Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-14 Thread Wim De Smet
On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet said... On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's my point, really: why continue to clone TC, when there are so many additional functions out there on other tools that leave TC in the dust? If devs stick their heads in the

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-12 Thread marc
Cybe R. Wizard said... marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But I don't know what you mean by the two pane setup sentence. Krusader has that by default. As I said, I use Krusader, but its limited layout options is a good example of what not to do, imo. IOW, a good example to learn from.

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 14:47 +, marc wrote: [...] In passing, I'll mention that the Windows' file manager Directory Opus 8 [1] is something that the Nautilus, Konqueror and Krusader folk should examine. If Linux could get close to just its two pane setup, I would be a happy man. Add to

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:47:52 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Steffl said... Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well).

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread marc
Andrei Popescu said... On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:47:52 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Steffl said... Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread marc
Nyizsnyik Ferenc said... On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 14:47 +, marc wrote: [...] In passing, I'll mention that the Windows' file manager Directory Opus 8 [1] is something that the Nautilus, Konqueror and Krusader folk should examine. If Linux could get close to just its two pane setup, I

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:32:08 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me Opus 8 is too bloated. Bloated is one of those spurious apparent criticisms that doesn't mean anything, though. In any case, why would anyone translate the bloat when porting functions to Linux? Maybe I misused the

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread marc
Andrei Popescu said... On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:32:08 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me Opus 8 is too bloated. Bloated is one of those spurious apparent criticisms that doesn't mean anything, though. In any case, why would anyone translate the bloat when porting functions to

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Wim De Smet
On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's my point, really: why continue to clone TC, when there are so many additional functions out there on other tools that leave TC in the dust? If devs stick their heads in the sand and ignore developments then things will atrophy. In fact, in the

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread marc
Wim De Smet said... On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's my point, really: why continue to clone TC, when there are so many additional functions out there on other tools that leave TC in the dust? If devs stick their heads in the sand and ignore developments then things

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/11/07 14:52, marc wrote: Wim De Smet said... On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think what you should really do right now is scratch that itch and build your own file manager. LOL The cry of the true conservative. At least

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Erik Steffl
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 00:27 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: it takes few minutes to open /usr/bin here (almost no load on machine), next time (I assume cache helps a lot) it takes 10-20 seconds. system: debian unstable icedove 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1 pentium 2.4

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:53 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: Sven Arvidsson wrote: [...] Seems like the problem is getting mime type (as mentioned here before) or something of that nature... erik It would be nice if it was possible to turn this feature off. I really don't need the

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But I don't know what you mean by the two pane setup sentence. Krusader has that by default. As I said, I use Krusader, but its limited layout options is a good example of what not to do, imo. IOW, a good example to learn from. Have any of you tried xfe?

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote: I really don't need the little pictures in front of the file names. Does anybody? Sure. The typical user GNOME wants to target does. They don't know enough to properly add extensions to their file names without coaxing by the applications, and

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread Erik Steffl
Wim De Smet wrote: ... gnome file chooser discussion snipped ... indeed very annoying) but I don't think it's open()ing every file in those directories. This would require an ordinate amount of processing power not to mention disk I/O which I'm just not seeing. it takes few minutes to open

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 00:27 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: it takes few minutes to open /usr/bin here (almost no load on machine), next time (I assume cache helps a lot) it takes 10-20 seconds. system: debian unstable icedove 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1 pentium 2.4 GHz 1GB RAM

[OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread marc
Erik Steffl said... Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well). The dialog has two parts - left part has shortcut to user home dir,

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread celejar
On 1/10/07, Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: ... gnome file chooser discussion snipped ... indeed very annoying) but I don't think it's open()ing every file in those directories. This would require an ordinate amount of processing power not to mention disk I/O which I'm

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-10 Thread Kent West
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 09:20 -0600, Kent West wrote: Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's autocompletion, so you have to type slowly and

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-10 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:44 -0600, Kent West wrote: I thought it was a problem in iceweasel, but I can not now recreate the problem there. But I can recreate it in icedove, version 1.5.0.9 (20061220). Steps: * Receive an email with an attachment. * Double-click on the attachment. * Select

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-10 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Kent. Kent West, 10.01.2007 17:44: Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 09:20 -0600, Kent West wrote: Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:47:52 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In passing, I'll mention that the Windows' file manager Directory Opus 8 [1] is something that the Nautilus, Konqueror and Krusader folk should examine. If Linux could get close to just its two pane setup, I would be a

Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-10 Thread marc
Liam O'Toole said... On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:47:52 - marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In passing, I'll mention that the Windows' file manager Directory Opus 8 [1] is something that the Nautilus, Konqueror and Krusader folk should examine. If Linux could get close to just its two

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-10 Thread Kent West
Mathias Brodala wrote: Kent West, 10.01.2007 17:44: I thought it was a problem in iceweasel, but I can not now recreate the problem there. But I can recreate it in icedove, version 1.5.0.9 (20061220). Steps: * Receive an email with an attachment. * Double-click on the attachment. *

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-06 Thread Wim De Smet
On 1/5/07, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: You're saying two things here. First you're saying it open()'s every file you come across, then you say it lists every directory. I've noticed it does list all files in a directory on the path you type (which on a system with

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Geoff Reidy
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 07:26 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: They're the standard GNOME dialogs, and you're absolutely right. They fall into the Microsoft Error: cool-looking, terrible usability. But apparently GNOME is immune to user comments. They are inferior (and this is

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's autocompletion, so you have to type slowly and watch what it's doing. I can't reproduce this. Also when I try to open an app from /usr/bin, even if I point it

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Kent West
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's autocompletion, so you have to type slowly and watch what it's doing. I can't reproduce this. I can, and I too, absolutely

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Geoff Reidy
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's autocompletion, so you have to type slowly and watch what it's doing. I can't reproduce this. Also when I try to open an app from

[OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Friday 05 January 2007 08:02, Geoff Reidy wrote: Googling gnome file picker gives you a fair idea what people think of it. But wait, I just found a way to stop iceweasel using it, add this to user.js: The GNOME file picker is so bad, I'd rather run Firefox on Windows XP in Qemu than use

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Wim De Smet
On 1/5/07, Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 05 January 2007 08:02, Geoff Reidy wrote: Googling gnome file picker gives you a fair idea what people think of it. But wait, I just found a way to stop iceweasel using it, add this to user.js: The GNOME file picker is so bad,

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007, Geoff Reidy wrote: Personally I don't like the way gnome is going but it's their baby and they can do what they want with it, a lot of people do like it so they must be doing something right. A lot of people have a small number of files in their directories, and a

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007, Wim De Smet wrote: To be honest, I actually like it. The newest incarnation of it anyway. I think all those hits you'll come up will be at least partly based on the older one, which had a bit too many big buttons and a bit too little functionality. No, you got it wrong.

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-05 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 09:20 -0600, Kent West wrote: Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 02:02 +1100, Geoff Reidy wrote: It's awful, if I just type in /usr/bin I get /usr/src//bin because of it's autocompletion, so you have to type slowly and watch what it's doing.

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Wim De Smet
On 1/5/07, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 05 Jan 2007, Wim De Smet wrote: To be honest, I actually like it. The newest incarnation of it anyway. I think all those hits you'll come up will be at least partly based on the older one, which had a bit too many big

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 08:43 -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: On Friday 05 January 2007 08:02, Geoff Reidy wrote: Googling gnome file picker gives you a fair idea what people think of it. But wait, I just found a way to stop iceweasel using it, add this to user.js: The GNOME file picker

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 05:38:15PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote: I don't really like the concept of file pickers at all, but as far as they go, the GNOME one is probably one of the best ones I've used. Could you list some advantages that counter the Requires three times as many clicks as all

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 11:42 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: Could you list some advantages that counter the Requires three times as many clicks as all other file pickers problem? Oh, and the displays information in tiny subwindows that don't relate to each other in obvious ways problem? Or the What

Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)

2007-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Wim De Smet wrote: You're saying two things here. First you're saying it open()'s every file you come across, then you say it lists every directory. I've noticed it does list all files in a directory on the path you type (which on a system with sufficient ram only goes slow once but is indeed

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-04 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 22:49 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well). The dialog has two parts - left part

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-04 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 22:49 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well). The dialog has two parts - left part

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 10:49:52PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well). The dialog has two parts - left

Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-04 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 07:26 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: They're the standard GNOME dialogs, and you're absolutely right. They fall into the Microsoft Error: cool-looking, terrible usability. But apparently GNOME is immune to user comments. They are inferior (and this is embarassing) to the

Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

2007-01-03 Thread Erik Steffl
Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading files (it's probably used in other places as well). The dialog has two parts - left part has shortcut to user home dir, desktop and filesystem, right