Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-07-01 Thread André Nunes Batista
I enjoyed very much to read your previous post, but here I'll have to disagree. Debian aims to be a universal operating system, but this is to some point contradictory with the pace of computer architecture innovation, which is not at all controlled by free software community, but self imposed as

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/1/2013 11:07 AM, André Nunes Batista wrote: I enjoyed very much to read your previous post, but here I'll have to disagree. Debian aims to be a universal operating system, but this is to some point contradictory with the pace of computer architecture innovation, which is not at all

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-30 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster operations. Your 32 bit PAE Sid kernel can

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-30 Thread Jeff Bauer
200 browser tabs /and/ a gmail account. That figures ... On 06/30/2013 04:22 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: Can't speak for him of course, but my SeaMonkey is currently using 4.2 GB RES and 5.3 GB VIRT (probably north of 200 tabs)

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster operations. Your 32 bit PAE Sid kernel can address 64GB. Since your new machine will have less than 64GB RAM you're wasting no

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-29 Thread Frank McCormick
On 06/29/2013 02:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster operations. Your 32 bit PAE Sid kernel can address 64GB. Since your new machine

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-29 Thread Doug
On 06/29/2013 06:38 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: On 06/29/2013 02:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster operations. Your 32 bit PAE Sid

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 6/29/2013 6:00 PM, Doug wrote: So why have we been bamboozled into running 64 bits if there is no advantage? There are many reasons. One is priming the pump. At some point in the future applications are predicted to become so content rich (bloated) that individual application processes

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-29 Thread Gary Dale
On 29/06/13 07:00 PM, Doug wrote: On 06/29/2013 06:38 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: On 06/29/2013 02:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 6/28/2013 2:49 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: For now I will run regular 32-bit Sid..realizing I am wasting the opportunity to utilize more memory and perhaps faster

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 28.06.2013 um 06:15 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: On 6/27/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Dale wrote: 32bit systems have memory limitations that you don't encounter with 64bit. There are two such limitations when using a PAE kernel and 32bit user space on x86-64, which are the same limitations on P6 class

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread André Nunes Batista
in which there is no loser but everything is fun and worthwhile! ---BeginMessage--- On 6/27/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 27/06/13 10:56 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Gary Dale
On 28/06/13 01:30 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 32 bit Sid and am thinking about a new computer which has a 64 bit Intel CPU. How much of a hassle will it be switching my installation over ? I know there are some problems with Flash but what

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Frank McCormick
but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. Well , that was quite the debate

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Gary Dale
know there are some problems with Flash but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Slavko
installation over ? I know there are some problems with Flash but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 28 June 2013 21:58:29 Slavko wrote: I don't know, what you have in your $HOME, but i simple copied whole my $HOME from old i386 system - scripts was worked and data was accessible (at least i don't remember any problems). +1 I was nervous and stuck to what worked for a bit, even on

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-28 Thread Frank McCormick
will it be switching my installation over ? I know there are some problems with Flash but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64

Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Frank McCormick
I am running 32 bit Sid and am thinking about a new computer which has a 64 bit Intel CPU. How much of a hassle will it be switching my installation over ? I know there are some problems with Flash but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Yaro Yaro
Honestly, there's not really any major issue with Flash on 64-bit unless you use nspluginwrapper. Use native 64-bit flash. Debian's multilib is a lot better, so the only issue is maybe in support for software only available in 32-bit. Conrad On Jun 27, 2013 7:12 PM, Frank McCormick

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Gary Dale
about the kernel and so forth- I am not a newby but this is the first time I've considered a a major change. You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. Not really. 32bit systems have memory

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Conrad Nelson
. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1372392329.24775.6.camel@twilight.heartbeat

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 6/27/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 27/06/13 10:56 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: You don't have to change anything. 32 bit Sid will run just fine on an x86-64 CPU. Switching to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. Not really. Yes, really. This is fact. Don't disagree

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Conrad Nelson
to 64 bit software is a choice, not a requirement. Not really. Yes, really. This is fact. Don't disagree with facts Gary, especially when I am the one stating them. And don't do it with a flexible spine. If you're going to disagree with me, take a firm stance. 32bit systems have

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
that there are server issues (postmaster), nor hat I'm banned (listmaster). Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf ralf mardorf@alice-dsl net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Switching to 64 bit Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 04:30:12 +0200 The short answer: Backup your current Linux

Re: Switching to 64 bit

2013-06-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 32 bit Sid and am thinking about a new computer which has a 64 bit Intel CPU. How much of a hassle will it be switching my installation over ? I know there are some problems with Flash but what about the kernel and so forth- I am not a