Re: Slowness problem

2012-07-11 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Hi,

I'm writing from my brand new installation now. I actually installed
Debian Squeeze, together with a new kernel (2.6.32-5-686).

The problem which was majoritarly present when dealing with e.g. HD
videos was coming from the fact that I was missing the nvidia-libvdpau1
package on the preceding installation (i.e. I did not install it). The
problem was also present here (i.e. brand new install) before installing this 
package.

After installing it, everything related to HD playing goes quite well. Now, for 
the
intermittent slowness problems that I had with the previous (old, lenny)
installation, I still can't explain them (anyway, they are only past).

I've however understood why HD videos were read that slowly. Thanks to all!


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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-29 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Thanks for all your answers. I'll try this when I'll have again
physical access to the related computer. Note that the problem is also
extremely present when I try to watch an HD video that I recorded
e.g. from a camcorder: a picture is displayed then every 10 s!!

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:21:06 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 Thanks for all your answers. I'll try this when I'll have again physical
 access to the related computer. Note that the problem is also extremely
 present when I try to watch an HD video that I recorded e.g. from a
 camcorder: a picture is displayed then every 10 s!!

A hardware problem is starting to be the first thing I would discard.

The symptons you are facing are not normal for a system that has not 
updated any package nor installed nothing new recently... Consider also a 
full computer clean-up (I mean, the kind of job that involves opening the 
case and remove all the dust ;-) ) and also perform a hard disk SMART 
test (better if you use the tool provided by the disk manufacturer).

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-28 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:08:05 +, Camaleón wrote:

 Sorry, no more ideas on what the problem can be located.

(...)

One more thing you can test if you still have not tried... and easy one: 
create a fresh new user account and work for a while from there. 

Although I don't expect any improvement (the behaviour you are facing is 
not the usual related to a borked user settings) at least you will 
discard something wrong within your current user profile.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I haven't all emails in mind. Did we already ask you to turn of power
and to reconnect all cards, RAM bars and cables? Resp. IIRC somebody
already mentioned to test a LiveMedia?

So what happens if you e.g. use
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start ?

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-28 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:52:17 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:08:05 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Sorry, no more ideas on what the problem can be located.
 
 (...)
 
 One more thing you can test if you still have not tried... and easy one:
 create a fresh new user account and work for a while from there.
 
 Although I don't expect any improvement (the behaviour you are facing is
 not the usual related to a borked user settings) at least you will
 discard something wrong within your current user profile.

And lastly, given that you are using lenny, you can instruct Xorg to use 
nv driver instead nvidia. This can be easily done by editing the /
etc/X11/xorg.conf file (remember to do a backup of the original 
xorg.conf file before making any change) and adding at the Device 
section:

#Driver nvidia
Driver nv

And reboot (or restart the X server) to commit the changes. If swapping 
the driver still makes no difference, now finally yes, I'm out of 
ideas :-)

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 20:04 +, Camaleón wrote:
 #Driver nvidia
 Driver nv

Usually nvidia drivers  2xx.x don't cause issues.

Ciao,
Ralf

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-26 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 Okay, then no, ram should not be a issue here.

 When that happens, run top and look for the CPU and MEM columns.

 Top command output would be interesting :-)
Tasks: 203 total,   2 running, 201 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 14.0%us,  1.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 84.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   4150284k total,  1712896k used,  2437388k free,   376712k buffers
Swap:  6080560k total,0k used,  6080560k free,   523364k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
 3749 root  20   0 67588  36m  11m S   57  0.9  13:02.61 Xorg   
27653 merciadr  20   0  299m  68m  26m S   21  1.7   0:08.76 firefox-bin
 4051 merciadr  20   0 47784  16m 8740 S1  0.4   0:03.36 gnome-settings-
 4073 merciadr  20   0 17988 9456 7572 S1  0.2   0:08.36 metacity   
27171 merciadr  20   0 45288  14m 9.8m R1  0.3   0:00.46 gnome-terminal 
 4074 merciadr  20   0 55864  30m  12m S0  0.8   0:55.14 gnome-panel
1 root  20   0  2104  688  588 S0  0.0   0:01.22 init   
2 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd   
3 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.02 migration/0
4 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:02.42 ksoftirqd/0
5 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0 
6 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/1
7 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.70 ksoftirqd/1
8 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/1 
9 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.02 migration/2
   10 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.78 ksoftirqd/2
   11 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00
 watchdog/2

with a brand new firefox (i.e. virgin profile) on youtube.com; if I
scroll really quickly, I get up to 106 % CPU usage by Xorg (with 0.9 %
MEM).

As I said earlier, this problem seems to happen with some other apps
too, e.g. the system monitor.

 The first step I'd do is updating Firefox to 13.0.1 (it works like a
 charm in my lenny). But you can also run more tests, like disabling
 your add-ons and plugins (mainly flash player) and check for any
 improvement once you have turn all them off.

 Also, ensure you have the latest flash player plugin version installed,
 now 11.2.202.236.

 Well, as I said before I just reinstalled the firefox, last version,
 clean install, having removed .mozilla/* stuff, etc., and I'm still
 having these issues (no add-on, as I said). Flash is up-to-date.

 Disable the flash plugin at all (and so the same foe whatever additional 
 version you can have installed, e.g., gnash) and retry. It looks weird 
 seeing Firefox to render slowly a usual page like Youtube, even more with 
 flash player disabled :-?
I just tried, using the plug-in menu. This has no influence, and it
looks logical as the slowness problem is already encountered on the
welcome page, which does not really contain flash stuff (these are
just thumbnails)!

 You can also run the same tests you are doing with Firefox but using a 
 different browser to compare both results.
Yes. However, I think my problem is related to something other than
Firefox. What about the System monitor problem that I explained
before?

Thanks again.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-26 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:28:26 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Top command output would be interesting :-)

 Tasks: 203 total,   2 running, 201 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s): 14.0%us,  1.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 84.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.0%si, 
 0.0%st Mem:   4150284k total,  1712896k used,  2437388k free,   376712k
 buffers Swap:  6080560k total,0k used,  6080560k free,   523364k
 cached
 
   PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
  3749 root  20   0 67588  36m  11m S   57  0.9  13:02.61 Xorg
 27653 merciadr  20   0  299m  68m  26m S   21  1.7   0:08.76 firefox-bin

(...)

 with a brand new firefox (i.e. virgin profile) on youtube.com; if I
 scroll really quickly, I get up to 106 % CPU usage by Xorg (with 0.9 %
 MEM).
 
 As I said earlier, this problem seems to happen with some other apps
 too, e.g. the system monitor.

Mmm... interesting. Note there's also Xorg there, taking too much of your
CPU cycles. I've seen this before, Google will confirm:

http://bit.ly/LNMAzg

But if you say you experience the same problem with another applications, 
this points to a component that is shared between them, and I can only
think in Xorg and the VGA drivers. There's a additional but here and is
that as you are using Lenny, I can guess that none of these two could have
changed recently so the mistery still remains unless you installed something
recently :-)

 Disable the flash plugin at all (and so the same foe whatever
 additional version you can have installed, e.g., gnash) and retry. It
 looks weird seeing Firefox to render slowly a usual page like Youtube,
 even more with flash player disabled :-?

 I just tried, using the plug-in menu. This has no influence, and it
 looks logical as the slowness problem is already encountered on the
 welcome page, which does not really contain flash stuff (these are just
 thumbnails)!

Well, yes, the Firefox start page shouldn't be problematic _unless_ you are
using the new feature that displays the latest visited sites in thumbnails ;-)

 You can also run the same tests you are doing with Firefox but using a
 different browser to compare both results.

 Yes. However, I think my problem is related to something other than
 Firefox. What about the System monitor problem that I explained before?

GNOME system monitor can become an intensive task, I mean, is not a good tool
to use to compare with, but you can try to reproduce the CPU pikes launching 
different applications (e.g., OOo writer, gedit, any Qt based app that you may
have installed, a java tool...).

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-26 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:28:26 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Top command output would be interesting :-)

 Tasks: 203 total,   2 running, 201 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s): 14.0%us,  1.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 84.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.0%si, 
 0.0%st Mem:   4150284k total,  1712896k used,  2437388k free,   376712k
 buffers Swap:  6080560k total,0k used,  6080560k free,   523364k
 cached
 
   PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
  3749 root  20   0 67588  36m  11m S   57  0.9  13:02.61 Xorg
 27653 merciadr  20   0  299m  68m  26m S   21  1.7   0:08.76 firefox-bin

 (...)

 with a brand new firefox (i.e. virgin profile) on youtube.com; if I
 scroll really quickly, I get up to 106 % CPU usage by Xorg (with 0.9 %
 MEM).
 
 As I said earlier, this problem seems to happen with some other apps
 too, e.g. the system monitor.

 Mmm... interesting. Note there's also Xorg there, taking too much of your
 CPU cycles. I've seen this before, Google will confirm:

 http://bit.ly/LNMAzg

 But if you say you experience the same problem with another applications, 
 this points to a component that is shared between them, and I can only
 think in Xorg and the VGA drivers. There's a additional but here and is
 that as you are using Lenny, I can guess that none of these two could have
 changed recently so the mistery still remains unless you installed something
 recently :-)
There is something I don't understand in this. Xorg takes way too much
CPU cycles, which might be a cause of the slowness I'm currently
encountering. However, what is the link with the VGA drivers? I know
Xorg is related to the graphical part of the system, but even if Xorg
was eating way too much CPU cycles, how damn could it result in such a
slowness? I'm having a 4-core config. with thus 4 CPUs at 2.66 Ghz!

I just
checked the Nvidia website (for my GeForce 8400 GS), and it looks like
they have absolutely no driver for me. However, many years ago, I
installed a proprietary driver from Nvidia for my graphic
card. Together with this driver, I installed nvidia-settings with
TwinView. This is the way I'm having a multi-screen
configuration. Here is my xorg.conf:

==
# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildd@ninsei)  Tue Jun 24 18:11:48 UTC 2008

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildd@ninsei)  Fri Sep  5 22:23:08 UTC 2008

Section ServerLayout
Identifier Layout0
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
EndSection

Section Files
RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
EndSection

Section Module
Load   dbe
Load   extmod
Load   type1
Load   freetype
Load   glx
EndSection

Section ServerFlags
Option Xinerama 0
EndSection

Section InputDevice

# generated from default
Identifier Mouse0
Driver mouse
Option Protocol auto
Option Device /dev/psaux
Option Emulate3Buttons no
Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
EndSection

Section InputDevice

# generated from default
Identifier Keyboard0
Driver kbd
Option XkbRules   xorg
Option XkbModel   pc105
Option XkbLayout  be
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier Monitor0
VendorName Unknown
ModelName  Samsung SyncMaster
HorizSync   30.0 - 81.0
VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
Option DPMS
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier Device0
Driver nvidia
VendorName NVIDIA Corporation
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier Videocard0
Driver nvidia
VendorName NVIDIA Corporation
BoardName  GeForce 8400 GS
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Videocard0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth24
Option TwinView 1
Option TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder DFP-0
Option metamodes CRT: nvidia-auto-select +1680+0, DFP: 
nvidia-auto-select +0+0; CRT: 1280x1024 +0+0, DFP: NULL; CRT: 1280x1024 
+1680+0, DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0
SubSection Display
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection
==

It looks like my xorg.conf file has not been changed since 2010,
according to the output of `ls -al' in /etc/X11.

 Disable the flash plugin at all (and so the same foe whatever
 additional version you can have installed, e.g., gnash) and retry. It
 looks weird seeing Firefox to render slowly a usual page like Youtube,
 even more with flash player disabled :-?

 I just tried, using the plug-in menu. This has no influence, and it
 looks logical as the slowness problem is already encountered

Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-25 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes:

 On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:58 +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:40:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:33 +, Camaleón wrote:
  But you can also run more tests, like disabling your add-ons and
  plugins
  
  E.g. by using another profile, 
 
 (...)
 
 No, I wanted he tries first with his current profile to discard a problem 
 between YouTube and outdated applications (browser and plugins/addons). 
 
 Moving to and empty Firefox profile should go in a later stage if none of 
 the above makes a noticeable difference because regardless the nature of 
 the problem, running updated versions of Firefox and flash player is 
 nowadays a must for security reasons.

 Ok :), I guess it doesn't matter how to start, but I might be mistaken.
 At least I agree regarding to Gnash or FlashPlayer, when YouTube is in
 play.

 Hello OP, do you use Gnash or FlashPlayer? I suspect you already use
 FlashPlayer ... however, get latest version of the proprietary
 FlashPlayer. I suspect that less people on this list like FlashPlayer,
 but the web is based on it and we hardly can abandon it, it's a PITA.
As I explained earlier, I'm using Flash Player and tested with a brand
new Firefox (last version), together with the last Flash Player too
(brand new, again). This, to make sure every question has been answered.
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-25 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:

 Hello Merciadri,

 Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote:
 $ free -m
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
 Mem:  4053   2002   2050  0340832
 - -/+ buffers/cache:829   3223
 Swap: 5938  0   5938

 Looks good.

  3751 root  20   0 79832  45m  12m R   94  1.1  48:38.35 Xorg

 15799 merciadr  20   0  313m  84m  27m S   19  2.1   1:33.43 firefox-bin 


 X really shouldn’t take that much CPU time. What’s the output of

 $ glxinfo
$ glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, 
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, 
GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, 
GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, 
GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, 
GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, GLX_NV_present_video
GLX version: 1.3
GLX extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, 
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, 
GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, 
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.09
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, 
GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, 
GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_imaging, 
GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, 
GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, 
GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, 
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression, 
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, 
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float, 
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, 
GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, 
GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, 
GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_float, 
GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, 
GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, 
GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, 
GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, 
GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_bindable_uniform, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, 
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-25 Thread Claudius Hubig
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Hello Merciadri,

that looks all quite good. You are using direct rendering, no errors
show up in the log file and although the screen is quite large, that
shouldn’t be the problem. But maybe you could try to install a newer
nVidia-Driver, if available?

Best regards,

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-25 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Claudius,

I just tested with a new driver, to no avail. I sometimes hear the
fans in the computer running mad.

Here is a quick video that I took with Istanbul:

http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/cpu_use.ogg

Istanbul seems to be slowly recording the video (you can see it
freezes regularly), and that kind of behaviour is the one that I
encounter frequently, despite giving a smaller `waiting time.'

It looks like the Quad-Core is not dealt with at all!
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:56:00 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 
 How about your ram?

 I have 4.0 GiB and I'm using a max of 1500 MiB with firefox and youtube,
 so there's really no problem over there, unfortunately.

Okay, then no, ram should not be a issue here.

 When that happens, run top and look for the CPU and MEM columns.

Top command output would be interesting :-)

 The first step I'd do is updating Firefox to 13.0.1 (it works like a
 charm in my lenny). But you can also run more tests, like disabling
 your add-ons and plugins (mainly flash player) and check for any
 improvement once you have turn all them off.

 Also, ensure you have the latest flash player plugin version installed,
 now 11.2.202.236.

 Well, as I said before I just reinstalled the firefox, last version,
 clean install, having removed .mozilla/* stuff, etc., and I'm still
 having these issues (no add-on, as I said). Flash is up-to-date.

Disable the flash plugin at all (and so the same foe whatever additional 
version you can have installed, e.g., gnash) and retry. It looks weird 
seeing Firefox to render slowly a usual page like Youtube, even more with 
flash player disabled :-?

You can also run the same tests you are doing with Firefox but using a 
different browser to compare both results.

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Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Hi,

I'm using the deprecated Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
kernel on an Asus P5K/EPU motherboard with a 4-cores config. I'm
having, already for a long time, slowness issues.

It looks like when a task is `too demanding,' everything freezes until
this task is completed (that would not be a problem if it was done
quickly, but this is however not the case).

Take for example www.youtube.com. On the entry page, scrolling say 3
or 4 times the mouse wheel results in such a behaviour:

1) scrolling a little bit in the page,
2) waiting 2 or 3 (!) seconds, then scrolling the rest.

That is, scrolling is slow and freezes for 2-3 s after having scrolled
a little bit. Then, it scrolls until where it had to stop.

My HDD is not full, and I've already cleared all my temporary
internet files. This behaviour also happens sometimes with other applications,
but this is mostly the case with youtube.com on Mozilla Firefox 11.0.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Firefox or Iceweasel? However, even if sometimes other apps cause this
too, the cause might be Firefox. With 'firefox -P' you could use a new
instance of Firefox, to test if it does behave like your default.
Perhaps there are messages, if you run Firefox by a terminal emulation.
Firefox is my favorite web browser, but it can cause issues other
browsers don't cause.


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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Gary Dale

On 24/06/12 11:05 AM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

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Hi,

I'm using the deprecated Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
kernel on an Asus P5K/EPU motherboard with a 4-cores config. I'm
having, already for a long time, slowness issues.

It looks like when a task is `too demanding,' everything freezes until
this task is completed (that would not be a problem if it was done
quickly, but this is however not the case).

Take for example www.youtube.com. On the entry page, scrolling say 3
or 4 times the mouse wheel results in such a behaviour:

1) scrolling a little bit in the page,
2) waiting 2 or 3 (!) seconds, then scrolling the rest.

That is, scrolling is slow and freezes for 2-3 s after having scrolled
a little bit. Then, it scrolls until where it had to stop.

My HDD is not full, and I've already cleared all my temporary
internet files. This behaviour also happens sometimes with other applications,
but this is mostly the case with youtube.com on Mozilla Firefox 11.0.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 17:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Firefox or Iceweasel? However, even if sometimes other apps cause this
 too, the cause might be Firefox. With 'firefox -P' you could use a new
 instance of Firefox, to test if it does behave like your default.
  Oops, no, it's another profile, sorry for my broken English,
anyway, test it.
 Perhaps there are messages, if you run Firefox by a terminal emulation.
 Firefox is my favorite web browser, but it can cause issues other
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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:05:37 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Hi there... Nice to read you again! :-)

 I'm using the deprecated Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem kernel
 on an Asus P5K/EPU motherboard with a 4-cores config. I'm having,
 already for a long time, slowness issues.

How about your ram?
 
 It looks like when a task is `too demanding,' everything freezes until
 this task is completed (that would not be a problem if it was done
 quickly, but this is however not the case).

When that happens, run top and look for the CPU and MEM columns.

 Take for example www.youtube.com. On the entry page, scrolling say 3 or
 4 times the mouse wheel results in such a behaviour:
 
 1) scrolling a little bit in the page, 
 2) waiting 2 or 3 (!) seconds, then scrolling the rest.
 
 That is, scrolling is slow and freezes for 2-3 s after having scrolled a
 little bit. Then, it scrolls until where it had to stop.
 
 My HDD is not full, and I've already cleared all my temporary internet
 files. This behaviour also happens sometimes with other applications,
 but this is mostly the case with youtube.com on Mozilla Firefox 11.0.

The first step I'd do is updating Firefox to 13.0.1 (it works like a 
charm in my lenny). But you can also run more tests, like disabling your 
add-ons and plugins (mainly flash player) and check for any improvement 
once you have turn all them off.

Also, ensure you have the latest flash player plugin version installed, 
now 11.2.202.236.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:22:58 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

 On 24/06/12 11:05 AM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 I'm using the deprecated Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem kernel
 on an Asus P5K/EPU motherboard with a 4-cores config. I'm having,
 already for a long time, slowness issues.

(...)

 Have you considered moving to a more recent release? Lenny is ancient by
 today's standards.

But ancient does not have to mean slow nor problematic per se. I'm 
also using lenny and runs fast  furious in my quad-core system with 8 
GiB of ram ;-)

An update is planned once wheezy is out.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:33 +, Camaleón wrote:
 But you can also run more tests, like disabling your 
 add-ons and plugins

E.g. by using another profile, running 'firefox -P' by a terminal
emulation. Keep your default profile and test what happens with a
virginal Firefox, so you can keep everything you like for your default
and track down the issue, by e.g. adding one add-on after the other.


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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Claudius Hubig
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Hello Merciadri,

Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote:
 1) scrolling a little bit in the page,
 2) waiting 2 or 3 (!) seconds, then scrolling the rest.
 
 That is, scrolling is slow and freezes for 2-3 s after having scrolled
 a little bit. Then, it scrolls until where it had to stop.

How much memory and swap do you have (free -m)? Which desktop
environment do you run? Are there other processes (check with (h)top,
maybe ps).

Best regards,

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:40:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:33 +, Camaleón wrote:
 But you can also run more tests, like disabling your add-ons and
 plugins
 
 E.g. by using another profile, 

(...)

No, I wanted he tries first with his current profile to discard a problem 
between YouTube and outdated applications (browser and plugins/addons). 

Moving to and empty Firefox profile should go in a later stage if none of 
the above makes a noticeable difference because regardless the nature of 
the problem, running updated versions of Firefox and flash player is 
nowadays a must for security reasons.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:58 +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:40:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 15:33 +, Camaleón wrote:
  But you can also run more tests, like disabling your add-ons and
  plugins
  
  E.g. by using another profile, 
 
 (...)
 
 No, I wanted he tries first with his current profile to discard a problem 
 between YouTube and outdated applications (browser and plugins/addons). 
 
 Moving to and empty Firefox profile should go in a later stage if none of 
 the above makes a noticeable difference because regardless the nature of 
 the problem, running updated versions of Firefox and flash player is 
 nowadays a must for security reasons.

Ok :), I guess it doesn't matter how to start, but I might be mistaken.
At least I agree regarding to Gnash or FlashPlayer, when YouTube is in
play.

Hello OP, do you use Gnash or FlashPlayer? I suspect you already use
FlashPlayer ... however, get latest version of the proprietary
FlashPlayer. I suspect that less people on this list like FlashPlayer,
but the web is based on it and we hardly can abandon it, it's a PITA.


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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com writes:

 Have you considered moving to a more recent release?
Yes.
 Lenny is ancient by today's standards.
I know, but apart from the firefox problem, my installation is quite
stable and I don't want to move now.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes:

 Firefox or Iceweasel?
Firefox 13.0.1.
 However, even if sometimes other apps cause this
 too, the cause might be Firefox. With 'firefox -P' you could use a new
 instance of Firefox, to test if it does behave like your default.
 Perhaps there are messages, if you run Firefox by a terminal emulation.
 Firefox is my favorite web browser, but it can cause issues other
 browsers don't cause.
I just tested firefox -P but that does not help. In terminal, I'm
having no message when launching firefox and surfing on youtube.com.

Even with a brand new installation, that is, no .mozilla directory, no
add-on, no extension, nothing, the problem already appears. Why?

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:05:37 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 Hi there... Nice to read you again! :-)

 I'm using the deprecated Debian Lenny with a 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem kernel
 on an Asus P5K/EPU motherboard with a 4-cores config. I'm having,
 already for a long time, slowness issues.

 How about your ram?
I have 4.0 GiB and I'm using a max of 1500 MiB with firefox and
youtube, so there's really no problem over there, unfortunately.

 It looks like when a task is `too demanding,' everything freezes until
 this task is completed (that would not be a problem if it was done
 quickly, but this is however not the case).

 When that happens, run top and look for the CPU and MEM columns.

 Take for example www.youtube.com. On the entry page, scrolling say 3 or
 4 times the mouse wheel results in such a behaviour:
 
 1) scrolling a little bit in the page, 
 2) waiting 2 or 3 (!) seconds, then scrolling the rest.
 
 That is, scrolling is slow and freezes for 2-3 s after having scrolled a
 little bit. Then, it scrolls until where it had to stop.
 
 My HDD is not full, and I've already cleared all my temporary internet
 files. This behaviour also happens sometimes with other applications,
 but this is mostly the case with youtube.com on Mozilla Firefox 11.0.

 The first step I'd do is updating Firefox to 13.0.1 (it works like a 
 charm in my lenny). But you can also run more tests, like disabling your 
 add-ons and plugins (mainly flash player) and check for any improvement 
 once you have turn all them off.

 Also, ensure you have the latest flash player plugin version installed, 
 now 11.2.202.236.
Well, as I said before I just reinstalled the firefox, last version,
clean install, having removed .mozilla/* stuff, etc., and I'm still
having these issues (no add-on, as I said). Flash is up-to-date.

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Claudius,

I have about 6 GiB of swap, and 0 is used. With other apps running,

$ free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  4053   2002   2050  0340832
- -/+ buffers/cache:829   3223
Swap: 5938  0   5938

I'm running Gnome, so there should not be any concern about this.

$ top

top - 21:59:14 up  6:27,  5 users,  load average: 1.17, 0.95, 0.81
Tasks: 194 total,   2 running, 192 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 23.0%us,  2.2%sy,  0.0%ni, 74.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   4150284k total,  2055016k used,  2095268k free,   349040k buffers
Swap:  6080560k total,0k used,  6080560k free,   852368k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
 3751 root  20   0 79832  45m  12m R   94  1.1  48:38.35 Xorg   
15799 merciadr  20   0  313m  84m  27m S   19  2.1   1:33.43 firefox-bin
 3092 root  20   0 18436 1040  780 S5  0.0   4:13.50 cpufreqd   
16021 merciadr  20   0 45756  17m  13m S5  0.4   0:35.04 gnome-system-mo
 4634 nut   20   0  2212  780  496 S1  0.0   0:05.04 usbhid-ups 
16256 merciadr  20   0  2524 1184  876 R1  0.0   0:00.02 top
 4067 merciadr  20   0 34536  15m  11m S0  0.4   0:48.50 kded   
1 root  20   0  2104  688  588 S0  0.0   0:01.48 init   
2 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd   
3 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.16 migration/0
4 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.74 ksoftirqd/0
5 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.02 watchdog/0 
6 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.04 migration/1
7 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.88 ksoftirqd/1
8 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/1 
9 root  RT  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.08 migration/2
   10 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.68
 ksoftirqd/2


Note that I often hear the fan going mad, e.g. when simply launching
the system monitor. Every time I launch the system monitor, it takes
sth. like 5 seconds before displaying graphs. And, during these
seconds, everything is frozen: playing music stops, for example, and
then continues 5 seconds later (5 seconds later in the sound too).

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Re: Slowness problem

2012-06-24 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Merciadri,

Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote:
 $ free -m
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
 Mem:  4053   2002   2050  0340832
 - -/+ buffers/cache:829   3223
 Swap: 5938  0   5938

Looks good.

  3751 root  20   0 79832  45m  12m R   94  1.1  48:38.35 Xorg 
   
 15799 merciadr  20   0  313m  84m  27m S   19  2.1   1:33.43 firefox-bin  
   

X really shouldn’t take that much CPU time. What’s the output of

$ glxinfo
$ xrandr

and which graphics card do you use? (Ideally, attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log) :)

Best regards,

Claudius

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