Re: Difficulties with Firefox/iceweasel

[Alan McConnell]

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From: "Felix Miata" <mrma...@earthlink.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:26:23 PM
Subject: Re: Difficulties with Firefox/iceweasel

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-17 13:05 (UTC-0400):


> I'll have to log in as root to do this, I'm sure.  But there may be other
> hazards I am not aware of.  I hope for cogent thoughts on this.

There's no compulsion to have a separate partition for /tmp. Simply remove 
that small partition from /etc/fstab.
  Just did it, and rebooted.  And I set Beeth's Fifth to playing on
  youtube for five minutes -- of course there was no sound -- and
  I had no problems.

So thanks for your helpful and effective suggestion, Felix!

Alan

Re: Difficulties with Firefox/iceweasel

[Felix Miata]

Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-17 13:05 (UTC-0400):


During my experimentation with Iceweasel, described in another post, I
have received warnings from the OS that /tmp was filling up.  It seems
that when running a video a buffer is opened in /tmp, and /tmp fills up
rapidly.  At the moment, df /tmp tells me that 3% of /tmp is used.  When
I'm trying to play a video, only 1% of /tmp is available, and the video
grinds to a halt.



My partition table says that /tmp is partition 10, with 50MB, and partion
11 is my /home, with 750GB.  [  I don't know why I made my /tmp so small. ]



Now to my question.  Can anyone think of any hazard in the following
procedure:  1.  Back up my /home completely(I have a USB stick that will
take what I have on it.)  2.  Run parted to delete partitions 10 and 11,
then create a new partition 10, with, say, a Gig on it, and then create
a new partition 11, name it /home . . . 3.  Put all my backed up stuff
on the new /home.



I'll have to log in as root to do this, I'm sure.  But there may be other
hazards I am not aware of.  I hope for cogent thoughts on this.


There's no compulsion to have a separate partition for /tmp. Simply remove 
that small partition from /etc/fstab.


Those with more parted experience might simply remove partition 10 from the 
disk (and /etc/fstab), then resize 11 or 9 to include the space freed by 10. 
I'd more likely give it to 9 (your /var). Adding onto an end rather than a 
start feels safer to me.

--
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Difficulties with Firefox/iceweasel

[Alan McConnell]

During my experimentation with Iceweasel, described in another post, I
have received warnings from the OS that /tmp was filling up.  It seems
that when running a video a buffer is opened in /tmp, and /tmp fills up
rapidly.  At the moment, df /tmp tells me that 3% of /tmp is used.  When
I'm trying to play a video, only 1% of /tmp is available, and the video
grinds to a halt.

My partition table says that /tmp is partition 10, with 50MB, and partion
11 is my /home, with 750GB.  [  I don't know why I made my /tmp so small. ]

Now to my question.  Can anyone think of any hazard in the following
procedure:  1.  Back up my /home completely(I have a USB stick that will
take what I have on it.)  2.  Run parted to delete partitions 10 and 11,
then create a new partition 10, with, say, a Gig on it, and then create
a new partition 11, name it /home . . . 3.  Put all my backed up stuff
on the new /home.

I'll have to log in as root to do this, I'm sure.  But there may be other
hazards I am not aware of.  I hope for cogent thoughts on this.

TIA,

Alan

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Seeker]

On 2/25/2016 12:39 PM, H Kyu wrote:

​Hello -

Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that 
got me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features 
were Hello, Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single 
one of those features did not sit well with me from a security 
perspective.  On top of that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from 
the Gecko engine, the Gecko engine was the main reason for my using 
Firefox in the first place - because I disliked the functional model 
of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, I'd have used Chrome.


Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in 
fact, I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - 
practical and informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons 
showing all the time, even if disabled.  I like status indicators, 
which includes grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old settings 
screen where the browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can 
see all the settings without scrolling.  I am still amazed at the fact 
that Firefox would just abandon their core fans and move away to cater 
to others.


Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.

MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome 
features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use 
Debian without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?


The camera access is needed for video calling, the screen sharing is a 
sub-feature of the video calling.
In newer android you may be able to deny Firefox permission to use the 
camera, won't stop it from
wanting it enable during installation. One would hope it doesn't 
actually get permission right off the
bat and that you would be asked to give permission the first time a 
feature is used that needs it, but

that is another question.

People have already answered the question about browsers in Debian and 
not being forced to use

Firefox.

Over the long haul I suspect it will become more difficult to find a 
browser that does not implement

some kind of support for webrtc.

After a few minutes of Googling...

/"//Concerns///

/In January 2015, //TorrentFreak 
//reported that browsers 
supporting WebRTC suffer from a serious security flaw that compromises 
the security of //VPN-tunnels 
//, by allowing 
the true //IP address //of the 
user to be read.//^ 
//The IP address read requests are not visible in the browser's 
developer console, and they are not blocked by common //ad blocking 
///privacy plugins (enabling 
online tracking by advertisers and other entities despite 
precautions).//^ /


//

/WebRTC can be enabled or disabled in //Microsoft Edge 
//by going to 
//|about:flags|//and toggling it on/off. In Firefox by toggling the 
value of "media.peerconnection.enabled" in //|about:config 
|//, and WebRTC settings can 
be changed in //|about:webrtc|//. WebRTC cannot be disabled in the 
desktop version of Google Chrome, although there is a plug-in available 
for blocking it^" //^ /


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC

/"//WebRTC is a set of browser APIs and protocols being worked on by the 
//W3C //and //IETF 
//standardization bodies. With 
WebRTC, developers can quickly add real-time peer-2-peer audio, video 
and data capabilities to their web applications through a set of 
standardised JavaScript APIs. /


/WebKit today lacks support for this exciting new standard. Our 
intention is to add WebRTC support to WebKit, starting with the WebKit 
GTK+ port (Linux), by means of the //OpenWebRTC 
//implementation. Much of the WebRTC support 
will be implemented in the core of WebKit and therefore shared among all 
WebKit ports. This will also enable integration of other WebRTC backends 
such as //webrtc.org //."

/

http://www.webrtcinwebkit.org//
/

Later, Seeker

/
/

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:42:12 +0100
Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

>Hello Charlie:
>
>On 26/02/16 03:53, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>> if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have to also 
>> switch away from Debian.
>
>
>Is it not an extreme attitude ? There are plenty of web browser around: 
>
>https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
>
>Be aware that the list is not complete: for instance xombrero is not listed.
>
>hth,
>Jerome
>


Please pay attention when quoting part of a message. I did not write
the above, but I did quote it from the original message. To respond to
me personally, when I did not write what you responded to, is not okay.
Go back to the original message and read it, and respond appropriately
to it.


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[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 15:17:45 +0800
mudongliang <mudonglianga...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 02/26/2016 10:53 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:01:43 +1100
>> "Daniel" <dan...@cryptosec.xyz> wrote:
>>  
>> > While not relevant to Debian, Pale Moon for Windows is neat.  
>>
>>
>>  
>> > From: H Kyu [mailto:henry.s@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: 26 February, 2016 7:40 AM
>> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; secur...@debian.org
>> > Subject: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel  
>>
>>
>>  
>> > ​Hello -  
>>  
>> > Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got 
>> > me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features were 
>> > Hello, Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single one of 
>> > those features did not sit well with me from a security perspective.  On 
>> > top of that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the 
>> > Gecko engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place - 
>> > because I disliked the functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, 
>> > I'd have used Chrome.
>>  
>> > Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact, 
>> > I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and 
>> > informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the 
>> > time, even if disabled.  I like status indicators, which includes 
>> > grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old settings screen where the 
>> > browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings 
>> > without scrolling.  I am still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just 
>> > abandon their core fans and move away to cater to others. 
>>  
>> > Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.
>>  
>> > MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome 
>> > features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian 
>> > without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?
>>  
>> > Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially 
>> > spyware, I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been 
>> > using Debian on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite 
>> > comfortable with the basics of the operating system so Debian is my first 
>> > choice.  But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would 
>> > have to also switch away from Debian.
>>  
>> > Thanks.  - hk ​  
>>
>>
>> Latest announcement is that Debian will be using Firefox instead of the
>> iceweasel name soon. Knowing that, I would guess, yes, Debian will  
>Which announcement? Can you show its url?
>> include those same features.
>>  
>
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/linux/iceweasel-will-be-renamed-firefox-as-relations-between-debian-and-mozilla-thaw.html


- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Curt]

On 2016-02-26, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Thursday 25 February 2016 20:39:59 H Kyu wrote:
>> But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have
>> to also switch away from Debian.
>
> You are confusing Debian with Gnome.  Debian is the distro.  Gnome is the 
> Desktop environment.  I believe that Gnome uses Iceweasel by default, though 

The default browser for Gnome is Epiphany according to the wiki

https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser
(includes recipes for changing the default).

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic 
capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[mudongliang]

On 02/26/2016 10:53 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:01:43 +1100
> "Daniel" <dan...@cryptosec.xyz> wrote:
>
> > While not relevant to Debian, Pale Moon for Windows is neat.
>
>
>
> > From: H Kyu [mailto:henry.s@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 26 February, 2016 7:40 AM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; secur...@debian.org
> > Subject: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel
>
>
>
> > ​Hello -
>
> > Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got 
> > me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features were Hello, 
> > Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single one of those 
> > features did not sit well with me from a security perspective.  On top of 
> > that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko 
> > engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place - 
> > because I disliked the functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, 
> > I'd have used Chrome.  
>
> > Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact, 
> > I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and 
> > informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the 
> > time, even if disabled.  I like status indicators, which includes 
> > grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old settings screen where the 
> > browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings 
> > without scrolling.  I am still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just 
> > abandon their core fans and move away to cater to others.   
>
> > Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.  
>
> > MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome 
> > features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian 
> > without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?  
>
> > Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially 
> > spyware, I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been 
> > using Debian on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite 
> > comfortable with the basics of the operating system so Debian is my first 
> > choice.  But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have 
> > to also switch away from Debian.  
>
> > Thanks.  - hk ​
>
>
> Latest announcement is that Debian will be using Firefox instead of the
> iceweasel name soon. Knowing that, I would guess, yes, Debian will
Which announcement? Can you show its url?
> include those same features.
>

-- 
My best regards to you.

 No System Is Safe!
 mudongliang

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Adam Wilson]

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:39:59 -0800 H Kyu  wrote:

> ​Hello -
> 
> Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features
> that got me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The
> features were Hello, Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.
> Every single one of those features did not sit well with me from a
> security perspective.  On top of that, Firefox seems to be splitting
> away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko engine was the main reason for
> my using Firefox in the first place - because I disliked the
> functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, I'd have used
> Chrome.

If you hate Mozilla that much, just use a different web browser.
Freedom of choice is the Debian way. For browsers similar to the
classic Netscape/Mosaic layout, I recommend Midori, Seamonkey, or even
Konqueror.

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Gary Dale]

On 25/02/16 06:38 PM, arian wrote:



Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.

I'm not really sure what you mean. It's Debians default browser in the way I 
think IE is currently Windows' default browser, but it's not used outside of 
being used as a browser. Many programs use some flavor of webkit for the like 
of displaying help pages. Which is what IE also does or at least did on Windows.
To clarify, IE is tightly integrated into Windows so that it can't be 
fully removed. Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't have that integration. If you 
don't like a browser, don't use it. Since the OP liked Netscape, perhaps 
he may consider Seamonkey?

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Charlie:

On 26/02/16 03:53, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have to also switch 
> away from Debian.  


Is it not an extreme attitude ? There are plenty of web browser around: 

https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers

Be aware that the list is not complete: for instance xombrero is not listed.

hth,
Jerome

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:01:43 +1100
"Daniel" <dan...@cryptosec.xyz> wrote:

>While not relevant to Debian, Pale Moon for Windows is neat.
>
> 
>
>From: H Kyu [mailto:henry.s@gmail.com] 
>Sent: 26 February, 2016 7:40 AM
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; secur...@debian.org
>Subject: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel
>
> 
>
>​Hello - 
>
>Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got me 
>to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features were Hello, 
>Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single one of those 
>features did not sit well with me from a security perspective.  On top of 
>that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko 
>engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place - because I 
>disliked the functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, I'd have used 
>Chrome.  
>
>Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact, I 
>prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and 
>informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the time, 
>even if disabled.  I like status indicators, which includes grayed-out 
>buttons.  I also prefer the old settings screen where the browser remembers 
>the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings without scrolling.  I am 
>still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just abandon their core fans and 
>move away to cater to others.   
>
>Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.  
>
>MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome features 
>in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian without 
>Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?  
>
>Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially spyware, I 
>am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been using Debian on 
>my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite comfortable with the basics 
>of the operating system so Debian is my first choice.  But if Iceweasel 
>incorporates those Firefox features, I would have to also switch away from 
>Debian.  
>
>Thanks.  - hk ​
>

Latest announcement is that Debian will be using Firefox instead of the
iceweasel name soon. Knowing that, I would guess, yes, Debian will
include those same features.

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[John Hasler]

H Kyu writes:
> Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome features in the
> near future? If so, would it be possible to use Debian without
> Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?

GNOME does not require Iceweasel and Debian requires neither GNOME nor
Iceweasel.  There are many desktop environments[1] in the archive and
also many browsers.

[1] It is possible to do just fine with no DE at all, but I won't
suggest that.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 25 February 2016 21:01:43 Daniel wrote:
> While not relevant to Debian, Pale Moon for Windows is neat.

Pale Moon can be used in Debian too.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Pale+Moon+debian=Pale+Moon+debian=chrome..69i57.3921j0j7=chrome_sm=93=UTF-8

Lisi

> From: H Kyu [mailto:henry.s@gmail.com]
> Sent: 26 February, 2016 7:40 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; secur...@debian.org
> Subject: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel
>
>
>
> ​Hello -
>
> Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got
> me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features were Hello,
> Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single one of those
> features did not sit well with me from a security perspective.  On top of
> that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko
> engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place -
> because I disliked the functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit,
> I'd have used Chrome.
>
> Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact,
> I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and
> informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the
> time, even if disabled.  I like status indicators, which includes
> grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old settings screen where the
> browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings
> without scrolling.  I am still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just
> abandon their core fans and move away to cater to others.
>
> Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.
>
> MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome
> features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian
> without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?
>
> Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially
> spyware, I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been
> using Debian on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite
> comfortable with the basics of the operating system so Debian is my first
> choice.  But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have
> to also switch away from Debian.
>
> Thanks.  - hk ​

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 25 February 2016 20:39:59 H Kyu wrote:
> But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have
> to also switch away from Debian.

You are confusing Debian with Gnome.  Debian is the distro.  Gnome is the 
Desktop environment.  I believe that Gnome uses Iceweasel by default, though 
I am sure that you can change it.  I have so far never used a DE that used 
Iceweasel by default.  There are plenty of others browsers you can use in 
Debian!!  In fact, I thought that the default browser in Gnome was Evolution, 
but I don't use Gnome, so I am probably wrong.

Disliking the entirely avoidable Iceweasel is a very poor reason to consider 
avoiding Debian. ;-) :-)

Lisi

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[Patrick Bartek]

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016, H Kyu wrote:

> ​Hello -
> 
> Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features
> that got me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The
> features were Hello, Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.
> Every single one of those features did not sit well with me from a
> security perspective.  On top of that, Firefox seems to be splitting
> away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko engine was the main reason for
> my using Firefox in the first place - because I disliked the
> functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit, I'd have used
> Chrome.
> 
> Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in
> fact, I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better -
> practical and informational.  I like my status bar, and all my
> buttons showing all the time, even if disabled.  I like status
> indicators, which includes grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old
> settings screen where the browser remembers the last settings tab,
> and I can see all the settings without scrolling.  I am still amazed
> at the fact that Firefox would just abandon their core fans and move
> away to cater to others.

I like real manual transmissions:  They are simplier, last two to
three times longer (maybe more) than automatics, have fewer problems,
give better gas mileage, are easier to repair when they do break, and
the driver chooses the proper time to shift not some design engineer.
Unfortunately, almost all cars and trucks come with automatic by
default.  No one these days is even taught how to drive with a manual
transmission.  Makes for lousier drivers.

Ditto, the classic browser interface.  Everything these days is oriented
to users of smartphones and tablets which software providers have
deemed THE MARKET.  Progress doesn't alway mean better.

> Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.

Not really.  Iceweasel is just Firefox with all branding removed.
Necessary to fulfill Debian and Firefox's legal policies.

> MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome
> features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use
> Debian without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?

It might.  And, of course.

Feel free to use any Linux compatible browser you wish.
There are more than just Firefox/Iceweasel or Chrome.  Just because
they aren't in the repositories, doesn't mean they won't work.


> Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially
> spyware, I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have
> been using Debian on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am
> quite comfortable with the basics of the operating system so Debian
> is my first choice.  But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox
> features, I would have to also switch away from Debian.

Take a look at Opera.  Lots of others, too, out there.

B

Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[arian]

> Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE. 
I'm not really sure what you mean. It's Debians default browser in the way I 
think IE is currently Windows' default browser, but it's not used outside of 
being used as a browser. Many programs use some flavor of webkit for the like 
of displaying help pages. Which is what IE also does or at least did on Windows.

> MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome features 
> in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian without 
> Iceweasel or any Mozilla product? 

Iceweasel _is_ firefox, it just has some branding like name and artwork 
replaced. Also, the dispute that lead to this was recently settled, and 
debian's firefox will be called firefox again [1]

I have not witnessed the three you mentioned on my own, but that does not mean 
its not there and it never will be. If these features are provided by nonfree 
software, like html5-drm is, debian will not allow that into main and contrib - 
but mozilla would not include non-free in their products. They might create 
interfaces for that though, like they did with html5-drm. Note that iceweasel 
not supporting screen sharing does not make you that more safe from an attacker 
breaking into iceweasel and using it as screen sharing tool: There is nothing 
to prevent any X client from taking screen shots. Of course that assumes 
firefox' screen sharing only becomes active at your request.

But it is totally possible to ditch firefox/iceweasel and the other mozilla 
products, there are plenty of other browsers:

# aptitude show www-browser
No current or candidate version found for www-browser
Package: www-browser
State: not a real package
Provided by: chimera2 (2.0a19-8+b2), chromium (47.0.2526.80-1~deb8u1), chromium
 (48.0.2564.116-1), conkeror (1.0~~pre-1+git141025-1), conkeror
 (1.0~~pre-1+git160130-1), dillo (3.0.4-2+b1), dillo (3.0.5-2), dwb 
(20140702hg-2),
 dwb (20150419git-2+b1), edbrowse (3.5.1-1), edbrowse (3.6.0.1-1), 
elinks
 (0.12~pre6-11+b2), elinks (0.12~pre6-5+b2), epiphany-browser 
(3.14.1-1),
 epiphany-browser (3.18.4-1), hv3 (3.0~fossil20110109-6), iceweasel
 (38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2), iceweasel (44.0.2-1), iceweasel (45.0~b5-1), 
konqueror
 (4:15.08.3-1), konqueror (4:15.12.1-1), konqueror (4:4.14.2-1), 
links (2.12-1+b1),
 links (2.8-2+b3), links2 (2.12-1+b1), links2 (2.8-2+b3), lynx 
(2.8.9dev8-4),
 lynx-cur (2.8.9dev1-2+deb8u1), midori (0.5.11-ds1-2), netrik 
(1.16.1-1.1), netrik
 (1.16.1-2), netsurf (3.2+dfsg-2), netsurf (3.2+dfsg-2.2), 
netsurf-fb
 (3.2+dfsg-2+b1), netsurf-fb (3.2+dfsg-2.2+b1), netsurf-gtk 
(3.2+dfsg-2+b1),
 netsurf-gtk (3.2+dfsg-2.2+b1), qupzilla (1.8.9~dfsg1-3), surf 
(0.6-1), surf
 (0.7-1), uzbl (0.0.0~git.20120514-1.1), uzbl 
(0.0.0~git.20120514-1.2), w3m
 (0.5.3-19), w3m (0.5.3-26), xemacs21-mule (21.4.22-14), 
xemacs21-mule
 (21.4.22-14~deb8u1), xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn (21.4.22-14), 
xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn
 (21.4.22-14~deb8u1), xemacs21-nomule (21.4.22-14), xemacs21-nomule
 (21.4.22-14~deb8u1)

many of them won't be what you're looking for in a browser, but some might be. 
Every somewhat modern but mozilla stuff will use some flavour of webkit though. 
Exception to that exception: Mozilla Servo (that's not yet in debian though)
> 
> Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially spyware, 
> I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been using Debian 
> on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite comfortable with the 
> basics of the operating system so Debian is my first choice.  But if 
> Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have to also switch 
> away from Debian. 

Always good to hear this!

Regards, Arian

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006



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Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel

[H Kyu]

​Hello -

Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got
me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether.  The features were Hello,
Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing.  Every single one of those
features did not sit well with me from a security perspective.  On top of
that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko
engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place -
because I disliked the functional model of WebKits.  If I wanted a WebKit,
I'd have used Chrome.

Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact,
I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and
informational.  I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the
time, even if disabled.  I like status indicators, which includes
grayed-out buttons.  I also prefer the old settings screen where the
browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings
without scrolling.  I am still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just
abandon their core fans and move away to cater to others.

Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE.

MY QUESTION:  Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome
features in the near future?  If so, would it be possible to use Debian
without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product?

Window 7 coming to an end in 2020, and Windows 10 being essentially
spyware, I am seriously looking for an alternative system.  I have been
using Debian on my 2nd computer for a few years now and I am quite
comfortable with the basics of the operating system so Debian is my first
choice.  But if Iceweasel incorporates those Firefox features, I would have
to also switch away from Debian.

Thanks.  - hk ​

Firefox / Iceweasel displays math formulas in the wrong size

[Edward C Jones]

I use up-to-date Debian stable, amd64 port.  Until recently, Firefox 
/Iceweasel would display mathematical formulas with the size and shape 
wrong.  Repeated reloads would fix the problem.  See the Terry Tao blog 
at http://terrytao.wordpress.com/;. Recently, the formula sizing has 
been working on my system and failing for other users on various systems 
using several browsers.  Anybody have any idea what is causing these 
problems?



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firefox/iceweasel - (XFCE) large cursors overlap tooltips

[Zenaan Harkness]

On sid, XFCE (perhaps unrelated) and using iceweasel (appears to be
v24.1.0, but this happened with previous versions):

tooltip popups (eg showing the url behind links and images etc) is
consistently UNDER my (48 point) mouse cursor.

I move the mouse, to try to read the popup text and the popup disappears.

This has been occurring all this year.

I note that when I enable desktop icons (XFCE) for testing (just now),
the tooltip/popups are offset properly - they are not hidden by my
large cursor.

Happy to do other tests. Happy to file a bug if such is indicated.

TIA
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Re: Firefox Iceweasel

[അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ് .]

Anyway to run it as two sessions? ie. both simultaneously.
On 31 Jan 2013 10:55, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 01/30/2013 06:58 PM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote:


 How can i install Firefox along with iceweasel in Debian wheezy?

 ~Akhilan

  You can get the tarball from the Mozilla site. I move it to
 /usr/local/lib and untar it from there. Note that since Iceweasel pretends
 to be firefox, you need to explicitly use the firefox executable from the
 tarball, or you will still get Iceweasel.

 I use the following method:

 1. Download and untar the tarball from Mozilla site, as above
 2. Put a soft link in ~/bin named firefox and link to the directory
 created in step 1.
 3. Call the program with ~/bin/firefox/firefox

 I find that from LXDE's Application Launchbar I need to use the fully
 qualified path to the executable, even though ~/bin is in my path. You may,
 or may not have to do this.

 Marc


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Re: Firefox Iceweasel

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/30/2013 09:58 PM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote:

How can i install Firefox along with iceweasel in Debian wheezy?

~Akhilan



search for a firewall -  apt-cache search firewall

decide which one you want to install -  apt-cache show  package name 

to install, as root, aptitude install firewall you like


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Re: Firefox Iceweasel

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:33 AM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്.
akhilkrishn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyway to run it as two sessions? ie. both simultaneously.

Please do not top post, it breaks the flow of the thread, and is
contrary to list conventions.

You can run both at the same time if you use separate profiles. Launch
it like so:
firefox -ProfileManager -No-Remote
and
iceweasel -ProfileManager -No-Remote

You can also do firefox -P profile name -no-remote to launch a
profile directly.

(-no-remote keeps the command from connecting to any already running sessions)

You will get the profile manager and you can make a second profile for
the other browser. If you want to have them match up in bookmarks and
so forth, you could use Firefox Sync.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Firefox Iceweasel

[അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ് .]

How can i install Firefox along with iceweasel in Debian wheezy?

~Akhilan

Re: Firefox Iceweasel

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 30 January 2013 5:58:43 pm you wrote:
 How can i install Firefox along with iceweasel in Debian wheezy?

 ~Akhilan


You can use both, they share the same directory in your home directory. 
No problems here with that. 

Firefox is a .tar.gz file so you have lots of options in installing it, 
no need to be root for one.
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Re: Firefox Iceweasel

[Marc Shapiro]

On 01/30/2013 06:58 PM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote:


How can i install Firefox along with iceweasel in Debian wheezy?

~Akhilan

You can get the tarball from the Mozilla site. I move it to 
/usr/local/lib and untar it from there. Note that since Iceweasel 
pretends to be firefox, you need to explicitly use the firefox 
executable from the tarball, or you will still get Iceweasel.


I use the following method:

1. Download and untar the tarball from Mozilla site, as above
2. Put a soft link in ~/bin named firefox and link to the directory 
created in step 1.

3. Call the program with ~/bin/firefox/firefox

I find that from LXDE's Application Launchbar I need to use the fully 
qualified path to the executable, even though ~/bin is in my path. You 
may, or may not have to do this.


Marc


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Re: Adobe flash is dead (now Firefox/Iceweasel/Mozilla)

[Scott Ferguson]

On 11/11/11 11:47, Bob Proulx wrote:
 Robert Holtzman wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
 A .deb package for firefox? Where?

 The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for
 Stable that tracks the current release.

   http://mozilla.debian.net/

 Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure
 you didn't mean iceweasel?
 
 Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical
 purposes Firefox?
 
 Here are some references to backfill the entire very long story, years
 in the making, a cast of thousands, and that type of thing.
 
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html
 
   
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
 
 Bob


A cast of thousands? :-)

Maybe *two*. The objector from Mozilla, and Mike Hommey the Debian
Mozilla maintainer/superman.

Many, many thanks to him.

Iceweasel is superior to Firefox because:-
;we can modify it without breaching Mozilla copyrights
;we can run less than the latest version of Mozilla code without missing
out on security updates
;because it's maintained by a superman :-D


NOTE: last time I checked you could get a .deb package of Swiftfox - an
optimised build of Firefox.

Cheers

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Re: firefox iceweasel

[Sergio Bessopeanetto]

El 24/08/11 19:41, waldo li escribió:



4) baje firefox de su pagina oficial y lo instale en /opt
Bien, en ese caso, lo borrás a mano en esa carpeta como root y listo, 
luego deberás borrar a mano las entradas al menú inicio y nada más.


respuesta a  SM Baby Siabef:

Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARÁN:
  iceweasel*
0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 1 para eliminar y 4 no actualizados.
8 no instalados del todo o eliminados.
Se liberarán 4071 kB después de esta operación.
¿Desea continuar [S/n]? s
(Leyendo la base de datos ... 137443 ficheros o directorios instalados 
actualmente.)

Desinstalando iceweasel ...

dpkg: error al procesar iceweasel (--purge):
 el subproceso instalado el script pre-removal devolvió el código de 
salida de error 2

configured to not write apport reports
  Se encontraron errores al procesar:
 iceweasel
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Yo en tu lugar probaría instalándolo nuevamente y luego lo desinstalo 
como te dijeron.



respuesta a Edgar antonio palma de la cruz:

 $ dpkg -l | grep iceweasel
bash: $: no se encontró la orden
ave vim lo


¿Por casualidad metiste la mano en alguna carpeta llamada /firefox   
/mozilla   /Iceweasel ?


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Re: firefox iceweasel

[Edgar Antonio Palma de la Cruz]

El Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:51:55 -0300
Sergio Bessopeanetto serpeane...@yahoo.com escribió:
 El 24/08/11 19:41, waldo li escribió:
 
 
  4) baje firefox de su pagina oficial y lo instale en /opt
 Bien, en ese caso, lo borrás a mano en esa carpeta como root y listo, 
 luego deberás borrar a mano las entradas al menú inicio y nada más.
 
  respuesta a  SM Baby Siabef:
 
  Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
  Creando árbol de dependencias
  Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
  Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARÁN:
iceweasel*
  0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 1 para eliminar y 4 no
  actualizados. 8 no instalados del todo o eliminados.
  Se liberarán 4071 kB después de esta operación.
  ¿Desea continuar [S/n]? s
  (Leyendo la base de datos ... 137443 ficheros o directorios
  instalados actualmente.)
  Desinstalando iceweasel ...
 
  dpkg: error al procesar iceweasel (--purge):
   el subproceso instalado el script pre-removal devolvió el código
  de salida de error 2
  configured to not write apport reports
Se encontraron errores al
  procesar: iceweasel
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
 Yo en tu lugar probaría instalándolo nuevamente y luego lo desinstalo 
 como te dijeron.
 
 
  respuesta a Edgar antonio palma de la cruz:
 
   $ dpkg -l | grep iceweasel
  bash: $: no se encontró la orden
  ave vim lo
 
 ¿Por casualidad metiste la mano en alguna carpeta llamada /firefox   
 /mozilla   /Iceweasel ?
 

Que tal Waldo, te recomiendo no abrir otro hilo con el mismo tema (:
Ahora bien, si al reinstalarlo tienes problemas, prueba con:

apt-get -f install

como root y nos dices que tal resulto.

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Re: Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Merciadri Luca]

Kelly Clowers wrote:
 I dunno. I myself have never had serious memory problems with Mozilla
 or Firefox. In old versions of Mozilla (~0.9-1.7) and FF 1 and 2 there where
 definite limits to how many tabs I could open without crashing. With current
 versions, though, I can run over a hundred tabs with no problem. I am
 currently at ~1,250MB resident for SeaMonkey, but this doesn't seem
 unreasonable for how many tabs there are. It certainly doesn't grow over
 time (this instance has probably been running for 3 days or more), only
 with new tabs, or larger pages loaded into tabs.

 So many people report these problems, and they are clearly real, but I
 wonder why I have never had them, with different hardware (AMD and
 Intel), and different OSs (2K, XP, 7, and several version of Debian).

 Sorry, no real help, just my experiences.

 * note: I use the nightlies from Mozilla, rather than Iceweasel/Iceape.
   
Thanks. But you specified that when dealing with tabs containing large
pages, the browser does not behave as if they were containing light
pages, didn't you? That's the problem.

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Re: Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Girish Kulkarni]

On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:58:26 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote:
 I noticed on many computers with Debian, whatever the kernel
 (2.6.xx, xx = 26), that, once ``too much'' tabs have been opened,
 Firefox/Iceweasel becomes sluggish, slower and slower, and often
 stalls after some time. I also noticed that, when becoming more and
 more sluggish, it takes more and more RAM, even when all the pages
 are completely loaded. Why? Am I the only person who's experiencing
 this? Is there an objective explanation to this?

I'd had similar problem with Iceweasel on Lenny when my browser cache
limit was set to a large value.  But things are okay after bringing it
down (to 20MB).  You might want to try that.

Large cache slows Iceweasel down because it uses these large databases
of stored history to suggest addresses in each tab's address bar.  I
also had a Zotero database, which used to worsen things.

Girish.

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Re: Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Merciadri Luca]

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 On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:58:26 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote:
 I noticed on many computers with Debian, whatever the kernel
 (2.6.xx, xx = 26), that, once ``too much'' tabs have been opened,
 Firefox/Iceweasel becomes sluggish, slower and slower, and often
 stalls after some time. I also noticed that, when becoming more and
 more sluggish, it takes more and more RAM, even when all the pages
 are completely loaded. Why? Am I the only person who's experiencing
 this? Is there an objective explanation to this?

 I'd had similar problem with Iceweasel on Lenny when my browser cache
 limit was set to a large value.  But things are okay after bringing it
 down (to 20MB).  You might want to try that.
I modified the value from 50 to 10 MB. I hope it will do the trick.

 Large cache slows Iceweasel down because it uses these large databases
 of stored history to suggest addresses in each tab's address bar.  I
 also had a Zotero database, which used to worsen things.
Indeed; everything has a price.

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Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

I noticed on many computers with Debian, whatever the kernel (2.6.xx, xx
= 26), that, once ``too much'' tabs have been opened, Firefox/Iceweasel
becomes sluggish, slower and slower, and often stalls after some time. I
also noticed that, when becoming more and more sluggish, it takes more
and more RAM, even when all the pages are completely loaded. Why? Am I
the only person who's experiencing this? Is there an objective
explanation to this?

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Re: Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:58:26 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 I noticed on many computers with Debian, whatever the kernel (2.6.xx, xx
= 26), that, once ``too much'' tabs have been opened, Firefox/Iceweasel
 becomes sluggish, slower and slower, and often stalls after some time. I
 also noticed that, when becoming more and more sluggish, it takes more
 and more RAM, even when all the pages are completely loaded. Why? Am I
 the only person who's experiencing this? Is there an objective
 explanation to this?

He... did you never search in Google for Firefox memory hog? O:-)

There's even a Mozilla KB explaining the issue:

Reducing memory usage - Firefox
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Memory_Leak

Also, never versions (3.5.x) provide /a bit/ better memory management.

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Re: Is Firefox/Iceweasel leaking?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca
luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote:
 Hi,

 I noticed on many computers with Debian, whatever the kernel (2.6.xx, xx
= 26), that, once ``too much'' tabs have been opened, Firefox/Iceweasel
 becomes sluggish, slower and slower, and often stalls after some time. I
 also noticed that, when becoming more and more sluggish, it takes more
 and more RAM, even when all the pages are completely loaded. Why? Am I
 the only person who's experiencing this? Is there an objective
 explanation to this?

I dunno. I myself have never had serious memory problems with Mozilla
or Firefox. In old versions of Mozilla (~0.9-1.7) and FF 1 and 2 there where
definite limits to how many tabs I could open without crashing. With current
versions, though, I can run over a hundred tabs with no problem. I am
currently at ~1,250MB resident for SeaMonkey, but this doesn't seem
unreasonable for how many tabs there are. It certainly doesn't grow over
time (this instance has probably been running for 3 days or more), only
with new tabs, or larger pages loaded into tabs.

So many people report these problems, and they are clearly real, but I
wonder why I have never had them, with different hardware (AMD and
Intel), and different OSs (2K, XP, 7, and several version of Debian).

Sorry, no real help, just my experiences.

* note: I use the nightlies from Mozilla, rather than Iceweasel/Iceape.


Cheers,
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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Dennis Wicks wrote:

 Thanks for that tip, but what is the secret incantation
 needed to figure out which add-on is causing the problem?
 

I don't think there is one. You can run iceweasel through strace and try to
find a solution from the output. You can also try installing iceweasel-dbg
and get a backtrace when it crashes.

Other solutions are of the maverick type. You can start disabling,
enabling the add ons in a systematic way and hope for a crash! Then back
track to figure out the problematic add-on.

A more easy way would be to just post the addons you are using and ask if
others are experiencing any problems with them.

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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/23/08 17:32, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Everytime, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug Buddy but 
B-B doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


snip

My iceweasel [1] never crashes. It's your addons.

[1] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) 
Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.4 (Debian-3.0.4-1)


Iceweasel (from Sid) crashes on me *occasionally*, but I always 
attributed it to running out of process memory.


I've now got a 64-bit kernel and 8GB RAM, but only for a week, so not 
long enough to gather any statistics.




8GB RAM! That is 8x more than I got! It boggles the mind ;-)

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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/24/08 06:17, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 12/23/08 17:32, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Everytime, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug Buddy but 
B-B doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


snip

My iceweasel [1] never crashes. It's your addons.

[1] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) 
Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.4 (Debian-3.0.4-1)


Iceweasel (from Sid) crashes on me *occasionally*, but I always 
attributed it to running out of process memory.


I've now got a 64-bit kernel and 8GB RAM, but only for a week, so not 
long enough to gather any statistics.




8GB RAM! That is 8x more than I got! It boggles the mind ;-)


And only US$85.

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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Dennis Wicks]

On 12/23/08 17:32, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Every time, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug Buddy but 
B-B doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


snip

My iceweasel [1] never crashes. It's your addons.



Thanks for that tip, but what is the secret incantation 
needed to figure out which add-on is causing the problem?


If Iceweasel crashed withing a minute or two after starting 
it would be relatively easy, but it runs for several hours 
to maybe two days before it crashes. And sometimes it does 
it in the middle of the night when I am not even using it!


TNX,
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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Bob Cox]

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 14:27:50 -0600, Dennis Wicks (w...@mgssub.com) wrote: 

 Thanks for that tip, but what is the secret incantation needed to figure 
 out which add-on is causing the problem?

 If Iceweasel crashed withing a minute or two after starting it would be 
 relatively easy, but it runs for several hours to maybe two days before 
 it crashes. And sometimes it does it in the middle of the night when I am 
 not even using it!

In your original posting you said:

 The application firefox-bin has crashed.
 Information about the crash has been successfully collected.

 This application is not known to bug-buddy, therefore the
 bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla.  Please
 save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate
 bug tracker for this application.

Does that mean that there is a text file somewhere which can save and
then analyse?

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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Dennis Wicks]

Bob Cox wrote the following on 12/24/2008 02:46 PM:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 14:27:50 -0600, Dennis Wicks (w...@mgssub.com) wrote: 

Thanks for that tip, but what is the secret incantation needed to figure 
out which add-on is causing the problem?


If Iceweasel crashed withing a minute or two after starting it would be 
relatively easy, but it runs for several hours to maybe two days before 
it crashes. And sometimes it does it in the middle of the night when I am 
not even using it!


In your original posting you said:


The application firefox-bin has crashed.
Information about the crash has been successfully collected.

This application is not known to bug-buddy, therefore the
bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla.  Please
save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate
bug tracker for this application.


Does that mean that there is a text file somewhere which can save and
then analyse?

I suppose there is, but I don't save them because I don't 
know what to do with them.  And as far as analyzing them 
that is way beyond my abilities!



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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Everytime, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug Buddy but B-B 
doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


snip

My iceweasel [1] never crashes. It's your addons.

[1] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 
Iceweasel/3.0.4 (Debian-3.0.4-1)



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Re: Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/23/08 17:32, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Everytime, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug Buddy but B-B 
doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


snip

My iceweasel [1] never crashes. It's your addons.

[1] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 
Iceweasel/3.0.4 (Debian-3.0.4-1)


Iceweasel (from Sid) crashes on me *occasionally*, but I always 
attributed it to running out of process memory.


I've now got a 64-bit kernel and 8GB RAM, but only for a week, so 
not long enough to gather any statistics.


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Bug Buddy doesn'r know about firefox/iceweasel

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

Everytime, which is often, Iceweasel crashes it runs Bug 
Buddy but B-B doesn't know where to send the dump, etc.


Anybody else seeing this? What do you do with the report?

What do you do about Iceweasel crashing?


The application firefox-bin has crashed.
Information about the crash has been successfully collected.

This application is not known to bug-buddy, therefore the
bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla.  Please
save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate
bug tracker for this application.



Thanks,
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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Bob Cox]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 18:26:57 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote: 

 I'm wondering if it has something to do with the socket selection at
 the server end.  Normally TCP will listen on port 80 and if a
 connection is requested it picks an ephemeral (unused, vacant, high
 address) port upon which to respond so that port 80 is free to answer
 other requests.  Depending on the implementation it likely picks
 different ports each time depending on the load.  this may account
 for the sporatic behavior

As noted elsewhere in this thread, port 50043 was what I was seeing in
the failure message, so perhaps this is a good theory of yours.

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Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Mathieu Malaterre]

Hi there,

  If I click on the following URLs:

* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev
* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev

  I can get a 404 error on the second one, however if I copy/paste
them directly in the URL bar, both appears to be working fine. I can
reproduce on firefox 3.0  2.0 on debian testing/stable.

  Could someone please try and report ?

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Juha Tuuna]

Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
   Could someone please try and report ?

Windows XP Pro SP3, Firefox 3.0.3
The first link usually works, not always though. The second one is just the
opposite, it usually doesn't work but sometimes it does.
Random generator?


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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Brad Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:17 +0200
 Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Mathieu,

 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev
 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev
   I can get a 404 error on the second one, however if I copy/paste
 them directly in the URL bar, both appears to be working fine. I can
 reproduce on firefox 3.0  2.0 on debian testing/stable.
   Could someone please try and report ?

 I get the same as you in Testing, using Iceweasel 3.0.3

ok, at least I am not going nuts :)

the sf.net admins says they cannot reproduce the issue:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detailatid=21aid=2172870group_id=1

I am not sure then who should I really report the bug to. Is there a
simple test to check what is the culprit party here ? something with
the curl command line to demonstrate that ?

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:17 +0200
Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mathieu,

 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev
 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev
   I can get a 404 error on the second one, however if I copy/paste
 them directly in the URL bar, both appears to be working fine. I can
 reproduce on firefox 3.0  2.0 on debian testing/stable.
   Could someone please try and report ?

I get the same as you in Testing, using Iceweasel 3.0.3

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Bob Cox]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:14:03 +0300, Juha Tuuna ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

 Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Could someone please try and report ?
 
 Windows XP Pro SP3, Firefox 3.0.3
 The first link usually works, not always though. The second one is just the
 opposite, it usually doesn't work but sometimes it does.
 Random generator?

Same here with Lenny and both Iceweasel 2.0.0.16 and with Opera 9.52.
When it fails it says:

The requested URL /gdcm/ was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net Port 50043

Why port 50043?

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

Hi there,

  If I click on the following URLs:

* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev


ii  iceweasel  3.0.1-1
OK



* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev



Not Found.






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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[John Hasler]

Both work fine from here five times in a row.  Iceweasel 3.0.1 on
Debian/Sid.
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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/17/08 03:14, Juha Tuuna wrote:

Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

  Could someone please try and report ?


Windows XP Pro SP3, Firefox 3.0.3
The first link usually works, not always though. The second one is just the
opposite, it usually doesn't work but sometimes it does.
Random generator?


Almost ditto on Iceweasel 3.0.3-2.

Each link was Not Found 4 of 5 times I clicked on the link.

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Jack Schneider]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:17 +0200
Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi there,
 
   If I click on the following URLs:
 
 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev
 * http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev
 
   I can get a 404 error on the second one, however if I copy/paste
 them directly in the URL bar, both appears to be working fine. I can
 reproduce on firefox 3.0  2.0 on debian testing/stable.
 
   Could someone please try and report ?
 
 thank you,
They both work for me... Lenny AMD64  FF 3.0.3

Have a great day!

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Marc Shapiro]

Brad Rogers wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:17 +0200
Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mathieu,

  

* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4628view=rev
* http://gdcm.svn.sourceforge.net/gdcm/?rev=4627view=rev
  I can get a 404 error on the second one, however if I copy/paste
them directly in the URL bar, both appears to be working fine. I can
reproduce on firefox 3.0  2.0 on debian testing/stable.
  Could someone please try and report ?



I get the same as you in Testing, using Iceweasel 3.0.3

  
I am using true Firefox 2.0 and about half the time I get the page to 
load when I click on the link.  The other half I get a 404.  I tried it 
10 times and I got a 404 just about every other time I clicked the 
link.  To me, that sounds more like a problem at the server end and not 
at the client end, but I can't say for sure.


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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[mess-mate]

John Hasler wrote:


Both work fine from here five times in a row.  Iceweasel 3.0.1 on
Debian/Sid.
  


No problem here with iceweasel-3.0.3 Lenny


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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:27:48 +0200
Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mathieu,

 ok, at least I am not going nuts :)

:-)

After Marc Shapiro replied, I realised that my one shot test was
probably not good enough so, like him, I tried several more times.  More
often than not, I got the correct file.  About 40% of the time a 404
error.  So, I'm at a loss.  Marc's theory has the beauty of it being
something other than Debian/FF/IW at fault.

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Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)

[owens]

 Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Issue with URL and firefox (iceweasel)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:12:58 +0100

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:27:48 +0200
Mathieu Malaterre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Mathieu,

 ok, at least I am not going nuts :)

:-)

After Marc Shapiro replied, I realised that my one shot test was
probably not good enough so, like him, I tried several more times. 
More
often than not, I got the correct file.  About 40% of the time a 404
error.  So, I'm at a loss.  Marc's theory has the beauty of it being
something other than Debian/FF/IW at fault.

 Thanks

You're welcome.

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I'm wondering if it has something to do with the socket selection at
the server end.  Normally TCP will listen on port 80 and if a
connection is requested it picks an ephemeral (unused, vacant, high
address) port upon which to respond so that port 80 is free to answer
other requests.  Depending on the implementation it likely picks
different ports each time depending on the load.  this may account
for the sporatic behavior
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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Bill Wohler]

Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
 libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
 weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.

You don't have to reboot to restart the X server. You have at least
two easy methods at your disposal to do so:

1. C-A-Backspace (that's Control-Alt-Backspace to non-Emacs folks)

2. /etc/init.d/gdm restart (replace gdm with your display manager)

I perform these after logging out in order to save my session.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:30:54AM -0700, Bill Wohler wrote:
 Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
  libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
  weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.
 
 You don't have to reboot to restart the X server. You have at least
 two easy methods at your disposal to do so:
 
 1. C-A-Backspace (that's Control-Alt-Backspace to non-Emacs folks)
 
 2. /etc/init.d/gdm restart (replace gdm with your display manager)

Yes, and when I mentioned restarting X what did you think that I meant? 
#1 above, in fact.
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Re: Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Jim McCloskey]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Jim McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. 

Thanks very much to everyone who responded and my apologies for my own 
slowness in response (many commitments yesterday). 

I don't use a display-manager so the FF3 problem is unrelated to that. I 
had re-booted a number of times in trying to debug this problem, so the 
problem is also unrelated to that.  

But it's now clear where the problem lies. I have been using 
the proprietary ATI drivers  (fglrx-driver, fglrx-glx, and fglrx-kernel-src 
as packaged for Debian). This is because I made the mistake of buying a 
('linux-ready') Thinkpad T60 with an ATI graphics adapter (the V5200) rather 
than an Intel graphics adapter, and I have regretted the mistake ever since. 
The proprietary ATI drivers have been a constant source of headaches and are 
very buggy.

I just installed the open-source radeonhd driver instead, re-configured and 
restarted X,  and the sluggishness problem with FF3 and Epiphany disappeared. 
So I can add to the list of fglrx-related problems that it interacts very badly 
with the Gecko rendering engine used currently by FF3 and Epiphany.

Unfortunately, the radeonhd driver is still very much in development and it 
still
lacks many of the features that one might want in a modern video driver---no 3D 
accelation, no XVideo extension, for instance.

So there are still no very good choices for linux users who have made the 
mistake
of buying a system which includes one of these new ATI adapters. But progress 
on 
the radeonhd drivers seems to be fairly fast ...

Thanks again to everyone who helped,

Jim





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Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Jim McCloskey]

An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
window. It's really unusable.

Is anyone else seeing this?

Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.

Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.

Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.

The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
mozilla.org.

sigh

Jim


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:24:33 -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
 
 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
 
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
 
 is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
 screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
 window. It's really unusable.
 
 Is anyone else seeing this?
 
 Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
 fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.
 
 This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
 called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.
 
 Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.
 
 Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.
 
 The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
 mozilla.org.

I suspect that this might have something to do with your video driver
and the acceleration method that is used. Please post the output of
these two commands:

grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:24:33 -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:

An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
window. It's really unusable.

Is anyone else seeing this?

Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.

Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.

Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.

The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
mozilla.org.


I suspect that this might have something to do with your video driver
and the acceleration method that is used. Please post the output of
these two commands:

grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log



Very good point:

/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:32SDB5# grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log

(II) LoadModule: nvidia
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: evdev
/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:38SDB5# grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log

(**) NVIDIA(0): Option RenderAccel True
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
/home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:44:17SDB5#

I see no performance problems with latest Sid IW.

Hugo


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Ron Johnson]

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On 07/20/08 09:46, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Florian Kulzer wrote:
[snip]

 I suspect that this might have something to do with your video driver
 and the acceleration method that is used. Please post the output of
 these two commands:

 grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

 grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

 
 Very good point:
 
 /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:32SDB5# grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/'
 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 (II) LoadModule: nvidia
 (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
 (II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
 compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
 Module class: X.Org Video Driver
 (II) LoadModule: evdev
 /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:43:38SDB5# grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA'
 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 (**) NVIDIA(0): Option RenderAccel True
 (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
 /home/hugoSun Jul 20-09:44:17SDB5#
 
 I see no performance problems with latest Sid IW.

I also see good video performance.

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: nvidia
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: kbd


$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option XAANoOffscreenPixmaps is not used

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Bill Wohler]

Jim McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

 is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
 screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
 window. It's really unusable.

 Is anyone else seeing this?

Nope.

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: radeon
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
(II) Module radeon: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 4.3.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled

It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
probably improve dramatically.

Florian, thanks for the grep examples. I didn't know about the -B and
-A flags, and they are bound to be handy!

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24:33AM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
 
 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
 
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
 
 is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
 screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
 window. It's really unusable.
 
 Is anyone else seeing this?
 
 Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
 fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.
 
 This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
 called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.
 
 Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.
 
 Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.
 
 The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
 mozilla.org.

In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.
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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Ron Johnson]

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On 07/20/08 11:44, Carl Fink wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24:33AM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

 is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
 screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
 window. It's really unusable.

 Is anyone else seeing this?

 Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
 fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

 This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
 called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.

 Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.

 Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.

 The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
 mozilla.org.
 
 In my case, a reboot was required to load the new versions of about a dozen
 libraries.  (Killing and restarting X did not do it.)  Once I did that,
 weird rendering problems in Gecko went away.  It can't hurt.

Most of you will yawn, and think, there he goes again, but this
why I don't like display managers.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Jim McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
 Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
 just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
 the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html

 is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
 screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
 window. It's really unusable.

 Is anyone else seeing this?

I have not seen this.


 Epiphany behaves similarly, but Konqueror and Mozilla are wonderfully
 fast, suggesting that the problem (whatever it is) lies with Gecko.

If Mozilla is fast then the problem is in your FF installation, not in Gecko.


 This last suspicion was confirmed when I installed epiphany-webkit and
 called it explicitly. It was just as fast as Konqueror and Mozilla.

 Upgrading to 3.0.1 in unstable makes matters, if anything, worse.

 Downgrading to version 2.0 in stable restores normal speed and usability.

 The problem is the same in the binary version available directly from 
 mozilla.org.

Have you tried cleaning your profile or tried a new profile? And as some others
said, restarting can sometimes fix issues with old libraries being
used, although
theoretically it shouldn't be needed.


Cheers,
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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:59:22 -0700, Bill Wohler wrote:
 Jim McCloskey writes:
 
  An upgrade to testing this afternoon unexpectedly brought me
  Firefox/Iceweasel 3.0, which was fairly exciting. Here, though, it is
  just agonizingly slow---10-12 seconds between clicking `Bookmarks' in
  the Toolbar and the display of the menu. Scrolling through:
 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/thrd4.html
 
  is like wading through thick, thick mud. When one moves from screen to
  screen, iceweasel/firefox takes about 7 or 8 seconds to redraw its
  window. It's really unusable.
 
  Is anyone else seeing this?
 
 Nope.
 
 $ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 (II) LoadModule: radeon

[...]

 (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
 (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
 (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
 
 It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
 your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
 probably improve dramatically.

OK, our mini-survey so far:

nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)

My experience with Intel 82Q963/Q965 and the Xorg intel driver:

with EXA: not as bad as what Jim describes, but slow enough to seriously
  deteriorate the browsing experience

with XAA: generally quite fast, only web sites with excessive use of
  background images slow it down noticeably, but not unbearably

Jim, if you have an intel card and use EXA (the default these days) then
a switch to XAA will improve your browsing experience significantly.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Florian Kulzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, our mini-survey so far:

 nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
 radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)

 My experience with Intel 82Q963/Q965 and the Xorg intel driver:

 with EXA: not as bad as what Jim describes, but slow enough to seriously
  deteriorate the browsing experience

 with XAA: generally quite fast, only web sites with excessive use of
  background images slow it down noticeably, but not unbearably

 Jim, if you have an intel card and use EXA (the default these days) then
 a switch to XAA will improve your browsing experience significantly.

I  have found EXA to work very well with the Radeon drivers (r300/r400).


Cheers,
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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Nick Lidakis]

Ron Johnson wrote:



Most of you will yawn, and think, there he goes again, but this
why I don't like display managers.


Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new 
changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?



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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

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On 07/20/08 12:44, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[snip]
 
 OK, our mini-survey so far:
 
 nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)

Actually, I do *not* have RenderAccel enabled.

$ grep 'Accel\|XAA\|EXA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option XAANoOffscreenPixmaps is not used

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

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On 07/20/08 13:01, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:
 

 Most of you will yawn, and think, there he goes again, but this
 why I don't like display managers.
 
 Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new
 changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?

According to Carl's experience, no.  Maybe he did something wrong?

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel 3: agony of the snail

[Nate Bargmann]

* Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 20 13:02 -0500]:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:59:22 -0700, Bill Wohler wrote:
  Nope.
  
  $ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
  (II) LoadModule: radeon
 
 [...]
 
  (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
  (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
  (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
  
  It sounds like others are OK too. The good news is that once you get
  your X drivers straightened out, your entire UI experience will
  probably improve dramatically.
 
 OK, our mini-survey so far:
 
 nvidia driver using nvidia's RenderAccel: fine (Hugo, Ron)
 radeon driver with XAA: fine (Bill)

I'm not seeing the IW problems and I'm using the Xorg radeon driver as
well:

$ grep -B1 -A4 'drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: radeon
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
(II) Module radeon: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 4.3.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
$ grep 'XAA' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
$

I'm also using IW3 on my T23 Thinkpad using the savage driver with no
speed issues.  I believe it also uses XAA.

- Nate 

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[Nate Bargmann]

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 On 07/20/08 13:01, Nick Lidakis wrote:
  Ron Johnson wrote:
  
 
  Most of you will yawn, and think, there he goes again, but this
  why I don't like display managers.
  
  Can you elaborate? With a display manager one cannot kill X to make new
  changes, like the aforementioned libraries, to take effect?
 
 According to Carl's experience, no.  Maybe he did something wrong?

I go into a root console and issue:

# /etc/init.d/kdm stop
# /etc/init.d/kdm start; exit

whenever X libraries, drivers, etc. are updated.  Ctl-e from KDM does
not do a complete kill and restart as near as I can tell.

- Nate 

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iceweasel 3 font size (was: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?)

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 18:38:08 -0700, Paul Scott wrote:

[...]

 That page looks fine here on IW3 but it still renders fonts too large on
 some other sites.

What do you mean by too large - larger than in iceweasel 2, or did
you really check the absolute font size? Which sites are we talking
about?

Please post the output of these commands:

xdpyinfo | grep 'dimens\|resol'

xrdb -query | grep Xft

grep 'font\.\|css\.dpi' ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/prefs.js

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Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Carl Fink]

I have 3.0~rc2-2 on my Testing system.  This page:

http://savethecracker.blogspot.com/

among others comes out as repetitive 1-inch graphical segments of various
parts of the page jumbled together.  It's apparently a Gecko problem,
because Epiphany does the same thing now that I've got Iceweasel 3.

Can anyone confirm?  If so, I'll report it as a bug.
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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have 3.0~rc2-2 on my Testing system.  This page:

 http://savethecracker.blogspot.com/

 among others comes out as repetitive 1-inch graphical segments of various
 parts of the page jumbled together.  It's apparently a Gecko problem,
 because Epiphany does the same thing now that I've got Iceweasel 3.

Same Iceweasel, but that page renders fine.

Patrick


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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Carl Fink wrote:

I have 3.0~rc2-2 on my Testing system.  This page:

http://savethecracker.blogspot.com/

among others comes out as repetitive 1-inch graphical segments of various
parts of the page jumbled together.  It's apparently a Gecko problem,
because Epiphany does the same thing now that I've got Iceweasel 3.

Can anyone confirm?  If so, I'll report it as a bug.


Looks OK here:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 
Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)


Debian Sid. Not my kind of website, but looks OK.

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RE: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

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 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

 I have 3.0~rc2-2 on my Testing system.  This page:

 http://savethecracker.blogspot.com/

 among others comes out as repetitive 1-inch graphical segments of
various
 parts of the page jumbled together.  It's apparently a Gecko problem,
 because Epiphany does the same thing now that I've got Iceweasel 3.

 Can anyone confirm?  If so, I'll report it as a bug.
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Running 3.0~rc2.2 on Debian Lenny (Testing) and the rendering looks good
to me.

Have fun!


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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Wayne Topa]

Carl Fink wrote:

I have 3.0~rc2-2 on my Testing system.  This page:

http://savethecracker.blogspot.com/

among others comes out as repetitive 1-inch graphical segments of various
parts of the page jumbled together.  It's apparently a Gecko problem,
because Epiphany does the same thing now that I've got Iceweasel 3.

Can anyone confirm?  If so, I'll report it as a bug.
  

Displays fine here with iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2.

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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Carl Fink]

OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in both
Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?

Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days) despite
installing several upgrades?
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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

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On 07/18/08 09:25, Carl Fink wrote:
 OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in both
 Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?
 
 Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days) despite
 installing several upgrades?

Maybe, if you use a display manager.

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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:25:35 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
 OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in both
 Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?

Epiphany is also based on the Gecko rendering engine, isn't it?

If you use an Intel integrated graphics card with  XAA acceleration, try
the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps workaround (see bug #482992).

 Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days) despite
 installing several upgrades?

To find out which services/processes need restarting after an upgrade,
run

lsof | grep path inode

as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
bug #491235).

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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Thomas Preud'homme]

The Friday 18 July 2008 18:07:41 Florian Kulzer, you wrote :
 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:25:35 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
  OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in
  both Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?

 Epiphany is also based on the Gecko rendering engine, isn't it?

 If you use an Intel integrated graphics card with  XAA acceleration, try
 the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps workaround (see bug #482992).

  Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days)
  despite installing several upgrades?

 To find out which services/processes need restarting after an upgrade,
 run

 lsof | grep path inode

 as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
 checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
 thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
 bug #491235).

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checkrestart (was Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 07/18/08 11:50, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
 The Friday 18 July 2008 18:07:41 Florian Kulzer, you wrote :
[snip]

 as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
 checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
 thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
 bug #491235).

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 Thanks for the debian-goodies tip. It's really a very useful package.

I've been using it for quite a while now, but is it at all useful
for non-daemons?

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Re: checkrestart (was Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?)

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20:34 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 07/18/08 11:50, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
  The Friday 18 July 2008 18:07:41 Florian Kulzer, you wrote :
 [snip]
 
  as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
  checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
  thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
  bug #491235).

  Thanks for the debian-goodies tip. It's really a very useful package.
 
 I've been using it for quite a while now, but is it at all useful
 for non-daemons?

Besides the various system daemons, I often find that I have to restart
X and services that were started in the X session (ssh-agent, gpg-agent,
various KDE-related background processes). On occasion I additionally
see login, bash and the ttys in the output of checkrestart.

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Re: checkrestart (was Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?)

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On 07/18/08 15:12, Florian Kulzer wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20:34 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 07/18/08 11:50, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
 The Friday 18 July 2008 18:07:41 Florian Kulzer, you wrote :
 [snip]
 as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
 checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
 thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
 bug #491235).
 Thanks for the debian-goodies tip. It's really a very useful package.
 I've been using it for quite a while now, but is it at all useful
 for non-daemons?
 
 Besides the various system daemons, I often find that I have to restart
 X and services that were started in the X session (ssh-agent, gpg-agent,
 various KDE-related background processes). On occasion I additionally
 see login, bash and the ttys in the output of checkrestart.

Ah.  I drop into the console to do major updates, so never see that
stuff.

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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:07:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:25:35 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
  OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in both
  Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?
 
 Epiphany is also based on the Gecko rendering engine, isn't it?
 
 If you use an Intel integrated graphics card with  XAA acceleration, try
 the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps workaround (see bug #482992).
 
  Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days) despite
  installing several upgrades?
 
 To find out which services/processes need restarting after an upgrade,
 run
 
 lsof | grep path inode
 
 as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
 checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
 thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
 bug #491235).

There were lots, and restarting X didn't free them.  A restart fixed the
problem.

Thanks. 
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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Paul Scott]

Carl Fink wrote:
 OK, if the page looks fine to everyone else, why would it be wrong in both
 Epiphany and Iceweasel on my box?

 Could it be that I've been reluctant to restart X (up for 74 days) despite
 installing several upgrades?
   
That page looks fine here on IW3 but it still renders fonts too large on
some other sites.

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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Paul Scott]

Carl Fink wrote:

 as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
 checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
 thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
 bug #491235).
 

 There were lots, and restarting X didn't free them.  A restart fixed the
 problem.
   
You mean rebooting?

Thanks,

Paul



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Re: Firefox (Iceweasel) 3: is this page rendered horribly?

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:40:31PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
 Carl Fink wrote:
 
  as root. This should list all processes that hang on to stale files. The
  checkrestart command from debian-goodies is supposed to do the same
  thing more comfortably, but this does not work for me at the moment (see
  bug #491235).
  
 
  There were lots, and restarting X didn't free them.  A restart fixed the
  problem.

 You mean rebooting?

That's exactly what I meant.
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Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[mess-mate]

Remys Morrissette wrote:

 Remys Morrissette wrote:

 Essais-de brancher tes écouteurs, haut-parleur, dans l'autre sortie
 lors de l'écoute de la dites vidéo.

 mess-mate a écrit :

 Merci mais j'ai qu'une carte son en PCI donc pas de module sur la
 carte mère.
 C'est bizarre que le problème vient seulement de iceweasel.
 De ce fait j'ai tendance à croire qu'un plugin est manquant ou non
 avenu.


 Le problème que j'avais eu était un problème provenant de OSS et de ALSA,
 et mes 2 cartes de son étant configurées différemment, j'avais le son
 sur une et pas sur l'autre.

 ---

 $ cat /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
  # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
  ICEWEASEL_DSP=none
 
 
  Oui c'est configuré comme ça..


 Chez moi c'est : à 'auto'

 ---

 J'ai aussi trouvé un post avec un problème et une solution semblable :


 http://debian-facile.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=476 :


 D'abord verifier que alsa-oss est installé sinon il faut l'installer
 Code:
 apt-get install alsa-oss

 Modifier le fichier iceweaselrc dans /etc/iceweasel/
 il y a deux lignes dans ce fichier, il faut modifier la ligne suivante:

 Code:

 ICEWEASEL_DSP=none

 en

 Code:

 ICEWEASEL_DSP=aoss

 ensuite dans un terminal en mode super utilisateur lancé la config de
 alsa avec cette commande :

 Code:

 alsaconf

 re installer la carte son puis hop ca marche



 Remys


merci, mais même 'auto' n'arrange rien :(


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Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[Remys Morrissette]

mess-mate a écrit :


j'ai des machines toutes avec la 'etch' installé ainsi que les
mêmes plugins dans iceweasel, mais je n'arrive pas à avoir du son avec
une de ces machines.
 


Je précise que ce n'est que dans iceweasel que le son ne marche pas lors
d'une vidéo sur le net.



Resalut,

Est-ce que tes machines on la même configuration matériel ?

As-tu fait une comparatifs des fichiers installées sur une machine 
fonctionnelles versus celle qui ne fonctionne pas ?


As-tu un site de vidéo en particulier (pour faire des tests ici)


Remys


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son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[mess-mate]

Bonjour, j'ai des machines toutes avec la 'etch' installé ainsi que les
mêmes plugins dans iceweasel, mais je n'arrive pas à avoir du son avec
une de ces machines.

Voici les plugins installés :

flashplayer.xptlibtotem-basic-plugin.so   
mozplugger.so  nphelix.so
libflashplayer.so  libtotem-complex-plugin.so 
mplayerplug-in-dvx.so  nphelix.xpt
libjavaplugin_nscp.so  libtotem-gmp-plugin.so 
mplayerplug-in-qt.so   npjp2_linux_jasper_pthread.so
libjavaplugin_oji.so   libtotem-mully-plugin.so   
mplayerplug-in-rm.so   nppdf.so
libnpsoplugin.so   libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so 
mplayerplug-in.so  rage128_vid.so
libnullplugin.so   libvlcplugin.so mplayerplug-in-wmp.so


Je précise que ce n'est que dans iceweasel que le son ne marche pas lors
d'une vidéo sur le net.


merci d'avance pour l'aide


mess-mate




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Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[Remys Morrissette]

mess-mate a écrit :


Je précise que ce n'est que dans iceweasel que le son ne marche pas lors
d'une vidéo sur le net.Bonjour,


Salut

une piste peut-être (?) ... (car j'ai déjà eu un problème semblable.)


As-tu 2 cartes de son, une externe (pci ou autre) et une intégrée sur ta 
carte mère ?


Essais-de brancher tes écouteurs, haut-parleur, dans l'autre sortie lors 
de l'écoute de la dites vidéo.



Remys


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Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[Bulot Grégory]

Le samedi 23 février 2008 16:25, mess-mate a écrit :
 Bonjour, j'ai des machines toutes avec la 'etch' installé ainsi que les
 mêmes plugins dans iceweasel, mais je n'arrive pas à avoir du son avec
 une de ces machines.

$ cat /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
# which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
ICEWEASEL_DSP=none

Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[mess-mate]

Bulot Grégory wrote:

 Le samedi 23 février 2008 16:25, mess-mate a écrit :
   
 Bonjour, j'ai des machines toutes avec la 'etch' installé ainsi que les
 mêmes plugins dans iceweasel, mais je n'arrive pas à avoir du son avec
 une de ces machines.
 

 $ cat /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
 # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
 ICEWEASEL_DSP=none


   
Oui c'est configuré comme ça..



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Re: son dans firefox (iceweasel)

[mess-mate]

Remys Morrissette wrote:

 mess-mate a écrit :

 Je précise que ce n'est que dans iceweasel que le son ne marche pas lors
 d'une vidéo sur le net.Bonjour,

 Salut

 une piste peut-être (?) ... (car j'ai déjà eu un problème semblable.)


 As-tu 2 cartes de son, une externe (pci ou autre) et une intégrée sur
 ta carte mère ?

 Essais-de brancher tes écouteurs, haut-parleur, dans l'autre sortie
 lors de l'écoute de la dites vidéo.


 Remys


Merci mais j'ai qu'une carte son en PCI donc pas de module sur la carte
mère.
C'est bizarre que le problème vient seulement de iceweasel.
De ce fait j'ai tendance à croire qu'un plugin est manquant ou non avenu.

mess-mate



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