Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 12 mai 11, 15:28:03, Freeman wrote: [big snip] Except for top posting. That's an absolute. :) Well, it can be argued that bottom-posting-without-trimming is even worse :p Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 12 mai 11, 16:20:39, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 12. 05. 2011 12:21:49 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a): +1 all all points made by Boyd and Klistvud. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-13 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:10:45 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camale�n wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-13 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:57:53 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:59:42AM +, Camale�n wrote: .snip I'm fine if someone asks me off-list about anything (I reply almost all of them) but something that is being discussed in a public thread

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-13 Thread Lisi
On Friday 13 May 2011 15:43:43 Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:57:53 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:59:42AM +, Camale�n wrote: .snip I'm fine if someone asks me off-list about anything (I reply almost all of them) but

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Camaleón, Am 2011-05-11 20:30:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: As a rule of thumb I always *reply* to the list and *resend* to the list all the messages I receive, unless: 1/ I know beforehand the person is replying me and can easily see the user wants to go private. 1+ 2/ The

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: (...) IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: Should a user states his/ her desire to keep a private conversation... +1

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In pan.2011.05.12.09.59...@gmail.com, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: Should a user states his/ her

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand. IMHO, that rule lacks the following preface: Should

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In pan.2011.05.12.10.29...@gmail.com, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand.

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 12 May 2011 05:21:49 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In pan.2011.05.12.09.59...@gmail.com, Camaleón wrote: It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to be private or not. No, it is not. I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 12 May 2011 05:49:53 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In pan.2011.05.12.10.29...@gmail.com, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:11:47 -0400, PMA wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Do not quote messages that were sent

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread teddieeb
Camaleón said: It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to be private or not. No, it is not. I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the mailing list. So as I am not

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: +20 Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred. Pick your battles a bit wiser. TeddyB I have tried (rather well) to steer

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 12. 05. 2011 12:21:49 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a): In pan.2011.05.12.09.59...@gmail.com, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:30 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: IMHO, that

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Freeman
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:24:30PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Freeman
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:15:55PM -0700, evenso wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:24:30PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camale�n wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention unpleasant. What

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:59:42AM +, Camale�n wrote: .snip I'm fine if someone asks me off-list about anything (I reply almost all of them) but something that is being discussed in a public thread should be kept public... unless (I repeat) the user

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-12 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:03:52AM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: +20 Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred. Pick your

Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Lisi
Putting this back on list. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself Date: Wednesday 11 May 2011 From: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net To: Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com Lisi wrote: I have used this list for some years now, and find it to be very well

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Lisi wrote: Putting this back on list. This was a private email. It was not meant to be sent to the list. I would think it's generally accepted that it's rather rude to do so. -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html -- To

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
Jeroen Van Aart wrote: I see one of the main reasons spam emails actually make it to the list is the policy of allowing non subscribers to email the list. I find this policy, even though it's commendable, not something suited for this day and age of email abuse. [...] A mailing list

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 08:31:36 Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Putting this back on list. This was a private email. It was not meant to be sent to the list. I would think it's generally accepted that it's rather rude to do so. -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson
On May 11, 2011 4:33 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 08:31:36 Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Putting this back on list. This was a private email. It was not meant to be sent to the list. I would think it's generally accepted that it's rather rude to

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 09:53:38 shawn wilson wrote: On May 11, 2011 4:33 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 08:31:36 Jeroen van Aart wrote: Ahhh, I read threads like this on reddit (and other online forums) when I'm bored or just want to cringe at something. I

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread consul tores
2011/5/11 Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com: I think of spammers like terrorist, abusing the internet. If defending from them makes the internet less free then they won. If preventing non subscribers from sending email is too big of a step you can always automatically moderate emails

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Chris Brennan
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:53 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: Ahhh, I read threads like this on reddit (and other online forums) when I'm bored or just want to cringe at something. I never thought the likes of that would reach this list. This thread has been nothing but hysterical

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention unpleasant. What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the following: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Do not

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention unpleasant. What you say is untrue. The code of conduct clearly states the

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: There are plenty of broken webmail services (i.e., Gmail) that by default reply to the user's e-mail address instead to the e-mail address of the mailing list and

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/11/2011 06:40 AM, consul tores wrote: [snip] Could you please explain which concept of terrorists are you referring to? Real or political? Do any terrorists have (in the broad sense of the term) non-political aims. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Freeman
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you to email me privately, not to mention unpleasant. What

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Freeman
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:54:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/11/2011 06:40 AM, consul tores wrote: [snip] Could you please explain which concept of terrorists are you referring to? Real or political? Do any terrorists have (in the broad sense of the term) non-political aims. --

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread teddieeb
Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well, in which he completely ignored every validation to the points I made, especially the ones about helping others before you go off trying to dictate group policy... I find emailing somebody off list like this, especially after one user in

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:50 PM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well, in which he completely ignored every validation to the points I made, especially the ones about helping others before you go off trying to dictate group policy... I

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread PMA
It's hard to see a humble opinion (IMHO) in this, flatly denying the rule. Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Do not quote messages that were sent to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand. IMHO, that rule lacks the

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-05-11 03:32:58 Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 08:31:36 Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: Putting this back on list. This was a private email. It was not meant to be sent to the list. I would think it's generally accepted that it's rather rude to do so. It is list policy not

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-05-11 17:35:20 Freeman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:30:49PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:55:48 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Lisi wrote: It is list policy not to send private replies to list mail. And I thought that it was rude of you to email me privately,

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-05-11 17:50:25 teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well. And again your complaining about spam jeroen, yours is the only spam I have seen today, From http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spam: spam (countable and uncountable; plural spams) 1.

Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself

2011-05-11 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-05-11 18:11:56 shawn wilson wrote: this thread still doesn't have an OT in the subject! It does here: Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM