Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-26 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 12:12, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 12:00:46PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [You seem to be breaking attributions - who said this?] Why can't the installer ask what the CPU is and if it's an x86 then use kudzu and if it isn't don't? Wouldn't

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Peter Whysall
on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And Knoppix uses Kudzu And Kudzu is available as a Debian package Then why don't we (Debian) use Kudzu as an installation tool? How many of the 11 official architectures does Kudzu run on? P. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:03:03PM -0500, Kent West wrote: David Fokkema wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0500, Kent West wrote: I put Debian on a SunBlade 150 last year. This week I plan to attempt to put it on four SunBlade 2000s for a university computer lab. I've also

RE: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 02:28:38AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren M Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-User Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Good Debian-based distro -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: The Social Contract states we will be guided by the needs of our users. You left out ...and the free software community the Free Software community is not interested in being locked into architectures any more than it is interested in being

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:35:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You may want to have a look at knoppix, they have a live CD so that folks can experiment with it. It can then bee installed to HD if folks wish to do so. Best of all it's Debian based... I have had a look at it and

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread tallison
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:09:45 +0100 Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there a buzzword to reference? Yes. Portability. The same Debian Installer runs on 11 different architectures. Knoppix doesn't. If a

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Johann Koenig
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Because Debian is available for nearly ever hardware out there. http://www.debian.org/ports Redhat supports significantly less platforms.

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:48:14PM -0700, Loren M Lang wrote: I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good and user friendly install program. Xandros? Knoppix? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Peter Whysall
on Tue, Aug 12, 2003, Andrew Malcolmson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The Social Contract states we will be guided by the needs of our users. Has anyone done a poll on how many Debian users still run non-i386 systems? You seem bothered about it. Are you volunteering? Sure portability sounds

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:23:24PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:13:10AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Bummer. I had administrator access to our Sparc server for using as a tftp server, but I reckon in a case like yours, you might could have created a mini-LAN with a

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Luc Lefebvre
I agree, Koppix does a great job of hardware detection and system configuration. This is one thing that tends to scare off linux neophites. Getting this *right* is very important IMHO, and Knoppix is a big step in the right direction in that respect. The second one is keeping the system up

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
David Fokkema wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:03:03PM -0500, Kent West wrote: It's been a year, so my memory is hazy, but I probably started with Potato (or whatever was stable then) and then upgraded to Sid. I never could boot [the Sparc SunBlade 150] off of local media; I resorted to a

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
David Fokkema wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0500, Kent West wrote: I put Debian on a SunBlade 150 last year. This week I plan to attempt to put it on four SunBlade 2000s for a university computer lab. I've also got it on my Macintosh G4. And I'm very glad Debian is ported to

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 01:48, Loren M Lang wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good and user friendly install program. I love debian much better than redhat based distros mostly for the packaging system, especially all those

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 12:00:46PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [You seem to be breaking attributions - who said this?] Why can't the installer ask what the CPU is and if it's an x86 then use kudzu and if it isn't don't? Wouldn't that work on all platforms? Or can't an x86 CPU be

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread tallison
Hi, You may want to have a look at knoppix, they have a live CD so that folks can experiment with it. It can then bee installed to HD if folks wish to do so. Best of all it's Debian based... I have had a look at it and was impressed by it. cheers I found the hardware detection

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
Andrew Malcolmson wrote: Sure portability sounds nice, but what is a hppa, anyway? How many users still run sparcs? Why should I as a user have to I put Debian on a SunBlade 150 last year. This week I plan to attempt to put it on four SunBlade 2000s for a university computer lab. I've also

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:13:10AM -0500, Kent West wrote: David Fokkema wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:03:03PM -0500, Kent West wrote: It's been a year, so my memory is hazy, but I probably started with Potato (or whatever was stable then) and then upgraded to Sid. I never could

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0500, Kent West wrote: Andrew Malcolmson wrote: Sure portability sounds nice, but what is a hppa, anyway? How many users still run sparcs? Why should I as a user have to I put Debian on a SunBlade 150 last year. This week I plan to attempt to put

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:35:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I found the hardware detection excellent! IMHO this is one area that Debian needs some work. Search the archives

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Malcolmson
Luc Lefebvre wrote: I agree, Koppix does a great job of hardware detection and system configuration. This is one thing that tends to scare off linux neophites. Getting this *right* is very important IMHO, and Knoppix is a big step in the right direction in that respect. The second one is

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Kimber
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:09:45 +0100 Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there a buzzword to reference? Yes. Portability. The same Debian Installer runs on 11 different architectures. Knoppix doesn't. If a

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Johann Koenig
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:51:15 +0100 Richard Kimber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:09:45 +0100 Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there a buzzword to reference? Yes. Portability. The

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-12 Thread David Fokkema
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:48:14PM -0700, Loren M Lang wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good and user friendly install program. I love debian much better than redhat based distros mostly for the packaging system

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-12 Thread tallison
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Because Debian is available for nearly ever hardware out there. http://www.debian.org/ports Redhat supports significantly less platforms. http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/platform/linux/redhat.com/dist/linux/9/en/os/ shows only i386. They can afford to tailor

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-12 Thread bob parker
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:26, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 02:28:38AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren M Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-User Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Good Debian-based distro You might want to try burning them a copy

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-11 Thread tallison
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:35:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You may want to have a look at knoppix, they have a live CD so that folks can experiment with it. It can then bee installed to HD if folks wish to do so. Best of all it's Debian based... I have had a look at it

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-11 Thread Peter Whysall
on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there a buzzword to reference? Yes. Portability. The same Debian Installer runs on 11 different architectures. Knoppix doesn't. If a decision was made to break the installer on platforms such as hppa and sparc in favour of

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-11 Thread Johann Koenig
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A quickie search shows that Knoppix uses Kudzu which is originally supplied by RedHat and is now available as a Debian package. So... If Knoppix has better hardware detection than base Debian And Knoppix uses Kudzu And

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-11 Thread tallison
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:35:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You may want to have a look at knoppix, they have a live CD so that folks can experiment with it. It can then bee installed to HD if folks wish to do so. Best of all it's Debian based... I have had a look at it

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-11 Thread tallison
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Because Debian is available for nearly ever hardware out there. http://www.debian.org/ports Redhat supports significantly less platforms.

Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-10 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good and user friendly install program. I love debian much better than redhat based distros mostly for the packaging system, especially all those apt-* commands. Though for my less linux experienced

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Sunday 10 August 2003 8:48 am, Loren M Lang wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a good debian-based distro with a good and user friendly install program. I love debian much better than redhat based distros mostly for the packaging system, especially all