Re: Classic Gnubie accident SOLVED

2006-11-02 Thread anthony
Thanks Jochen, I think your mail made several reasonable points and contrary to what you say, I find it perfectly coherent. Its a tricky position to be in flailing around in a panic trying to fix a system you need to be able to work and seeing the time, or possibility of things being put back

Re: Classic Gnubie accident SOLVED

2006-11-02 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:57:00AM +, anthony wrote: Thanks Jochen, I think your mail made several reasonable points and contrary to what you say, I find it perfectly coherent. Its a tricky position to be in flailing around in a panic trying to fix a system you need to be able to work

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-11-02 Thread Gerard Robin
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 03:20:49PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: From: Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was also confused by this sub-thread, so I tried to research the girlfriend issue: $ apt-cache search girlfriend psad - The Port Scan Attack Detector $ apt-cache show psad | grep -i

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
Ron Johnson: On 10/30/06 03:04, Jochen Schulz wrote: It's not that I don't know how to start X from a console. But I (almost) always need X anyway. And apart from that, I have a non-geek girlfriend[1] using my computer from time to time. My wife was *easily* trained not to fear the

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 05:08, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/30/06 03:04, Jochen Schulz wrote: It's not that I don't know how to start X from a console. But I (almost) always need X anyway. And apart from that, I have a non-geek girlfriend[1] using

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: My wife was *easily* trained not to fear the black text screen... Heh. Mine hates GUIs. It was only a few years ago that I dragged her away from Mailx and got her to start using Mutt. She uses Firefox for the Web but complains about it. -- John Hasler -- To

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
Ron Johnson: On 10/31/06 05:08, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: Certainly your GF can be similarly trained. Well, at least not by me. I still have a hard time teaching her about the concept of files and folders. :) And what I actually find more important is that she grasps GUI

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 08:31, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/31/06 05:08, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: Certainly your GF can be similarly trained. Well, at least not by me. I still have a hard time teaching her about the concept of files and

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/06 07:35, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: My wife was *easily* trained not to fear the black text screen... Heh. Mine hates GUIs. It was only a few years ago that I dragged her away from Mailx and got her to start using Mutt.

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread anthony
So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files over from

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West
anthony wrote: So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files over

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West
Kent West wrote: anthony wrote: I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user (anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different? To get your

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Andrei Popescu
anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took the easy route, made another user, transferred the

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
[Disclaimer: writing this mail took some time and I frequently jumped from topic to topic. Please excuse me if it doesn't appear to be very coherent.] anthony: So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread W Paul Mills
Andrei Popescu wrote: anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took the easy route, made another

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Jochen Schulz
Ron Johnson: On 10/29/06 15:57, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: And then purge xdm, gdm, kdm and log in like a Real Geek. Real geeks may still have their terminals running under X. :) startx is your friend. It's not that I don't know how to start X from a console. But I (almost)

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
Hi there, I don't have a problem getting at the files, booting single user or into a failsafe terminal as myself (username=anthony) the problem is exactly how to correctly 'check/fix owner/permissions until you are happy.' I just need to know what ownership and permissions my /home/anthony folder

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/30/06 03:04, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/29/06 15:57, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: And then purge xdm, gdm, kdm and log in like a Real Geek. Real geeks may still have their terminals running under X. :) startx is your

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/30/06 05:14, anthony wrote: Hi there, I don't have a problem getting at the files, booting single user or into a failsafe terminal as myself (username=anthony) the problem is exactly how to correctly 'check/fix owner/permissions until you

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
So from failsafe terminal, after login[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ cd /home/anthony/bash: cd: /home/anthony/: Permission denied[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ pwd/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ iduid=1000(anthony) gid=1000(anthony) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),$ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ ls -l

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/30/06 06:04, anthony wrote: So from failsafe terminal, after login [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ cd /home/anthony/ bash: cd: /home/anthony/: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ pwd / [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ id uid=1000(anthony)

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Jochen Schulz
anthony: I don't have a problem getting at the files, booting single user or into a failsafe terminal as myself (username=anthony) the problem is exactly how to correctly 'check/fix owner/permissions until you are happy.' You only need chown, chmod and ls. # chown -R anthony:anthony

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
how to set these permissions?On 10/30/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1On 10/30/06 06:04, anthony wrote: So from failsafe terminal, after login [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ cd /home/anthony/ bash: cd: /home/anthony/: Permission denied [EMAIL

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
Thank youOn 10/30/06, Jochen Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anthony: I don't have a problem getting at the files, booting single user or into a failsafe terminal as myself (username=anthony) the problem is exactly how to correctly 'check/fix owner/permissions until you are happy.' You only need

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Kent West
Ron Johnson wrote: I'd there's a higher probability of creating new geeks if existing geeks reproduce. What is this reproduce of which you speak? Is that a new utility similar to cp? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:36:41 -0600, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: I'd there's a higher probability of creating new geeks if existing geeks reproduce. What is this reproduce of which you speak? Is that a new utility similar to cp? I was also confused by this sub-thread, so I

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:36:41AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: I'd there's a higher probability of creating new geeks if existing geeks reproduce. What is this reproduce of which you speak? Is that a new utility similar to cp? More like fork. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
yep, this was the sensible thing to do, but probably got lost in the noiseDon't say! Log in as root. Then:# cd /home# chmod 755 anthony# exitLog in again, now as anthony.thinking:/home/anthony# chown -R anthony:anthony /home/anthonythinking:/home/anthony# chmod 755 /home/anthony

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/06 15:57, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/29/06 15:21, anthony wrote: [snip] And then purge xdm, gdm, kdm and log in like a Real Geek. Real geeks may still have their terminals

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Kent West
anthony wrote: one other clue is that I cannot save text files logged in as anthony (i get a no space left on device error) but I can as root in the same directory Ah, then perhaps you're out of drive space on that partition. (*nix leaves a small buffer available for root to write to, which

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:52:43AM -0600, Kent West wrote: anthony wrote: one other clue is that I cannot save text files logged in as anthony (i get a no space left on device error) but I can as root in the same directory Ah, then perhaps you're out of drive space on that partition.

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
What's the result of df -h? I'm using 94% of the disk. I have deleted some stuff. I triedchmod -R 775 /home/anthonyand this allowed me to access files in my directory and some of my personal settings e.g. pal (calendar) I could start X but not fluxbox. What should the permissions be for all the

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:40AM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:36:41AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: I'd there's a higher probability of creating new geeks if existing geeks reproduce. What is this reproduce of which you speak? Is that a new

Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread anthony
Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc file has the wrong permissions - permissions should be set to 664 (its actually the

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/06 15:21, anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Jochen Schulz
Ron Johnson: On 10/29/06 15:21, anthony wrote: -rw-rw-r-- 1 anthony anthony 26 2006-09-21 18:56 /home/anthony/.dmrc but the login message is the same. Look into ~/.xsession-errors, maybe there's more info. And BTW, my ~/.dmrc is 600: -rw--- 1 jrschulz jrschulz 37 2006-08-09 10:46

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Jeff Goodman
anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc file has the wrong permissions - permissions should be set to 664

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/06 15:57, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/29/06 15:21, anthony wrote: [snip] And then purge xdm, gdm, kdm and log in like a Real Geek. Real geeks may still have their terminals running under X. :) startx is your friend. - --

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread anthony
I can get root access thru the failsafe terminal mode, but I still don't really get what is up. if I changed the permissions as myself, why cannot reset them as myself or as root?I don't have a cd drive, but I can boot from usb. So far it sounds like the easiest thing is to make another user cp

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 09:21:19PM +, anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc file has the wrong

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/06 16:22, anthony wrote: I can get root access thru the failsafe terminal mode, but I still don't really get what is up. if I changed the permissions as myself, why cannot reset them as myself or as root? What exactly did you chown and/or

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 05:51:43PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 09:21:19PM +, anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread anthony
Hello The result (as root) of ls -aFI / ./ ../ bin/ boot/ cdrom@ dev/ dyne/ etc/ .fonts.cache-1 home/ initrd/ initrd.img@ lib/ lib64/ lost+found/ media/ mnt/ nano.save opt/ proc/ root/ root.choice/ sbin/ srv/ sys/ tmp/ usr/ var/ vmlinuz@ of -aFI /home ./ ../ bin/ boot/ cdrom@ dev/ dyne/ etc/

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Kent West
Your listing ran all together; perhaps you posted HTML? anthony wrote: I have these permissions on /home/anthony my home folder; my username is anthony : total 80drw-rw-r-- 11 anthony anthony 4096 2006-10-24 16:51 audio drw-rw-r-- 2 anthony anthony 4096 2006-10-19 13:36 background drw-rw-r--

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 01:40:39PM -0800, Jeff Goodman wrote: anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread Paul E Condon
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:14:46AM +, anthony wrote: Hello The result (as root) of ls -aFI / ./ ../ bin/ boot/ cdrom@ dev/ dyne/ etc/ .fonts.cache-1 home/ initrd/ initrd.img@ lib/ lib64/ lost+found/ media/ mnt/ nano.save opt/ proc/ root/ root.choice/ sbin/ srv/ sys/ tmp/ usr/ var/

Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-29 Thread W Paul Mills
anthony wrote: Hello I'm embarrassed to admit this, but after using various flavours of debian for over a year 've managed to lock myself out of my /home directory. When I log in I get the message - your home directory .dmrc file has the wrong permissions - permissions should be set to 664