Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
The technology is there to send large files easily. Embed a URL into an email message and most email clients will automatically launch either the FTP client to get the file, or the browser which has FTP capabilities to get the file. That's fine if you have a nice little linux box, with a static IP. The 99.5% of the planet that doesn't is screwed. If you don't want large attachments, then set sendmail (or whatever else you're using) to reject it. You shouldn't hope that others follow the rules, protect your system and don't care what they're doing. This is the proper thing to do since it then lets the other end decide not only *IF* they want the file, but *when* then want the file. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwGoVXpf7K2LbpnFEQLd7wCgmnFvZT7HoLS//8DiYB+i/AjNRXwAn3Vz zL1W9KRssdFPIKrw42S8zPuh =ncVg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: RedHat = MS-Linux???
If you go to the Third World and find 100 people who have never tasted ketchup before, you find out two things: one is that people don't actually like tomato ketchup, the other is that they dislike all ketchups equally. I vastly prefer catsup, it's so much better than the so-called ketchup. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: RedHat = MS-Linux???
If you go to the Third World and find 100 people who have never tasted ketchup before, you find out two things: one is that people don't actually like tomato ketchup, the other is that they dislike all ketchups equally. I vastly prefer catsup, it's so much better than the so-called ketchup. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: The GNU thing
The key thing is that GCC was responsible for creating Linux. The other programs would have been written if they didn't already exist. Since they DID already exist, there was no point in wasting the effort to reinvent wheels and these other programs were SUPPOSED to be free. Now we see that there is a big giant string attached to using them. You can use them but you have to attach the letters GNU/ to your system if you do. I simply think it is in poor taste for Stallman to make this argument and this is the first comment Linus has ever said even remotely near the issue in public. Basicly he said that the GNU project is of little/no importance to Linux and I agree. If the GNU project had been the first to bundle Linux with the other GNU programs, they might have a claim. Since others simply grabbed the GNU stuff because it was handy, RMS has no claim. The thing will probably backfire in his face. In the desire to be truly free there has already started at least one effort to port the BSD stuff. There is no use in arguing about what is the correct name, if you produce a distribution, you are free to call it whatever you want. The problem is that nobody should have the right to tell someone else what to name their stuff. It is a freedom issue. I would have second thoughts about using some free software and then have the people that gave me the software try to dictate to me additional terms not in the license after the fact. Anything that is not in the license cannot be forced on you. All (I think) stallmann wants is a little recognition. A lot of people seem to think the world revolves around Linus, but without all of the thousands of people who've helped him, his kernel would be nothing but an lone experiment slowly disappearing as the floppies it was stored on degrade. The GNU stuff is very nice and very important, just like the kernel. If GNU had never existed I think linux would finally reach its current state around 2007. In the mean time I'd have no choice except MS2000 and Solaris x86. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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From: Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-Users debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point? Would such a redhat CEO consider the ideas of the Linux Developers as important as the marketing strategies of his new parent company? To be fair, RH has handled itself very 'honorably' up to this point, but as RH becomes increasing popular (or is bought out), will it continue to consider the larger Linux community? That's the question. And the answer is simple: Debian. And I currently have no real complaint about RedHat Inc., and as long as they are reasonably independent I doubt I ever will. Will RH Linux become secondary to the success of a proprietary version of unix? Maybe. Hopefully Debian won't. I don't see this. While Linux (regardless of which distribution we are talking about) might not affect the mainstream PC OS market any time in the future, its effect on the Unix world will be more pronounced and imminent. After all these years, no proprietary unix has come to dominate the Unix world, though they tried. For middle and low end uses as a server OS, Linux is ideal (if there is commercial support for it). I just don't see a commercial unix taking over, and pushing Linux aside (unless this commercial unix actually goes OpenSource). I don't see any proprietary version of unix taking linux as a whole over, but I think a commercial unix vendor could purchase a company selling a particular distro of linux and negatively influencing the distro's development. They could use this as a wedge to cause problems within the Linux world (my paranoid side), but mainly I see the commercial distribution being modified in ways that damage its long-term viability as an alternative OS. Demanding special hardware support and special customization to make it more compatible with the commercial unix. (Smoothing the upgrade path, ie from a cheapo Linux x86 to a real unix on a risc-box) Which could be a great problem if the most popular (and enduser friendly) version slowly gets strangled by a commercial unix vendor. I think commercial vendors of unix will fight against linux just as they fight eachother. They want control, rather than merely what is best for the customer. The issue is how can Debian survive in a market where RH has become an 800 pound gorilla, and we're not talking about the personal end user market. The middle and low end of the server OS market is at the center of this topic. Debian will always be non-commercial, thats not at issue, nor will it disappear (if the polls are right, Deb may be #2 right now). Can a commercial company (which will be able to provide commercial level support) using Deb as its base distribution, ensure Deb's popularity in the market that matters at this time? Or can Deb keep up with RH in terms of market share, without a commercial company giving it visibility and 'legitimacy' in the server OS arena? Then what is debian? A developer-only version linux? And is linux nothing but a cheaper, more efficent way to make a fileserver, webserver, etc. Or is it an alternative OS, that is dedicated to Open Source and Open Protocols. A distro that really supports the GPL. Having companies that provide support for Debian is a great, the more the merrier, but we should be very cautious. One, Large Debian Support, Inc making it's own distro with Debian as a base could become a 800lb gorilla just as bad as microsoft or RH could ever be. This industry is full of people and companies with great ideas getting totally screwed by someone with a bigger marketing budget. The issue is how can Debian survive in a market where RH has become an 800 pound gorilla, and we're not talking about the personal end user market. The middle and low end of the server OS market is at the center of this topic. Debian will always be non-commercial, thats not at issue, nor will it disappear (if the polls are right, Deb may be #2 right now). Can a commercial company (which will be able to provide commercial level support) using Deb as its base distribution, ensure Deb's popularity in the market that matters at this time? Or can Deb keep up with RH in terms of market share, without a commercial company giving it visibility and 'legitimacy' in the server OS arena? I think debian can disappear, if it doesn't have a real percentage of enduser desktops. Anyone who ignores enduser desktops is setting debian up for a rerun of Apple Incorporated. So many experts consider endusers as stupid worthless people, but everyone starts out as one. Hand them a Windows2000/MSN box, a Sun Netbox or a WebTV and they probably will just point and click for the rest of their lives. If instead they got a fully configured (Debian) Linux box, which they could tinker on, with lots of useful help files, and pointers to info and decent books then they could find out how cool computers can really be. If linux and debian is going
Re: I can't believe this
Could you tell me how? From: Lawrence Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: I can't believe this Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) Well I have to say that setting up ppp in debian was the easyist, of all the Linux distros and any other OS I have installed. *--* Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *--* Voice: 425.739.4247 *--* Fax: 425.827.9577 *--* HTTP://www.otak-k.com/~lawrence/ -- - - - - - - O t a k i n c . - - - - - On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:52:46 -0500, Ben Collins wrote: I think these criticisms are overstated in many cases. Ever try to get ppp running on Solaris? I have installed many distributions. The initial install is only a portion of the problem. The rest comes in getting the system configured the way that you need it. That is where Debian excels. Yes, I have gotten Solaris's PPP configured and, yes it did suck royally. But that's not the point, Debian does have short comings, and poeple are aware of them. No matter how much they overstated it, we need to address these issues. I personally don't think that the PPP setup needs work. I found it quite simple. So simple that the first time I set up Debian I missed it and feel like a complete putz. Windows PPP setup is harder because it is in several different and non-obvious places. Sure, Debian may have problems, but this isn't one of them. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuQ9gnpf7K2LbpnFEQIL0QCfe3wchfP4+wTeVSx6FEo4nk7YUGwAn0Cj N1LV3Mtqo1PHoAAZuDpQ5zTf =orQE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: what's the best html wordprocessor?
vi works best. There are few things worse than editing WSIWYG produced html. From: George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Puri [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: what's the best html wordprocessor? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:55:42 -0800 (PST) On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Paul Puri wrote: StarWriter is the best I've seen so far for Linux. The memory needs for this thing can be a bit too high for most users though. I can't wait to check out what the gnome word processor will do. Word perfect also has an html composer mode and I think LyX will allow you to save as html. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?
Your thinking of the personal user, which isn't Linux's strongsuit right now. Corporate customers are looking at the Calderas and RedHatters of the Linux distributions. Without commercial support, they won't even bother to *look* at Debian. Without the attention of the corporate world, Debian won't get enough advertising, or word of mouth, to become a player in the end user market (whenever it develops). -- Ed C. I don't think that is such a bad thing for debian to remain non-commercial. What happens when RH or caldera becomes 50.0001% owned by a company like Sun, HP or Novell? Do these companies act any different than M$? Would such a redhat CEO consider the ideas of the Linux Developers as important as the marketing strategies of his new parent company? Will RH Linux become secondary to the success of a proprietary version of unix? Maybe. Hopefully Debian won't. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
