Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-27 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: ... I should probably explain my propensity to install a base system, get it running, and then use the package manager to add the rest. It comes from long years of usage of Red Hat, Caldera, Mandrake/Mandriva, and Ubuntu. On

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-26 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 07:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: ... I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. ... Then I did the following: apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies apt-get install

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 21 mar 14, 10:34:03, Darac Marjal wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. Seriously? I'd find that to be a

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-25 12:08:12 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Alt-SysRq-F is disabled on sid: mar 25 12:03:28 sid kernel: SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled. But what if someone logs in, uses all the memory left (possibly not even in a malicious way) so that this triggers the OOM killer, and the

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-24 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-23 21:06:55 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using a log-file, given that you indeed don't have ~/.xinitrc . So maybe the man-page of startx(1) has to be updated, since it

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-24 Thread Brian
On Mon 24 Mar 2014 at 12:37:36 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2014-03-23 21:06:55 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using a log-file, given that you indeed don't have

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-23 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using a log-file, given that you indeed don't have ~/.xinitrc . So maybe the man-page of startx(1) has to be updated, since it only talks about ~/.xinitrc . Best regards, Jörg-Volker.

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-21 17:13:41 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Vincent Lefevre writes: The fact that it is multi-user doesn't mean that it will necessarily be used by several desktop users. You can remove spawning the getty on tty you don't want to use. I don't know how to do this with

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-21 13:35:37 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: To cure my paranoia of having stdout going to an unknown place, I made the following executable /usr/local/bin/exx: == #!/bin/bash startx /dev/null exit == I invoke

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file ~/.xinitrc : sessid=${HOSTNAME:-$(uname -n)}-${DISPLAY##*:} # Send output to file # logfile=${XDG_CACHE_HOME:-$HOME}/xinit-${sessid}.log :

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-22 02:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file ~/.xinitrc : sessid=${HOSTNAME:-$(uname -n)}-${DISPLAY##*:} # Send output to file #

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Brian
On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 17:50:11 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file ~/.xinitrc : This is the

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Bill Wood
On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 19:14 +, Brian wrote: . . . This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file in his account. A happy Debian system is one with ~/.xsession. I'm a Debian newbie, so --

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-03-22 20:14 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 17:50:11 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Brian
On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 15:02:58 -0500, Bill Wood wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 19:14 +, Brian wrote: . . . This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file in his account. A happy Debian

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-22 Thread Brian
On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 21:19:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-03-22 20:14 +0100, Brian wrote: This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file in his account. Care to elaborate why not?

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 mar 14, 12:44:21, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Anyone with physical access to your computer could: a) logout of your gui session (if it's not screensaver locked), taking them back to your command line, and depending on your settings of /etc/sudoers tty_tickets or respectively

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 21 March 2014 04:29:25 Ken Heard wrote: I discovered just a few minutes ago (c. 11:00 2014-03-21 Friday where I am) that the latest kernel in wheezy-backports is 3.13.0.bpo1-amd64 Thanks for the heads up Ken. Have just run full-upgrade. Though I will have ot resatrt to change

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 21 March 2014 05:06:52 Andrei POPESCU wrote: However, if you are running amd64 (64 bit) instead of i386 (32 bit) those kernels will not be available for you to install via apt-get. I get them via aptitude on Wheezy. I initially installed the backported kernel (new hardware), and

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Andrei POPESCU writes: 3. any user, with or without root access, who doesn't lock his workstation as needed[1] deserves his fate. And does not uses startx; exit You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. -- /\ ___

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1 through 12, respectively. This can be disabled with the DontVTSwitch

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 21 mar 14, 08:10:44, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 21 March 2014 05:06:52 Andrei POPESCU wrote: However, if you are running amd64 (64 bit) instead of i386 (32 bit) those kernels will not be available for you to install via apt-get. I get them via aptitude on Wheezy. I initially

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. Seriously? I'd find that to be a severe bug in the said locking application. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 09:24:21 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1 through 12,

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:52:03AM +, Brian wrote: In an xterm (with or without using DontVTSwitch): brian@localhost:~$ chvt 4 Couldn't gat a file descriptor referring to the console Doubt no longer. :) Try via sudo. (risk reduced to: X session left open, terminal left open,

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. Seriously? I'd find that to be a severe bug in the said locking application. It's a

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 10:24:54 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:52:03AM +, Brian wrote: In an xterm (with or without using DontVTSwitch): brian@localhost:~$ chvt 4 Couldn't gat a file descriptor referring to the console Doubt no longer. :) Try

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Robin
I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? -- rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? Maybe, maybe not. Console access doesn't have to mean complete access. The

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 11:18:19 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? Maybe, maybe

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.03.2014 15:03, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Wednesday 19 March 2014 11:25:44 Stephen Powell wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: ... I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. ... Then I did the following: apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies apt-get

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.03.2014 02:44, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI via the desktop manager. But when setting it up for myself or for people technically sharp enough to log in and then type

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Would you forgive me if I don't do the test right now and continue to do the work I am paid for :) ? -- /\ ___Ubuntu:

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.03.2014 13:54, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Would you forgive me if I don't do the test right now and continue to do the work I am paid for :) ? Currently,

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/21/2014 12:43 AM, Ken Heard wrote: On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Robin
On 21 March 2014 11:18, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? Maybe,

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Valerio Vanni
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk ha scritto nel messaggio news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx exit' prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT+FN etc gets console access? I've always used startx

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Le 21.03.2014 13:54, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Me _idiot_! (despite the triple expresso shot). I should have

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 21 March 2014 11:06:03 Robin wrote: If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? The default on Debian since I have been using it is that the root password is required for access via single user

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 14:25:14 +0100, Valerio Vanni wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk ha scritto nel messaggio news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx exit' prevent the termination of an X session even

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-21 10:34:03 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. Seriously? I'd find that to be a

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-21 11:41:29 +, Brian wrote: For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx exit' prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT+FN etc gets console access? Doing the exit immediately can have some side effects in some configurations. For instance, my

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Vincent Lefevre writes: The fact that it is multi-user doesn't mean that it will necessarily be used by several desktop users. You can remove spawning the getty on tty you don't want to use. I don't know how to do this with systemd... With init you had some nice and well commented entries in

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:24:21 + Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:06:03 + Robin rc.rattusrat...@gmail.com wrote: I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? Unless you have a BIOS password or encrypted root

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com writes: I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink with the command prompt. Easier and

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:25:14 +0100 Valerio Vanni vale...@valeriovanni.com wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk ha scritto nel messaggio news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx exit' prevent the termination

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:06:03 + Robin rc.rattusrat...@gmail.com wrote: I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink with

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-21 Thread Brian
On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink with

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 19.03.2014 um 15:32 schrieb Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com: My latest experience was a new installation of Wheezy in a new box. It took me the entire month of January to get the OS and essential applications to the point where the machine became usable. Yes it works, but so does a

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Helmut Wollmersdorfer writes: Desktops and laptops get whole disk or whole free space. I admit that a common user could not be able to benefit from LVM, but keeping at least system software on one partitions and homes on another could ease distribution reinstallations. -- /\

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-03-20 12:44:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: When logging in at the Linux console (on current kernels at least), then running startx, there is a security problem: Anyone with physical access to your computer could: a) logout of your gui session (if it's not screensaver locked),

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 20 March 2014 00:12:53 Charles Kroeger wrote: I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many enjoyable years. Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh Northern Irish or just British I'm a European British English Cockney. Well, I would be if the Germans hadn't

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Curt
On 2014-03-20, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: For instance, type: sleep 2; exit and Ctrl-C just after. The sleep 2 is interrupted, but exit isn't run. You could still do exec startx, but this may not be OK if you want *logout files to be sourced for clean-up. Not using sudo

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. 2. Motherboard and graphic card chips can be a problem in general, new or old. I try to stick with

Re: d-i LVM bugs and sound [Re: Great Debian experience]

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 22:31, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: My latest experience was a new installation of Wheezy in a new box. It took me the entire month of January to get the OS and essential applications to the point where

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/03/14 22:29, Joel Rees wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net mailto:z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com mailto:bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. 2.

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: I have a specific set of secrets: * Use the network installer, Did CLI (ncurses) mode, Was not sure what these were but discovered that I did use CLI but not ncurses. Expert

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Brian
On Thu 20 Mar 2014 at 12:44:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI via the desktop manager. But when setting it up for myself or for people technically sharp enough to log

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
Hi, Ken, On Thursday 20 March 2014 13:33:17 Ken Heard wrote: I think having new hardware newer than available drivers probably did contribute to some of my problems. I did not however want to try something new like one of the buntus, even though they are based on Debian; so I stuck with

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 21:19, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have Wheezy 7.4, Trinity 3.5.13.2 and a backported kernel, currently 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64. I have done nothing special - just updated and upgraded fairly often. Would this newer kernel perhaps solve some

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 20 March 2014 14:51:25 Ken Heard wrote:  I also seem to remember that about a year ago you had trouble activating sound in your machine.  I will work on that problem when I have time. Yes. :-( And my husband's sound is still not working - he only wanted it for the first time the

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 22:12, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 20 March 2014 14:51:25 Ken Heard wrote: I also seem to remember that about a year ago you had trouble activating sound in your machine. I will work on that problem when I have time. Yes. :-(

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 22:48:49 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:44:21 +1100 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: SO: what to do? What I did for a while was: a) log in to Linux console b) startx; exit Outstanding! I'm going to start doing

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Furie
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 09:51:25PM +0700, Ken Heard wrote: Since reading your post I discovered that the latest kernel now available is 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 which I will now install. There are other kernels mentioned in wheezy-backports labelled pae. Since I don't know what that means I will

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than the two hard drives already there and used for the RAID1. I consequently made a virtue out of necessity by deciding that I

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than the two hard drives already there and used

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Reco
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 03:12:12AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Am I missing something here?  When I dig into my LVM setup, I note that much of the LVM functionality seems to be oriented to providing RAID-like functionality. Would that explain why people don't seem to be using LVM together with

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: * Tell it to include the nonfree repos Did not, but ending up installing the ones I needed anyway. Hi

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 21:51, Ken Heard wrote: On 2014-03-20 21:19, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have Wheezy 7.4, Trinity 3.5.13.2 and a backported kernel, currently 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64. I have done nothing special - just updated and upgraded fairly often.

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than the two hard drives already there

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 mar 14, 21:51:25, Ken Heard wrote: Since reading your post I discovered that the latest kernel now available is 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 which I will now install. There are other kernels mentioned in wheezy-backports labelled pae. Since I don't know what that means I will avoid them.

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 04:30, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/03/14 16:28, Ken Heard wrote: On 2014-03-21 04:30, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: *

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Here's why I like Debian Stable... My daughter's computer broke, so last night I took a three year, 3GB RAM, old wreck of a laptop and, using the Debian 7.4 network installer, installed Wheezy. I chose expert install, told it to install the

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: ... I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. ... Then I did the following: apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies apt-get install synaptic apt-get install iceweasel ... I realize that this is too late for this install, but

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 11:25:44 Stephen Powell wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: ... I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. ... Then I did the following: apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies apt-get install synaptic apt-get install

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various iterations of Debian working out of the box. Ever since Sarge I have had no end of trouble either with new installations or upgrades, to the point that I dread every new iteration. I

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Mike McGinn
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:32:10 Ken Heard wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various iterations of Debian working out of the box. Ever since Sarge I have had no end of trouble either with new installations or upgrades, to the point that I dread every new

d-i LVM bugs and sound [Re: Great Debian experience]

2014-03-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: My latest experience was a new installation of Wheezy in a new box. It took me the entire month of January to get the OS and essential applications to the point where the machine became usable. Yes it works, but so does a Ford model T. For example I wanted

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper to use the term 'fenestrated' it is an adjective. In anatomy, this would apply to 'having perforations, apertures suggesting

Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 15:50:41 Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: And last but not least, booting to CLI and using startx gives me that nostalgic feeling for when I was a young whippersnapper using Red Hat 5.1. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 21:32:10 +0700 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various iterations of Debian working out of the box. Ever since Sarge I have had no end of trouble either with

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT). Lisi Reisz wrote: Choosing XFCE from the beginning has already been suggested. I suggested choosing expert install and then choosing XFCE before being taken back to the ordinary installation. This also has the advantage that you don't have to type

Great Debian experience, part 2

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Last night I took a 2GB RAM, 2006 Compaq laptop, and used the Debian 7.4.0 to put Wheezy on it. It went almost as smoothly as the first one, but... * Half way thru the install for 64 bit it told me there were no suitable kernels. Even though the laptop identifies as a 64 bit 2 core

Startx: was Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:03:03 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Choosing XFCE from the beginning has already been suggested.I suggested choosing expert install and then choosing XFCE before being taken back to the ordinary installation. This also has the advantage that you

Re: Great Debian experience, part 2

2014-03-19 Thread Marc Auslander
I'm running squeeze on a 2003 IBM T40 - also 2Gig. It runs fine and runs Lotus Notes fine as well. I'm backlevel because Notes is broken on the latest Gnome. It's just a machine I use to boot, look, shutdown and it's wonderfully fast for that. Replaced Windows XP which was a pig and going out

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/03/14 01:32, Ken Heard wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various iterations of Debian working out of the box. That it does happen is testament that Debian does things right. The vast majority of people who install Debian for their own use make little or no

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/03/14 04:47, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper to use the term 'fenestrated' it is an adjective. In anatomy, this would

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/03/14 04:47, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper to use the term 'fenestrated' it is an adjective. In anatomy,

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 19:45:58 Stephen Powell wrote: Perhaps you suggested this in another thread, but I don't see it it this thread, Lisi. Probably - I didn't check. I was just referring to your reference to the information being too late for thsi install. But I believe that the

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 23:18:09 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
Reposting to try to get this in the correct thread. On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: fenestral hordes. I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper to use

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 00:30:03 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: You must be American! I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many enjoyable years. Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh Northern Irish or just British I got the original from a reference to

Re: Great Debian experience

2014-03-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/03/14 11:12, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 00:30:03 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: You must be American! I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many enjoyable years. Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh Northern Irish or just

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