Re: Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-17 Thread pcr
Thanks Tixy,  Ill try that.  In summary, I found debian buster with 
gnome on rpi4 to be good enough for everyday browsing, online banking 
and shopping, etc.  Its not for gamers, and there are issues with some 
things.


For example I installed wxMaxima as a replacement for REDUCE and while 
my script ran correctly, It reported a Lisp error, a condition in PROGN 
that I haven't figured out yet.  I also tried to run an application I 
wrote that uses meson and ninja, and I got a message that implied 
libgtkmm-3.0 has a different path on ARM. Instead of 
/usr/lib/x86-64-linux-gnu/,  it is under /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/.


Next I am going to try the tested Bullseye image to see how things have 
changed.


On 7/17/21 10:01 AM, Tixy wrote:

On Fri, 2021-07-16 at 16:34 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

pcr [2021-07-16 20:28:01] wrote:

Yesterday I had good luck with LibreCAD, did a nice drawing without any
trouble; today, however, I failed to install REDUCE-algebra, because there
is no version for ARM.  I tried to get the source and compile it myself, but
that meant installing Subversion, and they don't have an ARM version
either.

That's weird.  I'd expect `subversion` to be in Debian and to compile
for ARM without any particular problem.

Looks like it's available for arm64 architecture since Stretch...
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=subversion





Re: Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-17 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2021-07-16 at 16:34 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> pcr [2021-07-16 20:28:01] wrote:
> > Yesterday I had good luck with LibreCAD, did a nice drawing without any
> > trouble; today, however, I failed to install REDUCE-algebra, because there
> > is no version for ARM.  I tried to get the source and compile it myself, but
> > that meant installing Subversion, and they don't have an ARM version
> > either.
> 
> That's weird.  I'd expect `subversion` to be in Debian and to compile
> for ARM without any particular problem.

Looks like it's available for arm64 architecture since Stretch...
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=subversion

-- 
Tixy



Re: Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
pcr [2021-07-16 20:28:01] wrote:
> Yesterday I had good luck with LibreCAD, did a nice drawing without any
> trouble; today, however, I failed to install REDUCE-algebra, because there
> is no version for ARM.  I tried to get the source and compile it myself, but
> that meant installing Subversion, and they don't have an ARM version
> either.

That's weird.  I'd expect `subversion` to be in Debian and to compile
for ARM without any particular problem.

> Today I was unable to get Zoom for ARM;
> I'm beginning to see a pattern :-)

As a general rule, Free Software should work just fine, but proprietary
software will be problematic because they only provide binaries for the
most common platforms.


Stefan



Re: Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-16 Thread pcr
Yesterday I had good luck with LibreCAD, did a nice drawing without any 
trouble; today, however, I failed to install REDUCE-algebra, because 
there is no version for ARM.  I tried to get the source and compile it 
myself, but that meant installing Subversion, and they don't have an ARM 
version either.  Today I was unable to get Zoom for ARM;  I'm beginning 
to see a pattern :-)


On 7/15/21 8:39 PM, Josef Strýček wrote:

Hi,
Debian on Pi4 have disabled 3D acceleration, so it makes desktop slow and  
bugs. It can solve upgrade kernel to 5.10 from buster-backports or if you are 
on bullseye only upgrade.

Good luck, Josef


15. 7. 2021 20:50:46 pcr :


Recently I flashed the 20200210 build of debian to a 128 GB A2 SanDisk
micro sd card and I have been using in in in my raspberry pi.  I
recently lost my desktop to a crash, so I am temporarily relying on the
Pi.  So far it pretty good, about as fast as my old i3 laptop; one bug,
however, is a black rectangle that appears on the middle of my screen
occasionally.  It goes away if I right click-left click, or if I waggle
the mouse pointer over the black rectangle, so it remains usable.  Ill
let you know how it goes.






Re: Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-15 Thread Josef Strýček
Hi,
Debian on Pi4 have disabled 3D acceleration, so it makes desktop slow and  
bugs. It can solve upgrade kernel to 5.10 from buster-backports or if you are 
on bullseye only upgrade.

Good luck, Josef


15. 7. 2021 20:50:46 pcr :

> Recently I flashed the 20200210 build of debian to a 128 GB A2 SanDisk
> micro sd card and I have been using in in in my raspberry pi.  I
> recently lost my desktop to a crash, so I am temporarily relying on the
> Pi.  So far it pretty good, about as fast as my old i3 laptop; one bug,
> however, is a black rectangle that appears on the middle of my screen
> occasionally.  It goes away if I right click-left click, or if I waggle
> the mouse pointer over the black rectangle, so it remains usable.  Ill
> let you know how it goes.



Buster+Gnome on Pi4

2021-07-15 Thread pcr
Recently I flashed the 20200210 build of debian to a 128 GB A2 SanDisk 
micro sd card and I have been using in in in my raspberry pi.  I 
recently lost my desktop to a crash, so I am temporarily relying on the 
Pi.  So far it pretty good, about as fast as my old i3 laptop; one bug, 
however, is a black rectangle that appears on the middle of my screen 
occasionally.  It goes away if I right click-left click, or if I waggle 
the mouse pointer over the black rectangle, so it remains usable.  Ill 
let you know how it goes.