Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Thing is there is an unneeded step in there. Exim doesn't need a delivery agent (procmail) not does it need a filter program (procmail) since both are build in. One could just use Exim for both of those so the path would be fetchmail - exim - mutt. or the other way around, fetchmail doesn't need exim and can deliver directly to procmail (this is what i do). i prefer this because then i don't need to run an mta on my laptop. my ~/.fetchmailrc looks like this: heyzeus(larry)$ cat ~/.fetchmailrc set daemon 60 poll localhost port 1100 protocol pop3 uidl username larry password MyPass mda /usr/bin/procmail -d larry preconnect ssh -C -f -L 1100:mailhost:110 sshhost 'sleep 9' this also tunnels through ssh which is nice cause you don't send your password in plain text, but it works better if you have passwordless ssh setup. adam.
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On Saturday, 08 April 2000 at 01:07, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: Brendan Cully wrote: - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. Ahh, this I don't quite understand. I always donwloaded my mail from a POP3 server, and then had Netscape sort it into various inboxes. I thought, that I would now use fetchmail to get my mail from the POP3 server (actually from more than one) and have it all appended to my mailbox in /var/spool/mail and the MUA would then process it appropriatly. So where does procmail come into the game? either your MTA calls it to do local mail delivery after fetchmail hands off its messages to it, or fetchmail can run it directly with, IIRC, the mda option. I think debian may use procmail automatically for at least some MTAs, so you could try just creating a .procmailrc to see if it works. Otherwise you can use a .forward which pushes things through procmail... I'm no procmail expert, though.
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 07:17:47AM -0400, Brendan Cully wrote: either your MTA calls it to do local mail delivery after fetchmail hands off its messages to it, or fetchmail can run it directly with, IIRC, the mda option. I think debian may use procmail automatically for at least some MTAs, so you could try just creating a .procmailrc to see if it works. Otherwise you can use a .forward which pushes things through procmail... I just got all this going so it is fresh in my mind. Install exim for an mta Install procmail Install fetchmail Install mutt fetchmail gets mail, hands it to exim. exim checks for a ~/.procmailrc file and if it exists, hands mail to procmail procmail sorts mail into mboxs in ~/Mail It was painless and quick to set up. robin
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 09:38:27PM +1000, Robin M. Stephens wrote: I just got all this going so it is fresh in my mind. Install exim for an mta Install procmail Install fetchmail Install mutt fetchmail gets mail, hands it to exim. exim checks for a ~/.procmailrc file and if it exists, hands mail to procmail procmail sorts mail into mboxs in ~/Mail It was painless and quick to set up. Thing is there is an unneeded step in there. Exim doesn't need a delivery agent (procmail) not does it need a filter program (procmail) since both are build in. One could just use Exim for both of those so the path would be fetchmail - exim - mutt. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Brendan Cully wrote: - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. Ahh, this I don't quite understand. I always donwloaded my mail from a POP3 server, and then had Netscape sort it into various inboxes. I thought, that I would now use fetchmail to get my mail from the POP3 server (actually from more than one) and have it all appended to my mailbox in /var/spool/mail and the MUA would then process it appropriatly. So where does procmail come into the game? I guess, I should go read the Networking-Overview-HOWTO and the Mail-HOWTO, but I still have those various LDP guides on my agenda. :( MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Richard Taylor wrote: On 4/6/2000, 7:31:18 PM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it! Me too, it's too slow! :} Tried 6? Arrgg! Don't even get me started. It's dog slow and -- excuse me -- the default skin looks like shit! Can't wait to get my hands on M15 though, I've been following the Milestone releases ever since 9 and I am *impressed* by the way they've come. It does only get better. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Hallo Viktor! Viktor Rosenfeld schrieb am Samstag, dem 08. April 2000: Brendan Cully wrote: - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. Ahh, this I don't quite understand. I always donwloaded my mail from a POP3 server, and then had Netscape sort it into various inboxes. I thought, that I would now use fetchmail to get my mail from the POP3 server (actually from more than one) and have it all appended to my mailbox in /var/spool/mail and the MUA would then process it appropriatly. So where does procmail come into the game? Fetchmail fetches the mails from the imap|pop3 server and hands it on to your MTA (exim or sendmail or such). Your MTA will put the mail into your mailbox or, if configured right hand each mail over to procmail which will sort the mails into one or more folders (or do other interesting stuff with them). Your MUA will just read the mails (and then move them around again if you want :) yours, peter -- http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~ppalfrad
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Peter Palfrader wrote: Fetchmail fetches the mails from the imap|pop3 server and hands it on to your MTA (exim or sendmail or such). Your MTA will put the mail into your mailbox or, if configured right hand each mail over to procmail which will sort the mails into one or more folders (or do other interesting stuff with them). Your MUA will just read the mails (and then move them around again if you want :) This explanation puts a lot of emphasis on what I've just said: I got a lot of reading to do. :) Anyway, thanks for the clarification. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it! Me too, it's too slow! My question are: - Does Mutt support hierarchical folders? E.g. I want to have a folder called Mailing Lists with individual subfolders for each mailing list and a folder called Friends with individual subfolders for each person. You could place you mailbox in anyfolder and mutt still could access it. - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? Yes. - Can I share Mutt's mail files with another mail program, so I could use a GUI program when under X? Would that be wise? Yes. mutt use std mbox format (I think it could read other type too), so does netscape I think. Chanop -- ## #Chanop Silpa-Anan # #gpg @ http://kenji.anu.edu.au/~chanop/chanop.asc# ## pgpeU100e2eW7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On Thursday, 06 April 2000 at 01:02, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: My question are: - Does Mutt support hierarchical folders? E.g. I want to have a folder called Mailing Lists with individual subfolders for each mailing list and a folder called Friends with individual subfolders for each person. yes. - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. - Can I share Mutt's mail files with another mail program, so I could use a GUI program when under X? Would that be wise? mutt supports a few different standard mailbox types, so it shouldn't be hard to coexist with other unix standard mailers. -Brendan pgpLpiyAnAuz4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On 4/6/2000, 7:31:18 PM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say
I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only
and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it!
Me too, it's too slow!
:} Tried 6?
Anyway... there are about a zillion of them... Gnus is wonderful,
Postillion is great, there's a command line thing which I've forgotten
the name {initials} of which you could probably set up to do anything
you want, TKRat's pretty nice...
If you really can't find anything you like go to freshmeat.net and go
through their listings...
If that still doesn't work... there's always the code to tkmail.
This {staroffice} isn't too bad... seeing as it's integrated into the
office package you've got a lot of capabilities at your fingertips...
and... 5.2's up now.
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Once upon a time, I heard Richard Taylor say
On 4/6/2000, 7:31:18 PM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say
I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only
and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it!
Me too, it's too slow!
:} Tried 6?
Even slower than M14 :P
This {staroffice} isn't too bad... seeing as it's integrated into the
office package you've got a lot of capabilities at your fingertips...
and... 5.2's up now.
But, it's vey bulky.
Chanop
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Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
On 4/7/2000, 5:26:43 AM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
regarding Re: Mutt questions
Once upon a time, I heard Richard Taylor say
On 4/6/2000, 7:31:18 PM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say
I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only
and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it!
Me too, it's too slow!
:} Tried 6?
Even slower than M14 :P
:} It runs a bit faster on my system... I never did care for their
mailer anyway. Somehow, my brain doesn't make the browser/mail
connection... I've got no problem with the office/mail one.
This {staroffice} isn't too bad... seeing as it's integrated into the
office package you've got a lot of capabilities at your fingertips...
and... 5.2's up now.
But, it's vey bulky.
Yeah... unfortunately. With a largish amount of memory it's not a real
problem though. And... once the thing loads it's reasonably fast. I'm
used to emacs {tho' I never really noticed the slow starts with that one
that folk always complained about.} and used to having everything sort of
attached.
Considering that I've got ready access to everything from a decent
wysiwyg html editor to a browser, databases, etc, etc... I can't really
complain.
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Quoting Viktor Rosenfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My question are: - Does Mutt support hierarchical folders? E.g. I want to have a folder called Mailing Lists with individual subfolders for each mailing list and a folder called Friends with individual subfolders for each person. If, by folders, you mean directories, then yes. There's nothing special about directories to mutt, except for its short-hand constructions like = for the principal directories for saves. - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? I prefer to use procmail to do this as emails arrive. If you mean as you read each message, then yes it does, and it provides hooks for providing the a default when you save them explicitly. - Can I share Mutt's mail files with another mail program, so I could use a GUI program when under X? Would that be wise? You might find, like me, that mutt runs perfectly well under X, with the obvious advantage that it can launch more and better applications for viewing attachments. But they are standard mailboxes: mbox, MMDF, MH and Maildir. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Brendan Cully wrote: you want mutt! [...] (I'm biased, since I've written most of the new IMAP code). Okay, so you're obviously a Mutt user/developer, and thus the perfect guy for me to address my questions to: I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it! My question are: - Does Mutt support hierarchical folders? E.g. I want to have a folder called Mailing Lists with individual subfolders for each mailing list and a folder called Friends with individual subfolders for each person. - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? - Can I share Mutt's mail files with another mail program, so I could use a GUI program when under X? Would that be wise? Thanks a lot, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Looking for a good mail program
As a rule I'm very happy reading my mail in Pine through a shell account. However occasionally I receive an attachment that I need to use another program to view. Can somebody recommend a good mail program similar to pine that can handle attachments? I don't want anything too fancy. Also do I need a separate program to fetch my mail off the server and if so which do you recommend? Having all of the software available in the Debian distribution is lovely but I'm finding it difficult to choose from several different programs that do the same thing, especially since the names don't usually mean anything to me. Thanks, Hilary Hilary L. Hertzoff From here to there, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bunny goes where a bunny must. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Little Bunny on the Move by Peter McCarty
Re: Looking for a good mail program
Hi Hilary! On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, Hilary Hertzoff wrote: As a rule I'm very happy reading my mail in Pine through a shell account. However occasionally I receive an attachment that I need to use another program to view. Can somebody recommend a good mail program similar to pine that can handle attachments? I don't want anything too fancy. mutt is a very good MUA. Also do I need a separate program to fetch my mail off the server and if so which do you recommend? fetchmail is the tool of choice here. HTH yours, peter -- PGP encrypted messages prefered. http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~ppalfrad/ pgpmbN4ECky8c.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for a good mail program
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Hilary Hertzoff wrote: As a rule I'm very happy reading my mail in Pine through a shell account. However occasionally I receive an attachment that I need to use another program to view. Can somebody recommend a good mail program similar to pine that can handle attachments? I don't want I'm not sure what you are looking for. All reasonable versions of Pine can save attachments, and recent versions of Pine can cope with attached HTML messages, too. As for attached VCards, graphics, movies, Word documents... I'm not sure what you want your mail program to do with them. Pine allows you to associate external viewers with particular MIME types, which is I think about the best you're going to get. In other words... I don't know what features exactly Pine is lacking. :}
Re: Looking for a good mail program
On Wednesday, 05 April 2000 at 18:18, Hilary Hertzoff wrote: As a rule I'm very happy reading my mail in Pine through a shell account. However occasionally I receive an attachment that I need to use another program to view. Can somebody recommend a good mail program similar to pine that can handle attachments? I don't want anything too fancy. you want mutt! mime attachment handling is one of its trademark features (pgp/gpg integration is probably the other one it's most famous for). Plus it has configurable colouring and excellent sorting/threading (and lots more). it probably resembles elm more than pine, but shouldn't be too confusing for you. in fact I believe there is a pine-emulating configuration file floating around... Also do I need a separate program to fetch my mail off the server and if so which do you recommend? depends. mutt has some limited builtin POP support, but it'd be better to use fetchmail. If you want to use IMAP, mutt supports that too, and as of the upcoming 1.2 release should do it rather well (I'm biased, since I've written most of the new IMAP code). Having all of the software available in the Debian distribution is lovely but I'm finding it difficult to choose from several different programs that do the same thing, especially since the names don't usually mean anything to me. most of the time, the names are deliberately meaningless. you can really only experiment or get other's opinions. that's hacker culture for you. -Brendan pgp6xmhYaMF73.pgp Description: PGP signature
