On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 13:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The only permanent solution to this confusion is for
accurate. AMD renamed the
architecture from x86-64 to AMD64 to brand it, much to my chagrin.
Currently, AMD64 is the technically accurate name of the ISA. AMD
deprecated x86-64.
Please read my post which stated why both the AMD64 and IA64 port names
must be changed simultaneously for any renaming
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:47:55 -0500
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Hello Stan,
name I suggest above allows even the most challenged users to
understand.
I disagree. the use of the letters INTL are already
Am Sonntag, 30. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
Having said that, I am aware that something is changing as the
IA64/AMD64 question is getting asked more frequently these days.
Whether that's because there are more adopters that are not quite as
competent as before, I couldn't say
. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
Having said that, I am aware that something is changing as the
IA64/AMD64 question is getting asked more frequently these days.
Whether that's because there are more adopters that are not quite as
competent as before, I couldn't say
On 9/30/2012 6:02 AM, Wolf Halton wrote:
How long after end-of-life of the itanium chip will Debian keep the port to
IA64?
There's no requirement, that I am aware of, that says Debian must wait
until EOL of a processor before dropping support for it.
Anyone have a link to the release inclusion
On 9/28/2012 1:52 AM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
the IA64 port to Itanium and rename the AMD64 port to something like
AMDINTL64.
Something wrong with 'x86_64'?
On 9/28/2012 6:30 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
AMDINTL64 seems to long for me.
Compared to kfreebsd-amd64 or kfreebsd-i386 it's not long at all.
Besides, the length is pretty much irrelevant. What matters is that
people know exactly what it is by name alone.
I think x86-64 would make some
On 9/28/2012 7:54 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 01:35:49AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Maybe we could start some kind of petition for Itanium and
AMDINTL64. I think these tell everyone at a glance what they need to
know when selecting a port, and would completely eliminate
that the average Joe.
Having said that, I am aware that something is changing as the
IA64/AMD64 question is getting asked more frequently these days.
Whether that's because there are more adopters that are not quite as
competent as before, I couldn't say.
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that something is changing as the
IA64/AMD64 question is getting asked more frequently these days.
Whether that's because there are more adopters that are not quite as
competent as before, I couldn't say.
There are multiple reasons for it, but the reasons/causes are
irrelevant. What matters
On 9/27/2012 10:07 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:
Tony Baldwin:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
Isn't this just a question of whether you have
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
the IA64 port to Itanium and rename the AMD64 port to something like
AMDINTL64.
Something wrong with 'x86_64'?
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On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
the IA64 port to Itanium and rename the AMD64 port to something like
AMDINTL64.
Something wrong with
Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/27/2012 10:07 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:
Tony Baldwin:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer
wrote:
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo
Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to
rename the IA64 port to Itanium and rename the AMD64
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 01:35:49AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Maybe we could start some kind of petition for Itanium and
AMDINTL64. I think these tell everyone at a glance what they need to
know when selecting a port, and would completely eliminate the confusion.
Itanium will probably
it was with the release of Squeeze that I did my first 64 bit
installation after using Debian 10 years.
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
Isn't this just a question of whether you have a Pentium/Intel 64bit
processor
Tony Baldwin:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
Isn't this just a question of whether you have a Pentium/Intel 64bit
processor
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.org wrote:
Isn't this just a question of whether you have a Pentium/Intel 64bit
processor, or an AMD64?
No. That is the point of this thread. The marketing name Intel 64,
also known as EM64T *is* AMD64 aka x86-64. All modern Intel
Am Dienstag, 25. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
I'm direct, often blunt, opinionated, arrogant, and sometimes abrasive.
I admit these character flaws and make no apologies for
them. That's who I am. I guess I was made to counterbalance all of
the sugar coating and political
Stan Hoeppner:
I think most people know when I swing the cluebat that I'm not trying to
belittle the person on the receiving end, but simply forcefully driving
home a point. If I actually intended to hurt someone's feelings I'd
reply off list. That makes it personal. And this is exactly
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 00:19 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I think most people know when I swing the cluebat that I'm not trying
to
belittle the person on the receiving end, but simply forcefully
driving
home a point. If I actually intended to hurt someone's feelings I'd
reply off list.
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 02:12:10 AM Ross Boylan wrote:
I wish you would be more civil instead of more clever about being
incivil.
Never mind that Miss Manners would be utterly aghast that someone would try to
claim the right to behave rudely, impolitely and/or barbarously simply
Debian 10 years.
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
BTW: We have here many powerful machines out of service, because they
are not worth the time for refurbishing.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
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Am 21.09.2012 um 22:53 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain)
to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we
can be
wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the
Am 21.09.2012 um 23:16 schrieb Neal Murphy:
If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't
respond at all.
Attitudes like yours drive people away from OSS.
Fully ACK.
Open Source needs open communication.
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Yes, but people don't start with a quad socket DL580.
You're right!
Some people starts biger than a DL580 :D
Ezen üzenet és annak bármely csatolt anyaga bizalmas, jogi védelem alatt áll, a
nyilvános közléstől védett. Az üzenetet kizárólag a címzett, illetve az általa
meghatalmazottak
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Tóth Tibor Péter
toth.tibor.pe...@kincsinfo.hu wrote:
Yes, but people don't start with a quad socket DL580.
You're right!
Some people starts biger than a DL580 :D
Ezen üzenet és annak bármely csatolt anyaga bizalmas, jogi védelem alatt áll,
a nyilvános
Am 21.09.2012 um 22:53 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain)
to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we
can be
wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:53:21PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be
wrong or right as we don't have all
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 04:54:26PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
be self reliant. Only when they search and can't
agree it seems likely. But maybe Mauro made some effort?
The answer is simply too easy to find. One click from the Debian home
page (Ports/Architectures), and the first Google hit for IA64 AMD64
yields the answer.
I didn't lop his head for being incompetent or lazy--many such folks
around. I
this stuff as I do in
order to find such answers, without resorting to a mailing list.
The only thing you can conclude
from his question is that he didn't know the difference between amd64
and ia64. That's it. You can draw no other conclusions about his
experience, knowledge, or intentions.
Well, I
On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and
we can be wrong or
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain) to say
Stan,
Calling people names is no way to encourage them to use free software.
Rick
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On 9/23/2012 3:20 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
While one could hope you're wanting this off the list because you've
finally realized how much you've embarrassed yourself, I know that,
sadly, that isn't true.
The only thing in this thread that has embarrassed me is the hypocrisy
of those,
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want
-and we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the details
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Neal Murphy:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people
should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an
answer should they ask on a mailing list.
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people
should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an
On Fri 21 Sep 2012 at 19:42:03 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
If someone deems a question stupid and below his level of
expertise one can always ignore the question, as there is no
obligation for anyone to answer any questions on this list. Perhaps
in the original post as Xeon. When it's pointed out to
him that IA64 is for Itanium, he immediately indicates that no, he's
using Xeon and not Itanium. The confusion stems from amd64 vs. ia64.
It is not unreasonable to wonder which is correct, and you pointed
him, correctly, to the answer. There is no need
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:23:15 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
I disagree. This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
primary technical support resource. People should be making at least
a cursory effort to search for information before
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
Go back and re-read my original reply to the OP. Then explain to the
list what it was that I said which so compelled you to go to battle.
The problem is that you make some questionable assumptions, hold them as
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com writes:
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
primary technical support resource. People should be
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
- Original Message -
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
to say this on the
On 9/22/2012 2:38 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
Stan violates these two points of the CoC:
* The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Debian.
Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses, are
not welcome.
* Try not to flame; it is not polite.
I
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 02:38:54 -0500
Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Christofer,
* Use common sense all the time.
The trouble with that is, the use of the word common. IME, the sense
it talks of is anything *but* common. :-(
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On 9/22/2012 2:45 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
I agree that the OP's question was ... perhaps unenlightened.
However, I don't respond like a jerk to such questions. While
answering the question simply and clearly isn't beneath you,
undignifying yourself by responding in such an uncivilized
On 22/09/12 21:18, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The clue bat is uncivilized by design. If you're going to hit someone
in the gut to get their full attention, and make sure what you're
telling them sticks, wrapping the blunt instrument in a big pillow of
cotton candy defeats the purpose, doesn't it,
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and
we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the details
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 19:43 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
That he's at that stage now doesn't mean he's an idiot.
Even if somebody should be an idiot, I wonder about the intolerance.
Isn't it wanted that everybody should use FLOSS?
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On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 23:43 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It draws about 400-500 watts continuously at idle, up to 900 at load.
99.999% of people will not tolerate this on the home electric bill.
99.9991% of the people don't have knowledge about this, their motto is
more is better.
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On 20 September 2012 23:04, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Ok, thank you for answer, have a good day ;-)
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:04:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote:
Hello.
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64? Thank you.
This may be a bit harsh
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be
wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the table- but it's
rather discourteous to tell a
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is
so damn easy
On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
they ask on a mailing list. Especially in
On 09/21/2012 05:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
they ask on a mailing list. Especially in
self-fulfilling prophecy, one can aim at Godwin's law ;)
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On 9/21/12 3:06 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:
If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't
respond at all.
How would that help OSS?
I wasn't aware I had an obligation to help OSS in order to use it. The
list exists to help people use the software, and not primarily to help
the
- Original Message -
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
to say this on the list
I agree. I find this list to be very helpful but lately there seems to have
been a lot of unnecessary
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
cursory effort to search for information before asking here.
Please see the Code of Conduct (
On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
- Original Message -
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
to say this on the list
I agree. I find this list to be very helpful but lately there seems
On 9/21/2012 7:17 PM, T Elcor wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
cursory effort to search for information before
T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com writes:
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
cursory effort to search for information before asking
Hello.
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
Thank you.
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20.09.2012 09:44, Mauro:
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
AMD64.
IA64 is for Itanium processors. You'd know if you had one.
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On 20 September 2012 09:53, Markus Schönhaber
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20.09.2012 09:44, Mauro:
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
AMD64.
IA64 is for Itanium
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:44:35 +0200, Mauro wrote:
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64? Thank you.
The available architectures are detailed and explained here:
http://www.debian.org
On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote:
Hello.
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
Thank you.
This may be a bit harsh, but it's the glaring truth: your employer
should fire you
On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
any one of a number of things we don't know about.
Suggesting google or debian.org or whatever is fine, but this is way
over
On 9/20/2012 4:40 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
any one of a number of things we don't know about.
Suggesting google or
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes:
On 9/20/2012 4:40 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
any one of a number of things we
On 9/20/2012 8:43 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Why do you assume he's doing it for work? If he said something about
being an experienced sysadmin, I missed it. This could easily be a box
he bought as the n'th owner or from ebay or something.
The noise level of a DL580 is 52 dBA. 99.999% of
Bonjour à tous
Je voudrai connaitre la difference entre ia64 et Amd64 car prevoyant d
acheter un athlon 64 socket 939 pour monter un serveur, j aimerai savoir
quel debian-installer prendre.
J aimerai aussi savoir si vous avez des liens pour comprendre comment
fonctionne un system 64 bits et
J ai trouvé ma reponse :
EM64T (Xeon, Pentium 4 6xx), AMD64 (Opteron, Athlon 64), IA64 (Itanium)
kohzak a écrit :
Bonjour à tous
Je voudrai connaitre la difference entre ia64 et Amd64 car prevoyant d
acheter un athlon 64 socket 939 pour monter un serveur, j aimerai savoir
quel debian
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Bonjour à tous
Je voudrai connaitre la difference entre ia64 et Amd64 car prevoyant d
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savoir
quel debian-installer prendre.
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