Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:28:21AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > Family is using Zoom, International. > They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. > > I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR > > I am concerned about security, duh! > Looking for ideas. > > my current thoughts, in order of

Re: Reply semantics, yet again (was Re: Zoom- best practice?)

[ It comes back to Jitsi and its license after a few paragraphs. And it is appalling. ] The Wanderer (12020-06-10): > What's with the stray 1, here? We are in 12020 HE = 2020 CE, HE stands for Holocene Era, or possibly Human Era, it is just shifted by 1 from the Common Era. As a consequence,

Reply semantics, yet again (was Re: Zoom- best practice?)

On 2020-06-10 at 09:27, Nicolas George wrote: > The Wanderer (12020-06-09): What's with the stray 1, here? >> I subscribe to probably dozens of mailing lists, and I don't know >> of any way to configure things to add that header with a proper >> value automatically on a per-mailing-list basis.

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:17 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > > Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's > a > > misuse of the reply-to header. > > A misuse that works, compared to non-misuses that regularly bring back > "don't cc me"

Re: Zoom- best practice?

The Wanderer (12020-06-09): > I subscribe to probably dozens of mailing lists, and I don't know of any > way to configure things to add that header with a proper value > automatically on a per-mailing-list basis. Otherwise, I'd probably have > done this years ago, unless other considerations

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 03:17:34PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (12020-06-10): Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's a misuse of the reply-to header. A misuse that works, Except for the things that it breaks, and the cases for which it

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's a > misuse of the reply-to header. A misuse that works, compared to non-misuses that regularly bring back "don't cc me" subthreads. At some points, the religion of "properly" using headers need

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 12:51:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Instead of writing this periodically, you could include: Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org in your headers just like I did. Properly configured mailing-list software does it by default for subscribed users, but Debian is an

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Original post: family is using Zoom. No alternative for me to participate... Zoom or nothing. Thanks for the suggestion. Peter Ehlert On June 9, 2020 10:56:10 AM Alberto Sentieri <2...@tripolho.com> wrote: This is a long thread. I did not read it all. Did anyone suggest http://meet.google.com?

Re: Zoom- best practice?

This is a long thread. I did not read it all. Did anyone suggest http://meet.google.com?

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Tuesday, June 09, 2020 05:45:24 AM Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-09): > > Can we stop that already? Nobody proved you can't build Jitsi or > > BBB from source. Everyone here is just too friggin' lazy to even > > try. > > > > Can we give 'em the benefit of the doubt until

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 06:41:33AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > (Please stop CCing me on replies [...] Sorry. [...] > FWIW, I have tried, at least in part. Thanks for taking the time to do, and thanks for reporting back. [...] > Even a successful build from a repository like that would not >

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 2020-06-09 at 06:51, Nicolas George wrote: > The Wanderer (12020-06-09): > >> (Please stop CCing me on replies - especially to messages which I >> did not actually send - unless you're specifically trying to draw >> my attention to a particular message and think I may not notice it >> without

Re: Zoom- best practice?

The Wanderer (12020-06-09): > (Please stop CCing me on replies - especially to messages which I did > not actually send - unless you're specifically trying to draw my > attention to a particular message and think I may not notice it without > the CC. Not only am I subscribed, I am in fact reading

Re: Zoom- best practice?

(Please stop CCing me on replies - especially to messages which I did not actually send - unless you're specifically trying to draw my attention to a particular message and think I may not notice it without the CC. Not only am I subscribed, I am in fact reading this thread on a

Re: Zoom- best practice?

to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-09): > Can we stop that already? Nobody proved you can't build Jitsi or > BBB from source. Everyone here is just too friggin' lazy to even > try. > > Can we give 'em the benefit of the doubt until someone really makes > his hands ditry on that? You can be naïve and

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 02:59:13PM -0600, Tom Dial wrote: > > > On 6/7/20 14:14, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 03:56:17PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Yeah, but that's not building Jitsi; that's installing a prebuilt Jitsi, > >> as shipped in those packages. > >> > >>

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/7/20 14:14, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 03:56:17PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> Yeah, but that's not building Jitsi; that's installing a prebuilt Jitsi, >> as shipped in those packages. >> >> Presumably, as those packages are for download from the authors' >>

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/8/20 12:06 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Open Source is not enough. I did not think it would be necessary to explain why Libre Software is important here. It is not just a matter of possible malicious in the code, it is a matter of being able to change it to suit our needs, to fix it if there

Re: Zoom- best practice?

David Wright wrote: > On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 19:30:19 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:37:55PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > > > Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the > > > > source, build

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 19:30:19 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:37:55PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > > Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the > > > source, build yourself or download pre-built

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 11:17:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 22:24:56 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 09:07:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Nicolas George states the obvious. All modern VoIP involves immense > > > resources to

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 22:24:56 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 09:07:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > Nicolas George states the obvious. All modern VoIP involves immense > > resources to deliver to users. > > A bit handwawy at that point: do you mean it's a

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 2020-06-07 at 16:14, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 03:56:17PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Yeah, but that's not building Jitsi; that's installing a prebuilt >> Jitsi, as shipped in those packages. >> >> Presumably, as those packages are for download from the authors'

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Russell L. Harris (12020-06-07): > So? It is an open-source alternative to Zoom, and it works. Of > course, if you are worried that the builders put in something > malicious or dangerous which is not in the open source repository, > then you can turn to Zoom, or build your own, or do without... >

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 03:56:17PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: Yeah, but that's not building Jitsi; that's installing a prebuilt Jitsi, as shipped in those packages. Presumably, as those packages are for download from the authors' Website, the authors are the ones who built them. Thus, this

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 09:07:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > Nicolas George states the obvious. All modern VoIP involves immense > resources to deliver to users. A bit handwawy at that point: do you mean it's a complex programming task or it needs network resources (bandwidth, low latency)?

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 21:19:08 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:57:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > > No. But I haven't tried, so... > > > > Well, me neither. But if I have not tried personally, I know people who > > have tried

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 2020-06-07 at 15:30, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:37:55PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > >> to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): >> >>> Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get >>> the source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. >> >> Do

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:37:55PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. Do you have evidence of somebody other than the authors themselves having

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 2020-06-07 at 15:34, Nicolas George wrote: > Darac Marjal (12020-06-07): > >> That's a rather ironic thing to say on a Debian mailing list :) > > To the best of my knowledge, Debian is not the author of most > packages, and yet build them from source themselves: that proves the > packages

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Darac Marjal (12020-06-07): > That's a rather ironic thing to say on a Debian mailing list :) To the best of my knowledge, Debian is not the author of most packages, and yet build them from source themselves: that proves the packages are actually Libre Software. Again to the best of my knowledge,

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 07/06/2020 20:21, Nicolas George wrote: > Seeds Notoneofmy (12020-06-07): >> Having said all that, the instructions to get BBB going seems solid. >> Perhaps someone here with a bit of knowhow will do this and then put a >> guide here? That would be very, very nice: >> >> Here's my

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Seeds Notoneofmy (12020-06-07): > Having said all that, the instructions to get BBB going seems solid. > Perhaps someone here with a bit of knowhow will do this and then put a > guide here? That would be very, very nice: > > Here's my contribution: > >

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:57:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > No. But I haven't tried, so... > > Well, me neither. But if I have not tried personally, I know people who > have tried and failed. > > If only the authors can build a software, it cannot be

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/7/20 11:53 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 20:37:55 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. Do you have evidence of somebody other

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/7/20 8:57 PM, Nicolas George wrote: We have to acknowledge: there are no Libre Software solutions for videoconferencing. Having said all that, the instructions to get BBB going seems solid. Perhaps someone here with a bit of knowhow will do this and then put a guide here? That would be

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/7/20 8:57 PM, Nicolas George wrote: We have to acknowledge: there are no Libre Software solutions for videoconferencing. Well, that's about wrap this thread up. Thanks. And I'm glad I did not proceed with the BBB promise. They've been around since 2007, but we cannot say of them, an

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/7/20 8:37 PM, Nicolas George wrote: Do you have evidence of somebody other than the authors themselves having managed to build it? This made me laugh, as I know where it's coming from; over promise, under deliver. Of course, it works; in theory. But in practice, well, that could take

Re: Zoom- best practice?

to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > No. But I haven't tried, so... Well, me neither. But if I have not tried personally, I know people who have tried and failed. If only the authors can build a software, it cannot be considered Libre Software, since part of the source code is missing. Open Source

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:37:55PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the > > source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. > > Do you have evidence of somebody other than the authors

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun 07 Jun 2020 at 20:37:55 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > > Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the > > source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. > > Do you have evidence of somebody other than the authors themselves >

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sunday, June 07, 2020 02:23:04 PM Seeds Notoneofmy wrote: > I just looked into this, having had an issue with Zoom recently. And it > seems it allows for installing the server locally? Am I understanding > this right, that one can have their own BBB server and provide access to > others to

Re: Zoom- best practice?

to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-07): > Yes, the server is free software. As is Jitsi's. So you can get the > source, build yourself or download pre-built thingies. Do you have evidence of somebody other than the authors themselves having managed to build it? Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:23:04PM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote: > On 6/5/20 8:57 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > >>Look into Big Blue Button and see if you can get your family to try > >>that instead. > > > >bigbluebutton is interesting. Thanks for the thought. > > > >Many family members use Zoom,

Re: Zoom- best practice?

There's also barnard for the linux command line users sometimes needs compiling using go. On Sun, 7 Jun 2020, Admin4 wrote: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:00:19 > From: Admin4 > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Zoom- best practice? > Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:0

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/20 8:57 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: Look into Big Blue Button and see if you can get your family to try that instead. bigbluebutton is interesting. Thanks for the thought. Many family members use Zoom, and like me, are past seven decades. Several of the younger set use Zoom also. I think

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/20 7:09 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I did not test with Chromium or Firefox or anything else. Just tried it two days ago on Firefox. It was a disaster. No sound. And screensharing did not work, at all.

Re: Zoom- best practice?

btw. if audio + chat WOULD be sufficient (it can handle a lot of participants) try mumble! :) https://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/ the Android App is called "plumble" https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.morlunk.mumbleclient/ * Client + Server is 100% Open Source * mumble server is

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/6/20 10:00 PM, Keith bainbridge wrote: On 6/6/20 3:32 am, john doe wrote: On 6/5/2020 6:28 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/6/20 3:32 am, john doe wrote: On 6/5/2020 6:28 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order of

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:49 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:06:02PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > > > [...] Btw BBB is also far away from a secure platform imho. > > Quite possible. Still, you can choose a server run by people you > trust. And the developers seem to be quite

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:06:02PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > [...] Btw BBB is also far away from a secure platform imho. Quite possible. Still, you can choose a server run by people you trust. And the developers seem to be quite responsive. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description:

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/6/20 12:13 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: > Peter Ehlert writes: > >> Family is using Zoom, International. >> They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. >> >> I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR >> >> I am concerned about security, duh! >> Looking for ideas. >> >> my current thoughts, in

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 12:13:28AM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: [...] > Hello, > > best practice is certainly using different software +100 [...] >(Big Blue Button > has been mentioned, Jitsi works OK for small groups, say ~10 > persons, too) [...] FWIW, it seems to

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/20 13:48, Brian wrote: > On Fri 05 Jun 2020 at 09:28:21 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > >> Family is using Zoom, International. >> They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. > > Seems straightforward. Just get on with it. > >> I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR >> >> I am

Re: Zoom- best practice?

>> Family is using Zoom, International. >> They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. > >Seems straightforward. Just get on with it. Don't. Zoom is not necessary to stay in touch with family. If you cannot get another video conferencing provider, use a phone. But do not prove to providers

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Peter Ehlert writes: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order of preference: 1. Use a separate Debian alongside my daily

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Fri 05 Jun 2020 at 09:28:21 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > Family is using Zoom, International. > They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. Seems straightforward. Just get on with it. > I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR > > I am concerned about security, duh! Really? Just get

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/20 9:56 AM, der.hans wrote: Am 05. Jun, 2020 schwätzte Peter Ehlert so: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/20 9:47 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:45 AM Peter Ehlert > wrote: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:28:21 -0700 Peter Ehlert wrote: > Family is using Zoom, International. > They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. Zoom also has a native client. Consider using a virtual machine. You will need to get sound to and from the VM, which I don't believe works on qemu. --

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On 6/5/2020 6:28 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order of preference: 1. Use a separate Debian

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 04:56:00PM +, der.hans wrote: > Does zoom work just in the browser without installing software? > > I have to use it in a couple places for work. In my experience, it demands > installing software on both debian and Ubuntu. zoom does provide a package > with

Re: Zoom- best practice?

Am 05. Jun, 2020 schwätzte Peter Ehlert so: Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order of preference: 1. Use a separate

Re: Zoom- best practice?

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:45 AM Peter Ehlert wrote: > Family is using Zoom, International. > They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. > > I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR > > I am concerned about security, duh! > Looking for ideas. > Look into Big Blue Button and see if you can

Zoom- best practice?

Family is using Zoom, International. They will use Zoom, and I need to participate. I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR I am concerned about security, duh! Looking for ideas. my current thoughts, in order of preference: 1. Use a separate Debian alongside my daily driver, and use Only