Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-22 Thread lee
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:31:23AM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote: Did you ever try to proceed like this: Would you please give me your name again, I forgot to note it. If $STATEMENT is the official position of $COMPANY, i'll cite it on my web page. No, but nobody cares what I might put onto

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-21 Thread lee
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:52:52AM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:44 AM, leel...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:03:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Asus BIOSes can be upgraded using a usb memory since the release the first Pentium 4/Athlon XP

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-21 Thread lee
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:58:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Their answer We don't support Linux, repeatedly, even though, of course, BIOS disk detection has nothing to do with Linux. I got the same answer from Gigabyte (two of my disks are not detected by the BIOS when AHCI is enabled;

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-21 Thread Siggy Brentrup
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 01:14 -0600, lee wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:58:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Their answer We don't support Linux, repeatedly, even though, of course, BIOS disk detection has nothing to do with Linux. I got the same answer from Gigabyte (two of my

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Mark Allums
lee wrote: At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:22:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: ASUS is not a no-name board. Dell, HP, and others use ASUS OEM bords in their computers. That doesn't mean that they are still good like they used to be. I've seen 10--15 out of 25 Asus boards, all the same model, giving

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread lee
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 03:12:46AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: lee wrote: At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:22:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Not being able to update the BIOS is not an ASUS problem. Actually, ASUS is very good about updating their BIOSes. I never heard of a board you couldn't

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:13 AM, leel...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 03:12:46AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: lee wrote: At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:22:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Not being able to update the BIOS is not an ASUS problem.  Actually, ASUS is very good about

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Mark Allums
Since I had seen a lot of Asus boards for PII-350s working just fine and Asus had (has?) a good reputation, I thought I'd try Asus instead of MSI. I should say that I have not used every consumer/enthusiast mb out there, I can only report on those I have used. I tend to use ASUS boards

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-20 13:10, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] Sorry I can't be more specific, Ron. I do read some of the tech blogs and testing sites, but they are not generally specific to Debian or Linux, usually, so I can't point you to a best choice. :) phoronix is Linux-oriented, and gave 5 stars

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread lee
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:03:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Asus BIOSes can be upgraded using a usb memory since the release the first Pentium 4/Athlon XP mainboards. Then their support could have told me that, I asked them ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:44 AM, leel...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:03:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Asus BIOSes can be upgraded using a usb memory since the release the first Pentium 4/Athlon XP mainboards. Then their support could have told me that, I asked them

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-21 00:52, Victor Padro wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:44 AM, leel...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:03:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Asus BIOSes can be upgraded using a usb memory since the release the first Pentium 4/Athlon XP mainboards. Then their support

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Mark Allums
ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Just got an ASRock A780GXE/128M, and it seems to have difficulty seeing more than 4 devices. (I've got 4 SATA HDDs, a SATA DVD-RW and a PATA HDD.) Here are my needs: - AM2 socket - ATX form factor, - 6 (or even 8) SATA sockets, - 4 DIMM slots. On-board

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-19 02:51, Mark Allums wrote: ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Just got an ASRock A780GXE/128M, and it seems to have difficulty seeing more than 4 devices. (I've got 4 SATA HDDs, a SATA DVD-RW and a PATA HDD.) Here are my needs: - AM2 socket - ATX form factor, - 6 (or even 8) SATA

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-18 21:50, Wayne Topa wrote: lee wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:41:03AM -0400, ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I recently had to replace a MD and ended up with a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P. It meets or exceeds your specs and was not as

RE: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread David Christensen
Mark Allums wrote: ... rethinking the brand loyalty. The point being that an Intel chip is, in my opinion, the current overall winner. I was an Intel guy for many years, after having been burned on no-name motherboards. Intel's products and technical support were top-shelf 10+ years ago.

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-19 16:26, David Christensen wrote: Mark Allums wrote: ... rethinking the brand loyalty. The point being that an Intel chip is, in my opinion, the current overall winner. [snip] Companies that get in bed with Microsoft and pay for Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL) testing

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Mark Allums
David Christensen wrote: Mark Allums wrote: ... rethinking the brand loyalty. The point being that an Intel chip is, in my opinion, the current overall winner. I was an Intel guy for many years, after having been burned on no-name motherboards. Intel's products and technical support were

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: It's not even the CPU that I'm having trouble with, but the BIOS and chipset. My recommendation of Intel Core i7/X58+ICH10 is only if you end up having to replace the CPU, memory, etc., as well as the motherboard. Otherwise, stick with AMD. Mark Allums -- To

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-19 Thread lee
At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:22:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: ASUS is not a no-name board. Dell, HP, and others use ASUS OEM bords in their computers. That doesn't mean that they are still good like they used to be. I've seen 10--15 out of 25 Asus boards, all the same model, giving Windoze XP

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-18 Thread Wayne Topa
ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Just got an ASRock A780GXE/128M, and it seems to have difficulty seeing more than 4 devices. (I've got 4 SATA HDDs, a SATA DVD-RW and a PATA HDD.) Here are my needs: - AM2 socket - ATX form factor, - 6 (or even 8) SATA sockets, - 4 DIMM slots. On-board

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-18 Thread ron.l.johnson
Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I recently had to replace a MD and ended up with a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P. It meets or exceeds your specs and was not as expensive as I had expected (newegg) [snip] 8 x SATA 3GB connectors [snip] Working like a champ here. Thanks. I'll

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-18 Thread lee
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:41:03AM -0400, ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I recently had to replace a MD and ended up with a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P. It meets or exceeds your specs and was not as expensive as I had expected (newegg) [snip]

Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

2009-07-18 Thread Wayne Topa
lee wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:41:03AM -0400, ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I recently had to replace a MD and ended up with a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P. It meets or exceeds your specs and was not as expensive as I had expected (newegg)