Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 01:54:26PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: Google Talk can to connect to transports (for yahoo, msn, ect) on other severs. http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2006-05-02-n79.html It still needs a third server, but apparently you don't need to subscribe. Can anyone recommend a good Jabber/XMPP server with transport for Yahoo? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:24:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Ones that support open standards are best. My suggestions: * Any IM server supporting the XMPP instant messaging standard (such as Google Talk, LiveJournal Talk, jabber.org, etc.). There's really no reason or excuse to keeping Yahoo IM, MSN Messenger, AIM and ICQ around now that we have a open, standard IM protocol, regardless of what operating system you use. Except when none of your friends use it. As far as I can tell Google only communicates with AIM which I don't need. And even if Google has proven more FLOSS friendly than Yahoo, competition is good! Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:24:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Ones that support open standards are best. My suggestions: * Any IM server supporting the XMPP instant messaging standard (such as Google Talk, LiveJournal Talk, jabber.org, etc.). There's really no reason or excuse to keeping Yahoo IM, MSN Messenger, AIM and ICQ around now that we have a open, standard IM protocol, regardless of what operating system you use. Except when none of your friends use it. As far as I can tell Google only communicates with AIM which I don't need. And even if Google has proven more FLOSS friendly than Yahoo, competition is good! Google Talk can to connect to transports (for yahoo, msn, ect) on other severs. http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2006-05-02-n79.html Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. That said, the user who actually has some need to do it probably has the necessary skills to just remove the (e)uid check. - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVgJaLeTfO4yBSAcRAqduAKC/i/gVUPx0vvyUPRRIm/vxTm0XcQCeO4yH 6DtxURQukYDmTDKxzwqcWlA= =vYBA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. And looking at your signature, I noticed IRC wasn't really mentioned in this thread. Not exactly instant-messaging, but a good place to get support (errr... or to be labeled as n00b). I normally use xchat, which is probably also the client of choice for the Gnomes. From what I understand, Konversation is the client of choice for the Trolls (err... KDE folks). The ChatZilla extension to Iceweael (or whatever) is also quite nice. Gaim/Pidgin and Kopete have their own IRC plugins. And there's the irssi terminal-based client. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. And looking at your signature, I noticed IRC wasn't really mentioned in this thread. Not exactly instant-messaging, but a good place to get support (errr... or to be labeled as n00b). I normally use xchat, which is probably also the client of choice for the Gnomes. From what I understand, Konversation is the client of choice for the Trolls (err... KDE folks). The ChatZilla extension to Iceweael (or whatever) is also quite nice. Gaim/Pidgin and Kopete have their own IRC plugins. And there's the irssi terminal-based client. irssi + screen. it's where it's at /plug - -- Rich Healey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin - OpenPGP: 0x8C8147807 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 irc.psych0tik.net- #hbh #admins richohealey irc.freenode.org - #hbh #debian PythonNinja -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVln+LeTfO4yBSAcRAjjNAJoCsFBI/VG/J1IEhWhuXZGmDBWOdgCgiI72 kNZUXNa3Y1rvmpHqDR6HU6s= =Z6Ng -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
Thanks for recommending the gaim, i finally found the right IM software which support chinese input on etch! I'd like to make a report on my thoughts 1. my favorite IM softwares: gaim,amsn on etch, pidgin,amsn,emesene on lenny, for I use MSN most 2. for blog, i decide to make my own machine a web server, for i myself is a web developer. :) 3. for email, gmail and I'm happy to learn so many softwares from you, like skype,GetLive, blogspot,wordpress, IRC, xchat, fetion plugin for pidgin(chinese service),baidu hi blog,wine + ies4linux,psi, . thanks, debian has so rich software, i really like it. :) **Buddha Debian GNU/Linux MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:04:59 -0400 Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! I use gaim for IM. That way I chat with all my yahoo, hotmail, gmail friends at the same time and using just one program. The only downside of gaim is that there is no voice chat facility available as in yahoo, gtalk etc., For voice chat etc., I use skype which works perfectly on both Windows, Linux. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhWg+cACgkQS9HxQb37XmcocQCfSnUEED/J+Kuc04eN6pjlb/p6 c1QAnilFsLKXhMmKwXGlrcds/TtNPbM2 =tFnE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 09:32 +0800, Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! Ones that support open standards are best. My suggestions: * Any IM server supporting the XMPP instant messaging standard (such as Google Talk, LiveJournal Talk, jabber.org, etc.). There's really no reason or excuse to keeping Yahoo IM, MSN Messenger, AIM and ICQ around now that we have a open, standard IM protocol, regardless of what operating system you use. * Any email provider capable of handling authenticated SMTP and IMAP4 (or at least POP3, but IMAP4 is all around a better answer than POP3). Gmail, most regional ISPs offer this. * Blogger and LiveJournal are good options in the blog world. Hope this helps. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 20:52 -0700, Lee Glidewell wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2008 06:32:59 pm Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! There's no reason you can't use those services with Debian. Hotmail webmail is, of course, OS-independent; Unless you want to easily use third-party tools to handle Hotmail. Kopete and Pidgin have limited support for MSN Messenger (as well as all the other popular IM protocols), Though XMPP obsoleted the need for Kopete and Pidgin to support anything other than XMPP and maybe IRC. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:46 +0800, Star Liu wrote: I have tried emesene, it's excellent! except that it refuses root to use it. :) This is a feature, not a bug. You should never, ever log in as root. Just use your normal user account and only use root when root permissions are actually needed. If you're logged in as root right now, log out, and log in as your regular user, before doing anything else, then read this web page: http://www.newlinuxuser.com/explain-why-not-log-on-as-root/ -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 16:04 +1000, Rich Healey wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. Odds are the decision to fail as root was made by upstream, not Debian. It would be a good thing if more programs that shouldn't be run as root (or Administrator) failed as root intentionally, esp. on Windows. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
Please demonstrate that you made it through school having learned that most languages flow in logical order from the top down, not in random order. The best way to do so is to stop top posting. http://learn.to/quote On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 20:35 +0800, Star Liu wrote: Thanks for recommending the gaim, i finally found the right IM software which support chinese input on etch! I'd like to make a report on my thoughts 1. my favorite IM softwares: gaim,amsn on etch, pidgin,amsn,emesene on lenny, for I use MSN most Gaim is gone. It's now called Pidgin. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Monday 16 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. I use root logins to X, but usually while setting up a system. I work better with a GUI. I know that's not a cool thing to say on a geek list, but it's the way my brain works. When I set up a system, lots of times there's mount points to create and other things I need to do that involved a program like Konqueror. Also my clients use a program I wrote that needs to be installed as root for some of the setup scripts, but I needed cross-platform GUI installer and wasn't going to spend days writing my own, so I settled on IZPack, which I like so much I've contributed to it. A console installer was not an option because I needed one installer (try maintaining 2 installers, one for Windows, one for Linux!) for both platforms and needed something for people that think the blue e stands for Enternet instead of Internet. The result is needing to use a GUI installer that has to be run as root. Not my favorite option, but a necessary one. On my system, when I'm testing, I can run Xeypher from the command line so it's not a serious problem and have been willing to walk the few Linux-using clients of mine through the same process. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/08 11:52, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. I use root logins to X, but usually while setting up a system. I work better with a GUI. I know that's not a cool thing to say on a geek list, but it's the way my brain works. Must ... Not ... Make ... Comment ... When I set up a system, lots of times there's mount points to create and other things I need to do that involved a program like Konqueror. Also my clients use a program I wrote that needs to be installed as root for some of the setup scripts, but I needed cross-platform GUI installer and wasn't going to spend days writing my own, so I settled on IZPack, which I like so much I've contributed to it. A console installer was not an option because I needed one installer (try maintaining 2 installers, one for Windows, one for Linux!) for both platforms and needed something for people that think the blue e stands for Enternet instead of Internet. The result is needing to use a GUI installer that has to be run as root. Not my favorite option, but a necessary one. - From an xterm $ prompt, run su -p. That will let you run GUI programs as root while logged in as an unpriv user. On my system, when I'm testing, I can run Xeypher from the command line so it's not a serious problem and have been willing to walk the few Linux-using clients of mine through the same process. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhWplUACgkQS9HxQb37XmfG5gCgz9QHrFrcRHjHNt37yBBxE+I3 kEAAoOZNDDhu27bM9XJKNAtq2ZRvih/2 =hwtq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Monday 16 June 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 11:52, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. I use root logins to X, but usually while setting up a system. I work better with a GUI. I know that's not a cool thing to say on a geek list, but it's the way my brain works. Must ... Not ... Make ... Comment ... Go ahead. Please do. You know darned well I have the background and experience to inundate you with way too much information on learning styles, how we think, and that different people work and learn in different ways. Don't you want me to back up what I said like I've done on other discussion groups about learning styles and how expecting all people to use one style of learning, thinking, or working, is inappropriate? Aren't you just aching to bait me and get a long discussion going so you can complain about liberals like you so love to do? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:52 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. I use root logins to X, but usually while setting up a system. I work better with a GUI. I know that's not a cool thing to say on a geek list, but it's the way my brain works. When I set up a system, lots of times there's mount points to create and other things I need to do that involved a program like Konqueror. Still seems like a weak excuse: If you log in as a normal user, both major desktop environments have reasonable run as another user methods that are easy and effective to use as opposed to logging in as root. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/08 13:00, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 11:52, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 10:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/08 07:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [snip] A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. As did Mandrake, when I left it for Debian. I always thought it was a good idea. Seems like it would be better to just disallow root logins to X. And to use PGP MIME instead of long-ago deprecated inline PGP. I use root logins to X, but usually while setting up a system. I work better with a GUI. I know that's not a cool thing to say on a geek list, but it's the way my brain works. Must ... Not ... Make ... Comment ... Go ahead. Please do. You know darned well I have the background and experience to inundate you with way too much information on learning styles, how we think, and that different people work and learn in different ways. Don't you want me to back up what I said like I've done on other discussion groups about learning styles and how expecting all people to use one style of learning, thinking, or working, is inappropriate? Aren't you just aching to bait me and get a long discussion going so you can complain about liberals like you so love to do? Complaining about liberals is like complaining about the mosquitos. Easy to do, but ultimately fruitless. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhWrgwACgkQS9HxQb37XmeIuACgykegTGgEV3KKqQJ5eOP+Rmsh FFQAoNwggJJc6i71ohaz6fJjMt7PaBd3 =AV11 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:35:40AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 20:35 +0800, Star Liu wrote: Thanks for recommending the gaim, i finally found the right IM software which support chinese input on etch! I'd like to make a report on my thoughts 1. my favorite IM softwares: gaim,amsn on etch, pidgin,amsn,emesene on lenny, for I use MSN most Gaim is gone. It's now called Pidgin. Etch still has Gaim. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 18:41 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:35:40AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 20:35 +0800, Star Liu wrote: Thanks for recommending the gaim, i finally found the right IM software which support chinese input on etch! I'd like to make a report on my thoughts 1. my favorite IM softwares: gaim,amsn on etch, pidgin,amsn,emesene on lenny, for I use MSN most Gaim is gone. It's now called Pidgin. Etch still has Gaim. That may be true, but that wasn't what was under discussion: His favorite IM clients were. I was pointing out he said the same one twice. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:18:06PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:10PM +1000, Rich Healey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? I disagree. I agree that in 99% of cases running normal UL applications as root is a bad idea, but this isn't ubuntu. If I want to play with [whatever] as root, then it should damn well let me. A certain version of SuSE would set the desktop background to red if you logged in as root. And looking at your signature, I noticed IRC wasn't really mentioned in this thread. Not exactly instant-messaging, but a good place to get support (errr... or to be labeled as n00b). I normally use xchat, which is probably also the client of choice for the Gnomes. From what I understand, Konversation is the client of choice for the Trolls (err... KDE folks). The ChatZilla extension to Iceweael (or whatever) is also quite nice. Gaim/Pidgin and Kopete have their own IRC plugins. And there's the irssi terminal-based client. irssi + screen. it's where it's at AOL that! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
I use the default installation of etch and lenny, yes, in fact they work quite fine, so maybe i should keep them. :) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:47:10 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 20:32, Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! GNOME or KDE? (I doubt you're using one of the other GUI interfaces.) Do these apps function properly under Linux Iceweasel/Firefox? If so, you *might* want to keep on using them. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIVIKuS9HxQb37XmcRAn7kAKC/GLmP2lMpfAG0vdGJBxP+QlkJgQCgmRUK LspM4NKQxElB+WTbfvYoLaM= =RheI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/15/08 04:54, Star Liu wrote: I use the default installation of etch and lenny, yes, in fact they work quite fine, so maybe i should keep them. :) I guess that's GNOME? What's the they that work fine? Iceweasel/Firefox, Epiphany, Evolution, Thunderbird/Icedove, Pidgin? Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:47:10 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users? On 06/14/08 20:32, Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! GNOME or KDE? (I doubt you're using one of the other GUI interfaces.) Do these apps function properly under Linux Iceweasel/Firefox? If so, you *might* want to keep on using them. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIVOmdS9HxQb37XmcRAi1PAJ4z+w1g9ykgeSIza0sa9L4lA9sQ/wCfcCRa Yjsm9jeFJNAILvMBhwCTMTA= =Vc9p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
I have tried emesene, it's excellent! except that it refuses root to use it. :) I'm also happy to know the jabber and wordpress. thanks! **Buddha Debian GNU/Linux MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users? Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:52:37 -0700 On Saturday 14 June 2008 06:32:59 pm Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! There's no reason you can't use those services with Debian. Hotmail webmail is, of course, OS-independent; Kopete and Pidgin have limited support for MSN Messenger (as well as all the other popular IM protocols), and Emesene has more full-featured support; I'm not sure about Live Spaces, as this is the first I've heard of it, but if it's web-based and doesn't require ActiveX, it will work fine with any OS. If you're looking for things that are ideologically compatible with Debian's mission statement, then Jabber would be your IM protocol (jabber.org and GoogleTalk being the major providers here), Wordpress would be your blogging engine, and any POP3/IMAP mail provider would work. Lee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/15/08 05:46, Star Liu wrote: snip except that it refuses root to use it. :) As well it should. Why are you running as root? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIVPdhS9HxQb37XmcRAku7AKCqAWeUQvQUuj9lOHNg+aSiLpNoHgCcD2HX qgA/VaE8ovWbBEp0X4vGAZM= =IfJK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
I'm happy to know the gnome-blog and gtalk, but it seems by default gtalk doesn't with in lenny, after i installed, i found nothing in my internet menu, and the bash doesn't know gtalk. **Buddha Debian GNU/Linux MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:19:15 -0300 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users? Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx I think you are talking about an integrated environment, in that case you should try gtalk (jabber-xmmp) blogspot and gmail (from Google) All in a web interface or from the program of your choice, in my case pidgin, firefox and thunderbird. But you always can use those programs with msn, live spaces and hotmail... Nah, be free, the change wort it :-D -- --- http://stupidityandmalice.blogspot.com/ Ignacio Mondino Don't Panic _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Jun 15, 3:40 am, Star Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! Hello, To read your Microsoft e-mails with a normal e-mail client, you can try GetLive http://sourceforge.net/projects/getlive For Instant Messaging, you can try amsn http://packages.debian.org/amsn or http://www.google.com/search?q=msn+site%3Apackages.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Star Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy to know the gnome-blog and gtalk, but it seems by default gtalk doesn't with in lenny, after i installed, i found nothing in my internet menu, and the bash doesn't know gtalk. Are you trying to use the gtalk client? The downloadable client (as opposed to the gmail-integrated web client) is windows only. However, you can use any other Jabber client to connect to the gtalk server. I recommend Psi. Instructions for using Psi with gtalk are here: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24074 Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! I use gaim for IM. That way I chat with all my yahoo, hotmail, gmail friends at the same time and using just one program. The only downside of gaim is that there is no voice chat facility available as in yahoo, gtalk etc., For voice chat etc., I use skype which works perfectly on both Windows, Linux. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 20:32, Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! GNOME or KDE? (I doubt you're using one of the other GUI interfaces.) Do these apps function properly under Linux Iceweasel/Firefox? If so, you *might* want to keep on using them. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIVIKuS9HxQb37XmcRAn7kAKC/GLmP2lMpfAG0vdGJBxP+QlkJgQCgmRUK LspM4NKQxElB+WTbfvYoLaM= =RheI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
On Saturday 14 June 2008 06:32:59 pm Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! There's no reason you can't use those services with Debian. Hotmail webmail is, of course, OS-independent; Kopete and Pidgin have limited support for MSN Messenger (as well as all the other popular IM protocols), and Emesene has more full-featured support; I'm not sure about Live Spaces, as this is the first I've heard of it, but if it's web-based and doesn't require ActiveX, it will work fine with any OS. If you're looking for things that are ideologically compatible with Debian's mission statement, then Jabber would be your IM protocol (jabber.org and GoogleTalk being the major providers here), Wordpress would be your blogging engine, and any POP3/IMAP mail provider would work. Lee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which IM, blog and email service are best for debian users?
Star Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to ask this silly question here. I'm now using the microsoft live messenger, live spaces and hotmail as my IM, blog and email service provider, because i'm a windows user for a so long time. Two weeks before, I installed debian etch and lenny, and i like it very much. I'd like to get your opinions about which IM, blog and email services which suits debian best. Thanks! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx I think you are talking about an integrated environment, in that case you should try gtalk (jabber-xmmp) blogspot and gmail (from Google) All in a web interface or from the program of your choice, in my case pidgin, firefox and thunderbird. But you always can use those programs with msn, live spaces and hotmail... Nah, be free, the change wort it :-D -- --- http://stupidityandmalice.blogspot.com/ Ignacio Mondino Don't Panic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
