Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 09:27:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open I read this already when the thread started. Regarding to cassette tapes of what kind ever, I only have good experiences with - professional video recorders - professional

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Doug
On 7/16/2013 4:30 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open I read this already when the thread started. Regarding to cassette tapes of what kind ever, I only have good experiences with -

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open Been there, done that. They're lovely. But as best I remember, LTO didn't exist (or it was preposterously expensive) 10 or 12 years ago, when I was looking for what I would

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:10:57 +0200, Glenn English g...@slsware.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open Been there, done that. They're lovely. But as best I remember, LTO didn't exist (or it was

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The bigger issue would be to have good backup tapes, but a broken drive and not to get a new drive anymore ;). Very correct. I've spent some 50 years dealing with analog audio tape, and a few with digital tape. And like the earlier poster

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 14:03 -0600, Glenn English wrote: I can't imagine how many studios and artists have lost their masters... We had this issue with BASF video tapes in the 80s. In the VTR room at least two machines were running the whole day, just to copy the tapes that were not completely

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-15 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 12.07.2013 um 15:43 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: CDs, DVDs and USB sticks etc. aren't safe medias. I guess we all experienced that data is less safe on those medias. Never experienced data loss with USB or SD-cards. The most common problem are users not using safely remove. Another is

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 13/07/13 01:53 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 09:06 +1000, Charlie wrote: I think it's a lot about where you store them that affects their lifespan? Correct but even some that were in the sunlight for around 10 years here still are ok, OTOH some that were protected are

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:04 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: However it's a lot easier to make multiple copies of a disc than it is to make multiple copies of a tape or hard disk drive. Duplicating by e.g. cp -pr hard_disk_1 hard_disk_2 IMO is easier and faster than split and burn a CD or DVD. A hard

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 13/07/13 04:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:04 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: However it's a lot easier to make multiple copies of a disc than it is to make multiple copies of a tape or hard disk drive. Duplicating by e.g. cp -pr hard_disk_1 hard_disk_2 IMO is easier and

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:42 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: Drives are subject to mechanical wear and electrical failure. They can fail even when not being used because bearings can stick, etc.. Drop one and it may become a paperweight. I don't even trust HDs in my computer, which is why I only run

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I forgot to mention that we experience floppy disks as very reliable, but useless for data of modern computers, because of the low amount of data that can be stored. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Am Samstag, 13. Juli 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: I forgot to mention that we experience floppy disks as very reliable, but useless for data of modern computers, because of the low amount of data that can be stored. Don't know, if these are already mentionened. There are Datadisks called worms

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Hans, nice information to learn something new :), but I suspect they don't make sense for home usage. On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 17:26 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Worms look like DVD's, its capacity is about 10GB. Those are used by some German government to store important data like

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10 DLT tapes have had no failures in 10+ years. And they don't seem to care much about being dropped (on a carpeted floor; I haven't

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
This seems not to be a solution for most of us. Regards, Ralf Yeah, it was just an idea. :) However, for backup purposes, my solutions are the following: Solution 1: If you have another server available, use rsync and make two copies. First one, just copy all files to a folder on the

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Huh, and I forgot to mention back-in-time. Based on rsync, nice tool, and there is a debian package available. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10 DLT tapes I don't know DLT, but many people I know and myself have

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:56 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Harddrives are cheap now, but as Ralf already mentioned, if they fall down, you get a brick. It wasn't me, I'm using an USB drive, I just removed gvfs to avoid spinning down and up again and again, when the drive is connected and most of

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Dom
On 13/07/13 20:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10 DLT tapes I don't know DLT, but

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:58 +0100, Dom wrote: DLT has a single spool in the cart (the other being in the drive), a fast moving tape and stationary read/write head. The tapes are also much bigger and wider. I've found them to be very reliable over the years. Thank you, I already have seen

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Spaghettied tapes are a common issue for DAT, since DDS is the same I won't trust it and I suspect DLT doesn't differ much. Yes, it does. DLT is quite different from DDS -- it's not a helical system like VHS and DDS. It has several tracks on

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Dom
On 13/07/13 21:17, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:58 +0100, Dom wrote: DLT has a single spool in the cart (the other being in the drive), a fast moving tape and stationary read/write head. The tapes are also much bigger and wider. I've found them to be very reliable over the

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:54 +0100, Dom wrote: No wrecked DLT tapes? A couple caused by faulty old drives. It's the same for DAT. A faulty old DVDRAM drive usually doesn't damage the DVDRAMs. A few out of several hundred. I've had worse failure rates from other media. The same as for DAT,

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Teemu Likonen
Intense Red [2013-07-11 23:54:04 -04:00] wrote: Is there any copy program that would logically copy/backup to a DVD and use some intelligence to copy/backup the files so that the DVDs get filled up? Not exactly what you imagined but maybe consider dar too. It's like tar but more convenient as

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1373622656.697.21.camel@archlinux

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. And for musik, foto etc. I have 4 external USB-HDDs, each 0.5 - 1 TB. Burning DVDs is too much work. Helmut

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. And for musik, foto etc. I have 4 external

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. And for

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:34 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup?

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - From: Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy electronic music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and store them on my file server

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 12:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:34 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 12:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: But keep in mind that you don't have a true backup of those music CDs unless you're encoding them in a lossless format such as flac. +1 Even if double-blind-tests should show that losses shouldn't be needed, the main argument is just in case

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 12:29 PM, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Intense Redintns...@golgotha.net Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy electronic music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - From: Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com Good point about the use of FLAC instead of ogg. However, I wouldn't advise a USB hard drive for backup. The problem is that they are prone to failure (as is any mechanical system), are expensive, and you need multiple drives

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hahaha :D The more backups the better. If you use GNOME or XFCE + an external USB device that does fulfill the EU regulations, then - disconnect the drive when it isn't needed - remove gvfs, so the drive won't spin down and up again and again _home solutions_ are _home solutions_ are _home

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 12:57 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: A friend of mine told me once that his company had archived some customer data on CD-R, but years later they found that the CDs were de-laminating. Not for CDs, here they are borked without such an issue after a short period. In the 80s I

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Charlie
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens row...@ptd.net sent this: - Original Message - From: Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com Good point about the use of FLAC instead of ogg. However, I wouldn't advise a USB hard drive for backup. The problem is that they are prone

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 09:06 +1000, Charlie wrote: I think it's a lot about where you store them that affects their lifespan? Correct but even some that were in the sunlight for around 10 years here still are ok, OTOH some that were protected are broken after a few weeks. CD and DVD aren't good

*Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Intense Red
Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy electronic music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and store them on my file server. (The CDs go into the basement.) Great, I'm happy. I have 12-15 GB of Ogg files

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/12/13, Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote: Okay, here's a different backup software question. ... audio files etc ... Does anyone have a suggestion for a smart copy program that will logically copy portions of a subdirectory tree in 4.4GB chunks? TIA. jigdo And see also JTE

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread David Guntner
Intense Red grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy electronic music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and store them on my file server. (The CDs go into the basement

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/12/13, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/12/13, Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote: Okay, here's a different backup software question. ... audio files etc ... Does anyone have a suggestion for a smart copy program that will logically copy portions

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-14 Thread Juan Sierra Pons
2012/2/13 Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net: I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup packages that offer backup of one host by another

Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Paul E Condon
I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup packages that offer backup of one host by another host all involve creating a special ssh password for the

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 02/13/2012 06:36 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup packages that offer backup of one host by another host

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Davies
Alex Mestiashvili a...@biotec.tu-dresden.de wrote: I would simply use a passwordless ssh-key with a wrapper on the remote side which allows to run only the backup command . I'd agree with this, but use passwordless public/private keys with a restricted target command. See man sshd and the

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Jochen Spieker
Paul E Condon: I have discovered an alternative to a passwordless private ssh key in the Debian package repository. (Not a great feat for a normal Debian user, but I am specially challenged.) The package in question is 'sshpass'. It allows one to write a script that feeds a password to the

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Karl Vogel
Alex Mestiashvili a...@biotec.tu-dresden.de wrote: A I would simply use a passwordless ssh-key with a wrapper on the remote A side which allows to run only the backup command . On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:51:26 +, Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk said: C I'd agree with this, but use

Re: Backup Software

2011-08-12 Thread Chris Davies
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: writing the include/exclude filter for the underlying rsync is non-trivial --- should I write an exclude for the private key in .ssh/ ? Etc. I make a backup of my (work) laptop both to a system at the office (which in turn gets backed up to tape)

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-25 Thread Tixy
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:41 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:37:34 +0200, lee wrote: Gpg is one of the basic programs that should be installed. On what OSes? :-) If it isn't, it doesn't hurt to install it. Yes, but for backup files I prefer to do not add an extra

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:37:34 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I prefer to avoid for backups. What is incompatible

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110722_181654, Siard wrote: Michael Checca: Camaleón: Ethan Rosenberg: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression +1 for simplicity :) Nowadays' harddisks have plenty of space, so I would make it even

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:44 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression tar + compression + encryption :-) -- Tixy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:10:34 +0100, Tixy wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:44 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression tar + compression +

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I prefer to avoid for backups. What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then encrypting it with gpg? -- http://www.asciiribbon.org/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I prefer to avoid for backups. What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then encrypting it with gpg? Nothing... unless

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I prefer to avoid for backups. What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
mark wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 11:52:45 pm Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? I've used mondoarchive for years. It works and is well supported by the author and community. It is NOT GUI based.

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Checca
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:44:50 -0400, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression Greetings, +1 for simplicity :) I've used this

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Siard
Michael Checca: Camaleón: Ethan Rosenberg: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression +1 for simplicity :) Nowadays' harddisks have plenty of space, so I would make it even simpler: cp -a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread lee
Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net writes: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media is and on a lot of other factors. And what is a stand-alone computer? -- html messages are

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Johann Spies
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net writes: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media is and on a lot of other factors.

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Johann Spies jsp...@sun.ac.za wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net writes: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? That depends on what you want to

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/07/11 13:52, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? Thank you. Ethan Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) Back In Time keeps gui users happy. Cheers -- Today a young man on acid realized that all

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Johann Spies jsp...@sun.ac.za wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net writes: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Michel Blankleder
On Thursday 21 July 2011 00:52:45 Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? Thank you. Ethan Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) To keep synced files, Luckybackup worked for me. M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread mark
On Thursday 21 July 2011 2:20:26 am lee wrote: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net writes: That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media is and on a lot of other factors. And what is a stand-alone computer? A stand alone computer has two legs and no significant other.

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread mark
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 11:52:45 pm Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? I've used mondoarchive for years. It works and is well supported by the author and community. It is NOT GUI based. This is a

Backup Software

2011-07-20 Thread Ethan Rosenberg
Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? Thank you. Ethan Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-20 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
clonezilla it does block level backup, only backup the space that has been used and compress it. cold backup which means you have to boot to a live cd or plug your hard disk to a system with clonezilla to back up. 2011/7/21 Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net Dear List - What software would

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-09-13 Thread Markus Boas
Am Mittwoch 03 Mai 2006 21:19 schrieb Thomas Wegner: Am Mittwoch, den 03.05.2006, 08:53 +0200 schrieb Peter Velan: Hallo Peter! War das mal kostenfrei (und ist es nun nicht mehr), oder bin ich zu blöd diese American-Business-Way-of-Cauderwelsh Website richtig abzugrasen? Der Download ist

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-09-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Markus Boas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch 03 Mai 2006 21:19 schrieb Thomas Wegner: Am Mittwoch, den 03.05.2006, 08:53 +0200 schrieb Peter Velan: War das mal kostenfrei (und ist es nun nicht mehr), oder bin ich zu blöd diese American-Business-Way-of-Cauderwelsh Website richtig

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-03 Thread Peter Velan
am 2006-05-03 07:17 schrieb Thomas Wegner: Am Dienstag, den 02.05.2006, 08:55 +0200 schrieb Peter Velan: ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Ich kann Dir kurz von meiner Odyssee berichten. Ich hatte auch diverse Tools durchprobiert, habe Sie aber entweder nicht

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-03 Thread Peter Timm
Peter Velan wrote: am 2006-05-02 07:50 schrieb Michael Müller: Peter Velan schrieb: ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. wie wär's denn mit den guten alten Kandidaten tar oder cpio? Na klar! Doch was ich suche ist ein Skript (dass intern höchstwahrscheinlich mit

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-03 Thread Peter Velan
am 2006-05-03 08:58 schrieb Peter Timm: Peter Velan wrote: am 2006-05-02 07:50 schrieb Michael Müller: Peter Velan schrieb: ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. wie wär's denn mit den guten alten Kandidaten tar oder cpio? Na klar! Doch was ich suche ist ein Skript

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-03 Thread Thomas Wegner
Am Mittwoch, den 03.05.2006, 08:53 +0200 schrieb Peter Velan: Hallo Peter! War das mal kostenfrei (und ist es nun nicht mehr), oder bin ich zu blöd diese American-Business-Way-of-Cauderwelsh Website richtig abzugrasen? Der Download ist hier: http://www.arkeia.com/arkeialight.html als

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Jan Kesten
Hallo, Peter :-) ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Hehe :-) Einfach ist gut - also tar, cpio. Nur rate ich dringend davon ab, selbst die Daten auf dem Band zu komprimieren, denn wenn mal ein Bit kippt, dann kann es Dir im Fall der Fälle passieren, dass die Daten auf

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Peter Velan
am 2006-05-02 07:50 schrieb Michael Müller: Peter Velan schrieb: ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. wie wär's denn mit den guten alten Kandidaten tar oder cpio? Na klar! Doch was ich suche ist ein Skript (dass intern höchstwahrscheinlich mit tar, cpio, etc.

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Peter Velan
am 2006-05-02 08:22 schrieb Jan Kesten: Hallo, Peter :-) ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Hehe :-) Einfach ist gut - also tar, cpio. Nur rate ich dringend davon ab, selbst die Daten auf dem Band zu komprimieren, denn wenn mal ein Bit kippt, dann kann es Dir im

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Roland M. Kruggel
Am Montag, 1. Mai 2006 17:10 schrieb Peter Velan: Hallo, ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. [...] - dirs einmal voll bz2-komprimiert aufs Band schreiben Grundsätzlich VORSICHT bei gepackten Datensicherungen! Du kannst für deine Anforderungen tar, cpio oder afio

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Peter Velan
am 2006-05-02 10:52 schrieb Roland M. Kruggel: Am Montag, 1. Mai 2006 17:10 schrieb Peter Velan: Hallo, ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. [...] - dirs einmal voll bz2-komprimiert aufs Band schreiben Grundsätzlich VORSICHT bei gepackten Datensicherungen! Danke,

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-02 Thread Thomas Wegner
Am Dienstag, den 02.05.2006, 08:55 +0200 schrieb Peter Velan: Hallo Peter! ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Ich kann Dir kurz von meiner Odyssee berichten. Ich hatte auch diverse Tools durchprobiert, habe Sie aber entweder nicht eingerichtet bekommen oder irgendwann

Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-01 Thread Peter Velan
Hallo, ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Habe mir die tollen Pakete amanda, bacula, afbackup angesehen, finde die aber heftig überladen. Ich brauche keine Bandroboter-Steuerung oder ausgeklügelte Server/Client-Konzepte. Mir reicht: - dirs einmal voll bz2-komprimiert

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-01 Thread Sven Hartge
Peter Velan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - dirs einmal voll bz2-komprimiert aufs Band schreiben Schlecht. Komprimierte Backups sind keine Backups, sondern im dümmsten Fall (also immer genau dann, wenn ein Restore ansteht) nur noch weisses Rauschen. Lieber, wenn es schon Kompression sein muss, die

Re: Tape Backup Software Empfehlung

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Müller
Peter Velan schrieb: Hallo, ich suche eine *einfache* Software, die Tape-Backups steuert. Habe mir die tollen Pakete amanda, bacula, afbackup angesehen, finde die aber heftig überladen. Ich brauche keine Bandroboter-Steuerung oder ausgeklügelte Server/Client-Konzepte. Mir reicht: - dirs

REQUEST: Good backup software for DVDs

2005-12-14 Thread Brad Sims
I have used Mondorescue and like it but the time involved ~12hrs for 180GB is just too much, I would like to be able to insert the first disk of foo, have it be able to repartition/format the drives as needed but take less time to run than mondo currently does. As I understand it Mondo is

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-09 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:03:47 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. Possibly, but to be fair, I didn't say it; I was forwarding a posting. Also, it was

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Steve Lamb
David E. Fox wrote: You might check this posting[1] on Mandrake expert advocating highly redundant rar files for the backups. Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. Also, with tar or gzip, you

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Mal Beaton
until I ran out of room, upon which I would do another full backup. My 2 cents - there is some good backup software out there, but if you can cobble something together with 'tar' or some other standard tool, you might be better off - especially when you have to do a full restore. Of course, you

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Steve Lamb
Mal Beaton wrote: rsync to get a complete picture of the system then rdiff-backup for incremental changes. I actually keep a seperate old box with big disks just for the backup. I like rdiff-backup as you can do such stuff as restore this file as it was x days ago. Beats having to dig out the

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
which I would do another full backup. My 2 cents - there is some good backup software out there, but if you can cobble something together with 'tar' or some other standard tool, you might be better off - especially when you have to do a full restore. Of course, you have to have enough of the system

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:17:14 -0300 Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread Lorenzo Taylor
I'm not sure about the recovery data, but p7zip will handle multivolume archives and has a superior compression ratio to rar. Plus it is GPL. Lorenzo -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv--

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-26 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jun 25 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote: Except, of course for the CD-RWs, which I found a nuisance to erase. I'vr gone the dismountable hard disk route, and haven't regretted it. Have you ever used a DVD+RW? You need no stinking erase phase. Just record over it and you're done. Using DVD-RWs is

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:27AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: Using an extra 300GB disk is out of the question and that's precisely why I was asking about other's experiences regarding removeable media. And later, Alvin Oga wrote: I'm still open to suggestions

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Adam Hardy
On 21/06/05 15:22 Rogério Brito wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Hardy wrote: Does anyone backup to DVD? How many gigs can you fit on a DVD? I backup certain files and directories to DVD all the time. DVD will hold 4.7GB. Of course, if you backup using compression you can fit much more than 4.7GB on a DVD.

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