beginning: http://www.xen.org/support/documentation.html http://wiki.debian.org/Xen Well I've been through those, and several other pages. The only real difference is I'm using Lilo instead of Grub. I found Grub far too poorly documented to be useful many years ago (one of the reasons I gave up on Red Hat and went to Debian), and it doesn't look like it's gotten much better (22 man pages!?). I figured a boot loader is a boot loader? I think your problem is something other than just the bootloader. That's why I suggested starting over at the beginning. I think you missed installing something or mis-installed something. Check the hardware compatibility section of the Debian wiki, too. As far as help with lilo: It's been so long since I worked with it (8 years?) I'd have to learn it all over. But in the Xen home link, under Beginner's docs--right side of page, in the sidebar--it gives you generic step-by-step instructions, plus, IIRC, a bootloader config file example. Maybe, that will help some. At least, give you an idea of what the stanza is suppose to look like. Well I've got a fresh set of eyes this morning, and you are most likely right that I've missed something. I will go back through and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the pointers. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356707502.145230...@webmail.gtek.biz
xen on wheezy
I am trying to learn virtualization with Xen on Wheezy. I have installed Wheezy on an old AMD Athlon XP system, and installed the xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-686-pae metapackage. I understand that I also need ...a kernel specifically crafted to work as the Domain 0, mediating hardware access for XEN itself. Must I build that kernel, or is there a package that contains the kernel? The metapackage installation installed several other packages, and there is a file in /boot by the name of xen-4.1-i386.gz, but when I try to point lilo.conf to it, I get a fatal error from lilo: Setup length exceeds 63 maximum; kernel setup will overwrite boot loader Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1356633196.079130...@webmail.gtek.biz
